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TiVo Unveils Series3 HDTV DVR

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the more-acronyms-than-you-can-shake-a-stick-at dept.

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MegaZone writes "TiVo unveiled their new Series3 unit at CES yesterday. The Series3 is a digital cable ready box, capable of recording two programs simultaneously. It supports cable and antenna input, and it can handle digital or analog cable, digital ATSC, or analog NTSC broadcasts. CableCARD is used for digital cable, and it can utilize a single multi-stream card, or two single-stream cards. The system also sports 2 USB ports, 10/100baseT Ethernet, and an E-SATA port for external storage expansion. Video output is HDMI, component, S-Video, and composite, and audio is optical digital or RCA stereo."

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Complete with (-1, Flamebait)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408632)

Product placements and popup ads!

Tivo is soooo out of bidnezz. No way can they compete with Comcast, TWC, etc.

Re:Complete with (4, Informative)

LeeRagans (457865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408654)

Finally I can get rid of the two piece of garbage Comcast DVRs. I still have to use my old series 2 tivo to guarantee that I can get a show recorded. With 2 comcast DVRs it is crap shoot as to if they actually record. I have been waiting for this.

Re:Complete with (3, Interesting)

Sax Maniac (88550) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408897)

My father-in-law has one of those. It is so terrible compared to the ReplayTV I'd almost rather not even use it. We tried to watch a recorded movie over there. Since we have kids to run after and family to visit, we tend to watch movies in chunks... 20 minutes here and there. The stupid DVR refused to remember where you last left off, so you have to FAST FORWARD back to the spot you were at.

After 4 or 5 restarts we wanted to smash the thing into little bits and pieces, Office Space style.

Re:Complete with (1)

minniger (32861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409135)

The competition from the cable companies sucks so much I don't even know where to begin. Here's a letter I wrote when I had to use a so called dvr from a cable company while moving:


To: Grande Communications - Customer Service, Marketing, Business Development, CEO
Subject: Good lord your DVR offering sucks.

I've seen some bad user interfaces over the years and the one featured on your scientific atlanta dvr is pretty much the worst i've ever seen. Where one button would suffice it forces you to use 3. Or sometimes 4. I challenge you to schedule a recording of Sponge Bob Square Pants for two days in the future. With TiVo it's trivial, with your device it is impossible. Forget about attempting to set up something equivalent to a Season Pass. Come on, are you really serious about this product? I suppose the charge to my bank account indicates that you sadly are. Has anyone in your management actually tried to use the device. Or do they all just have TiVo and assume that all DVRs are the same? If so then they are woefully out of touch.

I have to use your crappy offering since my apartment does not have a southern view. But be assured, once I move I will be resuming my DirecTV subscription and continue to use my 2 year old DirecTV dual-tuner TiVo.


Now I didn't actually send it since I was busy moving. But now... humm....

Re:Complete with (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14409312)

Enjoy your DirecTiVo for now, because when DirecTV goes to MPEG-4 you'll be out of luck and you will have to come crawling in my skin back to a company that supports CableCARD to get your precious TiVo.

Re:Complete with (1)

minniger (32861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409384)

True... Did I hear that directv's contract with tivo ends in 07? If so and they go with their own dvr that sucks as much as the typical cable co. one does then they'll lose every tivo customer they have.

Actually the main draw of the whole set up is the feature that is in the series3. Dual tuners. So if directv wants to keep my business then they'll need to keep tivo. If they don't, i'm gone.

Re:Complete with (4, Interesting)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408675)

Your kidding yourself right? Have you ever had a TiVo? They are wonderful and their userbase is extremly loyal. With the addition of easy storage expansion and digital cable these are going to sell like hotcakes.

Unfortunatly for TiVo this doesn't nessesarily mean more money as they sell their boxes fo little profit and make the money on subscription fees, meaning existing loyalties won't make them much money. On the other hand existing tivo users might be inclinded to give their tivos to friends and family and possibly pay for a few months of service long enough to get them hooked.

Re:Complete with (4, Insightful)

w.p.richardson (218394) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408737)

Never had a tivo, I refuse to pay the outrageous monthly fee.

I do have a mythtv box that I love to death. The price is right, and it's not larded with DRM, etc. That suits my needs.

For other people who are not so concerned, why would I go to the expense of purchasing this + subscription fee when the cable company will give me one that (as far as Joe User knows / cares) does the same thing for $3.50 per month. Tivo can not compete, they are as good as dead.

Had a TiVo. Hated paying the monthly fee (3, Insightful)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408772)

Now I'm using Cox DVR. While the interface isn't as nice as TiVo, I have the ability to record two shows at once. Which comes in handy for my wife. And like you said, its only $3.50 month without taking up any more space.

Monthly fee is what keeps Tivo great. (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409171)

The subscription data compared to your Cox DVR is heads and tails above it. I suppose some people might not care for all the extra details that Tivo provides in their guide data, but this is the major selling point for me from Tivo. I have paid well over double the lifetime fee it would have cost me on both my Tivos, but I keep the subscriptions going simply because I appreciate their guide data being so well done. And i'll keep doing such in the future.

Re:Complete with (4, Informative)

Octorian (14086) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408821)

You people just don't realize that the draw of TiVo is really their value-added stuff that even the cable-company DVRs don't have. Also, once you get used to the TiVo, you feel like you're *missing something* on other offerings.

First, TiVo *just works*, and it works well for everything it is supposed to do. No tweaking required.

Second, the cable-company DVRs don't support home networking (while MythTV would, of course), and it is very nice to have TiVos in multiple rooms, or be able to play MP3s on TiVo, transfer stuff around, or use other value-added Internet-enabled "stuff" they're constantly adding.

Third, other options only record "exactly what you tell them to", and nothing more. While this may seem ok, one gets very easily addicted to TiVo's tendency to also record things it thinks you might want to watch (and sometimes do), but havn't explicitly told it to record.

Oh, and you can also do nifty things like schedule recordings over the internet, and even check the available recording list on your TiVo remotely.

(Ok, MythTV can do some of these things, but from the demos I saw, it required far too much "tweaking" for me to feel comfortable "trusting" it to always get my shows reliably recorded, and recorded without reruns and such. I actually do also have a MythTV box, but I use it for playing computer-stored video files and running game emulators.)

Re:Complete with (1)

drasfr (219085) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409282)

I would have to agree on the statement that mythtv requires way too much tweaking...

It isn't like I am not an experienced Linux user... I have been extensively using Linux at home, then work since 1992, kernel 0.98. I use it everyday, work, home.

I do have a mythtv box, and timewarner cable HD. It is a pain. I gave up on my mythtv box, was wasting too much time on it and ended up getting the timewarner HDPVR which works okay for what it is supposed to do: recording shows. I am not a big fan of it, lacks mythtv functionnalities but hey, it records and I can play my shows.

