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First Blu-ray Movie Titles Announced

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the just-pick-one-and-run-with-it dept.

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JorgeDeLaCancha writes "Sony Pictures Home Entertainment and MGM Home Entertainment have recently announced the release of the first titles on the Blu-Ray media coinciding with the Blu-Ray hardware release in the spring. Some of the films to be released include classics such as "The Fifth Element" and "Robocop" to more modern films such as "Black Hawk Down." Other corporations, such as Fox, have announced similar plans."

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Oh Jeah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14418902)

FP for Jason!!

Wow. (2, Funny)

Gothic_Walrus (692125) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418909)

I think that this might be the first time that anyone, anywhere has called Robocop a "classic."

Re:Wow. (1, Troll)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419089)

Ditto to "The Fifth Element". That thing was a travesty of science fiction.

Re:Wow. (2, Insightful)

LadyVirharper (804893) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419126)

I enjoyed the Fifth Element. Most TV/Movie Sci-Fi out there tries to be serious, but ends up being so stupid it's funny. The Fifth Element was purposely hokey, and somehow ended up being freakin' cool. Probably because it didn't take itself too seriously, so the parts that had something to say shone through, instead of drowning in accidental bullshittiness.

Re:Wow. (1)

quintesse (654840) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419141)

Agreed, I think it positively brilliant, especially the way Bruce seemed to be the only "normal" person in a world full of freaks and caricatures.

Re:Wow. (-1, Troll)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419136)

Or, for that matter, "the fifth element". Seriously, this was one of the worst mass-produced pieces of hollywood crap ever, and I really expected more from Luc Besson. Something like this from the man who brought us movies like "Subway" - I was shocked.

Screw 'em. (3, Insightful)

Morky (577776) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418912)

Until there is a combo hd-dvd/blu-ray player, they can take their discs and go pound salt.

Re:Screw 'em. (3, Insightful)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418956)

Let me expand on that.

Until there is a big enough screen affordable to the regular user to make content like that clearly better than content on a DVD, they can continue pounding salt.

Re:Screw 'em. (2, Informative)

agraupe (769778) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419062)

Well, I'm not sure about DVD quality, but on television (especially football games) I notice a clear difference between regular and high-def. What do you make of that?

Though I do agree that the quality difference isn't enough to re-invest in all my movies.

Re:Screw 'em. (1)

A beautiful mind (821714) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419070)

"Well, I'm not sure about DVD quality, but on television (especially football games) I notice a clear difference between regular and high-def. What do you make of that?"

Just like you do between DivX and DVD on a PC, but the screen is limited by pixels and we are limited by our eyes/brain and while you might have noticed the regular -> high-def jump, high-def to ultra-high-def might not be equally noticeable.

Re:Screw 'em. (2, Informative)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419197)

DVD's are not high-def. Granted, DVD's look good, but they're not high-def. Here's the number of pixels per field [wikipedia.org] for each type of media:

  • DVD (ntsc): 172,800 pixels (widescreen or not, it's always the same)
  • 720p: 921,600 pixels
  • 1080i: 1,036,800 pixels
  • 1080p (though this is rarely supported in next-gen disc formats): 2,073,600 pixels

So that's at least a 5-fold increase in number of pixels per field. If you compare a DVD to a Blu-ray or HD-DVD of the same movie side by side, on a TV that can at least display 720p, you're absolutely going to be able to see a noticable difference.

Re:Screw 'em. (1)

chris234 (59958) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419077)

Given that you can get LCD TVs in the 32" range for less than my 27" SD set was 10 years ago, I'd say we're already there.

Re:Screw 'em. (1)

NewKimAll (923422) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419001)

I agree. I think I can wait until the end of 2006 for HVD. Then we can get ALL the Paul Verhoven and Luc Besson "classics" on a single disc (and maybe more). Of course, when have you ever known any technology company that actually meets their proposed release dates? I bet HVD isn't made public at a reasonable price until 2007 or beyond.
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No PS3 for you then? (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419006)

Well, while you may not want a PS3 there are a few million people thinking otherwise - and they'll all be able to view these discs.

Furthermore, even if you have a non HD TV might you not be interested in the extra exttras the additional space allows for on Blu-Ray discs?

I'm not saying there are a lot of titles on that list I'm willing to spring for... but I will probably re-buy a few selected things and I know I'll enjoy renting them on Netflix (who I assume will be format neutral in this war and rent both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD).

