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An Interview With 2old2play's Doodi

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the never-too-old-to-play dept.

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vinnie2k writes "This is an interesting interview with the founder of 2old2play.com. In it he discusses the future of gaming for older people, why we need communities like 2old2play, and how the gaming industry needs to refocus its efforts on the games it makes. Cool insight and worth the read for any older gamers."

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238 comments

Old gamers? I must be ancient. (5, Insightful)

XorNand (517466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442704)

WTF? Since when is anyone over the age of 25 an "old gamer?" Now, Old Grandma Hardcore [blogspot.com] is an old gamer.

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (2, Interesting)

incubusnb (621572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442740)

I'm 25 and as far as my Dad is concerned, 16 is too old to play Games. He still doesn't accept my hobby and asks me on several occasions when I plan to get rid of my consoles. I just tell him i'm getting a few more soon, to which he grunts and tells me to grow up.

People just don't understand.

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442784)

Your dad is an idiot.

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443050)

no, your dad is right. grow the fuck up.

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (1)

incubusnb (621572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443211)

You know what? Even after being told that hundreds of times by my Dad, i've decided that based on the comment that this anonymous coward posted, i'm going to discard everything in my life that has anything to do with video gaming and get a real hobby... perhaps complaining about "Kids these days", or going to Bingo...

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443293)

As long as screen entertainment isnt your only hobby and you dont make it a lifestyle, you are fine. Lots of us made this mistake only to regret it later. The woes of the ex-otaku.

Get some physical hobbies, like hiking, sports or construction. Diversify!

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (2, Funny)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442849)

maybe he wants you to get rid of the stuff so he has more room around his house.

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (1)

incubusnb (621572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442863)

I don't live with him, I have my own house
I pay for everything I own myself. which is just one more reason why he should mind his own business about what I spend my money on

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (2, Insightful)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443041)

I used to get the same thing. I also used to get accused of doing nothing but playing on my computer when I was working on programming assignments for college if I was at their house.

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (2, Funny)

Hello Kitty (62674) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443262)

I'm *way* the hell past college and I still get that. (Oddly enough, though, if I'm on her computer *fixing* the wretched thing, that's work!) I'm a writer, so maybe what I need to do next time I'm home is whip out a pad and pencil... better yet, I'm gonna hook up some foolscap and a quill... yeah, that'll do it. Programmers, though, hmm -- maybe an abacus? Bunch of slips of papers with ONE and ZERO written on them? Large bucket marked "BITS"?

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443310)

Magazine editor and software developer here (though more editing than developing of late). I sometimes do the initial edits on paper but that's just because at times it's easier to red-ink things that need to be changed then change them all at once.

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (3, Interesting)

magicRob (815117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442842)

Well anyone born before 1980 is too old to game ;) I'm part of a group (no we're not a clan, clans are for young people) called Below Eighty (eg born before 1980). Most of the people are married, have kids and game for fun rather than anything competitive... And if we do have gaming get togethers, it involves more drinking than gaming :)

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442914)

You are clearly a minor, as anyone over twenty-one would not brag about drinking. Or you're a stupid adult. Lose-lose for you.

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (1)

magicRob (815117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443093)

Or, god forbid, I might be an Aussie...

Re:Old gamers? I must be ancient. (1)

incubusnb (621572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443225)

In his defence, I'm 25 and I brag about drinking, then again I am a Canadian and half our lives are spent intoxicated. It's kinda like a right of passage up here

NOOOOOO Really!? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443136)

Suck my balls, scumbag.
 
Eat it eat it eat it
 
  MOD ME TROLL! I'm WASTING KARMA!!!

Oh dear (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442707)

I am offended by those numeric 2s!!

not too old (3, Informative)

hb253 (764272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442709)

I'm 41 and play Counter Strike Source on a daily basis. I am not too old to play.

Re:not too old (1)

Bonker (243350) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442747)

~31 and am playing City of Heroes right now.

Re:not too old (1)

RevDobbs (313888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443017)

30 years old at the end of January and I game nightly.