Why do I think mythtv is a pain?

configuring it and having it to work is a major hassle. Between the special drivers for the infrared receiver/remote, the lircc, the kernel drivers, making sure the tv card works (PVR350), getting the sound in, especially I have HD, I WANT to record in HD, and AC3 sound. Well, I only got Svideo. Quality sucks. Oh, and the major pain is to be able to change channel, as it uses my only HD tuner in the place, it has to change channel via IR (which doesn't work still), and it forces me to watch what is being recorded. I live in NYC and I have no interest in recorded over the air shows and would rather be able to record anything that is playing on my HD set.

So if someone could sell me a pre-installed mythtv ready for HDTV, with HDTV tuner integrated that I can then tweak and customize, I would take it and pay for it! I love the functionnalities of Mythtv, but for what I want. It is just not ready yet.

believe me. I LOVE mythtv. I just wish I could use it as easily as the PVR I have.

Re:Complete with (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409075)

Agreed, this is why I have the DirecTivo which is only 5 dollars a month. Sadly DirecTV is now offering their own box and rumors are that in 2 years the TiVo boxes won't work anymore, at that time I may go with the new series 3 if I can afford it.

Re:Complete with (1)

LazyBoy (128384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409360)

Never had a tivo, I refuse to pay the outrageous monthly fee.
Then don't pay it, I never did. Some friends just got a Series2 for about $40 after rebates. The lifetime subscription is $300 now, I think.

How much did you pay for your mythtv box? How much time did you put into setting it up? How much time do you put into maintaining it? Can non-geeks use it successfully? How loud is it in the living room? Does it look good in the stereo cabinet?

Tivo is the iPod of PVRs. It just works and does it so well.

Re:Complete with (4, Informative)

heck (609097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408796)

Tivo is soooo out of bidnezz. No way can they compete with Comcast, TWC, etc.

Comcast and TiVo has a deal that starts mid-2006 to market TiVo DVRs to Comcast customers.,+Comcast+reach+DVR+deal/2 100-1041_3-5616961.html []

Re:Complete with (2, Interesting)

jsfetzik (40515) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408836)

I just hope the new Comcast DVR's are basically Series 3 Tivo's with a Comcast label. Then it would be worth paying Comcast $5-$10 a month for a DVR.

Re:Complete with (1)

MegaZone (684924) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408905)

TiVo is porting their software to the Motorola 6412 platform, as well as a 'new' Motorola platform that hasn't been specified yet. (Perhaps one of the new DVR cable boxes they announced at CES today.)

Re:Complete with (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14408945)

Tivo has a potentially bright future:

Tivo also has a patent lawsuit against Dish Networks that takes place in March. Some analyst are saying there is a high probability Tivo will win this one.

Tivo also sold out of product on Amazon (made it all the way up to #7 in the top 10 holiday electronics sales list.) Subscriber base is still growing.

IPTV and internet content will probably make TiVo a great convergence box for those who don't want a PC next to their TV.

Comcast is paying Tivo to port its software to the OCAP platform, where it will be able to run on half a dozen DVRs. Tivo gets a small subscriber fee and Tivo and Comcast split revenue from Tivo's advertising search service.

Tivo? (1, Insightful)

Life2Death (801594) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408652)

Appears that I might look into tivo now, since it finally caught my interest!

Re:Tivo? (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408687)

Because they have a Series *3* HDTV DVR? IIRC, the current generation of their HD DVRs are expensive (unless you are a new DirecTV customer and you can get them for $299). They lock you into a least a year of service now, they are not doing so well in their main market due to various bad business moves and heavy competition from Cable DVRs, and their customer service has begun to severely suck.

I had a standalone unit and due to the possiblity of commercials during fast-forward and their poor customer service (plus the fact that I got a free DirecTivo with a free year of receiver charges) I switched.

Re:Tivo? (1)

stecoop (759508) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408757)

It is hard to imagine that one-day these problems will be but a memory. I hope someone really rolls out a legitimate TV over IP so not only can I watch what I want but also I can get what I want when I want it. Even with two tuners I could miss a couple of shows. Or worse, look at season of 24; if I want to watch the entire boatload in one setting I would have to keep the shows for nearly 6 months on my drive and then watch it. Yeah I could burn them to DVD or just rent the DVDs (which is what I did) but the problem still exists that I want it at a certain time so even TIVO can't quite fill the void. I rent a lot of TV shows that are on DVDs; if a TVoIP comes out like SBC and Verzion are ramping up for, then I am getting that system if it is something like a on demand system.

Woo Hoo! (2, Interesting)

kennedy (18142) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408659)

About freakin' time TiVo!!!!

I love my series 2 and all, but honestly i've really been itching for the cable card based series 3 units since i've heard about them.

Hooray for dual tuners in a non-dtivo! hooray for easy expantion too! i just hope these badboys don't cost as much as the hd dtivos...

Re:Woo Hoo! (1)

Kosmatos (179297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408835)

About time, yes.

I use a Scientific Atlanta model 8300 which does all this already. Cost approx. $US 425.

Re:Woo Hoo! (1)

skeletor935 (790212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408970)

I also have a Scientific American HD recorder cable box thingy. Mine can record two shows at once, have extra hard drives attached to it, can record and play back HD content, and it was FREE from Time Warner Cable... well, $10 bucks/month, but I'll call that the high definition cable fee.

Re:Woo Hoo! (1)

NickCatal (865805) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409290)

I have the same thing.. if you go hunting around you can get the upgraded version of the HD one... I am using it with my Standard Definition TV but I get the 80Gigs of recording capacity (which is great for SD) and 2 shows at once... It's not the TiVO interface, but it's damn good...

Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty! (5, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408664)

I have a Tivo, and while I know I could build a MythTV I like the "near idiot proof" nature of the little box so I can let my wife use it to tape her shows (American Idol) while I tape my shows (MythBusters) and our shows and then had to hunt for a USB compatible network device, all I could think was "WTF? Why not spend $10 on Ethernet?"

The other thing I'm very pleased about is the inclusion of the Cablecard option - this gives Tivo a chance to complete with cable boxes - though local Cox has let people know that while you can use the cablecard, it won't be able to get movies on demand.

Ah, and I was so hoping to see "Deuce Bigalow: European Gigalo". Somehow, I think I'll survive. WIth the ability to plug in external drives, this has seriously upset my plans to convert my spare PC into a Tivo replacement once the service on the current box runs out in October.

Of course, there's always the possibility Apple will introduce something - but if they do introduce a PVR/Media device, I'm going to expect it to have the same capabilities down to the cablecard that this new Tivo does before I consider it.

