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The Odds at Macworld

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the just-ship-me-review-units-please dept.

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Moby Cock writes "Jason O'Grady has posted the odds on what is to be announced at the Macworld Expo beginning next week. Coming in at 100:1 is OS X 10.5 and even money on a new and sexy Intel Mac Minis and iBooks. Gentlemen, start your credit cards."

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X86 Powerbooks (1)

rollonet (882269) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391751)

I'm hoping X86 Powerbooks. But we'll have to wait and see I guess. Intel VIIV looks promising.

Re:X86 Powerbooks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391864)

What a fucking imbecile.

"Intel VIIV looks promising."

It is so fucking sad that the only people Apple has left supporting them are garbage like you.

The odds? (4, Funny)

sczimme (603413) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391754)


If this guy [zdnet.com] is there, I would say the "odds" are well represented.

Re:The odds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391834)

Looks like Steve Jobs trying to get into an iChat conference with 'Bertrand' :D

"start you credit cards" (2, Funny)

Pope (17780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391757)

OK, pal, sure.

I predict no 10.5, no Intel machines releases, nothing major. Just a bumped Mini.

Re:"start you credit cards" (2, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391983)

considering there is a story just today with a quote by Jobs saying there would be some major releases. I would think your wrong.

Re:"start you credit cards" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392089)

It is pointless to use logic around a reality distortion field.

Spell & Grammar check please (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391760)

Nice to see slashdot spell check articles. The pinnacle of IT journalism continues.

First Post Yipee! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391761)

1:1 good times ahead!

Nah.... (4, Funny)

millerjl (126046) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391770)

Apple will announce the release of a 3 button mouse after they realized what a hit they had with their 2 button model...

iLife '06 comes in at 10:1 (5, Interesting)

carou (88501) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391778)

Personally I'd have said this was a dead certain - all the previous versions have come in at MacWorld with an annual release cycle. Surely the only question is what new features will be in it?

  • Front Row?
  • New program providing PVR functionality?
  • Blogging tool? - actually no, that should go in .Mac instead.
  • Backup moved from .Mac to iLife?
  • Finance program or tax calculator?

Re:iLife '06 comes in at 10:1 (2, Insightful)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391945)

At 50:1 for an x86 PB I'd put $30-$40 on one and that way I could afford one to buy one straightaway. I don't think those odds are realistic. With iLife 06 being good value at 10:1 a $5 bet would more than pay for the PB bet even if there weren't PBs.

Price increases for iTunes (5, Insightful)

hsmith (818216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391779)

I have no problem paying $.99 for a song, but i will pay no more. This happens and I will be looking other places for my music for my iPod. They have to pay none of the traditional distribution costs of CD's, so they shouldn't even be the price they are now. you want to be greedy, i'll look elsewhere.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (4, Insightful)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391800)

Well considering that it wouldn't be Apple's choice to raise the prices, I would think it might be pretty hard to find lower prices from legitimate online stores.

Personally, I don't care if the prices go to a tiered structure. I don't buy the "hits" so the songs I'd purchase would probably come out cheaper than $.99.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (2, Insightful)

SteeldrivingJon (842919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391857)


The music industry would, I'm sure, like to have a tiered structure set up like so:

Tier 1: Music you don't buy: $.49
Tier 2: Music you do buy: $2.99

Re:Price increases for iTunes (2, Funny)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391877)

Now that would be a great business plan, charging people for things they don't buy.

Now, how to market it.

Obviously the RIAA's attempt has been less than satisfactory.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (1)

SteeldrivingJon (842919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392020)


They'd certainly like to set *that* up. I was thinking more that they'd set things up so that "popular songs" are more expensive, and any song you buy must therefore (because you wanted to buy it) be popular (otherwise you wouldn't have bought it). Everything'd be $.49 until you click "Buy", at which point your action establishes the popularity of the song and the price jumps to $2.99 as soon as it hits your cart.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392031)

They're actually doing that right now, since they claim you don't buy the music but merely a right to play it in devices which the RIAA finds suitable.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (2, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392039)


Now that would be a great business plan, charging people for things they don't buy.