Re:No PS3 for you then? (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419018)

Furthermore, even if you have a non HD TV might you not be interested in the extra exttras the additional space allows for on Blu-Ray discs?

Are you talking about the extra material on the discs? Have they even planned for this to be even more than on current DVD's, besides being in HDTV format? If you're talking about additional space useful for recording on the other hand, I have to wonder whether combo drives or recorders will come first, and when they'll be affordable.

A little of both (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419115)

I am assuming there will be more content on HD-DVD discs, we'll see how that pans out though. It could make renting movies nicer as often the extra disc is a separate rental on Nexflix today whereas with more space we might see more movies once again include features on the main disc. There are some featureless movies that I am convinced are that way because the studio did not want to press a second disc, so we may see more movies come with extras that otherwise might not.

As for recording, I think we'll see them pretty soon and that's what I'm really looking forward to. Even if 50GB discs and recorders are more expensive (and they sure will be to start with) the ability to use one disc in place of ten DVD's makes the extra cost worth it. The only question is if the combo will be cheaper than simply buying external drives and dumping out to them, though even then discs are nice because they take up so much less space and can be mailed easier.

Re:A little of both (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419163)

Why is it that everyone mistakenly thinks we're suddenly going to get all kinds of extra content on these larger discs. Sure the first-gen discs hold about 2.5 times the amount of data that convention dvds do bu HD video (mpeg2 compressed at 28mbit) takes up to 3 times the data to store. THAT is why studios need the extra spcae. You won't be getting all three LOTR movies on one single layer or even double layer disc in HD. In Even with newer codecs like h.264 you are only going to get about 3-4 hours per layer.

Re:No PS3 for you then? (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419193)

You mean all that extra crap they make me pay for when all I want is the fking moving? That is why I don't buy DVDs now even though I have a DVD player at home and my laptop is perfectly capable of playing movies. Paying $20 just because they felt they could put a movie on 3 discs with the filming crew jerking each other off while commenting about how great a job they THINK they did isn't my idea of well spent money.

Travesty! (3, Funny)

DarkClown (7673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418917)

Not a single lindsey lohan movie listed!

Re:Travesty! (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14418931)

at least you can still jack off to leelo (did i spell that right?) in that nice white outfit ...

Re:Travesty! (1)

TheLoneDanger (611268) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419058)

I agree, isn't the whole point of higher resolution movies to allow people to count the freckles of celebrities they are obsessed with?

Re:Travesty! (1)

Criliric (879949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419121)

Not a single lindsey lohan movie listed!

I think the lack of Pulp Fiction is more reason to cry than lack of Herbie

Classic. (3, Insightful)

six11 (579) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418921)

the Fifth Element is from 1997, and it's already a "classic?"

Re:Classic. (1)

Mixel (723232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418990)

Parent> the Fifth Element is from 1997, and it's already a "classic?"
Zorg> I know
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Re:Classic. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419035)

the Fifth Element is from 1997, and it's already a "classic?"

Article submitted by a 12 year old, most likely.

Re:Classic. (1)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419066)

Yes. The Fifth Element is classic in my book for the ample bussoms of Milla Jovovich being seen on the big screen.

But this does pose a problem; to buy HD-DVD (Serenity), or Blu Ray (Fifth Element).. decisions decisions.

Re:Classic. (1)

cloak42 (620230) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419131)

the ample bussoms of Milla Jovovich

Well, first of all, it's "bosoms". :) And secondly... what exactly about Milla Jovovich's bosoms is AMPLE? :D

High Definition Milla Jovovich? (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418922)

Sweet! Count me in for Fifth Element!

Seriously though, I still would need to buy a decent HDTV and the player first. That's a lot of dosh, especially to look at Bruce Willis' face in HD.

(and yeah, I probably spelt her name wrong, like I care)

Re:High Definition Milla Jovovich? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419064)

her nipples are HUGE

Re:High Definition Milla Jovovich? (1)

JohnnyLocust (855742) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419137)

"The Fifth Element"

Strangely enough, the first DVD I ever purchased. Milla Jovovich in Hi Def? I'm gay, and I still know that girl's hot!

5th Element a Classic? (0, Redundant)

Thanatopsis (29786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418924)

The film was released in 1997 [imdb.com]. It hardly qualifies as a classic.