Eh - I'm patient. I have 10 months to wait and see.

Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (3, Insightful)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408749)

I'm not quite sure what your point is. I have a series 1 Tivo (Sony unit from the year 2000). It has 100BaseT ethernet. I bought the ethernet card and plugged it in. No problems.

Incidentally - why does everybody feel the need to list the TV programmes they like to record? It's like music stories - with those people always seem to like to post the "artists" they like. Why? It's a waste of space.

Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (5, Funny)

suprchunk (782952) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408917)

Incidentally - why does everybody feel the need to list the TV programmes they like to record You know I always wondered about that too. You don't see me running around telling you what kind of toilet paper I use (Charmin) or anti-perspirant I use (Arid). Maybe there should be a study done on this kind of behavior. But I have a feeling they have no friends and are trying to make some on the net by spouting out shows that seem to be popular with all the other losers.

Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (3, Funny)

halr9000 (465474) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409106)

You insensitive clod, I use Secret.

Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (1)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409158)

I have a series 1 Tivo (Sony unit from the year 2000). It has 100BaseT ethernet. I bought the ethernet card and plugged it in.

I had a couple of Series 1 boxes too, and bought the ethernet cards as well.

They're 3rd party accessories that were hacked onto the proprietary expansion slot inside S1 TiVos. There is no such expansion slot on the S2s, and I doubt there is on the S3s. They cost $70 vs ~$10 for a USB adapter and aren't trivial to install (not horribly difficult, but if you're not comfy opening your computer and replacing parts then stay far, far away from opening up TiVos). The last software release on a S1 TiVo was a couple years ago, so you cannot get any of the latest features -- there are hacks available to replace some of those features (and add others), but those hacks are available on the S2s now as well -- plus you get a vastly faster unit and the updated software.

That's what the point is.

I very much agree with the OP -- it's about time they added an ethernet jack. Having to use a USB dongle was silly. It's good that they kept the USB ports though, since a lot of people will want wireless.

Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409267)

I didn't know that about the S2's. Thanks. External adapters are silly - who wants a set-top box with things hanging off it?

Fitting the card is hardly difficult. You'll spend more time finding the right screw driver to remove the three (four?) screws on the back, and then trying to figure out how to make the top cover slide back without damaging it. Oh, I guess you have to widen a hole at the back to make enough room for the RJ45 to slip through. This is half-an-hour work... the OP was suggesting building a MythTV box - that sounds far more time consuming.

I can't say I miss any of the features of newer Tivo software revisions. Then again, I'm in Canada and so have to run a Tivo service emulator anyway.

Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (1)

Fishstick (150821) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409376)

>I'm not quite sure what your point is.

The Series 2 I just bought has USB only, no ethernet. I had the same WTF reaction when I went to hook it up. Only thing I can think is it provides some flexibility for wireless vs wired?

I just went and googled for a minute or two and settled on a Netgear FA120 10/100 USB 2.0 Adapter. Plugged it in and TiVo found it right away -- couple screens later and I had configured it with a static IP and was ready to go.

I've got (probably) the same Sony S1 -- I got it second-hand because the modem was bad and the guy had already opened the case to add a second drive and couldn't return it. Had to fiddle with PPP over serial to get it activated, though. Best $30 I ever spent!

>why does everybody feel the need to list the TV programmes they like to record

I don't know -- maybe because they feel it reveals something about their personality they want others to know? What's the big deal? ;-)

I like MythBusters too!

Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (1)

foxtrot (14140) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408871)

Eh - I'm patient. I have 10 months to wait and see.

I've got even longer; I don't expect to be able to justify the cost of this monster 'til it drops down into a range slightly closer to what I paid for my current standalone unit, especially since my lifetime subscription on the standalone unit's not transferrable. (It's not that I don't yet have an HD monitor yet-- the big reason I don't is because I've been waiting for affordable HD Tivo. :) )

One of the things I love about my current Tivo is Tivo-to-go. I wonder if this new monster will support that?


Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14409015)

Again, if you look at the pics in the article (there's really no excuse, they have mirrors all over the place) you'll see a screenshot of TivoToGo being used on the Series 3.

Galleon is even better than Tivo2Go (1)

Bruzer (191590) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409185)

I thought Tivo2Go was cool until I found this source forge project Galleon [] . It can do everything the Tivo2Go program can do and more. Which means it can transfer video to your PC, play mp3s [] , view photos [] from your PC!

One of the key features it has is the ability to put shows BACK [] on your Tivo. But that feature doesn't impress my friends as much as the email [] viewer, the movie [] listings, and the weather [] forecasts. I realize that MythTV has some of these features, but this improves the fun you can have with Tivo.

I am sure the slashdot crew could find even more interesting uses for this application (RSS feeds). And since the application supports plugins you can write you own Tivo apps.

I also appreciate that Tivo ALLOWS this kind of things on their box. They could be all "closed source" and shut programs like this down. They hold Tivo Developer Challenges to find more useful ways to use the Tivo. They know when people have hacked their Tivo and added a larger hard drive but choose not to shut them down.

I can't stress it enough. If you have Tivo, and you have a computer take a look at Galleon [] .

Re:Galleon is even better than Tivo2Go (1)

jcorno (889560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409381)

I put shows on my Tivo all the time. They put out the feature in a software update a few months ago. At the bottom of "Now Playing" it has my computer, and I can transfer files from a folder in "My Documents" (I think it's "My Tivo Files," or something like that). They just have to be in MPEG-2 format, which the .tivo files already are. You can even watch them as they're transferring.

Re:Ethernet! Finally, for the love of the almighty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14408931)

though local Cox has let people know that while you can use the cablecard, it won't be able to get movies on demand.

From TFA:

The unit has two CableCARD slots on the back and it will support Multi-Stream (CableCARD 2.0) or Single-Stream (CableCARD 1.0) cards.

Now, those cards that do not support Video on Demand are the 1.0 spec cards; if you don't believe me then go ahead and crawl the damned Opencable site like I did for a whole day. And if you don't believe that, believe Wikipedia [] :

The new CableCARD 2.0 standard supports high definition digital cable and two way features such as Pay-Per-View, Video On Demand, and advanced electronic programming guide information.

That's what's really exciting about this box. Scientific Atlanta and Motorola watch out; people will be dumping your boxes en masse.

It's about time! (5, Insightful)

jmp_nyc (895404) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408665)

As I recall, Tivo unveiled their first prototype of a cablecard enabled, HDTV capable DVR at CES 2 years ago. I would have been ready to buy such a creature at the time.