Cable TV networks charge you for things you don't watch. In order for me to get The Space Channel (in .CA) my cableco's package also included crap like The Golf Channel and StarTV (entertainment news). Screw 'em, cancelled cable and download the odd show I want to watch.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (1)

honeypotslash (927312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391930)

There are plenty out there which charge 99 cents. The wal-mart music store is cheap and the AOL music now is really good (yes, I know that it is crappy AOL... but I tried their music store and it is actually pretty good).
--
Free PlayStation 3 [freepay.com]

Re:Price increases for iTunes (5, Interesting)

JWW (79176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391845)

I would have to agree with you. The music industry is looking INSANELY greedy with this move. I hope Apple holds out and holds their feet to the fire.

My prediction: If Apple goes to $ 1.99 for popular songs (read all but a small token number of the songs on the sight), allofmp3.com will begin to become an _enourmous_ hit (think Napster at its height). The RIAA is going to absolutely freak out and do everything in their power to shut them down. The funny thing is that that sight is bringing true market dynamics to selling music online (along with giving customers what they want, no DRM crap), but as much as they _say_ they are capitalists, the RIAA is just a price fixing oligarchy.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (1)

SteeldrivingJon (842919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391880)

"The funny thing is that that sight is bringing true market dynamics to selling music "

Apart from not actually paying the creators. That part of the "market dynamics" are a wee bit distorted.

And some portion of AllOfMP3's money surely goes to the Russian mafia, also known for such delightful activities as human trafficking. I can't see the Russian mob failing to take a chunk of a money-spinning business like this.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (3, Interesting)

croddy (659025) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392023)

As I understand it, under Russian law, internet distribution of audio recordings is viewed as we would view cable television -- it's a transmission, not a copy. If you've secured broadcast rights (and they have), then you can transmit audio recordings over a network cable.

Musicians obtain the vast majority of their income from live performances. Recordings serve the same purpose as radio play -- to promote performances. AllofMP3 does not represent a market failure.

There was music before there were records or radios. Selling copies of pre-recorded music is a very recent phenomenon for this art form. The disappearance of substantial cash flow from record sales will not harm our musical culture.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (1)

ozydingo (922211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392028)

A bit jumpy with the conclusions, aren't we? Just because an activity is illegal by oue (US) laws, or immoral by your standards, doesn't mean there is any mob influence. not saying there definately isn't, but it'd be nice to see conslusions based on, oh, i dunno, evidence.

And I beleive the part of "not actually paying the creators" or music was taken care of by the RIAA well before online music stores or even online filesharing took hold.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (2, Interesting)

Narcissus (310552) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392033)

Just because they're not paying the creators, doesn't mean it's not legal. They say they have the money put aside, ready for when the various publishers register for it (as required by Russian law).

I've never seen a site that says "yep, allofmp3.com is illegal". In fact, I've never seen a music or RIAA rep say that, which is pretty unusual.

Firstly, I would say that the music industry guys WON'T register as required, as they DON'T want to provide legitimacy to the site. With the site running from Russia, and the apparent rules over there that let this site be set up in the first place, you can see that they are unable to force a particular pricing model, right? No, you have to register for the money that is required, without any ability to influence pricing.

Surely they don't want to make this site legitimate, when they legally have no way of controlling it (only benefit from it).

Just to address those people that say "well, they should be sending the money to the companies, instead of waiting for them to ask": when someone goes on government provided welfare (that is, when there is a law that provides financial recourse for your situation), is it the government's job to make sure they know who needs it and just send it directly?

Again, if someone can show me (a half believable) link that says "yep, allofmp3.com is illegal" I'll accept that, but until then, I have to believe that Russian law permits this...