Usually "Slap Boxing the One-Eyed Chimp", though if I'm lucky I get to play "Hide the Salami".

Re:not too old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442769)

I am 39, and regularly play WoW, Battlefield 2, Rome: Total War, and many others.

Re:not too old (2, Funny)

CaptSnuffy (843104) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442830)

I'm 8 years old and playing on xbox live right now screaming at my mom for some chocolate milk [google.com] You see, gaming is the one place where young and old can come together to have fun in a mature and relaxing way.

Re:not too old (1)

incubusnb (621572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442895)

If I was that kids mother I would beat him into a bloody pulp, I'm normally against Child abuse, but that kid went waaaaay too far. seriously, baseball bat to the head time for him, he'd never talk back again!

Re:not too old (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443019)

That might be a bit too harsh. Instead, the mother needs to lock the kid in a cage [cnn.com] to teach him a lesson, since it sounds like he has some behavioral issues anyways.

Re:not too old (1)

ToasterofDOOM (878240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442850)

My mid-30s neighbor used to regularly have people over for Halo tourneys, and a guy at my church who is approaching 50 is probably the world's greatest Mario Kart 64 player EVAR. All of the really good people in my friends America's Army clan are in their 20s and 30s, and they pwn!

Re:not too old (2, Interesting)

symbolic (11752) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442919)

I am upwards of 30 and I still enjoy firing up Vice City to raise HELL once in a while. I've also started Prince of Persia- granted my pace is somewhat slow, but I have other things going on so my time is limited. I've played WoW. Lineage2, America's Army, Planetside, and others. Games are something I enjoy, so I don't see putting the kibosh on playing them just because of some arbitrary age thing. I remember one guy playing AA was in his 70s.

Re:not too old (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442951)

I find this unbelievable. i'm not even 20 and I feel I've lost my l33t skillz already!

I'm too old... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442715)

...to use numbers instead of words and pluralize with a 'Z'.

Re:I'm too old... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443259)

I'm too old for that too, and I'm only 21. I remember when I started playing online games and "n00bs" were newbs or newbies (simply condesing the word, not actually changing it). One of the reasons (besides now having to pay to play a lot of these games online) that I don't play online has to do with the overall stupidity of the online community. Even if they aren't actually all "stupid", they all sound like it when they use words like "n00b".

funniest Article title ever! (5, Funny)

incubusnb (621572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442724)

are you serious?
"An Interview With 2old2play's Doodi"

who is this 2old2play and why are we interviewing his "Doodi"?

Re:funniest Article title ever! (3, Funny)

jaredmcook (552049) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442882)

I think the title really stinks, personally.

50 may be the new 30 (4, Funny)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442728)

but TFA makes it clear that in the gaming world; 25 is the new 60!

On getting a life (4, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442734)

It sounds more like "gaming for gamers who have a life". Many of the MMORPGs require so much online time per week to advance that you can't have a life outside the game.

Re:On getting a life (3, Funny)

daspriest (904701) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442786)

Can you describe this thing you call a "life??"

They really don't (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442840)

It's just people can't let go. You can play an MMORPG only an hour a week and still enjoy it. No, you won't make it to the highest level and do all that shit, but that doesn't mean there's still not plenty to do. However people get all competitive about it like there's a standard they have to meet or something. There's not, you can be as casual or as hardcore as you like and it works fine.

Re:On getting a life (1)

pHatidic (163975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442870)

I have a friend who has logged 83 DAYS on WoW in the last year. That is, 83 x 24 hours. Wow WoW wow.

Re:On getting a life (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443007)

This is a crazy comment. About 3 hours ago I had lunch with a guy interested in running an MMORPG (he has much cash).

I told him forget it, unless he:

1. Caps weekly play time to 2 hours so even older gamers can play. I'm 31.

2. Sets a limited amount of wealth in the world -- call it a gold standard. Inflation kills MMORPGs as it does in real life.

3. Offers a cheap annual fee ($60 includes license)

4. Supports Linux.

He said no. Another guy with much cash wanting to mimic everyone else, ugh.