Obviously, the current model looks leaps and bounds ahead of what they originally put forth. I love the display on the front that shows what both tuners are recording. (Although no more sneaking recordings of shows my wife doesn't know I watch, and doesn't think I have time for.) However, I can't help but think that they missed out on a significant piece of the market as people have resigned themselves to using cable company provided DVRs for HDTV. It doesn't help that cablecard implementation at most cable companies is still pretty buggy, and not used widely enough to get debugged thoroughly too quickly.

My bet is that this unit will succeed or fail (and the company with it) depending on how much marketing muscle Comcast puts behind it as part of their alliance with Tivo. Of course, I'm still likely to buy one, as the HD-DVR Time Warner provides for me is horribly buggy...

Re:It's about time! (5, Informative)

MegaZone (684924) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408701)

Actually one year ago. The first time they showed a CableCARD box was CES2005. They had a very early prototype running, and at the time they said it would be out in mid-2006. They're still following the same course.

OK (0, Offtopic)

Artie Dent (929986) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408682)

Yes, but does it fly?

Ethernet? USB? (4, Insightful)

penguin-collective (932038) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408690)

It's nice that it has Ethernet, but can you do anything useful with it or will it be heavily DRM'ed?

What about the data on the USB disk--is it encrypted or is it readable and usable MPEG files?

Re:Ethernet? USB? (-1, Redundant)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408792)

Stupid moderator.

It's nice that it has Ethernet, but can you do anything useful with it or will it be heavily DRM'ed?

What about the data on the USB disk--is it encrypted or is it readable and usable MPEG files?

Re:Ethernet? USB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14408858)

Stupid poster(s). Could you please tell us exactly which USB disk you're even talking about? There's no mention of USB disks anywhere in the article. SATA, yes, but not USB.

Re:Ethernet? USB? (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409181)

Stupid moderator.

Relax. It was only one moderator, and as you can now see, someone usually comes along and moderates things back up.

Just repeating the post verbatim dosen't help the moderation process.

Re:Ethernet? USB? (1)

syle (638903) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408832)

Most likely it will be exactly like the Series 2 DVRs -- You can copy recorded files from it to your computer, but need the special TiVo Player to watch them.

Re:Ethernet? USB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14408887)

Thanks, you just saved me some cash! I won't bother with getting a tivo if I can't use mplayer.

Re:Ethernet? USB? (1)

Darthnice (591865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408947)

Special like Windows Media Player? Or Media Player Classic? Or WinDVD?

With the magic of DirectShow Dump [] any player that can read MPEG2 can be used, and that includes burning to DVD.

Re:Ethernet? USB? (2, Informative)

Fishstick (150821) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409211)

No, you can watch them with WMP, but you supposedly need Sonic MyDVD to burn them . As someone else pointed out, you can use freely available utilities to "unwrap" the .tivo files into straight mpeg that you can then do with as you please.

Maybe you are thinking of TiVo Desktop -- the app they provide to let you download the shows from your TiVo? You don't even really need this (though it is nice), you can download through your browser if you find out the url.

<i><url: goryID=85>

TiVoToGo Webserver Url's
Here are some of the known Url's for accessing content on your TiVo. (This only applies to TiVo's with the TiVoToGo update.):
https://<TIVO-IP-ADDR>/nowplaying/index.html (username:tivo password:<your media access key>)
http://<TIVO-IP-ADDR>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryCon tainer
https://<TIVO-IP-ADDR>/TiVoConnect?Command=QueryCo ntainer&Container=%2FNowPlaying

Re:Ethernet? USB? (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408899)

Considering the pictures show the option to transcode your recordings for use on a PSP, video iPod, or Windows Media Library, I'd assume it would pump out the transcoded files via the ethernet port (wow, takes so much brainpower to figure this out). DRM'd? Possibly, but since it transcodes, not necessarily. Watermarked? Most definitely. Also, there is no USB disk.

Wait and see. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14409161)

The DealDatabase guys will get one of these, and they'll see if (actually to what extent) it can be hacked to turn off the DRM and enable file extraction/networking. Then we'll know. Don't buy one until then, if those things are important to you...

Re:Ethernet? USB? (5, Informative)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409250)

t's nice that it has Ethernet, but can you do anything useful with it or will it be heavily DRM'ed?

With current S2 TiVos you can do quite a bit with the ethernet -- play MP3s, slideshows, get weather/traffic/movie times and tickets/etc (the interface is open and extensible), transfer recordings to a PC and back (PC includes Windows, Mac, and Linux; although for the latter two you probably need to run Galleon [] ), transfer MPEG2 video to the TiVo (and maybe MPEG4/H.264 w/ the Series3? It's not clear yet), and various other stuff.

As far as the video that's exported goes -- it's in a ".tivo" format which is a loosely containered MPEG2 video. It's completely trivial to strip off the outer layer and get to the real data beneath it. And it looks like the new TiVo Desktop software will even offer transcoding to a number of alternate (DRM'd) formats as well. But really, it's a joke to take off the TiVo DRM, or to just play it from a standard MPEG2 capable video player (it's designed to allow you to do that). Yes, you can play it in mplayer.

What about the data on the USB disk--is it encrypted or is it readable and usable MPEG files?

It's SATA, not USB, but that's a minor nit. The data is not in straight MPEG files -- it's on TiVo's proprietary FS. That was figured out [] long ago. But if you can simply download the stream to your PC, there's little reason to futz around with the drive -- especially since you cannot be assured that the entire video is stored on the external drive (it may be, but it may also cross drives; the article states this).

$150 Rebate (1)

iamweezman (648494) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408691)

Well that could explain the huge rebates that have been coming out lately on all their existing products. After an announcement like that most consumers would be willing to wait for the product to come to market than buy one of their existing products.

Unfortunately I decided to take advantage of the savings and try out a new Tivo system for the first time. A new product such as this though will most likely grow their userbase even more because of the ease of use created by the added features.

Does this mean a new Tivo Home Media Engine? (5, Interesting)

us7892 (655683) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408696)

It's been fun dabbling with Tivo's HME. Getting Google Maps on my Tivo via my desktop PC, playing with newsfeeds, etc. This site has some interesting HME Apps listed, []

Now, with the new Series 3 Tivo, what will developers really be able to do with a new HME...or does Tivo have little interest in opening up more to the developer community?

Re:Does this mean a new Tivo Home Media Engine? (1)

MegaZone (684924) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408716)

HME will continue to expand in capabilities incrimentally. There are a number of planned features for it, but TiVo isn't talking timeframe yet.