Re:Price increases for iTunes (2)

utexaspunk (527541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392062)

dude. i have to be a pedant- the word is site, not sight.

sight = vision.
site = location.

as in, "we have an on-site admin" or "can you send someone out to the job site to check on this?". while there are many sights to be seen at various sites on the web, one does not go to a websight, but to a website.

got it? kthxbye.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (2, Informative)

jone1941 (516270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391939)

Try emusic.com (look it's not even a referral link just the url). I like it so much I don't even care about the referral bonus for me! Seriously, even at the cheapest plan ($10/month) you get 40 tracks which is about $3/album depending on the number of tracks. It's largely independent labels so you aren't buying into the BS being shoved down the MTV/Radio tunnel of crap. Oh yeah and you get more tracks per $ with bigger plans and discounts on yearly purchases. God I should just get a job working for them.

Re:Price increases for iTunes (1)

misfit13b (572861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392097)

Seconded. eMusic is seriously good stuff.

I'm always tempted to jump to the next highest pricing level, but temper that by just listening to what I've downloaded already, and telling myself to be more patient until the next month's refill. ;)

Re:Price increases for iTunes (2, Insightful)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392068)

I have no problem paying $.99 for a song, but i will pay no more. This happens and I will be looking other places for my music for my iPod. They have to pay none of the traditional distribution costs of CD's, so they shouldn't even be the price they are now. you want to be greedy, i'll look elsewhere.

I'd totally buy into it if they also drastically lowered the price of less popular tracks. I don't listen to top 40 crap anyway. Go ahead and jack the price of Jessica Simpson tracks up by two or three times what they cost today just as long as you lower the prices of the less popular tracks by the same scale. You'd be doing us all a favor.

Of course we all know that's not how it would happen. If the RIAA had their way the popular tracks would be "raised slightly" to $3.00 a track and less popular tracks would "drop drastically" to $0.95 a track.

Gentlemen, start you credit cards. (5, Funny)

mynickwastaken (690966) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391780)

I have a colleague which likes almost everything coming from Apple.
In the last time I have the impression that he is working, here in our company, for nothing.
I told him, that would be much easier, to talk with the payroll, so that they send his salary directly to Apple.

Stupid odds (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391785)

Where the hell are the odds for overblown hype?

The irony (4, Funny)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391790)

From TFA:
Apple has recruited a bunch of former Sony VAIO engineers for the project and the PowerBook successor is rumored to be 20-25 percent thinner.

Oh, man, that's gotta hurt the Mac zealots even more than the switch to intel. Apple hiring *PC laptop designers* to build the next Powerbook.

Re:The irony (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391829)

Nothing new. Sony designed the PB100.

Re:The irony (2, Interesting)

bodgit (658527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391830)

Oh, man, that's gotta hurt the Mac zealots even more than the switch to intel. Apple hiring *PC laptop designers* to build the next Powerbook.

Why? Who do you think makes the laptops for Apple? The same OEMs that make all of the PC laptops, that's who.

Re:The irony (0, Flamebait)

nighty5 (615965) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391844)

Nothing can come good from offering an ultra thin laptop.

The thinner it is, the more suspectible it is to braking.

I have a 4 month old powerbook but it hardly leaves my coffee table.

On the other hand, my companies Dell D600 which is a peice of shit, its too hot for the powersupply, the keyboard / wrist area is always hot - it totally blows chunks. The screen is also slightly cracked, on the other hand I've treated it like shit :D

The fact is, don't make them too slim Jobsie, or you'll have another Nano on your hands. And there's on hot potato....

Re:The irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391956)

>>The thinner it is, the more suspectible it is to braking.

I also hear it's more susceptible to breaking :)

</spelling nazi>

Re:The irony (3, Insightful)

ThaFooz (900535) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391938)

Oh, man, that's gotta hurt the Mac zealots even more than the switch to intel. Apple hiring *PC laptop designers* to build the next Powerbook.

I think Mac zelots (arguably myself included) are more enamored with the OS than the hardware. My gripe with PC manufactures out there is a lot of shoddy support, bottom-of-the-barrel parts, and bulky/ugly laptop design and only a handfull of gems.

Re:The irony (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392016)

"I think Mac zelots (arguably myself included) are more enamored with the OS than the hardware."

What a fucking moron.

Look around you and see what a fucking joke the Apple world has turned into.

Yes, nothing but worthless fucks like you. Fucking sad.

