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Interactive Campaigning ala Wiki

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the let-the-edit-wars-begin dept.

The Internet 172

brettlg writes to tell us LinuxInsider is reporting that Utah Democratic hopeful, Peter Ashdown, is hoping to leverage his knowledge of the internet and small business resourcefulness to take down the incumbent Senator Orrin Hatch next year. From the article: "Peter Ashdown is the founder of Xmission, Utah's oldest Internet service provider (ISP). His Web site includes a blog and a monthly live chat session. But Ashdown's site takes public participation on his campaign Web site one step further -- opening his platform to all. The site is based on the "Wiki" open-source model made famous by Wikipedia."

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Campaign Promise (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391276)

My campaign Promise: A deep dicking for everyone!!! Mmmmmmmhmmmmmmm!!!!

Political Wisdom ? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391286)

Is wiki such a good idea in politics where partisanship is everywhere.

Re:Political Wisdom ? (0, Redundant)

Darkman, Walkin Dude (707389) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391389)

This isn't so much politics as it is the clash between the dark side of the force, and the good guys, with Sen Orrin Hatch (owns a good deal of SCO stock) as vader, and Maddox [xmission.org] under obi wan ashdown. Can pirates use lightsabers?

Turkey moderators (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391593)

Parent is referring to the summary, Peter Ashdown is the founder of Xmission, Utah's oldest Internet service provider (ISP) also host to the infamous Maddox... How is that redundant?

Re:Political Wisdom ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391393)

Yes, the last edit wins. Go!
 
We should implement something similar to keep the lawyers busy...

Re:Well... (2, Funny)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391887)

I just hit up his wiki at:

http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Pa ge [peteashdown.org]

And under the main article it clearly states:

"I AM PETER OF GAYTORIA HEAR MY ROAR"

So I think partisan politics is the least of his worries with an open wiki. Heck... Even encyclopediadramatica isn't an open wiki.

Re:Well... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392594)

Looks like someone who is currently at 161.184.178.6 [161.184.178.6] (come on if enough people 'ping' him...), keeps thinking that it's a funny joke, or perhaps this Peter lives in Gaytoria, Canada.

Re:Political Wisdom ? (1)

anaesthetica (596507) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391919)

It is if you want your platform to be periodically replaced by a large photo of a penis.

Re:Political Wisdom ? (1)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391985)

It's a great idea. The site can just downright lie about the opponent and the challenger can just deny any responsibility since they didn't put those lies there to begin with (at least not in any provable way).

f[ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391289)

fp

Off-topic: Leverage. (2, Insightful)

cablepokerface (718716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391301)

Peter Ashdown, is hoping to leverage his knowledge of the internet

seriously, is it so hard to just 'leverage' the word 'use' instead. I run into leverage freakin' everywhere whenever something has to sound important.

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391378)

Close second- Utilize. As in "We need to utilize our skills..."

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391476)

At least utilize is a verb. Leverage seems to have been "verbed". Personally, I find it a very ugly word to use in this context, but marketting drivel types seem to love it.

LOL (1)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391463)

I couldn't agree more!

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (3, Insightful)

mokiejovis (540519) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391471)

Honestly, though, there is a difference in meaning. While it is still sort of marketing-speak, he's not just looking to "use" his knowledge of the internet, as everybody running for office "uses" the internet. He is specifically trying to "leverage" it, insofar as he is trying to "use [the internet] to gain advantage." [wiktionary.org]

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391690)

I'm not happy with that definition either. Everybody who "uses" something does it to "gain advantage." Instead, recall that leverage in physics refers to the effect of multiplying force by use of lever arms (was it Aristotle who said he could lift the Earth given a pivot and long enough lever?) Hence, the word conveys an intention of obtaining a unusually large effect from a relatively small, but possibly clever, action.

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (1)

Hoegje (943198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392253)

I think it was Archimedes who said that about lifting the Earth. But would it be possible at all ? Maybe this article http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-30-2004-57259.a sp [buzzle.com] answers that question.

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (1)

LeonGeeste (917243) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391783)

Oh. Thanks for the clarification. If the rest of us had heard he was just going ot "use" the internet, we would have -- mistakenly -- assumed he was going to use it, but not in a way intended to help or hurt himself. Since it said "leverage", however, now we know he actually wants to win, and doesn't just intend to dick around with a Wiki.