Re:5th Element a Classic? (1)

Jare (790431) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418971)

In the context of movie buying, which became mainstream with the arrival of cheap DVDs after 1998, yes it is. If you were a sci-fi fan starved for DVDs, 5th Element was one of the first you could buy. Odd how our brains work huh? Blu-Ray coming out now means that DVD as a mainstream home movie format is going to effectively last around 10 years only! No f*g way I'm buying all my movies again.

Re:5th Element a Classic? (1)

Ingolfke (515826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418991)

Any movie w/ Milla Jovovich should be in the criterion collection... instant classic!

By some definitions... (4, Informative)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419015)

I would wager that no single movie has had more digital releases than Fifth Element. From normal DVD to Bitstream to other special ediitons, it seems like a new version arrives about twice a year.

I liked it a lot but also have trouble thinking of it as a classic science fiction movie in the same way Aliens is a classic... but it is pretty unique and it has a lot of elements that show off sound and video features quite well.

Re:By some definitions... (1, Redundant)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419179)

I would wager that no single movie has had more digital releases than Fifth Element. From normal DVD to Bitstream to other special ediitons, it seems like a new version arrives about twice a year.

It's all about supply & demand...

Demand = see Milla's boob [celebritym...rchive.com] flashes [celebritym...rchive.com] in higher and higher resolution.
Supply = re-re-releases.

Just imagine how much improved this post would've been with HDTV links, and it's easy to explain what you're observing!

Umm... (0, Redundant)

mudetroit (855132) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418926)

Does the 4 year difference in release between The Fifth Element (1997) and Blackhawk Down (2001) really mark the difference between a classic and a modern film?

The vicious cycle (5, Insightful)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418934)

Now that everybody's re-bought their favorite movies on DVD, let's move on to the next format! Call me a cynic, but I don't think the average person wants to do this yet. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the average person has had a DVD player in their home for less than five years.

Re:The vicious cycle (1)

AaronLawrence (600990) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418979)

I'm a movie fan with a projector that would make high-def worthwhile, and I buy a fair number of movies. Even so, I would only buy the very best, and most *visually impressive* movies on high-def. For me that might be LOTR, Blade Runner and perhaps a few others. DVD would suffice for most of the rest. That doesn't sound like much of a market...

Re:The vicious cycle (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419059)

I'd be pleased with a decent DVD transfer of Blade Runner at this point...I take it that ultimate edition dealie is never gonna see the light of day?

Re:The vicious cycle (2, Informative)

Vinnie_333 (575483) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419098)

I take it that ultimate edition dealie is never gonna see the light of day?

Lot's of legal issues on that one. I'm waiting with bated breath myself. Here's [brmovie.com] a page that's tracking the (little) progress that is made on it. Guaranteed sales, don't know what their problem is.

Re:The vicious cycle (1)

carlislematthew (726846) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419158)

From what I've read, it is possible (and has been demonstrated), that Blu-ray discs can be made that also have regular DVD layers on them. I believe the blu-ray layer is underneath the regular single/dual DVD layer(s). So, you put the disc in a blu-ray player and watch the HD version with special Java wonderfulness, or you put the disc in a regular DVD player and watch the normal DVD stuff.

Assuming that this production process is not that much more expensive (disc production, after all, is not a significant part of the purchase price), I'm hoping that Blu-ray discs become the norm. In addition, the vast majority of movie studios are behind Blu-ray, perhaps partly for the reasons I mention above. For blu-ray, it's a built in upgrade carrot. Even if you're a late adopter, by the time you consider buying that $35 Circuit City Blu-ray player in 2010, you've already got a collection of 50 blu-ray movies you didn't even know you had!

*Yawn* (1)

GWSuperfan (939629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418943)

It looks to me like Sony went with the "shotgun" approach with the titles to be released, with at least one title for every type of consumer. I'm not sure how well this will work, since if there aren't enough titles that I want, I'm not gonna buy into the new format. I think they'd be better served to pick a market segment that is likely to be early adopters (i.e. Geeks) and release titles which that target segment is likely to want. Until then, I'll stick to the XViD movies on my 1.25TB array :-D

Picture quality of Robocop? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14418948)

Hmm.. I can only wonder if Robocop was filmed with decent quality equipment to justify having it on blue ray disc. It's very old movie - it was made in 1989. Isn't it kinda like putting .mp3 files on DVD audio disc? It doesn't make any sense.

Re:Picture quality of Robocop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419016)

veorhoven, baby. i'd buy that for a dolla

Re:Picture quality of Robocop? (3, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419024)

I can only wonder if Robocop was filmed with decent quality equipment. . .

It's called "film."

