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Is AllPeers FireFox's P2P "Killer App"?

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the simple-is-key dept.

Mozilla 275

Vivek Jishtu writes "Tech Crunch predicts that the AllPeers Firefox extension will massively increase the attractiveness of that already popular browser, drawing more millions away from embattled Internet Explorer. AllPeers is a simple, persistent buddy list in the browser. Initially, interaction with those buddies will be limited to discovering and sharing files."

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P2P (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392057)

Does this site come with free oral copulation?

Re:P2P (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392601)

Of course! It's a Mozilla-product; it is as gay as possible, as usual.

arf! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392059)

Persistent buddy list? HOLY SHIT THAT'S CRAZY. Slashdot wouldn't let me post this cause of the caps so now I'm adding this. GOOD JOB.

done already (0)

Bloggins (783115) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392064)

I harvest my buddy list from my peers outlook

Re:done already (2, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392205)

I wonder if the story submitter realizes that Netscape has bundled AIM as a sidebar extension since the earliest release of Netscape 6 Beta? Might come as a serious shock to his system that this "killer" app is not so "new" or "killer" after all. ;-)

Re:done already (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392219)

I don't think this is so much an IM app as a filesharing one...

Re:done already (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392258)

I don't think this is so much an IM app as a filesharing one...

So you're trying to say that AIM *doesn't* have file sharing capabilities?

Re:done already (1)

B'Trey (111263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392351)

I haven't used AIM in quite some time but I don't believe it has file sharing of the type in question. You can certainly send a file to someone over AIM but it's a manual process that you have to initiate. You can't set up shared folders where you can dump all of your photos and any of your buddies can browse them. Of course, setting up a folder with all of your commercial music available to all of your buddies would be a copyright violation, so that won't happen but I'm sure clever users will come up with other, legal uses for the capability. Also, to the best of my knowledge, AIM isn't a Bit Torrent client. Your comment is like saying that ICQ wasn't a killer app in its day because you could already exchange messages with people via email.

Re:done already (1)

Mooga (789849) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392418)

AIM does but it's more of a personal thing. Like sending a friend a file your working on. Or sending out embarising pictures of your roommates puking all over the couch. While you can send illegal content and people do, it's more personal and not as huge as P2P networks.

Re:done already (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392246)

Who in their right mind uses Netscape?

Quantumware (5, Insightful)

pieterh (196118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392065)

Interesting to speculate about software that we can't download, so can't try. Yes, it could be a killer app. Yes, it could be dead on arrival. We won't know until we open the box! Wow, that was interesting...

Re:Quantumware (4, Funny)

underpar (792569) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392088)

In the future, AllPeers will also have folders to allow public sharing (probably with restrictions to control copyright violations). I also assume they will build chat and VOIP functionality into the application as well.

You deride the power of the probable assumption?

Re:Quantumware (3, Funny)

pieterh (196118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392159)

Probably, at least, I assume so.

If we assume, for the case of probability, that AllPeers is amazingly fantastic, which seems probably, or at least possible, since they are based in Prague, which is on the same side of the ex-Iron Curtain as the location where Kazaa and Skype were built, then it's possible, in my opinion, to assume that it'll be amazingly fantastic.

Heck, I want it now, and if that's anything to go by, it'll be an amazing success! Probably... :-)

Re:Quantumware (3, Funny)

webrunner (108849) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392605)

Lets assume for the sake of argument that AllPeers will release with the ability to convert all web pages to a full 3D virtual reality experience beamed right into your brain. Also, while beamed to your brain it will re-wire your body to be immune to all diseases. If this is true it is quite possible that AllPeers could pull billions away from IE and may in fact bring about world peace.

Re:Quantumware (5, Funny)

revery (456516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392158)

We won't know until we open the box! Wow, that was interesting...

Hey, it's Schrodinger's App

Re:Quantumware (0)

pieterh (196118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392314)

I just went and registered "deadcatware.com". W00t!

I thought about registering "livecatware.com" but then I reckoned, that'd really be a waste of $9.20.

Re:Quantumware (3, Funny)

Ctrl-Z (28806) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392459)

If you really wanted to waste your money, you would buy catware.com [onlinepolitics.com] for $2788.20 and then randomly redirect to either deadcatware.com or livecatware.com.

Re:Quantumware (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392249)

Don't you hate story titles that end with an interrogation?