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391508)

Not as bad as sports broadcasting where the word "differential" is constantly used in place of "difference." All in the name of "sounding smart" I'd imagine. They're "leveraging" the wrong word! :-)

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (2, Funny)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392017)

Using big words like "leverage" allows one to leverage their $40,000 degree in Journalism.

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (1)

Jackmn (895532) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392214)

Leverage implies 'use to his advantage'.

Re:Off-topic: Leverage. (1)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392326)

Personally, I think of leverage of having a slightly different meaning than "use" - I think of "shoehorn". I imagine a lever being used to push skill/tool X into position to solve problem Y, regardless of the applicability of it to the problem. When a company says "we're going to leverage our partner company C's product to solve our problem" I read "we're going to shoehorn their product into our project for political reasons".

Likewise, here, the guy's knowledge of Wiki is being "leveraged".

Article seems to be light on details. (1)

zegebbers (751020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391305)

And only seems to contain one paragraph mentioning that there will be a wiki. Is there info on editing and the like?

Poor guy. (3, Insightful)

Yirimyah (884895) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391306)

He's gonna get flamed worse than Stormfront. Edit wars, anyone?

Re:Poor guy. (0)

duplo (253071) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391703)

my first viewing of the main page was "I AM PETER FOUNDER OF PETERLAND MY FAMOUS GAY BAR". I dont think this will work in politics for some reason...

Stormfront (1)

waxwing (917397) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392592)

Actually, Stormfront's moderators keep it mostly unsinged.

Exposing himself to trouble (4, Interesting)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391307)

The problem with this idea is it's just a magnet for people to tamper with his page - Wiki had to block edits of Bush and Kerry during the 2004 election. There isn't the mechanisms to revert changes and viewers can get a bad impression. Just now, for instance, I noticed that somebody defaced his website by posting a picture of a really geeky-looking white guy.

This just in. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391387)

kamapuaa [slashdot.org] reports [slashdot.org] that Peter Ashdown [peteashdown.org] has been exposing himself.

-OH

Re:Exposing himself to trouble (1)

All Your Name Are Be (931301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391613)

Just out of curriosity, why is this Interesting? Maybe 'Funny' (that's actually Pete Ashdown... He's the geeky-looking white guy), but I don't think it brings up anything Interesting.

Re:Exposing himself to trouble (1)

kamapuaa (555446) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391764)

There's no reason. Just be one of the first people to post something semi-relevant and you get an automatic +5 ranking.

Re:Exposing himself to trouble (1)

chrisbeach (887853) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391781)

kamapuaa: There isn't the mechanisms to revert changes

This is a standard MediaWiki and as such there is a mechanism to revert changes. Simply click the "History" tab, click the date of the most recent correct version, and then click "Edit." The following warning will be shown: "WARNING: You are editing an out-of-date revision of this page. If you save it, any changes made since this revision will be lost."

Click save and you've reverted the changes since the historic version.

Note that your reversion joins the edit history and may itself be reverted by others.

Great way to Hatch a campaign (4, Insightful)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391316)

Or in Pete's office, they say 'launch' a campaign.

Good luck Pete, nobody in their right mind wants the incumbent Senator Orrin Hatch who once advocated putting malware on people's computers in order to stop them from downloading songs.
See: http://www.computerworld.com/securitytopics/securi ty/cybercrime/story/0,10801,82317,00.html [computerworld.com]

Uphill battle (-1, Flamebait)

amightywind (691887) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391648)

Utah is the reddest of red states. Pete Ashdown is facing an uphill battle selling his party's platform of secular socialism, white flag diplomacy, and state sponsored infanticide to the Mormons.

Re:Uphill battle (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392025)

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick! Could you possibly fit any MORE bullshit emotional loading into one god damn sentence?

Re:Uphill battle (1)

amightywind (691887) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392087)

That was the idea! Better the a shot of espresso in the morning? I figured that a backhanded partisan story should be exposed with a blatant, hyper-opposing response.

Re:Great way to Hatch a campaign (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391652)

Well I guess that is an indication of how big a moron he is, how little he understands technology, and hopefully how little he understands how he is being fought via the internet.


Or not.

nobody in their right mind? (1)

shrubya (570356) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391773)

Actually, the folks of Utah have the "rightest" (aka Reddest) minds in America. Their last Democratic Senator was Ted Moss, defeated by Orrin Hatch in 1976, and the only reason they have one Democrat (out of 3) in the House is that Rep. Matheson proudly proclaims he's "more independent than [his party] may like".