It's very old movie - it was made in 1989.

It's called "recent."

Isn't it kinda like putting .mp3 files on DVD audio disc?

It's called "capacity."

It doesn't make any sense.

Ahhhhhhhh, it's called "troll."

IHBH

KFG

Re:Picture quality of Robocop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419054)

Robocop does have some fuzzy 2FPS model fx shots. In modern terms, the other robot looks like crap.

It would be interesting if it was digitally redone or something, but I can't see the original being all that exciting in hidef.

Re:Picture quality of Robocop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419074)

Most of Robocop and its effects were shot live straight onto film, that should look good when scanned, cleaned and color adjusted but there was this other robot... it was a superimposed stop motion animated piece of plastic. That would look even more awful in HD and destroy any suspension of disbelief.

But if the stop motion robot has been replaced with a LOTR quality 3D animation it would make it a must-have upgrade. Most viewers stunned by the theatre release must have been disappointed by the obviously fake clay like scenes on the DVD.

Re:Picture quality of Robocop? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419185)

1987. But otherwise, yeah, I agree with you. Older movies aren't the best display of newer technology.

Most movies that are this old don't even get the 5.1 treatment. They were usually filmed in stereo.

ROBOCOP VS TERMINATORRRRR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14418952)

Wait, doesn't MGM have rights on the first Terminator?

Does this mean Robocop beat Terminator?

Film Buffs unite! to ignore Blu-Ray (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14418954)

So. The major studios have finally gotten around to releasing real classics on DVD (no, not Fifth Element or Robocop) and now they want a new format. How long will it take to see a Cary Grant or Katherine Hepburn movie on Blu-Ray? The vast majority of truly good movies were made more than 30 years ago, and those are always the last movies to make it to a new format. How many film buffs are really excited about this new format? If The Fifth Element and Robocop are counted among the "classic" movies available on the new format, I'm guessing zero.

So the only early adopters will be the same gadget hungry geeks who invested in Laser Disc players. We all know how well that worked out. I'm really looking forward to watching this fall on its face.

Re:Film Buffs unite! to ignore Blu-Ray (1)

yattaran (898911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419080)

Great comment! I'm looking forward to seeing Captain Blood and The King's Thief and all those great movies on Blu-ray, but I guess I'll have to wait at least 5-10 years until we see those released on blue-ray. Many of those old great real classics have even yet to be released on DVD!

Re:Film Buffs unite! to ignore Blu-Ray (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419140)

Captain Blood, in fact, was released just last year. (While Ilsa the Wicked Warden has been out for ages. It's not a fair universe.)

HA! (5, Funny)

big_groo (237634) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418955)

Whaa? New discs from Sony? Sign me up!

Re:HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419146)

Awesome!

I hear the rootkit hidden in the 5th Element kicks some serious ass! Rumour has it they brought D34th-BR1NG3R out of retirement to code it for them! Ebert & Roeper gave it two thumbs and said the firewall evasion was "totally exhilerating". And my friend Bob found the hidden backdoor in Robocop, he said it was so well-designed, it brought tears to his eyes. He can't wait to invite his friends over to see it take over his system in real-time.

Anyway it's good to see Sony putting out some quality malware. It used to be, you had to go to eastern Europe or Russia to get really good malware, but it was all in Russian, and it didn't hide itself properly from antispyware, and just crashed your player randomly, instead of at well-chosen poetic moments. Don't get me wrong, the best 'ware still comes from overseas, but sometimes you don't want to send email to shady characters or hang out in cryptic IRC channels to get your trojans and worms.. you just wanna swing by Best Buy and get it shrink wrapped and ready to go. Thanks Sony!

"Nearly 50" HD-DVD titles also announced (5, Informative)

MojoStan (776183) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418958)

I think both sides of "the war" should be represented. Among the HD-DVD titles available at launch:
  • The Matrix
  • Batman Begins
  • The Bourne Supremacy
  • Aeon Flux
  • Jarhead
  • U2: Rattle & Hum
There are many articles about HD DVD/Blu-ray titles on Google News.

Robocop != Modern? (1)

Eravnrekaree (467752) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418959)

Fifth Element and Robocop arent "modern"? The contributor must not realise that the history of film entertainment does extend beyond the 1980s. Metropolis, Wizard of Oz, etc, those are considered classics.