Ick, (5, Insightful)

baadger (764884) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392072)

Looks like a load of hype to me. I've never been a fan of mergin applications into "suite"'s or such. I don't even like media player's in my P2P apps, too many bad experiences with fudged partial videos or mp3/ogg's trashing the process.

Give me simplicity without the unnecessary integration.

Re:Ick, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392106)

It would be nice to see it as an extension for FF -and- as a standalone.

You must be a unix user (5, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392189)

It is two different approaches to a solution.

The extreme unix view is to get a lot of small apps that each do exactly 1 task and do it well. This has some advantages. The first is that the builder of such an app can concentrate on just 1 problem, another is that you should be able to mix and match. If I want to search through a number of files for a text string I can combine a number of tools as I want.

The disadvantage is also clear, you gotta learn about a lot of apps to do one end task. In windows search is simple. In linux it is two apps each with different syntax rules. Windows search is limited, linux search is complicated.

Another way of doing things is in adding similar functionality to an existing application. Making it feature rich or bloated (depending on your point of view). Web browsers are an obvious example. Should for instance bookmarks be part of the browser or a seperate app? What about a media player? Should the capability to view the source be an internal app (ala firefox) or an external app (IE and opera). Email? Well it is part of the internet isn't it? RSS? XML viewer? XML entry?

Get the picture?

I don't like suits either but then I am not a typical user. I prefer my email and browser and p2p and media player to be nicely seperated. Then again I can live with the fact that I have first to click on a link then choose to save the torrent file then go azureus select open torrent, select the torrent and finally be able to start leeching.

You would be suprised how many people would scream bloody murder if they had to do this.

Sadly it seems that at least in the browser sphere you and I are loosing. Feature creep seems to be a way of life for browser developers.

Anyway I wish the company luck, they already seem to have gotten themselves some free advertising and without even having a product to showoff. Good job.

Re:You must be a unix user (5, Interesting)

ajwitte (849122) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392273)

In general, I agree that smaller apps that play well with the system are better than "suites", especially when said suites are inflexible and self-contained.

The stated goal of the Firefox project is to build a browser-only app that's lighter weight than Seamonkey (nee Mozilla Suite). So far, I think they've managed to include useful features without bloating Firefox too much.

It's hardly fair to point to a plug-in for Firefox that's developed by a third party and claim that Firefox is becoming too feature-rich/bloated.

P.S. I imagine your views also influenced your choice of text editor? :)

Re:You must be a unix user (4, Informative)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392396)

Sadly it seems that at least in the browser sphere you and I are loosing. Feature creep seems to be a way of life for browser developers.

Not really. The whole point of Firefox is to have a very small general-purpose web browser, to which you can add whatever extension you wish.

When AllPeers releases its stuff, *your* Firefox won't instantly become bloated. It's an extension. If you don't want it, don't download/install it, and you won't have it. Firefox is very flexible in that way.

Just because there are more and more extensions available for Firefox doesn't mean it's becoming bloated. It means it's becoming more flexible. As long as you have the option of not installing all of them, I don't see why extensions are a problem.

Re:You must be a unix user (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392567)

Then again I can live with the fact that I have first to click on a link then choose to save the torrent file then go azureus select open torrent, select the torrent and finally be able to start leeching.

Or, you could highlight the URL (on linux, otherwise copy), then in azureus choose open location, and paste the URL there, and live without all those extra .torrent files sitting around waiting for you to clean them up.

For the record (1)

baadger (764884) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392218)

I actually do use Opera which has an e-mail client and an IRC client built right, but neither feature of which I actually use. I of course visit webpages, in tabs under the Opera process, that load videos inline but only as a matter of convenience. I often push inline videos to the external equivalent player (For instance, when viewing 'Man stroke Woman' on the BBC site, excellent by the way for UK readers). I've also used Opera's built in BitTorrent client (in the snapshot build's), but very tentatively for unimportant leeching.

Perhaps, all things considered, the slight sluggishness of Firefox combined with the sluggishness of some P2P apps, in my mind is just making me feel rather queezy?

I can't really see AllPeers being integrated into my browser as being more convenient than an external program.