And party affiliation aside, ranking incumbents with important chairmanships do not lose reelection. Too much pork is at stake. Wiki is a cute gimmick to drum up some buzz, but in the end he'll go down in flames just like the famously Internet-based campaign of Howard Dean.

Re:nobody in their right mind? (2, Informative)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392198)

I too predict doom, but Tom Daschle would argue with you about ranking incumbents with important chairmanships.

Re:Great way to Hatch a campaign (2, Funny)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391953)

Senator Orrin Hatch who once advocated putting malware on people's computers in order to stop them from downloading songs.

I take it once he retires he'll be joining Sony?

Re:Great way to Hatch a campaign (2, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392061)

I take it once he retires he'll be joining Sony?

Aww, that's cute. aussie_a doesn't think he's already on their payroll. ;)

Re:Great way to Hatch a campaign (2, Interesting)

TheSpoom (715771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392128)

At first (and subsequent so far) glance, this guy appears to be awesome. He founded Xmission, which was the host of Maddox [xmission.com] , an author who I feel would have been censored by other ISPs a long time ago. His policies also appear to be sane, and he seems to genuinely want input from the public (the Wiki goes a long way in my eyes). I would vote for him if I was in his district.

Orrin Hatch (5, Informative)

Tomji (142759) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391317)

He is the guy behind a lot of the DRM bills like DMCA, TPM enforcment, extending copyrights etc.

I hope he gets choped.

Re:Orrin Hatch (1)

IndigoZenith (791590) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391342)

Not according to his site. Do you have any links to provide back up for this? Not flamming just curious.

Re:Orrin Hatch (1)

IndigoZenith (791590) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391359)

Ignore my last last post, I didnt realize you were talking about Orrin Hatch, good call, he does need to get the axe :)

Re:Orrin Hatch (1)

omeg (907329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391375)

He, who? Peter Ashdown or Orrin Hatch?

Re:Orrin Hatch (1)

omeg (907329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391417)

Forget my last post as well. Thank goodness I'm somehow not the only one to make this mistake. :)

Re:Orrin Hatch (-1, Offtopic)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391848)

I just wanted...

Re:Orrin Hatch (0, Offtopic)

mooingyak (720677) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391863)

... to post two comments too.

Great Ideas, over qualified though... (5, Insightful)

IndigoZenith (791590) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391324)

"Any legitimate purchaser of media or technology should be able to use their property as they see fit without government intervention. Technology progresses rapidly and we need technologically savvy lawmakers who can lead us in sound policy making. Currently, there are legislators who repeatedly attempt to pass laws reigning in the Internet and other technologies. They do this at the beck and call of multibillion dollar industries by expanding the definition of copyright. Industry which refuses to adapt to technology should not be protected by making that technology illegal. Smaller music and film companies use the Internet to their benefit and should not be penalized by the behemoths' refusal of progress. Lawmakers tilting the playing field do not encourage small business and home innovators to take risks, and thus hold back our economy." from http://vote.peteashdown.org/bio/ [peteashdown.org]

He gets my Vote... if I lived in Utah, also one of his previous jobs was a Computer Tech, which makes him over qualified for Politics... but oh well :)

Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (2, Funny)

darjen (879890) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391782)

one of his previous jobs was a Computer Tech, which makes him over qualified for Politics

I'd say that holding just about any job would make one overqualified to be a politician, including most forms of unskilled labor. Tells you how much I respect most politicians, hehe.

Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (0, Troll)

killjoe (766577) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392390)

But you don't live in Utah. People who do live in Utah don't care about this stuff. All they know is that if they elect a democrat the homosexuals will be marrying all over the place and their family values will be eroded and the UN will control the US and their kids will not be able to pray in school.

Those are only the issues they really care about. And let's be honest here, if Jesus ran as a democrat (or a demoncrat as they are called over there) and satan ran as a republican in Utah satan would win in a landslide. It's just in their makeup for utans to vote for a democrat no matter who is running. Hell they are gearing up to defeat hillary (or hitlery as they refer to her down there)

You think I am kidding but I am not. Visit Utah one day and you will see.

Re:Great Ideas, over qualified though... (1)

boingo82 (932244) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392510)

But you don't live in Utah. People who do live in Utah don't care about this stuff. All they know is that if they elect a democrat the homosexuals will be marrying all over the place and their family values will be eroded and the UN will control the US and their kids will not be able to pray in school.