Re:Robocop != Modern? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419160)

keep in mind you need something that will play to the strengths of the new format

fifth element was also released in a superbit version for this very reason (which I was disappointed to see very few movies released in as the quality difference is pretty substantial)

especially with older media (read old film stock) all you end up doing is accentuating the flaws and deterioration unless you do a major restoration job, which costs the kind of time and money that don't lend themselves to early releases meant to pique interest in the new format

Stealth is on the list (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14418966)

Stealth? Come on, I don't care what the format is. I don't think there will ever be a market for that movie. The only way they would be able to get anyone to buy it is by hiding it on one of the other dvd's as $sys$Stealth.

Sadly (2, Informative)

hsmith (818216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14418973)

The Sony BLU-RAY movies will require you to give your first bone as collateral to ensure you won't "file share."

nothing pissed me off more than buying the family guy dvd and having them tell me that it is bad to share movies. THANKS FUCKS, I JUST PAID $12.99 FOR THE FUCKING DVD.

Re:Sadly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14418999)

I just bought a dvd movie, only to have a few minutes long video propaganda telling me that piracy/filesharing is a crime and the worst is that it is non skipable on normal standalone dvds.

These things actually makes me want to download copies instead, just so that i dont have to watch minutes of propaganda crap.

Re:Sadly (1)

ZackSchil (560462) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419003)

I had my first bone a very long time ago, and even if had I waited, I'm not sure if I'd want to give it to Sony. They'd probably work me over with their root kit until I cried.

Whoop de doo. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14418984)

Nothing in that list makes me want to rush out and replace my TV, my DVD player, or my DVD collection. Especially since I don't get any credit for a tradein of any old titles that I may already have in DVD format, nor for my old TV or DVD player.

And that's without considering that I live in a fairly small place; my TV is a 54 cm 4:3 job. Does HDTV come in screens that are no taller than that? Something deep inside me says "probably not".

Now, if Warner were to remaster and re-release Babylon 5 in HDTV format (remaster meaning, amongst other things, cleaning up all the obvious glitches in the existing DVD sets; redoing the CGI so it's at a resolution appropriate for HD; fixing the points where the audio and video are blatantly out of sync; and so on), I might be interested. Even then, it'd only be because of the improved quality of picture by virtue of the cleaning up -- there are times when the DVD quality is little better than a VHS tape. It's the same story: there is very little coming out of Hollywood these days (I'm lumping the TV studios in with the movie studios; the same points apply) that really interests me.

Re:Whoop de doo. (3, Insightful)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419043)

I think Babylon 5 looks better on VHS than on DVD.

Seriously, they filmed that series with two cameras, a semi decent one that made the sets look a bit plasticy, and something they found in a dumpster. Watching the DVDs you can see the different cameras in use, scene to scene, cut to cut. Decent. Grainy. Decent. Grainy. And they always put the decent camera on the men, and the grainy character on the women. Unforgivable.

It is the last series I would have thought about putting on HD media. Indeed most TV series until the last few years probably haven't got that much resolution.

Also redoing the effects would be an act of sacrilege. You might also get killed by rabid Amiga fans. Video toaster and Lightwave man! 30,000 polygons for B5 itself. Woooo...

Sadly, 90% of the content out there isn't good enough for a bloody iPod video resolution, nevermind HD.

Great! Now use the capacity to fit more on 1 disc! (5, Informative)

Hobart (32767) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419002)

I'm more interested in hearing when they start packing full seasons of standard-definition content onto a single disc that they can sell for a reasonable price, instead of the >$100 prices that some sets have been going for. (I.e. $338 for CSI on Amazon [amazon.com])

With H.264 encoding allegedly taking up half the space of MPEG-4 ASP/DivX, which itself takes up roughly 1/7th the space of MPEG-2 DVDs (assuming a 650M CD DivX holds the 2hr content of a 4.5GB movie) -- that's 28 hrs of content on a 4.5G DVD, or 140 hrs of content on a 23GB BD disc!)

...and since this is Slashdot, I should mention that if you pick up a BluRay player or buy MPAA movies, you should take up Lessig's challenge [francl.org] and donate an equal amount of money to the EFF... </obYRO>
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Re:Great! Now use the capacity to fit more on 1 di (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419030)

The cost of the discs has little to do with the cost of a box set. If they put a whole season on one disc and charged $2 less for it, people would complain that the cost per disc is too high. And releasing SD content on an HD disc creates another SKU for little benefit.