Re:Ick, (4, Insightful)

bcrowell (177657) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392363)

I don't see the logical link between Firefox and p2p. There are a gazillion different types of files I could download off the internet, and a zillion different things I could do over the internet. Having a "persistent buddy" (whatever that is) built into my browser for each one seems to me like it would make my experience as a user more confusing, not easier.

I also have to wonder about the logic of saying that this will really make firefox take off. The percentage of internet users who use p2p isn't that high, and of those that do, how many of them will like this particular app so much that they'll switch to firefox from IE? And how are they going to try the app if they aren't already using firefox?

BTW, it also looks clear that it's going to be closed source. After the kinds of experiences people have had with closed-source p2p clients on Windows installing spyware, why the &^%*$ should anyone get excited about installing yet another proprietary p2p app? Uh, wasn't the cool thing about firefox supposed to be that it's open-source? Who would have cared about firefox if it had been another proprietary browser?

And finally, there are different p2p protocols for different purposes. This one apparently is only bittorrent. The author talks about sharing his movies with his parents, but that isn't what bittorrent is optimized for; bt is optimized for sharing a single, big file that lots and lots of people want, like a BSD distribution or the "New Voyages" videos. [newvoyages.com]

Re:Ick, (0)

baadger (764884) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392421)

BTW, it also looks clear that it's going to be closed source. After the kinds of experiences people have had with closed-source p2p clients on Windows installing spyware...


This just struck a cord with me, as an extension this software will have complete access to everything you do in your browser. The installation of spyware (unlikely given the publicity) is a bit moot.

Re:Ick, (1)

Mooga (789849) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392558)

Adding p2p to web browsing does make sence technicly. When you have your web browser open you are online and can share. Although I personaly like seperate programs for almost everything. If I want to use IRC, I'll use a client, not the firefox extention. If I want to upload something with FTP, I'll use Filezilla, not the firefox extention. But some people like the all-in-one feel.

deja vu? (0, Redundant)

Cannedbread (841645) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392078)

i could swear ive seen this somewhere before..

Killer... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392083)

...dupe. Slashdot: Firefox's killer dupe

Paranoid (4, Interesting)

ehaggis (879721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392092)

This looks like a great feature, but it also looks like it could be a consistant security breach waiting to happen. These are the features and user toys that have plagued Microsoft security. Let's hope we don't trade safety for neato-gizmo stuff. And now I will don my tinfoil hat and be silent.

Re:Paranoid (5, Funny)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392176)

Thanks for the comment template. I'll use this template anytime any new feature of any product is released. It'll save me so much time having to actually think up a specific meaningful response.

Re:Paranoid (5, Funny)

ehaggis (879721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392206)

This looks like a great comment, but it also looks like it could be a consistant comment waiting to happen. These are the comment templates that have plagued comment template security. Let's hope we don't trade comments for comment templates.

Re:Paranoid (1, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392394)

This looks like a great feature, but it also looks like it could be a consistant security breach waiting to happen.

See, happening already. IE would be flamed for having another "Security Hole" in its browser; In Firefox, this is the greatest thing since sliced bread... we think. Haven't actually seen it.

It's simple: browsers shouldn't do everything. If you want P2P, use standalone software. If you want read news, shop online, and browse the net, use a browser.

Re:Paranoid (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392512)

So don't install it.

I'm not sure why everyone is so up in arms about it being released. There are lots of ridiculous plugins out there. I've got one running that makes all my tabs different colors...Now that's pointless bloat! But if I decide that the browser is getting sluggish, I can go through and take out the plugins I don't really use, and we're back to normal.

Just because a plugin exists, doesn't make it an automatic security hole for a browser.

Re:Paranoid (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392547)

"Let's hope we don't trade safety for neato-gizmo stuff."

Do you wear a base ball cap or a full face motorcycle helmet when you walk in the park? Are you willing to trade the saftey of a crash tested helmet for the neato-gizmo value of the baseball cap?

We trade safty for convienence constantly. The same goes for this kind of thing. Is the security risk that someone might download my vacation videos of the kids in Disney Land greator then the convienence of sharing those videos with family and friend quickly and easily?

-Rick

"Killer" apps (-1, Troll)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392095)

So the parade of new apps for Firefox continues. And how long before there are so many "killer" apps available, that Firefox begins to suffer IE bloat? I'm not a P2P fan, so this doesn't appeal to me at all, but it will to a great many people. And so will the next big thing, and the next, ad infinitum, until the complaints begin that Firefox is crawling and unmanageable. If this is such an important functionality, build it right in and make sure its optimized.