Re:On getting a life (1)

Xugumad (39311) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443185)

So, you're thinking of that ever popular target group, 30-something Linux users with an interest in MMORPGs, but less than two hours a week to play them...

2 hours is absurd. Running a seperate server, time limited to 15-20 hours a week, I can see. Keep in mind, you want to cap it above the number of hours your target audience will want to play - they should never notice the cap. At 15-20, that's still a hell of a lot less than many people spend on a MMORPG. I'd also expect progression to be sped up, on that server...

$60/year for this time-limited service sounds... possible, given the reduced admin requirements.

Constant gold - I'm assuming that's per person (otherwise you have to know the size of your player base before your start, so everyone gets around the right amount). Then you have the fun of, if someone cancels their account, do you put the money from their account back into the economy, or what exactly? Only Star Wars Galaxies has ever successfully had an economy, AFAIK, and that generally went quite badly...

Linux... can't see any company making it a requirement. I can see some writing from scratch for portability, but Linux games have never sold well, I can't see anyone making it a requirement...

Re:On getting a life (1)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443240)

I guess it's relative. I'd go for a 6 hour per week cap, or lower. 15 hours a week takes a huge chunk out of time that could be spent outside, or reading, or cooking, or doing any one of a number of things that have longer-term rewards.

I had an intensive MMORPG phase, and too little to show for it.

Re:On getting a life (2, Informative)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443232)

Yohoho! Puzzle Pirates [puzzlepirates.com] attracts gamers of all ages without resorting to those tactics.

Play time is unlimited, however, the doubloon system allows players to essentially trade money for time. There are two currencies: pieces of eight, which flow freely from NPCs and admin-sponsored tournaments, and doubloons, which only enter the economy when they're purchased with real dollars. The prices for most items are set in both POE and doubloons, the doubloons disappear from the economy as soon as they're spent, and POE can be traded for doubloons on an open market. So if you want to buy that fancy sword, you can either play for a couple weeks to save up POE and trade some of them for doubloons, or spend a couple bucks for a handful of doubloons and trade some of them for POE. The players with money but no time subsidize the ones with time but no money.

Neither POE nor doubloons are finite, but they exit the system regularly, and inflation hasn't been a problem. The economy stays balanced by changing tax rates, changing spawn rates for raw commodities, and providing plenty of opportunities for money to be lost/spent and leave the economy.

Paying to play is entirely optional, at least on doubloon servers (there are also servers where monthly subscriptions replace doubloons). If you don't have the time or money to get doubloons, many parts of the game are closed off to you, but you can still have fun.

Linux is supported, and mentioned on the box, because the game's written in Java. (You can even run it on a Mac and play a special bonus game, "watch the colorful spinning beachball", that isn't available on either Linux or Windows!)

Of course, another big factor that attracts older players is the gameplay itself. You don't need the quick reflexes or hand-eye coordination of someone who grew up playing Nintendo, because everything is a puzzle game, from sailing to swordfighting. If you can play Bejeweled, you can help run a ship.

Re:On getting a life (1)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443280)

There are two things in this world I avoid like the plague. IRC and MMORPGs. I do not look down upon anyone who gets addicted. It's not their fault. They just wanted to play a game. No one told them these companies have figured out a way to inject heroin over tcp/ip.

gahh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442741)

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We should be back shortly.

Problem (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442745)

There seems to be a problem with the MySQL server, sorry for the inconvenience. We should be back shortly.
Um... there's no problem: you just got corn-holed by the /.

Already down? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442752)

Wow, three comments and the site is already down! Not the site actually, the MySQL server, but still. A record?

I really hope (1)

AkA lexC (939709) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442756)

I;m still gaming when im 40. I think that could be one of the most obvious changes to the family over the last few hundred years. When parents and children can enjoy the same pass time (and i mean enjoy, not just tollerate) surely we're looking at a revival of a more cohesive unit?