Re:The irony (-1, Offtopic)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392015)

Mac zealots have converted to Intel fans after announcement ;)

They all hate powerpc now, believe or not!

That is zealotry for you...

Re:The irony (0, Troll)

avalys (221114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392085)

Oh, man, that's gotta hurt the Mac zealots even more than the switch to intel. Apple hiring *PC laptop designers* to build the next Powerbook.

Uh, no, actually I couldn't care less. I was happy about the Intel switch - despite Apple's marketing, Motorola and IBM just haven't been able to deliver the same performance in the G4/G5 as Intel and AMD have with the x86 chips.

Upcoming products (4, Interesting)

pieterh (196118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391791)

1. Improved video iPod with larger horizontal screen
2. More tie-ins with TV producers

Who cares about the pro users? (5, Insightful)

SteeldrivingJon (842919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391801)

O'Grady writes :"Hopefully it'll be the PowerBook nano I've been dreaming of. Unfortunately, it's not likely as the pro software (Final Cut, Creative Suite, etc.) isn't universal binary yet. Rosetta emulation isn't fun folks. Odds: 50-1."

So, basically, he's saying that because a certain segment of the userbase will be waiting a little while, EVERYONE should wait?

If Apple doesn't ship Intel Powerbooks now, these users are going to be waiting, because they certainly aren't going to buy G4 powerbooks unless they absolutely have to. If Apple does ship Intel Powerbooks now, these users are going to be waiting for their apps to be shipped as Universal binaries.

So, given that these customers are ogoing to be waiting either way, why shouldn't Apple get hardware on the market to serve the customers who *can* buy now? Customers for whom XCode is their main app, not Photoshop or Final Cut.

Re:Who cares about the pro users? (1)

williamhb (758070) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392013)


O'Grady writes :"Hopefully it'll be the PowerBook nano I've been dreaming of. Unfortunately, it's not likely as the pro software (Final Cut, Creative Suite, etc.) isn't universal binary yet. Rosetta emulation isn't fun folks. Odds: 50-1."

So, basically, he's saying that because a certain segment of the userbase will be waiting a little while, EVERYONE should wait?


Quite likely - otherwise Apple could face the prospect of it being reported in the media as "Apple have released a new computer but some of their important software packages won't work with it", and bang goes the iPod halo effect.

Re:Who cares about the pro users? (1)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392048)

If Apple doesn't ship Intel Powerbooks now, these users are going to be waiting, because they certainly aren't going to buy G4 powerbooks unless they absolutely have to.

I'm trying to figure out why anyone would buy a Mac right now, unless they absolutely needed it. I'm in the market for a Mac. Right around the time I was ready to buy a Mac Mini, they announced the switch to Intel processors. I don't NEED it right now, so I'm going to wait.

They forgot the.. (5, Funny)

majest!k (836921) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391808)

Odds that Steve Jobs won't wear black:

999999999-1

Re:They forgot the.. (2, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391854)

What about the odds that Steve Jobs will announce he is in fact the second coming of Christ? Could you worship a black turtleneck wearing savior?

Re:They forgot the.. (1)

rylin (688457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391901)

Well,
jesus WAS black (Dogma!) - can't our savior wear whatever clothes he wants to?

My breakdown... (5, Interesting)

csoto (220540) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391815)


10. OS 10.5 - not gonna happen. Apple is focused on Rosetta/Xcode QA for Mac OS X86. Whatever works well gets ported to 10.5 (think of 10.4 as the beta for X86)

9. X86 Powerbook - Could be. I would bet on this one.

8. iWork '06 - Could be. Who cares? I really like iWork '05. Pages is a treat, and Keynote is indespensible for me. But if they are working on a spreadsheet, yeah, this is the time to release it.

7. iLive '06 - Unless it adds things similar to Front Row, I don't see that it needs anything more than bug fixes. I wouldn't bet on it.

6. BT remote - Definitely going to be some kind of Front Row remote. Bluetooth? Probably. All new Macs have it, for several months now.

5. iTunes price increases - Not gonna happen. Steve knows this market. The market will not ignore him, no matter how greedy they are. Too much money is being made.