Re:"Killer" apps (5, Insightful)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392117)

But that's the lovely nature of Firefox. The Mozilla Foundation can concentrate on building a better *browser* while leaving the API open to developers who want a little more from Firefox via Extensions.

I think plain, vanilla FF is a wonderful browser. The Extensions I use just make it better....for me. I don't expect my roommate or my girlfriend to run the same extensions I do, or even run any.

Re:"Killer" apps (0, Flamebait)

cornface (900179) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392172)

But that's the lovely nature of Firefox. The Mozilla Foundation can concentrate on building a better *browser* while leaving the API open to developers who want a little more from Firefox via Extensions.

That's been the lovely nature of pretty much every browser since Netscape introduced plug-ins.

Sheesh.

Re:"Killer" apps (2, Informative)

nurhussein (864532) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392124)

So the parade of new apps for Firefox continues. And how long before there are so many "killer" apps available, that Firefox begins to suffer IE bloat? I'm not a P2P fan, so this doesn't appeal to me at all, but it will to a great many people. And so will the next big thing, and the next, ad infinitum, until the complaints begin that Firefox is crawling and unmanageable. If this is such an important functionality, build it right in and make sure its optimized.

Uhm, you do realise you don't need to install it, right? This is optional, non-mandatory stuff. You choose to use it if it appeals to you.

Re:"Killer" apps (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392238)

Uhm, you do realise you don't need to install it, right? This is optional, non-mandatory stuff. You choose to use it if it appeals to you.

That's part of my point. Firefox as it is now is an effective, efficient, secure browser. And I have a handful of add-ons I find useful. But there comes a point of diminishing returns. The more and more apps that suddenly fall under the "killer" banner, the more Firefox will be diminished as greater numbers of tools are grafted onto it. This is a trend, the browser-as-Swiss-Army-knife, that inevitably leads to bloated code. IE might have been a greate browser, but MS tried to stuff it full of things while at the same time ignoring standards laid out to keep things orderly. End result? Garbage. I just don't want to see Firefox run down the same road.

Re:"Killer" apps (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392369)

More choice is never a bad thing. Some people will still pick their add ons off the "Top Ten" list, but the others are available for those who are willing to dig a little to find a useful tool.

Re:"Killer" apps (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392507)

More choice is never a bad thing.

Ever been the McDonald's? How would you like your fat today?

Re:"Killer" apps (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392532)

You like having a choice besides McDonalds, don't you?

Re:"Killer" apps (2, Funny)

Atuin the Great (766999) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392145)

And how long before there are so many "killer" apps available, that Firefox begins to suffer IE bloat?
Indeed, if only there was a way to only load those extensions you're really interested in....

Re:"Killer" apps (1)

hug_the_penguin (933796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392269)

Firefox's next killer feature? Maybe next they'll consider tabs and an address bar... Of course that would be taking it too far...

Re:"Killer" apps (-1, Redundant)

method77 (943066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392164)

I agree. Firefox started as a "lighter" Mozilla without the mail and other annoying apps but they have now changed directions. What's next? Coffee making?

Re:"Killer" apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392212)

You may not be a fan of P2P, but here's a hypothetical use that you may get out of this.

You install the extension and your family members (parents, children, whomever lives across the country/world) also install the extension. You all create a buddylist that has only each other on it. Now you have an extremely simple way of accessing information you may need to send to each other, especially larger files that you can't e-mail to each other easily.

Just because most P2P is used to get copyrighted material for free doesn't mean that all of its associated uses are bad.

Re:"Killer" apps (1)

Elixon (832904) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392342)

We should not speak about killer apps until the app kills some other app ;-)

Otherwise I could claim my Elixon CMS for Firefox as killer CMS :-))) But I will leave the title to others...

Simply I don't like the things like "the most succesfull movie of the year" entitled to the movie that is just entering the cinemas. They are all lies we call "marketing".

Re:"Killer" apps (2, Insightful)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392377)

IE bloat = sneaky underhanded spyware crammed into IE, often by the computer vendor itself. Primarily designed to pump ads to the user and monitor their actions. Installed as covertly as humanly possible.
FF bloat = extension developed by opensource developers specifically to provide them with crap they want. Users go out of their way to fetch the exts and FF makes them jump through some hoops to complete the process.

not quite the same. When bonzi.com makes a firefox extension things may change, but for now they're different.