Re:I really hope (3, Funny)

know1 (854868) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443151)

i agree completely! i wish my father could play video games with any skill, it would give us at least one thing to talk about. however one of my uncles, i have happily spent many evenings laughing cheerfully as we killed prostitutes in GTA:San Andreas. truly, when this last gap is gone and everyone plays games, it will return to a more family time, with more leisure time spent together. i look forward to killing prostitutes with my own son/daughter (heh, just had to go back and add /daughter, guess i just learned something about my hopes for the future) in a cyber worldthat sounds like a joke but i'm deadly serious

/.'ed (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442759)

Hey, you're never 2old to be /.'ed!

Damn kids (4, Funny)

Rodness (168429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442760)

A 26yo declaring that anyone over 25 is "too old"? Let me be the first to stand up and yell "stupid young whippersnapper!"

*sigh* Kids these days...

Re:Damn kids (1)

RickPartin (892479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442890)

You mean "2 old". Right?

too old? (4, Insightful)

drew (2081) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442797)

The founder of a group called 2old2play is younger than I am? I went to the article expecting to see some insightful commentary from somebody at least in his 40's. I stopped reading when I got to his age.

Then again, now that I look closer at his name and the name of the group, I have a hard time believing he's over 18.

The name "Doodi" (1)

Caspian (99221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442880)

It might not mean "Doodie" (i.e. "poop").

I used to work for an Israeli woman who had a cousin named Doodi, which in Hebrew evidently is a nickname for "David", and does not have any fecal connotations.

Remember: "Woo Suk-Hwang" might sound/read funny to an English reader, but it probably doesn't mean "Who sucks cock" in Korean... Same with "Doodi".

Then again, maybe it DOES mean "poop". Ask him!

Re:The name "Doodi" (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443010)

It's actually covered in the interview. His original nickname was Doodirock, pronounced "Dude, I rock", but due to mispronunciation it evolved into "Doodi". Doodirock isn't hugely more mature than Doodi, but many people come up with their handles when they're younger, and by the time their old they have two many contacts with their old handle to try changing it.

Re:The name "Doodi" (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443158)

[...] and by the time their old they have two many contacts [...]

That sentence fragment makes my eyes bleed.

Re:The name "Doodi" (1)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443219)

I was using the troll numbering system, which only has four digits, one, two, many lots. Translating into base-10, what I actually said is that they have 13 contacts.

I can't find a good excuse for the their, apart from this is slashdot, and I was trying to fit in.

Re:The name "Doodi" (1)

palndrumm (416336) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443077)

If you RTFA (although you really didn't miss anything by not doing so), you'll find out it's actually a contraction of his original tag "doodirock", which was supposed to be pronounced "dude I rock" but kept getting pronounced "doodie rock" and eventually just got shortened to "doodie".

Re:The name "Doodi" (1)

Caspian (99221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443266)

What, me? RTFA? Isn't that a violation of SlashDot Code? ;)

Re:too old? (1)

cheaphomemadeacid (881971) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443207)

good thing you're not too proud to listen to younger people :)

Strange (4, Insightful)

Da3vid (926771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442799)

I find it strange how the stereotype of gaming has been given to younger people. There doesn't seem to be anything inherent in gaming itself that keeps itself from older people. Perhaps it is only the industry which gears itself towards younger people, because it has more widely available material to be used. If the industry had sufficient material (perhaps just better storylines?), I can't see any good reason why gaming wouldn't be popular among all ages aside from social stigmas.

-Da3vid-

Re:Strange (3, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442897)

Much gaming entails mastering a given game over many hours of play. You can't really enjoy online FPS:s until you've put in a lot of hours of practice first, for example. For "mainstream", visible gaming, you need to be able to put in quite a lot of hours, preferably in fairly large chunks of time.

People over college age tend to have jobs and family. They do not have all that many long stretches of free hours, and when they do, they will tend to spend it with their spouse, their kids, their garden, whatever.

Note, however, that there is a whole parallel gaming universe out there with a huge number of people playing, and with an average age much, much higher than for the consoles. Just log in to Yahoo! games section as one example. Card and board games where you and your fellow players are all equal; small "desktop" games (mah-jongg, tetris, whatever) that you can enjoy for a quick break of five to ten minutes.