Hey WAIT a minute...Just because we're the only state who still overwhelmingly supports President Bush..
OK, darn. Well, at least I work at a newspaper that according to our readers is WAY too liberal (*read=moderate) and everyone in my particular department is atheist/agnostic. There's sanity at work, if not in the general populace.
As for the UN bit - a small town not 30 miles from where I live in UT seceded from the UN a year or two ago. No, really.

12 miners found alive! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391334)

Oh, wrong. 12 miners found dead. Sorry 'bout that. Why do I feel windows is somehow involved ?

That's the problem with politicians... (1, Funny)

Phariom (941580) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391337)

...they never learn from history [penny-arcade.com] .

Credits? (1, Insightful)

ceeam (39911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391338)

I like Wikipedia but I thought Wiki were made famous by c2.com [c2.com] .

Re:Credits? (1)

Elvis Parsley (939954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391477)

Depends on your context. Most people outside of the geek world had never heard of wiki before the recent wikipedia scandal. And by now, I imagine, most people outside of the geek world have forgotten it again.

Re:Credits? (2, Insightful)

Big Nothing (229456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391489)

"I like Wikipedia but I thought Wiki were made famous by c2.com."

I'd have to respectfully disagree. Although c2.com existed prior to Wikipedia and is a great place for people to get started with wiki, I'd certainly say that Wikipedia made the technique famous - at least outside the geek community.

Re:Credits? (2, Insightful)

Eivind Eklund (5161) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391515)

Invented, yes, made famous, no, not really. Wikipedia is what's made it famous.

Eivind.

Now taking bets..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391348)

....on how long before the notorious Wikipedia vandals reduce that site to smoldering ruins.

Tin-foil hat? Hatch helping the scox scam? (2, Interesting)

walterbyrd (182728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391367)

Remember, msft is the major player in the scox-scam. Msft is financing the entire thing. And remember that msft tried to keep that secret.

Frankly, when considering it's msft, I wonder if it's possible to be paranoid. Think of all the bizare and brazenly illegal activities that msft can been caught doing: fake grass campaigns - including letters from dead people, faked video evidence in DOJ trial, the entire ODF fiasco in MA. . .

That said, remember that Hatch's kid works for scox. Also remember that Hatch is on the judicial commitee, which means that Hatch has significant say-so over the careers of the federal judges in Utah.

Anybody familiar with the scox-scam knows that these judges have been insanely pro-scox from the start. The fact that obvious farce is still going strong after nearly three years speaks volumes. The trials don't even start for another 1.5 years.

Re:Tin-foil hat? Hatch helping the scox scam? (1)

Darkman, Walkin Dude (707389) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391406)

The fact that obvious farce is still going strong after nearly three years speaks volumes.

Yes, the farce is strong in that one... [slashdot.org]

Interesting idea (2, Insightful)

codeTurtle (942468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391380)

.. but this is definitely going to end up counteracting any positive coverage he gains from the site. At best, he ends up with a lot of negative posts from people who support his rivals. At worst, he ends up drowning in noise.

Also - bandwagon, jumping on?

Darn (1)

wetfeetl33t (935949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391381)

I used to think wikis were pretty neat.
Leave it to a politician to ruin a good idea.

Green Party of Canada (1)

SubtleNuance (184325) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391396)

The Green Party of Canada [greenparty.ca] has been using a Wiki to write its Living Platform.

Have a look at the Living Platform here [greenparty.ca] .

From the website; The Living Platform is a collection of pages that grows and evolves through membership cooperative participation - another example of the Green Party's comitment to open deliberation and community driven politics.

wiki controls (2, Informative)

curteck (910935) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391397)

Public debate doesn't belong in a wiki. That's what message boards are for. The wiki is for content and conclusions made from the end result of flame wars or debates. Controls need to be implemented so the content is of good quality (like a rating system). Its the same reason Wikipedia is not considered a legitimate source of info.

Re:wiki controls (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391549)

"Its the same reason Wikipedia is not considered a legitimate source of info."

Why is it not a legitimate source, the probelm of errors is that people absolute authority from just one source. If the internet is not for transforming politics what use is it?

Re:wiki controls (1)

Eivind Eklund (5161) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391889)

Public debate doesn't belong in a wiki. That's what message boards are for. The wiki is for content and conclusions made from the end result of flame wars or debates. Controls need to be implemented so the content is of good quality (like a rating system). Its the same reason Wikipedia is not considered a legitimate source of info.

