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Revolution Interface, DS Chart-Toppers

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the that-'n'-certainly-is-big dept.

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Joystiq reports on the continued success of the DS in Japan, where the two-screened console is not only outselling the 360, but topping the charts as well. They're also showing off mock-ups of what the Revolution virtual console service might work like. As Doc Brown said, "Please excuse the crudity of this model." The virtual console will allow Revolution owners to buy and play classic Nintendo games. Includes a list of possible launch titles.

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Mockups not "real" (1)

BinaryOpty (736955) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444046)

As a note: the mockups were just made (by either Nintendo or the polling company, not Joystiq) to illustrate the poll's point. They are in no way indicative of the final product. The word "look" in the summary should be replaced with "work."

Re:Mockups not "real" (1)

BinaryOpty (736955) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444081)

Bravo, editors, bravo. My previous post's last sentence has been nullified by editing.

Meaningful comparison? (3, Insightful)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444099)

"where the two-screened console is not only outselling the 360,"

Come on, I'm sure even the old Bandai Playdia is still outselling the 360 in Japan. My grandmother can outsell the 360 in Japan. The meaningful comparison is how it's doing compared to the PSP, GCN, PS2, or (dare I say it) the GBA.

Re:Meaningful comparison? (2, Funny)

Deliveranc3 (629997) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444123)

I have to agree that the PSP is an apt comparison,

1. Difficult to program for.
2. Crippled by long loading times (360 crippled by Heat Brick)
3. Poor games selection.
4. Strange media format.
5. Expensive.
6. Quite traditional in it's approach.

The 360 really strikes me as a loser, but perhaps some of the upcoming games will change that.

Re:Meaningful comparison? (4, Informative)

briankoenig (853681) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444140)

Did you read the article? The main text is a sales chart for the week beginning December 26th.

# FORMAT TITLE
1 DS Brain Training 2
2 DS Animal Crossing: Wild World
3 DS Mario Kart DS
4 PS2 Kingdom Hearts II
5 DS DS Training For Adults: Work Your Brain (Brain Training)
6 PS2 Front Mission 5: Scars of the War
7 DS Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
8 DS Gentle Brain Exercises
9 DS Tamagotchi Connection: Corner Shop!
10 DS Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon: Blue Rescue Force

As you can see, the DS is outselling EVERYTHING, not just the Xbox360, but also the PS2, Gamecube, GBA, and PC games. 8 of the Top 10, and all of the Top 3. For those that may say "but that's just game sales" also read the other article about 13 million DS's being sold. Not shipped, not "sent to retailers", SOLD.

Re:Meaningful comparison? (3, Informative)

iainl (136759) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444255)

The Grandparent is right to point out that the 360 is a dumb thing to compare sales to, however. The Hardware numbers for that week:

DS - 390,181 (Sold Out)
PSP - 110,741
PS2 - 78,646
GBA SP - 15,998
GC - 12,579
Xbox 360 - 12,300
GBM - 11,234
GBA - 447
Xbox - 121

So the DS isn't just outselling the 360 (which the silly blurb finds notable), but outselling it over 31 times.

Re:Meaningful comparison? (1)

G-funk (22712) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444732)

In Japan, "Shipped to retailers" is "sold". The shelves are empty. Somehow I find it's a lot more impressive to run out of Nintendo DS consoles than to sell all 30 of your XBOXen to MTV fanboys.

Re:Meaningful comparison? (1)

badasscat (563442) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444997)

In Japan, "Shipped to retailers" is "sold".

Bzzzt.

There are two major counts taken weekly of hardware and software sales. One is done by Media Create, the other by Famitsu. Famitsu's is done the same way NPD does it here, through a survey and statistical sampling. Media Create does it a different way and I'm not sure how, but usually their numbers are lower than Famitsu's and generally considered more accurate, so they may be tracking actual store scans and either not using statistical sampling or just using a larger and more accurate sample.

But in any case, "shipped to retailers" is not "sold". Sold to customers is sold.

I believe the numbers quoted just a bit earlier are Media Create numbers.

Re:Meaningful comparison? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14446190)

But in any case, "shipped to retailers" is not "sold". Sold to customers is sold.

I believe the grandparent was saying that in the case of the DS, 'shipped' is equivalent to 'sold' because the DS is sold-out. As in, "In Japan, saying "Shipped to retailers" is as good as saying that it is"sold"."

Re:Meaningful comparison? (1)

G-funk (22712) | more than 8 years ago | (#14448703)

Perhaps you should read the entire post before you go off half-cocked?

Re:Meaningful comparison? (1)

CaseM (746707) | more than 8 years ago | (#14445965)

Well, no shit. The DS costs about 1/3 the price of a 360, has cheaper games, and has been on the market longer. What did you expect to happen? The GP's points are certainly valid.

omg (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444149)

this is probably the most worthless article i've read in a long time

it's a bunch of images, that anyone could have drawn, that shows how the system would most likely work

anyone could have figured out how it would work

so.. why is this news and interesting?

i love slashdot, but this.. ?