Re:Strange (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442985)

I agee. And for all of you "young whippersnappers" out ther that think us oldies can't game, well, all I can say is put your keyboard/controller where your mouth is. I play Battlefield 1942, Desert Combat mod for BF1942, and Battlefield 2; (I'll turn 49 next month) if any of you play any of those and find youself pwned by "SgtTomcat" by way of sniper rifle or AH-64, then you can rest assured that you got put in the dirt by someone who is "older than dirt"! 24 being old?!?! pshaww! note: no AC post and I give you my real gaming name- the challenge has been issued!

Re:Strange (2, Insightful)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443014)

I think the thing is because electronic video games are relatively new. When they first came out, the only people into them were youngsters, because only youngsters are into new things.

Now that successive generations are growing up, those people who were once kids are now adults, and still into video games. The stereotype will change once those people start getting to be elderly. Then everyone will be into video games.

Gaming is boring for older folks (1)

blitz487 (606553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443315)

That's because us old folks (I'm in my 40's) find gaming to be boring. We've found more interesting things to do.

This is so timely (for me anyway) (4, Interesting)

conteXXt (249905) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442820)

Today I was playing some Enemy Territory (Sniper mod) for a few hours.

Server was a Clan branded one, and a few of the members joined in the frag fest (well as much of a fest as sniper mod can be, but I digress).

To my surprise, they asked me to try out for their clan.

My response? How late do you play as I am old (well not really but I have responsibilities)

Average age of the clan? 32.

That was a surprise to me.

I guess certain games attract different age groups (duh) but I would have thought that a *clan* would generally be younger folks.

Anyone else have this experience?

Re:This is so timely (for me anyway) (2, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442878)

First clan I joined back in the Team Fortress days had a wide range of people. Youngest was 16, oldest was 53. Median age was probably in the 20s, but we had a number of older people that played. Wasn't a problem, just what they did with their time rather than watch TV or the other activities that many people do for entertainment.

You'll actually find that a lot of the quality groups out there are older gamers. PArt of it is just a maturity thing. When teamwork becomes important, maturity becomes important and that's one thing that usually just takes life experience to develop.

Most of my friends and I play World of Warcraft, and we've done the big raid guild thing, however we are all 25 or older, all have real jobs and such. Works fine, just means that you log out at 10-11 during the week and don't play every night. The more hardcore people don't begrudge that.

Re:This is so timely (for me anyway) (1)

biocute (936687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442909)

Same here, I played Ghost Recon a long while back, and was invited to try out a clan. After being accepted, I found out that most of them are working people over 25 or so.

Good thing about this is there was never a Rambo in the clan who ran around shooting everything, we spent a lot of time communicating and plotting the attacks.

Re:This is so timely (for me anyway) (1)

a10waveracer (862795) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442970)

My clan is based off of the older set of people (all of the head admins, besides me, are over 25.... most are over 35...) and it really does make for a better gaming experience. A dependable source of income as well as a mature admin sets a clan up for lots of good times, and almost no asshats.

Re:This is so timely (for me anyway) (1)

Elminst (53259) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443182)

I'm currently in a gaming clan where ages range from 15 to i think near 50. Most of us are in our upper 20's and lower 30's (I'm 31). We've got brothers and sisters, a father(40+) and son(15), and a father(45+) with son(19) and daughter(17).
We stress maturity and comraderie over frag count. WE have no patience with whiny kids, of any age.

Re:This is so timely (for me anyway) (1)

heresyoftruth (705115) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443212)

This happens to my husband a lot. He's into DOD, CS, and any other FPS he can get into. He often ends up gravitating towards clans that are made up of older players.

Re:This is so timely (for me anyway) (1)

CRB2500 (43221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443238)

Probably been said already as I browse at 3+, but... I rather play a more thinking game where I dont have to be spinning in circles and shooting rockets out my butt like in Quake 2. Most games only go half measures and maybe the mod communities will make something to fill the gap. For example. BF2. If I modded the game I'd have the squad commanders the power to lock in the teammates AND give them the role to play. I want a team that makes sense. When everyone plays the same class or two it messes up the point of having a team. Glad to see they put VOIP in to the game (though it's not the best) as when you find a squad that uses it they will dominate others that dont...