Re:"Killer" apps (2, Informative)

fourtyfive (862341) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392381)

suffer IE bloat? Firefox already is more bloated then IE. I still use IE, because its simply much faster, yeah, it helps that its preloaded into the OS and such but its just _faster_ than firefox.

Re:"Killer" apps (1)

dhasenan (758719) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392541)

Forget that--how long is it before the Mozilla foundation has to disable all extension functionality because it's a vehicle for murder?

Already second story? (-1, Offtopic)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392098)

This is already second story on this product (first here [slashdot.org] ), while it has not yet gone live.

Some great PR work!?

Re:Already second story? (1, Offtopic)

Skidge (316075) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392156)

Some great PR work!?

Reminds me of Paul Graham's piece from early last year The Submarine [paulgraham.com] .

Pardon Me.... (5, Insightful)

LordPhantom (763327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392099)

....but I thought the continual vulnerabilities in IE and the better interface (tabs, etc) were what pulled folks from IE. Isn't Firefox itself the "killer app"?

Re:Pardon Me.... (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392449)

Nah. A killer app is one whose extraordinary usefulness drives a particular market. The webbrowser itself was a response to the big killer app, the internet. The network had been there for years, but when they started making it pretty with pictures and blinking things, people went nuts. It drove browser development, broadband deployment, and started the biggest boom/bust economic cycle in recent history.

That is a killer app. Firefox is nice, but it's just another browser until it comes up with the one thing that everyone absolutely lusts after in their secret hearts. More reliable, less spyware...That's just not sexy. But some wonder-widget that captures the public's imagination and exponentiates Firefox's market share? That's a killer app.

Fog (4, Insightful)

Zutroi_Zatatakowsky (513851) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392102)

I believe AllPeers has already been slashdotted, did we need this once more? They *still* haven't released their software. Woop-dee-doo.

Killer in one sense of the word. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392105)

Just wait until it gets included by default, and Firefox becomes the most popular file sharing program.

Then gets sued and killed off by the RIAA.

I think... (-1, Offtopic)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392113)

...this is a dupe.

But I didn't comment last time! :)

So, with that in mind, I'd say no - Firefox doesn't really need a "Killer App", in my opinion. Shoehorning any P2P other than Bittorrent in there doesn't make much sense to me. The problems they're trying to solve are so very different, I'd be surprised if it wasn't just just too clunky compared to standalone P2P apps.

Yes, it COULD be good (4, Insightful)

trogdor8667 (817114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392114)

Granted, I've only used a handful of bittorrent clients, but my biggest complaint with most is that they use the majority of my bandwidth, and I can't even get google to load when I have them open, let alone most other sites. Why would I want to have this happen every time I open Firefox? I open my browser to surf the net, not get bogged down with extensions that drain every ounce of my connection so I can share a single picture or movie with my girlfriend.

Granted, its a good idea, I just hope they fix that one thing that plagues other clients. With Bittorrent, typically, you're sharing larger files, with this, the intent (though I'm sure it will be used for other things as well) is to share smaller files with close friends. Hopefully, this will be taken into account in the final version.

Re:Yes, it COULD be good (5, Informative)

pebs (654334) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392240)

Granted, I've only used a handful of bittorrent clients, but my biggest complaint with most is that they use the majority of my bandwidth, and I can't even get google to load when I have them open, let alone most other sites.

This is more than likely because you are using up all your upstream bandwidth. Limit your upstream to something under your max and you should be fine. You can also limit downstream, but that's less likely to be a problem.

I have 40KB upstream max with my cable service, and I limit it to 25KB and have never had any slowdown problems after doing so. BT never approaches my ~500KB downstream max, so I've never had to limit that. I use Azureus as my client.

Re:Yes, it COULD be good (1)

georgeda (752150) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392287)

why not just limit the programs available bandwidth? http://utorrent.com/ [utorrent.com] is a good example of a torrent client; small, sleek, and the ability to limit dl/ul.

restrictions for what purpose? (3, Informative)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392115)

In the future, AllPeers will also have folders to allow public sharing (probably with restrictions to control copyright violations)

Why does it need restrictions at all? You can do the same thing with an unrestricted email attachment. Just put in a warning notice about sharing, but don't restrict its functionality.