Re:Great! Now use the capacity to fit more on 1 di (1)

EvilMonkeySlayer (826044) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419048)

I'm more interested in hearing when they start packing full seasons of standard-definition content onto a single disc that they can sell for a reasonable price, instead of the >$100 prices that some sets have been going for. (I.e. $338 for CSI on Amazon [amazon.com])

Don't count on it, it's the profit motive. I can guarantee you with blu-ray/hd-dvd you'll still get a few episodes per disc and they'll still charge you a small fortune to get entire seasons. Same with the special editions and re-releases of old films, they'll re-release them and still charge a fortune even though they've recouped the cost of making the film a thousand fold. It's capitalism.

Re:Great! Now use the capacity to fit more on 1 di (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419123)

...even though they've recouped the cost of making the film a thousand fold.

You obviously haven't seen the ledgers of the movie industry. They've been running in the red since the 1600s. It's a wonder they're still managing to limp along after all this time.

Re:Great! Now use the capacity to fit more on 1 di (1)

mattcurrie (192138) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419049)

Do you really believe that less discs will equal lower prices? I think you're forgetting who you're dealing with.

Re:Great! Now use the capacity to fit more on 1 di (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419116)

Do you really think the cost is that high because of the manufacturing cost of the dvds?

Let me guess, im sure you also believed with the arrival of DVD bands would release one-DVD compilations for a much reduced price, right?

Smart consumers will stay out of the standards war (1)

99luftballon (838486) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419014)

The Blu-Ray/HD DVD standards war is going to cause a lot of problems as consumers are smart enough to stay out of it. Everyone with a few brain cells to rub together knows about the VHS/Betamax struggle and know that the best technology doesn't always win. Since DVDs work fun for all but the most anal film buff I think most people will hold off on buying players. Overall Sony has the edge, it is building Blu-Ray drives into the PS3 and that install base should give them the edge.

Re:Smart consumers will stay out of the standards (1)

carlislematthew (726846) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419188)

Although I partially agree with you, I would add that CONTENT is what will really win it for Blu-ray. *If* the majority of movie studios were on the side of HD-DVD (which they are absolutely not, BTW), then it wouldn't matter if Sony sold a billion PS3s - HD-DVD would still win.

Future problems? (2, Insightful)

EvilMonkeySlayer (826044) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419022)

I think the movie studios (tv etc) are going to start hitting a wall soon.
Think about it, after hi-def what comes next? (and don't say internet distribution etc only, people want things they can actually own in their hands)
First it was video cassettes, then dvd and now hi-definition.. each with a definitive quality increase over their predecessor. Now however with high definition they've pretty much hit the wall, people don't need or won't want to buy super-high-deluxe-definition unless they've got a projector which projects the video onto a ridiculously large area.
It will reach a point where it'll be "good enough", you can already see a lot of people commenting about how they don't see the point of hi-def dvd (which people will eventually go over to) when dvd suits them fine.
The human eyeball can only see so much.

Re:Future problems? (1)

aaron_ds (711489) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419086)

It is my opinion that high dynamic range video is poised to replace high definition video in the distant future. Of course, HDR video requires and HDR capable viewing device, so all of the present day HDTVs would have to be replaced just as color replaced B&W and HD replaced LD. Personally, I'd rather watch a LD HDR stream than a HD LDR one. Just don't point the camera at the sun! ;p

No Fight Club? Booo!!!! (1)

MickoZ (852382) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419025)

Oh and my 2 cents... Too much format is bad. Sure openess, etc. is cool, blah blah... but having one true good format really has a big advantage, especially for mass and stuff for consumer. It is easier to have only one player, only have worry for one format that is good. Heck VHS is still not that bad (beside one of my friend that refuse to watch movie on VHS, kinda dumb IMHO ;-)) I have not done any research nor will I know how to answer that question, but to encode it at the best format (?) what will be the capacity needed at first? When we answer that, then maybe it worth changing of format (or I guess later we will need something more, like all language on one media, etc. then maybe there it will worth having a new one, etc.). At less, I don't think I will buy in if there is too much format. It is like those DVD-R stuff that I never get into yet (I'm archaic now...) -- there was 2 format, now 2 format war again. They should work hard to settle on one format, even if that mean making an hybrid. Make one thing good for the mass. Enough said.

Re:No Fight Club? Booo!!!! (2, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419094)

The reason we keep having format wars is the licensing.

The people who own the DVD specs make a ton of money. Even better than a ton of money though, is a yearly stream of license revenue.