Re:Does this mean a new Tivo Home Media Engine? (1)

rackman (724476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409281)

My personal favorite for HME is Galleon. It crates all the normal apps with more usefull ones like controlling ToGo from the TIVO. No more must I sit at my computer to start a show copy I just tell the Tivo ToGo App and contacts the box to pull it off. Plus it runs on anything that will run java. It's a sourceforge project or was when it started! []

Broadcast flag? (3, Insightful)

Ixne (599904) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408723)

Does this allow you to record two HD shows at once, only to have to delete them after 90 minutes?

Re:Broadcast flag? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14409056)

your setting off my gaydar, matey

TiVo no longer fits my needs (1, Troll)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408724)

I take it they still want me to pay $400 for a lifetime subscription or $14 per month? Yet, not allow me to export my recordings without using their proprietary app? No, thanks. I'll stick with my v500 []

I disagree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14408783)

Unless Elgato has found a way to crack QAM encryption of most cable tv shows worth recording, then this is your own solution.

Re:TiVo no longer fits my needs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14408791)

$400? try $250 dumbass. and the monthly fee is $12, not $14.

Shouldn't let facts get in the way of a half-baked rant though, right?

fucking linux hippy.

Re:TiVo no longer fits my needs (1)

dontEATnachos (611276) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409167)

It costs $300 now for a lifetime subscription and $12.97 a month for the monthly one. I just got a Series2 for Christmas. I have purchased the lifetime at the moment, but I think I may have to cut it back to a monthly so that I can upgrade to the new one and not feel like I'm wasting the extra $150 I spent on service for the other one.

Re:TiVo no longer fits my needs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14409204)

easy cowboy

$299 for 'lifetime' (product lifetime) and $12.95 (basically $13 /month)

So the first guy was $100 off and $1 off. This is not meritous of your comments.

Re:TiVo no longer fits my needs (1)

Globby (764317) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408909)

And what proprietary app? Haven't you figured out the https server running on each TiVo series 2 yet?


Re:TiVo no longer fits my needs (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409160)

Don't you get it? Hes never ever touched a Tivo and just bitches about things he heard from a friend who heard from a friend, etc, etc... Whereas those of us who know a little more know that we are a simple https login away from being able to download via the Tivo's built in https server. No hacks needed.

Re:TiVo no longer fits my needs (2, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409333)

And what proprietary app? Haven't you figured out the https server running on each TiVo series 2 yet?

I'm with the grandparent. Elgato devices ship with software called "EyeTV" that is about as easy to use as a Tivo, but has a lot more functionality. I've used both systems and I went with the Elgato paired with an old mac when I had to choose for a number of reasons. I like to archive shows. EyeTV exports to dozens of formats, including presets for burning to DVD and to fit on iPod Videos. It also includes a simple editor, that even my girlfriend figured out in minutes, that makes it easy to edit out commercials and anything before or after the show. Adding more storage is as easy as adding drives (internal or external) to the mac and there is no DRM. I never have to worry that the provider will decide I can't keep a a show (unlike Tivos). I can just copy my files to my laptop for trips and use any player I feel like. I can edit out pieces of them to include in my own videos, or for presentations because it is all in open formats, like mpeg-4. The remote actually has the skip ahead button working by default (and skip ahead and back are configurable). Finally, With the Elgato solution I can pick my choice of scheduling providers. Instead of paying $14 a month, I just use a free, ad banner supported service and if I'm unhappy with them I can switch, because I'm not locked into on provider.

I like a number of features of the Tivo and having it all in one box is a great feature. The UI is nice, and using it is fairly easy. I don't, however, like all the proprietary lock-ins, lack of choices, and I just don't trust the company. They have made more and more choices that seem to benefit the cable providers more than the end users. That makes sense for them, as a business, since the cable companies are their biggest customers these days. It also means I can't trust them to do what is in my best interests as an individual customer. I chose an Elgato device and have not regretted it. Several of my friends who use Tivo have expressed their jealousy for the functionality they are missing.

Trade-in program (3, Interesting)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408738)

That's what I hope to see...a trade-in program. I'd happily turn in my 2 Series 2 DVRs for a discount on 2 Series 3. Sure, TiVo can't reuse the parts but maybe they can sell them in 3rd world countries where even cable TV is a gift from the gods. Or since the TiVo is just a Linux box they can change the software a little to make them educational and donate them as a tax write off. Who wants a $100 laptop when you can get a TiVo plus "Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing" (though it may be difficult to master with the peanut shaped remote)?

Great! (2, Interesting)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408809)

Any markets support CableCard yet?

I guess its just living in Canada, which sometimes sits in the stoneage when it comes to certain technology. TIVO has never been available up here, only what the monopolies Rogers (Cable) and Bell(Phone/Satellite) see fit to offer us Canucks.

While Rogers PVR features 2 input recording and is mostly a decent device (the Acientific Atlanta Explorer 8300), I really wish for more competition in the PVR/Digital Cable box market, allowing me to select more robust solutions like DVD/HDD recorders with support for digital cable and HDTV content.

Sony was, I believe, the first to offer CableCard support in their televisions, but I think that Rogers or Bell are so far way from releasing their tight grip of control of digital cable that Canada won't see a cable card solution for at least another decade. In the meantime, some dumb Canadian is paying $1000 more for a Sony TV with a feature they will never use. We are still waiting for even a TIVO like solution where we can subscribe to a third party service for cable recording.

I hope this new Tivo product is hugely successful in the US (as I am sure it will be). Given how much US technology and television market influences Canadians, perhaps if the CRTC (Central Repression of Technology for Canadians) starts getting more complaints about the anti-competitive behaviour of Rogers and Bell and the fact TIVO has never gotten a foothold in Canada, I am sure huge success of a CableCard supported device like this new TIVO will drive Canada to adopt the technology and open up the market sooner rather then later.

In the meantime, after paing $400 for a featurless Rogers PVR and $5/mth to support PVR capabilities on the device, I guess I have to be a good Canadian and ignore my repression and apologize for my bitching.

Re:Great! (3, Informative)

MegaZone (684924) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408893)

TiVo works in Canada now. The service officially added Canadian support several months ago, but the hardware doesn't have a retail presence there yet. You can import a Series2 from the US and subscribe it in Canada no problem.

Re:Great! (2, Informative)

doormat (63648) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409110)

In the US, the FCC has required cable companies to suppot cablecard 1.0 as of last July. Cablecard 2.0 is required starting sometime in 2008 or 2009.

Re:Great! (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409168)

Most do, if not all, but it sometimes takes a few calls to the cable company to get someone who a) knows they do and b) knows how to get it for you.

I've had one for over a year in my TV.

But does it have commercial skip? (0, Troll)

Goldenhawk (242867) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408921)

But does it have commercial skip?