Advertised as Killer app = not so (usually) (3, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392119)

Anywhere we see "get our program, its the XYZ killer app" its usually a bit of a pretender.
The killer application for firefox is BROWSING THE FRIKKIN WEB.
Stop trying to cloud the waters.

Nothing to see here (4, Informative)

broothal (186066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392134)

The last time [slashdot.org] slashdot covered this the response was "come back when this is more than vapoware." Well, this is still nothing more than a bunch of slides. What has changed since the 28th when the story was last published? (Nothing, it seems)

Re:Nothing to see here (0, Offtopic)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392194)

What has changed since the 28th when the story was last published?

A check from AllPeers to OSTG?

Oh, please. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392136)

Listen up, people: that functionality is what geeks (like you and me) want. It is *not* what the vast, vast, vast majority of browser users want.

By far, the most frequent browser users are corporate people who have (significant) parts of their internal operations accessible by a browser. They won't be using it because the company's internal operations aren't set up that way. (And if you don't understand that dimension of browser users, you ought to look at where most Windows desktops are deployed: in a corporate environment.)

The next most frequent users are moms, pops and their kids at home visiting numerous sites for homework (read "plagiarism"), sports news and recipes. (And if you don't understand that dimension of browser users then get up out of your chairs, walk down the street and do a door-to-door survey of people in your neighbourhood.)

The next most frequent users are people like you and me: intensive users who push the boundaries -- who stopped using IE years ago (I'm mostly Opera, occasionally Firefox and still have a version of Lynx that I can launch).

The next most frequent users are ... well, that's it ... there are no other users.

So basically: when you get to the people who use their browsers the most, you're also talking about the smallest cohort of browser users. Killer app? Sure: but only for us.

Re:Oh, please. (1)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392501)

You're shouting into the wind. While you're right (IMO) the majority of
slavering techno heads that go for this sort of stuff don't have much
contact with the day to day computing world , so don't really have a clue
what 99% of users want or need.

Re:Oh, please. (2, Interesting)

aurelian (551052) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392503)

The same can be said for just about any new app or service. The web itself was only used by people in your third category at first, then it went mainstream. Ditto mp3 players.

In any case I'm not so sure your division into three groups is all that valid; there's a whole spectrum of users from geek (you) to semi-geek (your dad perhaps, or friends who rip cds and use email) to non-geek (your mom). Geek trends often filter their way along the chain, and in doing so, become big business.

Human2human protocol (2, Insightful)

TuringTest (533084) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392526)

You're right in your analysis, but wrong in your conclusions. You forgot that those corporate people have a life outside the corporation.

When they go back home, they usually will want to communicate with the group of moms, dads and kids - which don't necesarily use the same computer or even live at the same house. This is the point where an easy protocol for sharing content is most needed (mail worked well for a time, but it didn't scale to the current big multimedia files of video, mp3 and digital cameras).

The sharing of these kinds of files between the two biggest user groups *is* what will make this a killer app, if it has a well-implemented user-centered interface.

buddy Interaction (1)

telchine (719345) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392141)

> Initially, interaction with those buddies will be limited to discovering and sharing files.
A bit like MSN Messenger, but without the chat :-P

Re:buddy Interaction (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392553)

A bit like MSN Messenger, but without the chat :-P

Yes, but MSN has various problems:

a) Sometimes you can't transfer files with firewalls or some weird net configs
b) If you accidentally close the window while transferring, wham!
c) Where's the frigging "resume download"?

I've tried apps like WASTE, but configuring them is nearly a ditto of time.

I'd gladly welcome an app which allowed you to share files between your buddies. I have a friend who's a fan of car races and he doesn't stop sending me small racing clips. If we had an easy way to share (and resume) files by pulling i.e. http (instead of MSN's pushing), i wouldn't have to wait 30 minutes for the transfer to finish.

But it's still in the box (3, Funny)

murderlegendre (776042) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392142)

Since the AllPeers applet is still in the box, it's impossible to say whether or not it's a killer app. Since we cannot directly observe AllPeers, it must be existing in a meta-state where it is at once both a killer app, and in fact not.

But I'm slightly uncertain about this.