4. AirPort Ultra - Neat idea, but I won't bet on it. I would buy one, though :)

3. 1GB iPod Nano - Don't think so. The shuffle fills this space, but that's not big enough for the Nano's market segment.

2. X86 Mac Mini - I'd bet on this. I might even buy one for my parents. Their old IBM suck ass.

1. Widescreen X86 iBook - This one is obviously going to happen, but probably not now. Apple will drop 4:3 format entirely, as will the rest of the world (showing they are, as always, technology leaders). They just won't cannibalize Powerbook sales with iBooks until they have milked it long enough.

Re:My breakdown... (1)

bodgit (658527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391873)

10. OS 10.5 - not gonna happen. Apple is focused on Rosetta/Xcode QA for Mac OS X86. Whatever works well gets ported to 10.5 (think of 10.4 as the beta for X86)

Given we're/I'm only on 10.4.3, I would've hoped there was more life left in the old tigger still. I'd certainly be pissed if I had to fork out for another upgrade.

Re:My breakdown... (4, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391874)

It will be interesting to see whether or not Apple will update the powerbook or iBook first. Obviously the powerbook needs a serious upgrading, although I love the powerbook that I bought in May of last year, if I didn't get $400 off due to a very generous campus promotion, I would have never bought it. The machine is way too underpowered compared to the competetion.
That being said, the switch over to Intel is obviously going to be a big one and the chances for serious bugs is still high even with a lot of testing. Apple could try rolling out the mini/iBooks first to test the waters, knowing that pro customers make up a lot of Apple's revenues and are much less tolerant of bugs than say consumers.
Regardless, twenty-aught-six should be an interesting year for Apple!

Re:My breakdown... (2, Insightful)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392053)

But if they upgrade the iBooks first, won't they be significantly more powerful than the Powerbooks for a while. Assuming Apple is going for a new Pentium M of some kind, that is.

Re:My breakdown... (1)

SpinJaunt (847897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391959)

3. 1GB iPod Nano - Don't think so. The shuffle fills this space, but that's not big enough for the Nano's market segment.
If most places had 1GB iPod shuffles instock.

I think shuffles have become an EOL product already, heh, as there is probably more profit to be made from iPod Nanos and shuffles are pretty crap, for a few $'s more I could have a screen and twice the storage space for my digital media files.

Re:My breakdown... (1)

jone1941 (516270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392032)

Am I the only one who thinks that apple will just release a non-yonah based ibook.? I mean they want to have differentiation between the consumer and pro models. Why not release the ibook with "similar" specs to the current powerbooks with celeron or lowend pentium m processors? This will prevent major cannabalization of the current powerbook lines and allow them to release the yonah based powerbooks as the pro model they really are. Remember when the ibooks were g3 and the powerbooks were g4? That kind of product segmentation was the good old days as far as apple was concerned instead of having to make it about the smaller details (materials, graphics card, backlit keyboard).

Re:My breakdown... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392096)

"Am I the only one who thinks that apple will just release a non-yonah based ibook."

Because they would be laughed at...

Yonah will be slow enough already. The vast, VAST majority of Mac software will be emulated for 2006 and will be slower than current Apple laptops.

Yonah is hot, power hungry, 32bit, and has pathetic floating point performance.

And you think Apple is going to put out a Pentium M machine???

What The Fuck??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391821)

"sexy Intel Mac Minis and iBooks."

What idiot is waiting around to blow their money on the Intel based garbage Apple is about to crap out sometime in 2006???

Yes, the computing world is just waiting around to pay for overpriced, Intel only Apple proprietary hardware!

I can't wait to see Jobs get up in front of the Mac loonies and start spouting off about Intel SPEC scores from Intel's SPEC compiler. Integrity? Say whaaaaattt???

Don't cry Mac loonies, I hear Intel has some killer chips coming out next year. Or was it the year after that...

How will we know? (2, Informative)

tcoady (22541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391827)

According to macrumors.com there will be a blackout:

Thank you for your email. A replay will be available on http://www.apple.com/quicktime/mac.html [apple.com] , but there are no plans for live streaming.