Actually, public debate among technicans have worked way better in the c2.com wiki than in any public "message" I've seen. It's been a brilliant way to distill wisdom and avoid undue repetition.

Eivind.

CREEP (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391401)

Did this man read All The President's Men? Does he know what CREEP "ratfucking" types will do to his precious Wiki once they find out? He'd better pray his user base is high enough to root out sustained vandalism.

Re:CREEP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391918)

Actually, that will probably work out to his favour. Whether or not it's true, if his wiki gets vandalized at all then his opponents make a wonderful scapegoat.

Maddox (0)

drivinghighway61 (812488) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391410)

His ISP also hosts Maddox [xmission.com] . I'd vote for him.

Re:Maddox (1)

mofomojo (810520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391466)

Yeah, judging by his platform, I'm sure Maddox would vote for him as well.

He's running independently, right?

Ridiculous to think he'll win just because of tech (2, Insightful)

putko (753330) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391420)

Hatch has advantages, one of which is his seniority. The fact that he has been in office so long means that he can bring home more bacon. The new guy, were he to win, wouldn't be able to bring home so much bacon.

Anyone who is getting bacon from Hatch would tend to not want the new guy, figuring that he'd be losing out.

The tech is a minor point -- the bacon hits people in the pocketbook.

"Bacon" here is political slang for "benefits that your politician brings to his community via the political process."

Re:Ridiculous to think he'll win just because of t (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391794)

Man, you sure love your bacon.

Re:Ridiculous to think he'll win just because of t (1)

Comboman (895500) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392264)

Yeah, tech didn't help Al Gore and he INVENTED the freakin' internet. http://www.sethf.com/gore/ [sethf.com]

Re:Ridiculous to think he'll win just because of t (2, Informative)

Stradenko (160417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392648)

Seniority...funny.

Orrin Hatch's original campaign slogan (the one that got him elected) was "What do you call a senator who's been in office for over 18 years? ... You call him home!"

Ironic now that nobody in Utah remembers it (well, all of his opponents remember it...)

Orrin Hatch (3, Informative)

jacoplane (78110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391421)

Ahh Orrin Hatch, who previously brought us gems like the Induce Act [wikipedia.org] . I hope people will vote accross partisan lines in this election and get rid of clueless Senators like Hatch. Next up, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner's Digital Transition Content Security Act [wikipedia.org] . Hold your politicians accountable!

Re:Orrin Hatch (1)

b4k3d b34nz (900066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391788)

I decided to read a little bit about the Induce Act so that I could enlighten others who didn't know what it is

Ok, so the Induce act basically says that creating software (and other "devices") that encourages people to break copyright laws is illegal. For example, the Grokster case. Rather than suing the people that actually downloaded the pirated music and videos, MGM decided to sue the creators of Grokster, the software that allowed people to pass around pirated music, etc.

This is, in a sense, an intelligent idea. It's smart to cut a problem off as close to the source as possible. However, the other side to this coin is that the people who created Grokster didn't actually do any of the pirating.

I equate this method with enablers--people who help their husband or wife get fat by always making sure an overabundance of junk food is around. Yeah, the enabler may have contributed, but it's still the enablee's decision to actually eat the food.

More unfortunately, the Induce Act covers a very broad area of law, which means that some tool's going to try to use it down the road in a way it was never intended.

Well, that's the extent of my research. Enjoy.

Good example of "Open Politics" (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391436)

From Wikipedia: [wikipedia.org] , licensed under GNU FDL [wikipedia.org] :

The open politics combines traditions of the free software and open content movements with postmoderism, and promotes a decision making method claimed to be a more open, less antagonistic, and more capable of determining what is in the public interest with respect to public policy issues.

Criteria
  • anyone can participate
  • all participants are equals
  • all actions are transparent
  • all contributions are recorded and preserved
  • all deliberation is structured
  • all content is re/organized by participants on an ongoing basis.
  • partisan behavior is limited by the format and community standards.
Underlying preferences
  • decentralization of authority: giving the widest and most potent franchise to citizens is thought to minimize what economists call the principal-agent problem, or the tendency for managers to abuse authority.
  • centralization of information: the use of information technology to facilitate communication challenges is key to the practicality of the process.
  • equality of opportunity: anyone can participate in deliberation, with the expectation that people themselves select to participate on issues in which they have the greatest stake, expertise or both. Open politics treats the expert and the citizen as equals, implying that the experts are obliged to convince the citizens directly, rather than using representatives as intermediaries/brokers of policy. This use of peer review is emphasized as the best method to determine what is true or good (with the understanding that this should change over time).
  • encouraging diversity of thought, such that multiple positions and arguments are created, refined and compared; usually the more the better, provided they are succinct.
Implementation

These criteria are generally satisfied by a wiki or some other collaborative workspace in which multiple points of view are conveyed and reviewable in "living documents" that reflect, on an ongoing basis, what the community thinks.