I'm still spinning to the left and to the right (0)

mmell (832646) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392404)

Simultaneously! ;^D

dupe (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392148)

not only its dupe - i still can't download it ....
i wonder how fast (or slow) it will be.It could be really usefull - but stability concerns me. I don't know if i am the only one but since firefox 1.5 i get crashes almost on a daily basis.I think it's probably due to large number of extensions i use or maybe because i compiled it myself.Anyway I compiled previous versions and they were rock stable so im not sure if thats the cause.And i wonder if it would be possible to implement something that would make using ff extensions in konqueror- probably not, but it would be sooo cool.I'd switch to konqueror if it wasnt for the extensions.

RIAA (5, Interesting)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392154)

I can imagine the FUD campaign the RIAA would run against FF and Microsoft running their own to put FF into the category of P2P software, which will result it in being banned from most businesses.

What next? (5, Funny)

Dan East (318230) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392155)

And in other news, the Open Office suite has been released as a Firefox Plugin. Analysts predict that not only will this draw users away from from IE, but millions will also switch away from Office.

An interesting quote from the article, "What we're really waiting for is someone to release a linux distribution as a Firefox plugin. This will spell certain death to both IE and Windows simultaneously. The big hurdle is to figure out how to launch Firefox before the OS has even booted."

Dan East

Re:What next? (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392562)

". . .The big hurdle is to figure out how to launch Firefox before the OS has even booted."

With the emacs plugin.

KFG

Re:What next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392585)

Sounds more like EMACS to me.

WOW just what I need (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392162)

WOW! just what I need. Another buddy list that nobody subscribes to. I hope they make it work with AIM, Yahoo, and not to forget my favorite forced MSN Messenger.

Right idea, wrong platform (4, Insightful)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392180)

Allpeers certainly does look awesome, but what's it doing in a web browser? It belongs in an IM client like GAIM or as a standalone app. I've been waiting forever for an easy way to share files with my friends, but I'm not crazy about the idea of tying up 100MB of RAM leaving Firefox open all the time.

Re:Right idea, wrong platform (2, Funny)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392456)

100MB of Ram? What version do you have that uses only 100MB of Ram? Where can I download it? :)

In other news (0, Offtopic)

boldtbanan (905468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392184)

And in other news, the Phantom console is the greatest gaming console ever created and will cause Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo to bow down to it's awesomitude.

Good (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392188)


Does it have a plugin for Slashdot crowd's preferred gadget [fu-fme.com] ?

FF needs (1)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392209)

FF needs a simple BitTorrent plug-in to make the downloading of files easier - an alternative to HTTP transfers. Something slimline that will benefit those who don't or can't run a full p2p app, but might need files that are released via p2p. More and more we see files not hosted on a web server, but are instead available as a torrent. Something needs to built to bridge the gap and allow more people to participate. This AllPeers extension doesn't look like it'll do the job. AllPeers is something for the teenagers.

Re:bittorrent needs... (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392322)

a simple proxy plug-in, which all other bittorrent clients can detect and latch on to.
Maybe I'm the minority, but I always wind up saving the .torrent files and running the curses client on my firewall: even ignoring bittorent port issues, that's the system wich has the most uptime. I would love for bittorrent clients to somehow know about this, and send their .torrents to my more-stable system.

But I am also of the mind that most communications should happen through a stable proxy.

Re:FF needs (1)

dchallender (877575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392556)

But why have a plugin when a p2p app does the job? If I click on a p2p link then my p2p app kicks in to handle it (Azureus), creating a FF specific p2p plugin is pointless as theres a whole host of p2p clients out there, some such as utorrent that are very small footprint if resource usage is an issue. Its no more hassle to install a p2p client as any other "extra" to make browsing easier.

Firefox needs... (-1, Troll)

Lost+Found (844289) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392245)

...simplicity. Or, rather, I prefer simplicity in my browser. And every time I check, Firefox is getting worse.

Thankfully, I'm a Linux user, so I'm not limited to Opera and Internet Explorer. I do my surfing on Konqueror.

Re:Firefox needs... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392330)

And every time I check, Firefox is getting worse.

Do you check someone else's releases which bundle a million extension with Firefox? Is someone forcing you to install all of them? Sadly, you are an idiot too. I am not a Linux loser, but i am also not limited to IE or Blopera. Because you know, X runs on a lot of OS-es. Retard.

Re:Firefox needs... (1)

Lost+Found (844289) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392405)

Do you enjoy flaming for fun on the internet?