I've been a very satisfied owner of a DirecTV UltimateTV reciever since they first came out. About a year ago we got a Tivo for my live-in mother-in-law (since you cannot buy new UTVs anymore). We were very unhappy to discover that Tivo killed the commercial skip feature (at least, without resorting to a hack that is lost every time the power blinks). And the Tivo's maximum fast forward speed seems quite slower than the 300x UTV forward speed.

The commercial skip feature, in my opinion, makes the UTV far nicer than the Tivo. It just works, and it means I don't have to see ANY of a commercial, instead of watching some Tivo-imposed advertisement superimposed on my fastforward thru another advertisement that I also didn't want to see in the first place.

Re:But does it have commercial skip? (1)

MegaZone (684924) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408972)

I've always used 30 second skip on my TiVos, and it works well for me. If your power blinks often enough that it is a problem resetting the toggle - you have bigger problems. Electronics don't like that - get a UPS and both problems are solved.

You are talking BS. (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409055)

Tivo hasn't enabled the "Tivo-imposed advertisement superimposed on my fastforward thru another advertisement that I also didn't want to see in the first place." yet, and no one knows if they even will.

And how often does your power blip out? Just punch in the code and your back with your commercial skip.

Re:But does it have commercial skip? (1)

DCheesi (150068) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409103)

ReplayTV got sued to death over their commercial-skip; if UTV had lasted, I expect their skip would have gone the way of the Dodo rather than risk similar litigation (especially now that M$ is playing nice-nice with the studios).

TiVo protected itself by playing ball, which is why it's still around. Too bad about the broadcast flags, though...

Re:But does it have commercial skip? (2, Informative)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409191)

Tivos still ship with the comercial skip. My Series 2 has the 30 second skip and you just need to enter select, play, select, 30, select. On many Tivos you can change 30 to whatever you want (60 is nicer, but my Series 2 won't allow that sadly).

Re:But does it have commercial skip? (2, Informative)

dotdevin (936747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409316)

Series2 units still have the 30 second skip. And, it rocks, if I may say.

You do have to hit Select-Play-Select-3-0-Select after your TiVo reboots due to a service update. This happens to us about 2-4 times a YEAR so it is no problem.

If you are having issues with power you should really get a UPS for your Tivo (and likely the rest of your AV equiptment). It will save you a lot of money in the long term as power dips, drops, and spikes will fry a computer rather quickly.


DirecTV putting out cablecards? (2, Interesting)

phildog (650210) | more than 8 years ago | (#14408968)

I understand DirecTV is switching from Tivo to homegrown DVR stuff sometime in 2006. Does anyone know if there will be a cablecard supporting DirecTV this year? If so, I could just stick 2 DirecTV cablecards in this new tivo and not have to suffer through DirecTV's crappy DVR attempt (yes, I'm pretty confident their homegrown DVR is going to suck).

My HR10-250 is getting installed tomorrow. But I hate how DirecTV is stripping all the cool HME options from their Tivo-powered boxes. So to me this upcoming series 3 Tivo powered by DirecTV would be a killer TV product.

By the way, $600 is NOT the going price for the DirecTV HDTivo if you are a good DirecTV customer, see this thread [] for details on getting that price down. My cost was more like $200 after rebates and service credits. I'm fully expecting this device to be obsolete within a year, but to me it is worth it for $200.

Re:DirecTV putting out cablecards? (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409179)

I'm sure you're already aware of this, but your device will be outdated very soon. DirecTV is switching their HD content over to MPEG4, which the TiVo unit can't handle. The question is how long they'll continue delivering MPEG2 HD content...

Are people so addicted to media? (2, Funny)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409009)

That they will shell out $DOLLARS for one of these behemoths? So you can record the Superbowl and Desparate Housewives at the same time? So you can wire it into your home network, and have instant access to all of the DVDs and CDs that you bought and carefully ripped to your home terabyte SAN? Do people no longer read books, play Uno, or throw frisbee with their dogs? Go to neighborhood bars to watch sports games?
I don't see it. Of course the geek factor is high, so it will likely be talked up much on Slashdot and in some circles, and eventually, Joe Walmart will buy them when they have to upgrade their TVs else they fall behind, but is there really a compelling reason for this? We're SWIMMING in media these days, barraged by content, and look at the results - dumbing down of everything, even the Discovery Channel, kids with no reading or writing skills, no attention span, etc. etc.

Re:Are people so addicted to media? (2, Insightful)

barfy (256323) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409077)

Absolutely. Not because I am addicted to "media". But because I enjoy media, but it absolutely has to be on my terms. I have to be in control of when and how I watch it.
You see this as some low value item that provides little benefit to you. Don't buy one, and you now what, I don't really care. Enjoy whatever it is that you do. But as a person that enjoys his TiVo, and has for years, it is wonderful to be able to find my whatever time during a week, and the "media" that I want to watch is sitting there waiting for me, and it really didn't take too much work to make that happen. Media sucked when I had to be there at a certain time. Media sucked when I was there, there was nothing on. Media doesn't suck anymore.

Re:Are people so addicted to media? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14409139)

People in glass houses [] shouldn't throw stones.

Re:Are people so addicted to media? (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409198)

So you can record the Superbowl and Desparate Housewives at the same time?

That'd be a pretty nifty trick, since I don't believe that ABC will be broadcasting them both at the same time...

Re:Are people so addicted to media? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14409216)

If you've invested in cable, you've got a monthly charge for programs that you will almost never see since they're not broadcast when you happen to be watching. With a DVR, you easily pick what you want to watch so that you watch it *when* you want.

For me, that means during de-compression time after a long trip, or on a rainy day, or nighttime after the kids are in bed. The shows I watch are the ones I'm interested in, rather than "whatever's on" which is often lowest common denominator material during my viewing hours.

I get more value from my cable subscription, so its well worth it to me.

Re:Are people so addicted to media? (4, Insightful)

gr8_phk (621180) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409239)

"We're SWIMMING in media these days, barraged by content"

That's why some people love TiVo. Most of that media flood is crap. TiVo allows them to select what they want to see and view it when they want instead of being some kind of slave to the TV. This doesn't make TiVo the best solution.

Personally, I think people should drop cable altogether. All the local channels are broadcast in digital, and each cable company carries a different subset of them. The arguement that all the good stuff is on cable is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you'd drop cable and make the broadcasters compete (and increase their market share) they'd start picking up good shows and the quality would increase quite a bit. TiVo would not be needed to sift through it all. Best of all, people wouldn't be paying monthly for any of it.

I don't need cable to watch Desperate Housewives or the Super Bowl - both of which will be in HDTV across the nation over the air. You want to record? Get an HD3000 or Air2PC card and dump to hard drive, convert to DVD (reduced quality), use across your network, whatever. It's amazing to me that the public has decided it's normal to pay to watch TV programs that have already been paid for by advertisers.