History

Open Politics grew from earlier work in online deliberation and deliberative democracy, which in turn drew on research in issue-based argument and early hypertext and Computer Supported Cooperative Work research of the early 1980s.

The 2003-04 Deanspace project is widely considered to be the first serious attempt at Open Politics. It grew into Civicspace and was largely relying on blog and meetup technologies to build some support behind Democratic Party dark horse Howard Dean. It was largely an emergent, unplanned effort. In fact, meetup.com simply applied its ordinary stupid algorithm to a number of members who had listed "Howard Dean" (a mere text string to that algorithm) in their list of interests. It obediently buzz-clicked out a scheduled time for a live "meetup", and open politics history began, with no intelligence being directly involved at all (which some find ironic, and others, fitting).

The 2004-05 Green Party of Canada Living Platform was a much more planned and designed effort at Open Politics. As it prepared itself for an electoral breakthrough in the 2004 federal election, the Green Party of Canada began to compile citizen, member and expert opinions in preparation of its platform. During the election, it gathered input even from Internet trolls including supporters of other parties, with no major problems: anonymity was respected and comments remained intact if they were within the terms of use at all. Despite, or perhaps because of, its early success, it was derailed by the party's leader, when he discovered that it was a threat to his status as a party boss. The Living Platform split off as another service entirely out of GPC control and eventually evolved into openpolitics.ca [slashdot.org] and a service to promote wiki usage among citizens and political groups. Today it is largely at openpolitics.ca that the theory of Open Politics is being debated. Their definition of the term itself [openpolitics.ca] is "a methodology to achieve good government" but of course any political party claims to have such a method or system.

Today the dkosopedia.com project to document all Guantanamo Bay detainees is probably the most notable and worthy Open Politics project. It is supported by the ACLU and former President of the United States Jimmy Carter.

Due to its pioneering of adversarial process for dispute resolution regarding articles, and its vast content of interest in political matters, Wikipedia can be considered an Open Politics project, though advocates of the Wikipedia community often like to deny that any factions or bona fide political disputes actually exist about its content.

The Sourcewatch project also reasonable qualifies as an Open Politics effort.

Why choose a wiki..? (1)

mofomojo (810520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391486)

Many people say that wikis aren't good for general discussion. This isn't what wikis are about. These wikis are about getting a general idea of the discussion and have it filtered through into one fine print page that everyone has agreed on, or at least most people have agreed on.

It's about reaching a conclusion among his voters, which is very important in developing both support and an idea of what the people want.

In this goal, he will be succesful.

Re:Why choose a wiki..? (1)

kenh (9056) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391669)

I predict he will never hit a "conclusion".

This struck me as a good idea at first, then I went to his web page, and the first thing that leaped out at me was his graphic with the $20 bill and the words "what you can do right now"... I think he wants to run a Howard Dean-style campaign (grass-roots, internet "cash machine" generating tremendous revenue in $10 or $20 increments), and for novelty he wants to have a Wiki.

The Wiki will be the realization of that oft-quoted maxim: "Given an infinite number of monkeys with typewriters, and an infinite amout of time, they could recreate the entire works of William Shakespeare" - but instead of "the entire works of William Shakespeare" he will have a platform, and instead of "monkeys with typewriters" he will have "monkeys with internet connections".

How will he limit edits/updates to people inside his state? That barrier alone makes this a stunt more than a sincere effort, in my opinion.

Say what you like about Orrin Hatch, but he has some skin in the game - he has a vested interest in protecting his music http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-ur l/index=music&field-keywords=orrin%252520hatch&sea rch-type=ss&bq=1&store-name=music/ref=xs_ap_l_xgl1 5/002-5700152-7677636 [amazon.com]

Interactive RPG'ing (0)

drkich (305460) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391639)

I read the title and though immediately of D&D, Cthulhu, etc... through Wiki. Where you could have the public modify the game as it goes on.