You get money from the hardware mfgs and money from the content people. The content people have to pay a license to get that little DVD logo you see on the packaging. Ditto for the hardware guys, but they also have to license whatever fancy encryption scheme you're using.

It is all about the licensing revenue. It is a long-term money maker and is pure profit.

Re:No Fight Club? Booo!!!! (1)

MickoZ (852382) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419139)

I see... so if it was just a format everyone put their will together, without thinking of the revenue, then there will be more chance to have one.

It is a like a certificate you have to pay. And what if I don't want to put the DVD Logo just to save some buck? It will still be a DVD? hehe... goddamn...

Capitalist is good (competition, the best win, etc.), but sometime it sucks too. I guess anything has pro and con ;-)

Little desire for new DVD standard (2, Interesting)

CyberSnyder (8122) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419026)

I have very little desire for a 60" plasma TV at home which is where I would notice any improved quality. Any new DVD standard will certainly come at an increased price. Anyways, I buy far fewer DVDs now than I used to. The prices continue to creep higher and with Comcast Digital, I wait for most movies on PayPerView. There very, very few titles that I watch more than once.

Wait a while (2, Insightful)

yattaran (898911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419037)

I'll wait until someone cracks the copy protections on these systems. Hopefully someone clever figures it out quickly. I'm not sure Blue-ray or HD-DVD will survive though. I'm certain the copy protection systems are going to kill the usefulness of both systems.

I read a while back about a new system much better than both Blue-ray and HD-DVD, but I cannot remember what it was called.. (the name of it started with the letter n). Anybody knows anything about this?

I suspect will see the whole DVD history all over again. First we'll get these 25GB discs, then we'll get 50GB discs and of course the first Blue-ray player won't play anything but 25GB discs so we'll need to buy a new player. Then we'll get 100GB discs and we'll need both a new player and a burner.... then there will be discs only compatible with some players and some burners etc.. then there will be discs with 2x speed, then 4x, 8x, 16x and we'll need to upgrade firmware or buy new players/burners again. In 2007 the new 8 layered Blu-ray discs will be out with 200GB capacity, and we'll need burners capable of burning these as well as players for playing these monster discs.

I'll admit I don't know much about these new formats, but I'm looking forward to making backups of my half TB of live shows in FLAC format! :-)

Re:Wait a while (1)

99luftballon (838486) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419099)

One of the things the media companies love about the discs is that to an extent copy protection won't be as important. Because the media will be designed for high-def TV the files are going to be huge. That makes a substantial disincentive to file sharers since the files will be so large to download the casual downloader may not bother. In time, with fasteer network access, this will change but in the meantime they'll have less of a problem with privacy.

Re:Wait a while (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14419166)

Only in the USA.

I am an American living in Japan, and I get a 100mbit here connection for the same amount I paid for a 4mbit cable connection.

Downloading huge files is not a problem in many countries.

Bring on the HD!

Wait (3, Insightful)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419072)

Why buy those movies now on Blu-ray, give it half a year and then they will come out with the directors cut, special edition, 3 Blu-ray set.

LOL, Ladies and Gentleman, the next Laserdisc (5, Insightful)

AudioEfex (637163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419108)

I actually loved LD, but the hard facts of the matter are that it didn't catch on with the mass market because they were satisified with VHS. The jump from VHS to DVD was much more profound for the average viewer than DVD to Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. So, it's not an insult for me to say it's going to be the next LD - I'm simply saying that it's going to remain the domain of early-adopters and techies, and by the time the general public is ready for any new format it will be superior to either of the new DVD formats.

The other truth of the matter is, for most intents and purposes, the average person has never exploited how good DVD looks in the first place. They use S-video at best. An anamaphoric-enhanced DVD release (as most theatrical DVDs have been since the 90's), on a progressive scan DVD player with component inputs on a widescreen TV looks damn good. Better than most people will ever wish to have in their home.

The big mistake all of the movie companies are making is that they think we are all itching for something new. We aren't. We don't care. Very few people care about this technology. We'll be well into the next decade before we start lamenting that Wal-Mart is carrying more Blu-Ray/HD discs than DVD. The studios and certain techies keep throwing numbers out there, telling us all what we are supposedly missing...and the joke is going to be on them when these things hit the market with a resounding thud.

Re:LOL, Ladies and Gentleman, the next Laserdisc (1)

Detritus (11846) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419169)

Wasn't LD expensive? That's what I remember, large discs that cost a fortune, plus an expensive player that couldn't record. Then there was a format war with RCA to confuse the issue.