OTOH, People pay for bottled water and complain about the price of gas. WTF?

Re:Are people so addicted to media? (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409251)

You do know that Discovery Channel has split into multiple channels, and all the good science stuff is still there, right? On the other ones?

Clown alert... (1)

Ransak (548582) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409050)

The color scheme for that remote has got to be the ugliest thing ever. It looks like the Ronald McDonald special edition remote.

Here's to hoping that isn't the final color scheme...

Yeah but when can we buy it? (1)

Luscious868 (679143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409071)

Remeber the whole Tivo2Go fiasco last year? How long after it was announced did it take for Tivo customers to actually get access to the feature. I'm impressed by the specs but it probably won't be available for sale until 2007.

Series 1 (1)

SimonJNicholson (879045) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409072)

I'm still stuck with my series 1 Tivo - we didn't even get the Series 2 Tivo's over here in the UK! I won't be holding my breath for these new series 3's ...

My only complaint with TiVO (2, Interesting)

British (51765) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409095) the blasted latency.

I was lucky enough to be given a TiVO(forgot the series), hacked to 80 gigs, and Ethernet,etc. While it is nice to be able to pause live tv, the only thing I didn't like was the latency with pressing buttons on the cable box.

You try to punch in 040 and you get 0 4 2 seconds later showing up on the TV. I would say 60% of my channel changes were unsuccesful due to the cable box's timeouts. I thought the batteries were bad in my remote control. So I bypassed the tivo entirely, and it switched channels just fine, nice & fast.

Is there a way to turn off "pausable tv" and just push the video straight through? I can live without it. I just wish when I did a plain(ie not scheduled) recording it didn't stop after a half hour. BTW I have no tiVo service. Just using it as a VCR.

Re:My only complaint with TiVO (1)

DCheesi (150068) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409232)

It sounds like you don't have the TiVo set up very well. In most cases there are multiple versions of the same cable-control profile for a given cable box, which differ by command speed. Sounds like you picked the slowest option without trying the faster ones? The idea is to get the one that's fast enough to tolerate (and get all the digits in), but slow enough that the box doesn't miss any digits.

Of course some cable boxes are better supported than others, or simply interoperate more/less reliably; so YMMV.

My new HDTV (5, Interesting)

tacokill (531275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409116)

I just took the plunge to HDTV the other day. In setting all this up, I would like to pass along what I have learned thus far. It has been an interesting trip, to say the least and I have learned that there is a LOT of hype around HDTV that is probably not quite warranted yet.

I subscribe to basic extended analog cable. I get locals plus standard cable content (Comedy central, lifetime, etc). No premium channels. I have this cable feed running through my Series 1 Tivo and from the Tivo, into my A/V receiver - which outputs the picture only to my TV. In this mode, the TV is essentially a monitor.

I also have a PC w/ Meedio hooked up to this. I used to use the S-video to an old analog TV and that worked ok. Once I hooked it up to my HDTV (TV has PC/VGA in), words can not describe how much of an improvement that makes. The PC has a Soundblaster Live! on it and digital optical out to the A/V receiver....more on that piece later.

The 3rd device I have is a DVD player (Philips DVP-642). Audio is coax digital. Video is components. Both Audio and video feed into my A/V receiver. My receiver has components in and out to the HDTV.

Now that you have an idea of the setup I use, let me lay out some issues I have run into that the Tivo3 may simplify.

1. Of all the devices I have hooked up, my PC w/ Meedio looks the best. And so do all of my downloaded movies and shows. Most of the rips I have are in HDTV and that seems to be the standard nowadays. Why is this important? Because the old "downloaded videos sacrifice quality" no longer holds true. It may not be as good as upscaled DVD's but it is MORE than reasonable.

2. My soundcard sucks. The optical out only outputs stereo sound. I think it will pass through Dolby and DTS but who cares -- that's what my DVD is for. THIS IS A VERY BIG DEAL IF YOU WANT SURROUND SOUND out of your PC. Get a card that can output 5.1 on the fly. As I understand it, most Creative products ONLY output stereo through the digital out. (note: they may "pass thru" DTS/DD but that is different). I wound up ordering a Turtle Beach Montego. Haven't set it up yet.

3. There is very limited HDTV content available. Over-the-Air (antennas), I can pick up all the major networks. Another alternative is to go w/ DirecTV -- but if you subscribe to them, you only get about 2-3 extra channels (I don't count preview channels, etc) more than an antenna. For Dish, its a little bit better -- you get about 4-5 extra channels. Same with Cable. The Point: Each of the above costs an extra $10-$15/mo. And for that, you get at most, 4-5 extra "real" channels that you couldn't get by just sticking an antenna behind your TV.

4. I just ordered a CableCard from my provider (Cox). This allows me to keep my standard "analog" cable that feeds my Tivo while at the same time, allowing me to view the 5-8 HDTV channels that are available. If I had a Tivo3, I could just slap that card into my Tivo3 instead of using my Tivo 1 (for analog) + HDTV tuner on TV set. The Tivo 3 will record whatever you throw at it (HDTV, standard digital, analog, etc) in one nice, neat, little box.

I hope this is helpful to people. There is a lot to think about on how to set things up and these are the major issues that I ran into. I think the biggest disappointment I see is the lack of HDTV content. Just go look at the HD offerings from Dish or DirecTV and you will see that it is very minimal. Perhaps that will change with time but I definitely have that "pay more for less" feeling with respect to my cable/sat bill.

So, if you want to record HDTV, you have the following options:
a) Build a PC w/ HDTV card and use an antenna (unless your HDTV capture card supports CableCard)
b) Build a PC w/ HDTV capture card and use the cable company's Cable box to tune. Note: consider the remote control implications if you choose this. Changing channels = change channels on Cable box.
c) Use the cable companies HDTV DVR (@ $15/mo from Cox. YMMV)
d) USE A TIVO3 w/ CableCard (simplest, easiest, hopefully cheapest)

Hope this helps others who decide to take the plunge.

You SUCK!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14409159)

Oh sure....I haven't even had my brand spankin' new Series 2 Tivo DVR for 2 damn weeks, then you have to go announcing version 3.

Requirements and accoutrements (2, Interesting)

bobpence (450461) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409205)

Two questions:

(1) Does it still require a landline telephone connection? I have a cable modem for Net access, useful for remote programming, but like many others have dropped the (otherwise) unnecessary landline.

(2) Does it offer, either plainly or through a simple hack, the 30-second commercial skip? The DVR from my cable company allows dual recording while I'm watching another recording, so foregoing the 30-second commercial skip seemed a small cost.

But if the Series 3 drops the landline requirement and offers the commercial skip, as well as records two programs as noted in the posting, it might make sense to get when I upgrade to HDTV.