DS is the new PS2 in Japan (4, Interesting)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444203)

The DS is doing amazingly well in Japan. I got mine outside of Osaka in early December and boy am I glad - there are places selling used machines for $200 American dollars. Kids are using their New Year's money to snap up the machines (If I weren't so convinced that Nintendo will soon have a handle on production again, I'd buy a load of the machines in the U.S. and bring them over).

The only machine that has the shelf space in nearly all the consumer oriented video game stores (as opposed to the holes in the wall in Den Den Town which cater to more hardcore gamers) is the PS2. The DS is well on its way to being a ubiqutious platform just like the PS2.

There are shelves for the PSP, but the games are crap and there's not nearly as much advertising, compared to the brochures, banners, and boxes for Nintendogs, Brain Training, Mario Kart, and Animal Crossing.

The place to be is the DS.

Re:DS is the new PS2 in Japan (3, Interesting)

ArwynH (883499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444562)

The DS is doing amazingly well in Japan. I got mine outside of Osaka in early December and boy am I glad - there are places selling used machines for $200 American dollars. Kids are using their New Year's money to snap up the machines (If I weren't so convinced that Nintendo will soon have a handle on production again, I'd buy a load of the machines in the U.S. and bring them over).

For comparison I got my DS (blue) shortly after they came out for aprox. $150 US in Okayama, Japan. I also had the option of getting a second hand one for $100 instead, so that is like 100% markup. Not bad...

Re:DS is the new PS2 in Japan (1)

dancingmad (128588) | more than 8 years ago | (#14447961)

I should clarify, that I got mine for approx. $125, the shortages started before New Year's.

Why would they split it up by console? (1)

Orange Goblin (945041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444792)

You're playing it on the Revolution, you don't care what the original console was. More likely the list will be sorted by title, with (NES), (SNES), etc after.

Re:Why would they split it up by console? (1)

juletre (739996) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444863)

I thought it was a good idea. If you can only scroll up/down and not jump to 'F', shorter lists are a good idea.
Showing all as default and have the opportunity to "arrange by name/console/year/etc" could work too.

Re:Why would they split it up by console? (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14446286)

My guess is that they will cost different by console. In that case, you might care which console it was originally made for. What I am hoping they will change is how many games are listed per page. Three is ridiculously low. I'm sure they'll have more than that. But it seems too many sites I've been to are still too small. The best let you adjust how many you want per page.

The article is comparing apples and oranges but... (1)

HawkingMattress (588824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14444986)

I bought a DS last week after reading numerous posts here and there about how great it was, and i'm not disappointed. Games are great, the system is great.
And this comes from someone who had totally given up gaming since 4 years or so, basically because of the lack of any innovation since the days of "modern gaming" (the first generation of accelerated 3D games). And i think it's way better than say, the Gamecube, because the gamecube imho lacks good games and it feels like nintendo is pushing its franchise hard while not really exploiting it in terms of gameplay. Or maybe i just didn't try the good games... But mario sunshine for example was a big let down.

Re:The article is comparing apples and oranges but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14445160)

In the past, Nintendo systems could be gauged by their Mario release title, but in the case of the Gamecube, judging it on Mario Sunshine is not giving the system a fair chance.

Mario Sunshine is a big let down. It's practically the same as Mario64 but with better graphics: Princess is kidnapped, enter worlds and collect Stars/Shines to open new worlds/areas and restore the castle and Toads/Delfino and it's denizens, you only need X of Y total Stars/Shines to get to the last level, remaining (Y-X) Stars/Shines are for perfectionists who want to get bonus at the end that is useless because you've beaten the game (130 lives and a sparking triple jump in Mario64, for example). Also, obtaining (Y-X) remaining Stars/Shines is a bit of a chore, much more so in Sunshine than in Mario64.

If you want to enjoy your Gamecube, at least through first party games, play the Metroid Prime games, Zelda: Wind Waker (20 minutes of game play, or getting to the first "level" will get you hooked, whichever comes first), Super Smash Brothers Melee, & Mario Kart Double Dash.

Resident Evil 4 is also spectacular by most accounts, but I haven't played it, since I don't have the time to devote to a console attached to a TV these days. damn job.

I purchased a DS this past summer because I could not hold out any longer, I missed playing games (see above) and Mario Kart DS was on the horizon, and I love it. I purchased Mario64 DS because it at least has fond memories attached to it of playing on the N64, and the 3 other characters + new levels + $30 price tag made it impossible to resist. I am not disappointed with it, it's a great game in and of itself (it's Mario64 after all), but it does suffer from the 'more of the same' I mentioned above. If you consider what the DS is able to do with Mario64, it is quite impressive, but you can't judge the system on that one game. I got the DS with the Metroid Prime Hunters demo, and aside from crippling hand cramps due to inexperience using the DS, it is equally impressive what the little-clamshell-handheld-that-could is pumping out. It's not up to Metroid Prime standards, but considering it's using N64-like hardware, it looks pretty good.