Much to my dissapointment, it was a political campaign...

Interesting (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391649)

They really throw the word "famous" around nowadays.

I mean, the Wikipedia concept isn't even completely saturated among the geek community, much less the other 90% of the world (Grandma Cornfarmer, of Podunk Kansas comes to mind). That's like saying Fark/Slashdot/4Chan are "famous," even when they're all taking a slice from the same pie and have no measurable "more famousness" than each other.

This whole wikipedia craze in the geek news sites reminds me so much of the collective pants-wetting conventional media has over hurricaines lately. "This just in ladies and gentlemen, we hate to break into the report of an asteroid on a collision course with earth, but apparently the founder of Internet Site Wikipedia is personally asking visitors for funding! We go live now to this story."

Pete Ashdown isn't the guy (2, Interesting)

McBeth (1724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391668)

I've met and talked to Orrin Hatch many times, and his daughter-in-law is a good friend, but he needs to go down. He has this strange knack for making the wrong first decision every time. Sometimes someone points it out to him, and he back-pedals (stem-cell research); but by and large, he has consistently made this country a worse place to live in.

That said, Pete Ashdown isn't the man to do it. See, I've met him on several occasions, and while he is a techie and may get those questions right, he is not a people person. At all. Much like Orrin, he himself is first on the priority list. XMission is a wonderful ISP, and far and away the best available in Utah (I wish someone as good as them existed in Upstate New York), and I thank Pete for that. Stick to tech.

Re:Pete Ashdown isn't the guy (1)

EQ (28372) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391812)

Interesting. I've met a couple of other sentaors, as well as several sentorial candidates. With one exception (Ben "Nighthorse" Campbell of Colorado, who is now retired), regardless of party affiliation or political bent, they *ALL* struck me as the type that "put themselves first on their priority list", i.e. they were all about themselves and really didnt seem to care all that much about people -- except where it could get them elected or re-elected; there they "fake" concern for "the people" fairly well.

Its a shame Mr Ashdown, although a techie-type, seemingly fits the same mold. I guess it has to do with the money & ambition that it takes to campaign at that level (even in Utah), and the (defective) driven personality types that such "jobs" attract. For the end-state of such ambitions, look no further than Robert Bryd and Trent Lott (or Ted Kennedy who has become a walking self-caricature).

Re:Pete Ashdown isn't the guy (1)

deaddrunk (443038) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391944)

Much like Orrin, he himself is first on the priority list.

Sounds like all politicians and a very large proportion of human beings to me.

How could Pete do any worse?? (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392181)

Your logic is flawed, if you truly believe in 'may the best man win' then Pete should be your man. Don't think that just because he is a techie, he can't run things!

I can ruin him in Two Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391676)

alt.rave

Wish I could vote for him... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391719)

Orin Hatch has would seem to be in the pockets of the lobbyists and typically supports repressive legislation. He needs to be replaced.

Direct link to the campaign wiki (1)

chrisbeach (887853) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391738)

This link to the actual wiki was omitted from the original post:

http://vote.peteashdown.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Pa ge [peteashdown.org]

For the record I think the wiki is a great idea. It's the next evolutionary step from blogging, and fosters a more open, transparent environment for discussion

anyone else see the defamed site... (0, Offtopic)

zcrackbaby (782611) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391741)

I just happend to click on that guys Wiki right when someone changed his main page... print screen...see it here... http://static.flickr.com/36/82038003_b4490f0f66_o. jpg [flickr.com]

There's no chance this can fail! (2, Interesting)

anaesthetica (596507) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391933)

Newcomer Bets 'Wiki' Open-Source Movement Can Help Win Senate Election

Yes, just like the open source movement has taken down Microsoft on the desktop.

In Hatch's defense (4, Informative)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391967)

(I'm sure to get modded a troll or something, but...) I have my share of dislike for Hatch too -- he led the charge to get Clinton impeached, while angrily dismissing all complaints about the ludicrious amounts of money being spent by the independent counsel (over $50 million by the end). He's the archtypical right-wing nutjob, BUT - read And the Band Played On [wikipedia.org] . Hatch was personally responsible for getting the Senate to approve most of the AIDS funding during the early years of AIDS, when the Reagan administration was adamantly refusing to spend anything on AIDS (the administration claimed it was spending "$100 million for AIDS related research." But since even the common flu can kill you when you have AIDS, they were counting basically everything they were spending on any disease. In reality, the only agency doing any research on AIDS was the CDC - something they were not set up for.) Anyway, as the book says, Hatch was one of the few right-wingers who wasn't willing to play politics with health-related issues. So he (an extreme-right winger) was at the forefront of getting money for AIDS research at a time when it was primarily a "gay disease".