It turns out that the user interface simplicity I was only partially talking about that you fully latched on to goes hand in hand with something else - the simplicity of the application code itself. Even if you refuse to install any Firefox extensions, the bloat still hits you in the face like a sack of bricks because it insists on using fucking XUL and the rendering engine to render the whole UI.

Without being an actual Gecko developer, I can't tell you if that is its main problem (but it's likely to be a 'big one'). What I do know is that the memory savings and performance benefits from using Konqueror are downright impressive.

- Lost+Found (Linux loser since, well, a long time ago... and loving it!)

mindshare hijacking (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392325)

Why is this not being touted as a standalone XULRunner app? I'll tell you why, because they want to feed off firefox mindshare and goodwill of the community. Have they even got a webpage that works without javascript yet? If I had to sum up this article in 2 words, they would be 'vapourware' and 'hype'.

Why? (1)

NetCynicism (792366) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392452)

Why have we had two mainboard posts pimping a vaporware browser extension that, if completed, will duplicate the functionality of existing programs, inside a browser?

Private filesharing (2, Interesting)

technopinion (469686) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392455)

This is indeed a killer app... if it were a standalone app. Why isn't it? And why isn't there already an app like this? It doesn't seem as though it would be that hard to create, but everything I've tried for private filesharing within a group of friends has been either too complex (waste), too limited (grouper, icq, msn, etc) or too braindead (many others).

Just give me a torrent client or emule-like app that I can limit to a group of defined contacts.

Re:Private filesharing (0, Offtopic)

EmagGeek (574360) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392589)

I saw a bittorrent-like system a while back that was for private sharing, with a really nice GUI and everything. I even downloaded it, but my machine crashed before I could install it, and now I can't remember what it was called. I know this post is useless, but maybe it'll get someone's attention... and they'll remember ... hope...

Re:Private filesharing (1)

dchallender (877575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392617)

Use Azureus (or certain other p2p clients that also support this) -lets you create and share your own torrents. We have an old (UK) house with some very thick stone walls, this can cause wireless network links to occasionally drop on the PC in one of the rooms (not the "main" server). For large data transfers (periodic backups to backup only hard drive which dangles off "main" PC ) tend to use torrent creation approach as nicely handles connection drops and easier to tweak bandwidth use (using my preferred p2p apps) than alternatives such as resumeable ftp (my preferred ftp app is not great at bandwidth use tweaking).

The Real Killer App(tm) (1)

lukOh (930297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392471)

.. is Slashdot. 2 modest websites made useless in less than 2 hours, Allpeers and PortableApps.
This ain't a news site, is a DDOS portal.

May I suggest a new financing method? Package and sell various versions of "the ./ effect" to recognized website maintainers, ISPs, sadistic sysadmins and such, then post timely news entries saying something on their site (crap or dupes are common, anyways: this won't statistically change the number of interesting news). Be sure to claim no responsibility for excess bandwidth usage on customer's websites.

The average user (1)

smallguy78 (775828) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392502)

Why do all slashdot headlines seem to assume that every person who uses a computer out there is a techie?

90% of people browsing the web just want to view a website or two, maybe order something online. They couldn't give two shits about seeing their "online buddies", downloading illegal stuff via p2p.

Re:The average user (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14392591)

Why do all slashdot headlines seem to assume that every person who uses a computer out there is a techie?

Slashdot is news for nerds, stuff that matters to computer nerds. Hope that helps.

Waited a while for this (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392569)

I waited years for this to come out, and now the site is slashdotted and I can't get my beta test request in. Oh darn it all.

Features I'll be looking for is drag and drop sharing of pictures or folders, and an interface so easy that any new user can find files I want them to see within seconds of visiting my address or buddy icon.
Firefox needs a Bit torrent extension so badly.

Is AllPeers FireFox's P2P "Killer App"? Hmmm No. (1)

cmay (687134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14392574)

Is AllPeers FireFox's P2P "Killer App"? The answer is no. Why no? How about why yes? No one is going to care about this extension. No one is going to decide to switch because of it. This isn't going to matter at all. How can anyone even pretend that this type of extension is going to be the "killer app" to cause a large move toward Firefox? This same guy probably thinks that linux just needs a similar "killer app" and Windows will be done for. Gimme a break.
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