Long story short, do yourself a favor and play something besides Mario Sunshine to judge the Gamecube.

Re:The article is comparing apples and oranges but (1)

cornface (900179) | more than 8 years ago | (#14450063)

But mario sunshine for example was a big let down.

Especially compared to the Jak/Ratchett series from the PS2, which were all excellent.

Yet another DS and PS comparasion (2, Interesting)

MilenCent (219397) | more than 8 years ago | (#14445066)

The userbase of the DS and PSP in the U.S. are roughly even at this time, although Nintendo's had a good holiday season with multiple great games while the PSP only really had GTA.

But in Japan, the DS is smoking the PSP. In sales each month it comes in ahead of the PS2. And during several reporting periods, the DS has outsold all other consoles combined. And in the last reporting period (link only accurate to my statements temporarily, and may change soon in fact, the period I'm talking about is the week from Dec 26-Jan 1) eight of the ten top software titles on the list are DS games. The top-rated PS2 game, at #4, is Kingdom Hearts II, a very eagerly-awaited game in a nation that loves RPGs. #3 and #2, respectively, are Mario Kart DS and Animal Crossing! #1 and #5 are in the Brain Training series that has yet to make it to the U.S., but are supposed to be coming soon. [m-create.com]

But why is this important to us U.S. players? For these reasons:

1. It proves the DS is no Virtual Boy. It's here to stay.
2. It is vindication for the DS' unorthodox design elements. The DS' success in Japan is so tremendous by this point that it can only be called an unqualified success, even if the rest of the world had never bought a single DS.
3. Most importantly, Japan is the first market for many video game systems. There is a feedback loop here: if a system is popular, it attracts many developers, which make the system even more popular, etcetera. But the market here is the one in which many of those developers live and work, and that's gotta have a strong influence. That's one of the reasons why relatively few Japanese publishers developed for the original X-box.

Re:Yet another DS and PS comparasion (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14446224)

"Most importantly, Japan is the first market for many video game systems."

Except the DS was first launched in North America, followed by a Japanese launch a little later. And that was only the first time hardware was sold in North America first. Nintendo has been making a habit of selling certain games in North America first, even if they were written in Japan and require translation/localization first (e. g. the Metroid GBA games).

Japan isn't the gaming Mecca it used to be as far as Nintendo is concerned, especially since the N64 days (where the console did better in North America than in Japan)

Re:Yet another DS and PS comparasion (1)

MilenCent (219397) | more than 8 years ago | (#14446855)

Except the DS was first launched in North America, followed by a Japanese launch a little later.

I didn't mean first in a chronological sense, but in the sense that it is considered most important by many system manufacturers, and a lot of emphasis is put on it. Yes, the North American market is important too, more important in some ways, but it is less in others, and anyway most systems are designed in Japan, and a disproportionate number of the people who make software are Japanese.

Re:Yet another DS and PS comparasion (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14448645)

The userbase of the DS and PSP in the U.S. are roughly even at this time

Really? The numbers I've seen say the DS is leading. While current numbers are hard to come by, this [spong.com] claims that the DS is leading 13M:7M worldwide and since at least 2M PSPs have been sold in Japan and at least 1M in Europe (using very conservative numbers, most likely at least 50% more) that doesn't leave the 5M it'd need to match the DS in the US.

Re:Yet another DS and PS comparasion (1)

MilenCent (219397) | more than 8 years ago | (#14449240)

Their rough equality in the U.S. is not something I have hard numbers for, and was just something floating around. Hard numbers for the DS are easy to come by because of Nintendo's recent press release, but Sony usually releases figures for "units shipped," which is a lot less useful.

Where did you get your figures? I'd be very happy to be proven wrong on this point....

Re:Yet another DS and PS comparasion (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453202)

Only on forums and that Spong article I linked. Yes, I know Spong is about as reliable as a bowl of alphabet soup but it's the only thing resembling sales numbers I could find.

That is one ugly GUI (1)

aka_big_wurm (757512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14445222)

lets hope that is not the real thing because that is ugly, and hurts my eyes

Re:That is one ugly GUI (1)

dyslexicbunny (940925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14445711)

Let's hope you might actually read the article.

Keep in mind that the screenshots from the survey are merely mock-ups and do not reflect how the final product will appear.

The DS is a "console"? (1)

Raistlin77 (754120) | more than 8 years ago | (#14445278)

Am I the only one to notice this? I thought this was Slashdot!