Real team play, real tactics, less twitch and superman stunts. An for love of Game Play Nerf the Bunny Hopping Pronto...

Less Coffee....

games? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442838)

I'm 43 which could be old but my Games are 4 pinball machines 3 video consoles and a pool table , the only "game" I play is tetris on a gameboy !

Re:games? (1)

jammyman (944967) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442889)

Apparently you guys have never actually played on Xbox live or anything else like it. All you get there, unless you can find some adults to play with, are a bunch of kids that... well, act like kids. Screaming, yelling, calling you Ni**er and any other various expletives. Let me tell you, it's not a good time. When I first found this community it was definitely heaven for gamers. New friends, good friends at that, and fun gaming again. Check out the site before you guys do what Slashdotters seem to do... dis, dis, dis. Actually, you guys kinda act like kids? So do what you do because I'm sure I'm next. If you aren't one of these lemmings just following the 'dissing' crowd and you forgot what it was like to have fun gaming with fun people then give the site a shot. The point is to give people that are non-teens a place to find others like them so they can game and have fun again. Jammyman

Re:games? (1)

vargasgrey (943683) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442986)

Sadly, jammyman many communities out there are nothing but huge "dissing" crowds. /. just has much smarter ones.

old timer finds new game (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442859)

I'm an old timer. I recently found a very challenging game, exciting, and fraught with risk. The game is called Automatic Transmission. Take it apart. Try to put it back together. Hope that it works. Fun.

Re:old timer finds new game (1)

Draconix (653959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443203)

Have you tried the Ford Pinto version? I hear it's a blast!

Re:old timer finds new game (1)

Dining Philanderer (899400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443336)

Ford Pinto? Are you nuts? Try the primer grey Vega that I drove to work at Kings Dominion in 1984 when I was 15 3/4... (first job)

I hit a deer and screwed something up. The car would run fine but every time I needed to start I had to beg someone for a jump.

Did I mention that it had red plastic seats. My butt would burn off in the summer.

Re:old timer finds new game (1)

bdcrazy (817679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443346)

My shirt says it all: If it is not broke, take it apart and fix it.
It has been a game i've been playing for decades, ever since my first radio.
There are way more 'games' than just video games, though they are usually called hobbies.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442875)

So I read the interview and its amazing how much of you people bitch about _everything_ posted on slashdot. I believe the site is dedicated to those over 25 so that they can get a more older crowd. If you look through the user-base and check out the ages you'll notice that there are plenty of 50+ people that are on this site, and many that contribute highly to the site and its success.

But of course, instead you read an interview look at the surface and make a judgement. I'd expect more from the "over 40" crowd that posted comments. I'd thought you would have learned something over the years, but instead you assume that because the guy is 26 he cannot run a site for older folks to enjoy. Sad. So sad.

- 2old2play member.

Re:Wow (5, Insightful)

RealDSmooth (861488) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442898)

As a co-founder of 2old2play.com, I am also disappointed with the bitching here on slashdot regarding the article. The reason we picked 25 as a staring age is because it's when most people mature, start families, have kids, etc. Our oldest member is in his 80's and we have plenty in between. I'm 32 myself, so we do cover the "older gamers" crowd... DSmooth

Re:Wow (2, Funny)

nzgeek (232346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442947)

I am also disappointed with the bitching here on slashdot regarding the article

I guess you're new here?

Re:Wow (1)

The Allmighty Fluffy (911543) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442966)

I applaud the effort, however, for three years now I've been part of a gaming group that makes judgements on maturity and attitude rather than age alone. We run the gamut from teenagers to a 50-something who is alarmingly good at snap-reflex roles in the games we play. Heck, they guy currently in charge is a police officer! In coversations on our forums, we've dealt with everything from marriage and divorce to job issues to illnesses in the family. You don't have to exclude the younger folks to do it (I joined when I was 16), you just have be a bit more discerning about who you're bringing in.