Re:Requirements and accoutrements (1)

mark0 (750639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409301)

Even the series 2 machines don't require a landline anymore. 7.2.1 has broadband setup now. Some with older software were still in the pipeline during the holiday season, but many folk got TiVos with the new software on it.

Re:Requirements and accoutrements (3, Informative)

raygundan (16760) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409366)

They haven't required a landline since Series 2, and all the previous tivo iterations, including the directv model, have included a short remote-control code to enable 30-second skip.

And to head off the question, yes, even the initial setup on a Series 2 can be done via broadband, but only with *supported* USB ethernet adapters. Wireless can't be enabled until after setup, at least with v3.2. I think v4.0 of the software supports more adapters out-of-the-box, so it depends a little bit on which version you get in the package.

GB-PVR (1)

Timberwolf0122 (872207) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409258)

The thing I love about my homebrew system is itcan be upgraded with a new HD PVR card when HD finaly get to the UK there is also the added advantage that it is very easy to add another drive to increase the storage plus i can listen to internet Radio and watch Movies in glorious 7.1 THX certified sound with no monthly fee!

I would of expected only the lazyiest slashdotter to have not built their own PVR!

I can't wait for those to be available (2, Informative)

assantisz (881107) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409261)

Right now I am using TWC's DVR box and it sucks donkey arse. The user experience is horrible. The only good thing about the Explorer 8x00s is the dual tuner and the price ($8.95/month). Now with those babies coming out from Tivo I will ditch the DVR in a heart beat.

My dream setup: two CableCARDs into a Series 3 Tivo, and one simple non-DVR box from Time Warner. That way I can keep my OnDemand stuff and I can record two channels at the same time on Tivo. I wonder, though, how much I will pay TWC for triplicating the service for me. The CableCARDs are $1.75/piece/month (here in NYC).

Sounds great, but is it too late? (5, Interesting)

Yeechang Lee (3429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409265)

This thread proves once again that Slashdot needs a (-1, Cheapskate that won't ever buy anything their mommies don't give them the money for, but will whine endlessly for it to be free anyway) rating.

Ahem. I bought a Series 1 TiVo box in June 2000, later upgraded it myself to 200GB (the absolute most space available at the time), and happily bought a lifetime subscription. (The sort of idiots here who whine and complain about the horrible, awful TiVo subscription fee has always been around and always will; please ignore them.) However, five years later my box sits in the closet. In part it's because a drive died, but it's mostly because, yes, I built a MythTV box.

I *didn't* built a MythTV box because of:

* The subscription fee. See above. I always felt I got way more than my money's worth from TiVo; heck, were I to sell my box on eBay it'd still be worth a few hundred dollars due to the lifetime subscription.
* A desire to export TiVo recordings to elsewhere. I never quite understood the fascination people had and have with decrypting TiVo's file system and exporting programs to elsewhere. If anything I wanted my TiVo to act as the portal through which I could view my video library.

I built a MythTV box because I wanted to:

* Bring programs *into* the box, not out of it. MythTV lets me view all my videos and DVD images in a nice, neat, format that resembles the directory hierarchy they are stored in.
* Record HDTV programs. Thanks to two cable boxes and two FireWire cables, I can today record two HD programs simultaneously.
* Have plenty of storage space. MPEG-2 HD programs take 7GB/hour. about 10 times more than TiVo's about 700MB/GB on the lowest-quality standard. With MythTV I can use NFS (or, in my case due to mysterious performance issues [] , Samba) to put all the recordings I want on my 2.8TB RAID 5 array [] . From the description it sounds like the Series 3 TiVo will have an Ethernet jack, but a) it's likely to be 100Mbps--likely to be problematic in real-life conditions when recording two HD programs and watching a third at the same time--and b) who knows what type of external storage the box will ever support in practice.

That's it. No, I really don't care about MythTV's themability (Why, oh why, do people focus on themes in free software so much? Don't they realize that 99% of them look eye-meltingly awful--Kids, raytracing is, like, *so* 1995--and don't do a thing to fix any underlying usability issues with the application?), MythWeather, MythGame, MythPhone, etc., etc. Hey, they're nice, but I'd give them up in a flash to fix the last niggling bugs in mythfrontend (Geez, folks, what *is* up with the "displaying OSD in some recordings consistently crashes mythfrontend" bug in 0.18.1? Linus used to call such issues "brown bag" bugs, as in bugs in Linux kernel releases so showstoppingly bad he wanted to wear a brown bag for letting it loose into the world.) and the annoyances (some pretty colossal) in MythVideo's Video Manager module. If TiVo Series 3 manages to robustly support external filesystems (I have *no* problems with some sort of encryption scheme here) *and* let me view my preexisting videos through the elegant TiVo interface, I'm there. (Especially if TiVo kindly offers us longtime lifetime-subscription owners free upgrades.) I am, however, not waiting for these things to occur; there's TV to watch, and record, today.

Where are the ReplayTV users? (1)

AceyMan (199978) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409287)

I have had a ReplayTV (2nd Gen) for a couple of years now (purchased during the 'Green Sticker' fiasco, look it up). They say the Tivo's are easier to use, but I honestly can't see how much easier a GUI needs to be. Also, opinions (at the time, at least) were that the ReplayTV had a better picture. And it had Ethernet built in (which I can't use since my den isn't wired, but thats my problem).

Also, Tivo from what I read, is hurting financally. ReplayTV got acquired by Denon's parent company, and therefore has better backing to make it through tough times, plus maybe just better management in general.

I want my ReplayTV HD so I can take the HD plunge (I really enjoy my buddies 56" Samsung DLP :).

TiVo is dead (2, Interesting)

caudley (632164) | more than 8 years ago | (#14409372)

Maybe if they started shipping these units today they would have a chance at saving themselves. But they're not going to have them ready for another 6 months at least?

They announced HDTV support for early 2006 at last years CES, and that was insanity. How can it take one year, much less two, to develop HD TiVo when the capability is (was) already available through DirecTV. By the time this box ships, the DVR market is already going to be firmly in the hands of the cable companies. Most of the market is going to accept a lesser box for $5.95 a month rather than wait around for the privilege of owning an HD TiVo for $12.95 a month. And thats assuming you believe the TiVo will actually be available this year. Last time we heard from TiVo (they haven't said a word about HD for a year), the HD box was supposed to be available *now*.

I bought TiVo when they first came out, and I've given half a dozen as gifts. At this point I won't waste another dime on them.

My 2006 prediction, TiVo will be bought at an extreme discount by a CATV company, the technology cherry picked for their own products and the TiVo name taken, but otherwise the TiVo will be gone.

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