"Journalism" (2, Informative)

mblase (200735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391970)

How will we know?

Major and minor Mac news sites like Macintouch [macintouch.com] and MacNN [macnn.com] always have someone in the audience blogging the Apple presentation in real time. Lately Apple's been blocking wi-fi connections during the presentation, but you still get the information immediately after it's over.

Re:"Journalism" (1)

tcoady (22541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392073)

thanks - those are useful sites to monitor for those without live acccess although they usually get saturated during the speech - maybe they should set up coralised links to themselves?

Re:How will we know? (1)

boomerny (670029) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391992)

I thought the reason for no streaming was that Apple was using HD cameras and to stream would be too much bandwidth. After the keynote they encode using h264 and then distribute the file. I could be way off though.

Re:How will we know? (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392074)

On pro hardware, you can convert it to SD or lower realtime and stream it. In fact they are missing a great chance of "real life" tests on quicktime server which is called expensive by media pros.

For example, if I was a real networks salesman, when the business asks "reliability", I'd point him/her to bbc.co.uk .

iLife and iWork '05 for Intel (1)

_|()|\| (159991) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391841)

As nice as it would be to see iLife '06, I think there will first be a universal version of iLife '05 and iWork '05. That way Apple can grow the market for paid upgrades to iLife '06.

Well, my G5 is going on eBay (0, Troll)

chipset (639011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391846)

Well, with the odds being so good, I plan on selling my G5 2.0. I have been waiting for this, as if the laptops are truly coming, I can quit using my ThinkPad for work.

I am excited, can't wait. This week is CES, next week Macs. Whoohoo!

Re:Well, my G5 is going on eBay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391896)

What a pathetic loser.

I love it! I can't wait to see the reactions of clowns like you a year from now!

No mercy for the idiots who bought Intel based Macs...

Jobs is the Anti Buddha (1, Interesting)

warmcat (3545) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391858)

Sakyamuni taught that primordial Ignorance (avidya) produces Desire-to-be (trishna), unsatisfied Desire is the cause of life, and life results in old age, disease and death, i.e., Suffering (dukkha). To overcome Suffering, therefore, it is necessary to escape the Cycle of life and death; to escape the Cycle of life and death, it is necessary to extinguish Desire; and to extinguish Desire, it is necessary to destroy Ignorance.

http://www.dharmafellowship.org/library/essays/fou rteen-fundamental-buddhist-tenets.htm [dharmafellowship.org]

Curious how Jobs being buddhist, he is responsible for such slavering of desire (according to the above, amongst the 'ignorant') in the products he works to create. I wonder if he tries to reconcile this in some consumerist branch of Buddhism.

Attaining Great Awakening (maha-bodhi), the Buddha Sakyamuni realized four profound insights: namely, that all created phenomena are impermanent; that due to the mutable impermanence of phenomena, all created phenomena must result eventually only in suffering; that there is no independent absolute 'I'; and that the seeker of Truth can transcend created existence and attain, through spiritual practice and mystical contemplation, a supreme state of peace called Nirvana.

Hm it seems doubtful Apple products are actually the path to spiritual awakening.

Re:Jobs is the Anti Buddha (1)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391958)

Actually, that is an interesting point - as I would identify mostly as a Theravada Buddhist myself (as well as a Mac user) we could certainly have some interesting fun arguing this one - not as much the place Jobs holds in this, but certainly the place things like iPods and such should hold.

Could be interesting :)

-WS

Re:Jobs is the Anti Buddha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392049)

I wonder if he tries to reconcile this in some consumerist branch of Buddhism.

Neo-buddhism. Ha!

Re:Jobs is the Anti Buddha (5, Informative)

SteeldrivingJon (842919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392079)

". I wonder if he tries to reconcile this in some consumerist branch of Buddhism."

Buddhism has a tenet known as "right livelihood", and for a layman selling consumer products doesn't violate it. Things like being a butcher, or selling intoxicants, or selling weapons would, but not the selling of computers, regardless of how pre-expo rumors can have a seemingly intoxicating effect on Mac fans.