I can't help but wonder about how many friendly and mature people you're leaving out with your age limit, and how many complete assholes slip past such an arbitrary requirement. Certainly your signal-to-noise ratio is going to be higher than the average 1337-kiddie Xbox Live clan's recruiting pool, but I think your age requirement is kinda tangential to the real issue.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443018)

It may have something to do with the type of people who refresh ./ often enough to get to the website before it went down.
I'm in my mid 40's, have never considered myself a "gamer" but will try to check out the site when the smoke clears (if I don't forget;-). Sounds like it might be fun.

There is no such thing as bad press.

Re:Wow (1)

Deep Fried Geekboy (807607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443097)

There are plenty of 25-year old's I'd be happy to play with (I'm 41 and have been playing online games since the first UT). In fact, there are plenty of 13 year olds. There are also a bunch of 25+ jerks and your Doodi comes across as less mature than lots of the kids I play against daily. Hmph.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443284)

I for one think that it's awesome. I have never been a gamer because I've never wanted to spend the time on it. I want to have a life in the real world. "Stupid" games like Tetris or BZflag where there's very little thinking and you don't have to commit a lot of time is all I've gotten into.

I'm 24, married, about to have a kid and barely making ends meet. I can spend an hour or two a week playing games, but I didn't know where to meet other non-semi-pro gamers.

Thanks

A new market awaits (2, Insightful)

Saint37 (932002) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442907)

The targeting of games to younger people creates a market opportunity for a small visionary company that realizes that in the future, gamers will come from all age demographics.

http://www.tradealyst.com/ [tradealyst.com]

25? Old? I'd say ideal (2, Interesting)

ddx Christ (907967) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442910)

I found it sort of strange that they referred to 25 as being old, senior citizen old. When I played Star Wars Galaxies (before it tanked), the average age for guild members was in the ~23-26 range. Most had jobs, a couple had children, a lot had wives/girlfriends.

I think I was the only one under 18 at the time (2 years back, I turn 18 this month). Most players that were in my age group were incredibly annoying; there's no doubt in my mind that the guild just wanted a more mature gaming group.

Granted, I no longer play MMORPGs as they take too much time. They suck the life blood out of me. I prefer just kicking back on less time consuming games, and my ideal teammate/opponent is usually a bit older than I am just for the sake of a greater chance of it being more fun (or tolerable).

Game site for old people? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14442923)

Who needs it. Once you reach 18 your gonna spend all your time figuring out which candidate isn't a thieving crook.

Re:Game site for old people? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443222)

I'll save you some time. All candidates are thieving crooks. Now get back to gaming.

very sad to continue to see all of this ... (1)

jammyman (944967) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442926)

At slashdot from "adults." Apparently you guys have never actually played on Xbox live or anything else like it. All you get there, unless you can find some adults to play with, are a bunch of kids that... well, act like kids. Screaming, yelling, calling you Ni**er and any other various expletives. Let me tell you, it's not a good time. When I first found this community it was definitely heaven for gamers. New friends, good friends at that, and fun gaming again. Check out the site before you guys do what Slashdotters seem to do... dis, dis, dis. Actually, you guys kinda act like kids? So do what you do because I'm sure I'm next. If you aren't one of these lemmings just following the 'dissing' crowd and you forgot what it was like to have fun gaming with fun people then give the site a shot. The point is to give people that are non-teens a place to find others like them so they can game and have fun again. Jammyman

Re:very sad to continue to see all of this ... (1)

The Mighty Buzzard (878441) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443008)

Didn't you see the "Please Don't Feed The Trolls" sign?

I don't play games (2, Interesting)

JCOTTON (775912) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442927)

...haven't played any computer game since Trek on a PDP-11. SUCH A WASTE of time. If my kids spent half the time that they play games on learning a computer language, then they would be pulling down six figure salaries. Afterall, sitting in front of a tube is sitting in front of a tube. I do that 8 hours a day. But I get big bucks for it.
Can I rant on crossword puzzles too? Basically, supporting old apps is the same as a giant crossword puzzle. Think about it. When was the last time you got paid to do a crossword?