If he runs his campaign like he runs his business (2, Interesting)

cschmidt (89733) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392034)

XMission is so in-touch with its customers it's unbelievable. This is what you get for free with a normal DSL account ($19/mo):

  • Static IP address
  • SSH access to server space
  • 3 email accounts
  • 100GB/mo bandwidth limit
  • No port lock-downs (i.e. SMTP is open but they run a bot to check for open relays)
  • Commitment to open-source (openssh, horde, exim, etc.)
  • Downloads from XMission's mirror site [xmission.com] don't count against bandwidth limit

I typically vote Republican and have voted for Hatch in the past but I feel that Pete's attention to his customers (through XMission) will translate to his constituents. I will definitely vote for him this fall.

Idiotic Issues (5, Insightful)

TheSync (5291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392157)

At Pete Ashdown's site [peteashdown.org] page on economic issues, he claims "The United States of America has historically been an economic superpower and an innovator of technology. We harnessed electricity, invented the light-bulb and the television, but what have we produced lately?"

Let's see: The iPod, the SonicCare toothbrush, the Tivo, the E-Z pass, and there are these little things called CPUs produced by Intel and AMD.

U.S. resident inventors received 85,238 out of 165,485 U.S. patents in fiscal year 2005, which isn't too bad for a country that has only 6% of global population.

He then goes on to add: "Meanwhile the international community is closing in on energy production through fusion, and guess where the first operating plant is being built -- not in the U.S.A." Despite the fact that the plant in question, ITER, is a multinational project with partial American funding and scientific support! Moreover, ITER is not going to be an "operating plant," it will be a "fusion experiment" and is in no way a real prototype of a fusion plant.

Furthermore, he states "The Chinese are gearing up to clean our clock economically with no oil dependence at all." Based on empirical evidence, Chinese economic growth is compatible with US economic growth. Moreover, while the Chinese are beginning to investigate nuclear fission, and they have plans to build huge numbers of coal-burning electic power plants, they have no plans to eradicate their oil usage.

Mr. Ashdown appears to be AN ECONOMIC IDIOT.

Where is that Wiki...

Unfortuantely, the dude has no chance (1)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392175)

Everyone on slashdot likes to hate on Orrin Hatch because of his draconian record on copyright enforcement.

  However, as a biologist, I'd say that the worst legislation he has pushed, by *far*, was the legislation that exempted natural remedies from the effectiveness and SAFETY requirements applied to modern medicine. People DIED.

  Unfortunately, his challenger hasn't a snowball's chance in hell. This is a Democrat, running in *Utah*. The beloved leader carried that state by something like 70-30.

  So, the Democrats are perfectly happy to run some geeky little guy who'll embarass himself by letting people edit (deface) his campaign webpage.

Re:Unfortuantely, the dude has no chance (1)

2obvious4u (871996) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392568)

"some geeky little guy who'll embarass himself by letting people edit (deface) his campaign webpage" Way to click the links and actually go to his website. The way he has the "wiki" set up is more like a forum than a wiki. He doesn't let people actually edit his platform only the discussion platform. Go ahead and deface it all you want, its just like posting crap on a message board. His platform is posted on the main page and is static HTML, the discussion platform is the only wiki and he clearly states that they are not his ideas but a place to discuss what should be his ideas. That and unlike wikipedia which has millions of articles he only has a few hundred which are monitored by himself and his staff (almost like forum moderators). This is about the third post that I can tell just read the /. summary and then decided to post their oppinion on wiki. Actually go to the site and see it in context, its a great idea. Anyway, please read the content along with the blurb before you post, it just makes you look ignorant if you don't.

He ONLY represents UTAH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392431)

He is running for Senate, not the House of Representatives.

Why can't you spell it right ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392474)

ala != à la

All Very Fun... (2, Insightful)

ml10422 (448562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392640)

But if he wants a real shot at getting elected, he had better have a plan to get his face seen on TV, get endorsements, get on the radio, put up yard signs, flood the voters with mailers, get volunteers working the precincts door to door, and all the other old-fashioned tactics.
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