Technically, it's the users doing it to themselves.

Re:Jobs is the Anti Buddha (4, Insightful)

paiute (550198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392100)

The Buddha would tell us that anyone who goes on about Buddhaism for more than two sentences is to be ignored because they do not get it.

Typo? (1)

Mortimer82 (746766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391876)

Isn't:
"Gentlemen, start you credit cards."

Meant to be:
"Gentlemen, start your credit cards."?

Re:Typo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392007)

All you typo are belong to us

Re:Typo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392076)

Yeah, it probbaly is. What's your point?

Intel Integrated Graphics (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391907)

I'd bet a wad of cash that, assuming they're introduced at MacWorld, both the new Mac Mini and iBook will sport Intel Integrated graphics.

I know game performance isn't exactly up to snuff on the Mac but I certainly don't think such a move would help the matter.

Moby Cock? (0, Offtopic)

stuffedmonkey (733020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391909)

Great user name for the submitter. I guess Dirty Sanchez was already taken? Way to get over on slashdot...

Inconsistencies... (3, Insightful)

djrogers (153854) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391943)

Yes, a sexy new Intel based mac mini seems likely, but in light of that why are they only giving 10:1 odds on an iLife/Frontrow upgrade? It seems the new mini would be the perfect platform to add PVR functionality to, but with no upgrades/additions to iLife, it seems the new minis would move from a killer living room appliance to a minor curiousity...

A great technological marvel (0, Flamebait)

The Benjamin (558857) | more than 8 years ago | (#14391973)

After 15 years of being scooped by the Windows world: a two button mouse STANDARD on every computer.

Re:A great technological marvel (2, Interesting)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392011)

I'd be happy if it was offered as a two-button mouse on the powerbook, personally. Everything else is easy enough to swap out - and I could even see keeping it to one-button on the iSeries. But I'd like a two-button on my next OSX laptop.

Probably not... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14391976)

Apple will also add video support to the nano line via a firmware upgrade to boost sales of TV shows and video content

Has Apple ever given away software updates that adds functionality for free? What makes these guys think they would do that this time?

Re:Probably not... (2, Insightful)

Chucker23N (661210) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392001)

O'Grady is, as always, full of crap. The iPod nano has no video compression/decompression chip as the iPod with video does, and the PortalPlayer chipset it comes with doesn't do real-time decoding of H.264. Supplying such a feature via firmware is impossible.

Yipee! A non event (0, Troll)

bms20 (827647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392002)

Great, I can't wait. The droning on of mac users about how "great" their system is, and how its "so much better" than Windows is what I look forward to.

I guess sales of aluminum polish and cleaning products will go up, and worldwide productivity down.

-Brett

BT Mighty Mouse (2, Interesting)

HogGeek (456673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392036)

Personally, I'm hoping for a BT Mighty Mouse.

He doesn't bring that up, or do most think it is so insignifigant, that it doesn't rate being mentioned.

Huh? (3, Insightful)

macwhizkid (864124) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392045)

Interesting speculation, but a lot of it just doesn't quite add up.

-The AirPort "Ultra" would "be able to stream video to your TV - in High Definition". Where is all this HD content coming from? Not from the iTMS, not from DVDs. Assuming this AirPort is running 802.11g, streaming HD content is iffy at best. Apple is known for making things easy. I don't see how this could possibly fly as a consumer product. Maybe in another year or two, with faster WiFi and more HD content.

-Jason reckons that the Intel PowerBooks won't be released because (despite all the engineering done) not all the pro software is written yet for Intel, and Rosetta emulation just isn't fun. But then his #1 prediction is for Intel iBooks? Doesn't make sense to me.

-Why are iLife & iWork updates so unlikely (10% and 4% odds, respectively)? Unless Apple is just willing to let this software die (unlikely given relations with Microsoft), this is practically a given. Maybe not until summer, but the odds of an announcement or mention are more likely on the order of 50% - 75%, IMO.

Sorry, I'm just not buying it. Guess I'll wait until next week to find out for sure.

oblig (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392050)

And what do the women start?
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