Re:I don't play games (1)

jammyman (944967) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442949)

If you want your kid to become a coder and make the "big bucks" consider getting him into game design or game programming. He obviously has a liking to it and it is one of the fastest growing industries at the moment. It makes more money that Hollywood does you know.

Re:I don't play games (5, Insightful)

LordLucless (582312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443030)

SUCH A WASTE of time. If my kids spent half the time that they play games on learning a computer language, then they would be pulling down six figure salaries.

Which is the most important thing, after all.

DOWN HILL (-1, Troll)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442954)

What's with all the crappy stories of late? Since they stopped publishing that Roland dude, it's all been DOWN HILL.

Do people read the articles? (2, Interesting)

jayintune (944969) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442974)

25 seems to be the base for the site. I took some time to check out the users and most of them are in their 30's and 40's. Seems like a place to get away from the cheating, screaming, kids of the gaming world. Im on similar sites for ps2 and I think there should be more of them. Having a site for all consoles and PC seems like a good idea.

You're only too old... (0, Offtopic)

schlichte (885306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442987)

to play when you didnt pay the bills and are now homeless.

Personal admissions and bad marketing (1)

JimBobJoe (2758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14442997)

I'm unnerved by the name of this site. It requires participants to admit to themselves that they are either "old" or "too old" to do X.

It seems that that is a failure of marketing 101. Age is a sensitive issue for many, and with the advancements and new thinking behind aging and longevity, the generation of baby boomers, and younger, are going to be fighting it and delaying it at every turn. This web site's core audience is not very likely to admit to being too old for anything.

This could be different in an Eastern culture (where age is a more positive concept associated with wisdom.) Some people are happy to associate themselves and admit to other failings or issues (you could probably sell a lot of drugs from "OCDfreaks.com.") But a quick sampling of slashdot postings is showing that many of what is likely this site's core audience are refusing to associate themselves as being potential members. /couldn't read the article, was already slashdotted

Quick question (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443023)

Who the fuck is Doodi, and why should I care? I'm glad I didn't bother to read that interview. What a waist of time. I don't care what some fat gamer dude's favorite game is. I'd rather stair at the wall until my eyes bleed than read an interview about Doodi. Why would anyone 26 and under care?

31/M/Gamer Hell (1)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443047)

I recently got back into Action Quake 2 after a 6 year hiatus. I was old at 25 but good.

The first month I sucked. I figured it was age.

Now I see that gaming skills require construction honing. I'm decent now, and have noticed my hand-eye coordination is better in real life. Gaming also gave me back my old edge in scanning a room to notice things faster than others (great in a business with long punch lists!).

Practice, practice!

Old fogies, come back to Action Quake 2.

you all need to grow up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14443164)

OMG, I can't believe all the whinning here..."I am not old", he is only "26", "I am 41 and I play counterstrike everyday" I am not old....blah blah blah...."I stopped reading when it said he was "26"..yet you same people will watch a football game and listen to a 20yr old talk...The site is about the people, not about the name...The interview was for people on the site to get to know the guy that made this great place for us older gamers to get together...and all you do is whine about the name..I find it offense blah blah blah...Grow up already if you find it offensive of a web site being called 2old2play...and continue to be jealous that somebody that is 26 had enough intelligence to make a wesite that has over 3000 registered users...

Bring back adventure games! (4, Interesting)

nighty5 (615965) | more than 8 years ago | (#14443255)

I'm 30 years old, but I remember playing the my first Sierra [wikipedia.org] game, Kings Quest [wikipedia.org] .

From a very early age I was programming, TRS80's etc. Lucky my old man was a programmer, we had all types of all gear lying about.

My Favourites were:
Space Quest [wikipedia.org]
Police Quest [wikipedia.org]
Hero's Quest [wikipedia.org]
Leisure Suit Larry [wikipedia.org]
And last but not least: Zork [wikipedia.org]

I am disappointed to see they no longer make such games, now moving to more action type games. Adventure games were cool.

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