...success of the DS in Japan, where the two-screened console...

Since when did the DS get classified as a "console"? Last I checked, this term is reserved for those game systems that sit by your TV. What kind of crack comparison is that?! Comparing a hand-held to a console...

How dod all the trolls miss that one?

Re:The DS is a "console"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14445572)

Why not? At the end, the purpose of both a 'handheld' and a 'console' is to play games, and they are in the same market: video games. If the best video game software is on the handheld, and the handheld is the one that is being sold out because of its sheer popularity instead of low production, let the handheld be the one at the lead of the 'console' wars.

- VMan of Mana

Re:The DS is a "console"? (2, Informative)

Minna Kirai (624281) | more than 8 years ago | (#14446544)

Last I checked, this term is reserved for those game systems that sit by your TV.

Actually no, you've never checked, because there is nothing relating to "games" anywhere in the definition of console. Computer consoles have existed long before Nintendo or even Atari had an electronic product.

The definition, btw: "The portion of a computer or peripheral that houses the apparatus used to operate the machine manually and provides a means of communication between the computer operator and the central processing unit"

Typically, ignoramuses who have never heard of any kind of console aside from a "game console" will make an unjustified abbreviation, which is similar to how people who've never heard of any kind of "emulator" besides a "hardware emulator" go and say "Wine Is Not An Emulator".

Re:The DS is a "console"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14457590)

I dunno. I tend to think of a console as anything that has standardized hardware and a standardized software format. Even more so now that handhelds are approaching the quality of current RCA cable consoles.

Here is a link to the numbers... (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 8 years ago | (#14446979)

That joystiq article SUCKS. Out of all of the sites that have this information theirs is the only one that didn't post the numbers.

Try this link instead.

http://www.revo-europe.com/news.php?nid=8699 [revo-europe.com]

DS outselling 360? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14447274)

How in the world can a $120 system that's available everywhere outsell a $400 monster that most local stores might've had half a dozen of since release if they were lucky?!?!?!?!

Re:DS outselling 360? Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14448163)

The problem is that the 360 isn't sold out in Japan. It's sitting on shelves taking up space and not selling.

It would be a much different story if the 360 was sold out. The story here is that the DS is sold out.

I wonder if this is true emulation... (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14449953)

I wonder if this nintendo thing is true emulation.
Judging by the list of games under "SNES", it looks like they seem to be supporting quite a number of the special chips (like the DSP1, FX chip and SA-1).
I wonder what they are going to do about gun games like Super Scope 6 and Duck Hunt, maybe there is something in that wierd revolution controler that will be used for this without actually being a gun per se.

Also notable is the ommissions from the list.
Why Donkey Kong Country and DKC2 but not DKC3?
Which game are they talking about for "Zelda" under N64? Majoras Mask? Ocarina of Time?
Where are the Mario Kart games?
Super Smash Bros?
(actually, I suspect the problem with the latter 2 is that if they were available on the download service, there would be much less reason to buy the newer versions)

Re:I wonder if this is true emulation... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14460407)

Why Donkey Kong Country and DKC2 but not DKC3?

Two answers, and they both relate to Microsoft:

  • Early emulators need to be "hacked" to get individual games to run, which is why the Xbox 360's backward compatibility list was so short at launch. (As an emulator matures, it can run eh-vee-ting without hacks; see Nintendulator.)
  • Rare owns a share of the copyright and trademark in the Donkey Kong Country series, and Rare is now owned by the maker of Xbox 360, which will compete with the Revolution. Perhaps Nintendo could negotiate a license only for the first two titles in time for this survey.

Re:I wonder if this is true emulation... (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14462265)

Re the first comment, there are games listed that are more complex than DKC3.
Also, SNES emulation is not exactly rocket science (especially for Nintendo who would probobly have all sorts of information in their archives including scematics, design documents, source code for various games etc etc)

DS Player, Possibly? (1)

Benedick (737361) | more than 8 years ago | (#14450132)

One intersting add-on for the GameCube is the GameBoy Player. If you don't know, it's an adapter that lets the Cube play GBA games. There was a previous adapter that let you play GBC Pokemon games on the N64. I sense a trend.

But how, you might ask, can you emulate the touch-screen DS on a TV? How about with the Revolution's TV-Remote controller? Think about it: if you have a widescreen TV, you could put the two DS screens side-by-side (might make Sonic Rush a bit strange) and use the pointing controller like the DS's stylus. On a 4:3 TV, you could put the screens one on top of the other.

Now admittedly, the resolution of the DS is such that the games wouldn't look all that great, but that's not the point. The point is adding one more unique aspect to Nintendo's unusual gaming approach. And while the games wouldn't compare to 360/PS3, they'd be close to N64 standards, and that's not too bad. Remember for many people, especially younger players who Nintendo targets, it's the games that count, not the ultra-realistic graphics.

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