I expect Blu-Ray or HD-DVD to eventually catch on when HD displays become the norm. I doubt you will be seeing very many CRT-based TVs being sold two or three years from now.

Another fine selection of launch titles (1)

hwyengr (839340) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419113)

Looks like Sony picked another bunch of great titles to launch a new format. Such launch titles for SACD included: The Bangles - Greatest Hits, Keb 'Mo - The Door, The Sopranos Soundtrack, Toto IV, and Train - Drops of Jupiter. They sure know how to pick 'em!

renting? (1)

matva (944100) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419117)

I how long it will take until i am able to rent hd titles through something like netflix.

1080p (2, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419138)

What I think is more interesting than the list of titles, is that Blu-ray is showing discs of content encoded in 1080p. Sony seems to be pushing that fact. I think this is rather significant, as this is the biggest difference between the two disc sets that would be visible to the consumer. Blu-ray may hold a bit more and use menus based on Java instead of MS's little language, but the difference between 1080i and p is a noticeable difference. Considering they both have basically the same draconian DRM (and DRM will never get better 'till we get a law), this should be significant.

After all, at any resolution, progressive looks better than interlaced because you have twice the data. Makes pans and other motion smoother, more detail, etc.

Too bad you have to buy a very expensive (right now) TV to watch 1080p. But Sony is pushing it with the PS3. 1080p Video games (if they deliver that) and 1080p video.

I still think Blu-ray will win. While this is a definite plus for them (I assume HD-DVD could do this, but I haven't heard of any of the movies or players being able to), if you combine this with the increased storage capacity, the soon to be massive installed base (the PS3), and the availability (within a few months of HD-DVD, and more importantly: before Christmas)... I think things are getting better and better for Blu-ray to win.

It is too bad the NIH syndrome is so big that the two groups couldn't suck it up and make one format. They didn't learn from Beta, I guess. And now that they have a VERY popular entrenched format (DVD) to compete against where Beta didn't (no previous home-video recording equipment), things don't look good on the whole.

Blu-ray will win. It will be a hollow victory. They will beat HD-DVD, but they will only beat DVDs because the studios will stop producing them/selling them. I don't think ANY high-def format is strong enough to take over DVD without resorting to cheating within the next 5 years, at least.

But that depends on the price of HDTVs. If they stay too expensive, then there is no point. If prices crash, then bring on the high-def movies at home.

And kiss theaters further goodbye.

Re:1080p (1)

AudioEfex (637163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419171)

"but the difference between 1080i and p is a noticeable difference."

...To a very small minority of consumers.

Sure, if you take Joe Bob off the street, put him in front of two identical monitors, and sit there and point out the differences...I'm sure he'd "notice" a slight difference.

But, does it matter? And the answer is, it doesn't, not to most people. DVD is a great format, with still more potential. Have you ever noticed that the press right now talks just about the 4.7GB single-layer discs. When was the last time you bought a single layer disc commercially from a film studio? They are on miniumum DVD-9's for most films, although DVD-18 is expensive and not totally perfected, it still exists within the normal DVD standard.

As I said in another post, most people are not even watching the DVDs they already have to their potential. No list of specifications, no "super-extra-super-special" internet special feature, is going to trump the fact that most people are completely satisfied with DVD. They also haven't solidified how the draconian DRM is going to be executed - if even some of the best case scenarios take place, they are going to be more of a deterrent than anything. Do you want control of the discs you buy? I don't know about you, but I'll never buy a player that could concievably tell me I can't play my discs in someone else's player. And neither will the vast majority of the public.

It's the next LaserDisc. I've had a DVD player since late 1996, I've had a Laserdisc since the late-80's. I'm usually an early adopter, but this time I can't see myself buying any of these players for at least 3-4 years. To the average consumer out there, who has just finally embraced DVD in the last couple of years, this is all going to look like Greek to them; they are going to look at their copy of "The Fifth Element", and an HD-copy that costs twice as much, and just shake there head and walk out of the store. It will be years before the average person even has HDTV, let alone needs some new format to watch on the system.

Re:1080p (1)

BushCheney08 (917605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14419175)

Something to keep in mind about 1080p is that most of the current crop of sets that are being touted as 1080p capable don't actually have a 1080p input. Someone mentioned on here a few days ago that during their research they only came across a single set had a 1080p input. Otherwise, they apparently take 1080i sources at 60 frames and output them as 1080p at 30 frames. I'm sure this will change in the future, but we're in the very very early days.
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