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Thunderbird 1.5 Arrives

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the fresh-from-their-brains-to-your-door dept.

Mozilla 399

Tech Support writes "Thunderbird 1.5 is here! It's ready to download, so get going. Finally, Firefox 1.5 has its counterpart. New features included automatic updates, anti-phishing protection, inline spellchecking, saved search folders, podcasting, RSS improvements, the ability to delete attachments from messages, and a whole lot more."

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DoD (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453457)

Dupe from Digg.....

But does it have... (1)

fishman (66396) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453458)

A calendar built in??

Re:But does it have... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453464)

Isn't that what Sunbird is supposed to be for?

it is (4, Insightful)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453505)

It'd be nice if they were aware of each other.

Re:it is (0)

Etyenne (4915) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453594)

Seamonkey

Re:it is (1)

Etyenne (4915) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453611)

Oups. I just checked and Seamonkey does not include the calendar. Sorry for hitting reply too fast !

Actually, not Seamonkey (4, Informative)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453871)

What you really want is Lightning [mozilla.org] . Unfortunately, they appear to have missed their December 2005 target release date for v0.1

Re:it is (1)

griffjon (14945) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453908)

Yeah, but sunbird's nowhere near as far along as Thunderbird, it's far too buggy right now to get included.

Re:But does it have... (3, Informative)

irenetheno (643089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453740)

The Lightning project [mozilla.org] is Thunderbird with calendaring built-in.

mod parent up (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453805)

Sunbird is the calender solution for firefox/thunderbird.

Re:But does it have... (4, Funny)

yobjob (942868) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453596)

And just what is wrong with the Playboy Calendar?

Re:But does it have... (4, Informative)

epiphani (254981) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453614)

Honestly, this is the very feature Thunderbird is lacking that prevents me from switching to it. I get a whole bunch of VCAL messages from my Outlook-utilizing co-workers, which end up simply in my head since I use pine.

If thunderbird had VCAL support and very basic calendaring, I'd switch because then I'd actually have a reason to use it over pine.

No, and in addition... (2, Insightful)

SenorCitizen (750632) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453707)

...the Calendar XPI add-on that I used with 1.06 doesn't work with the new version. Bummer. This seems to be a problem with all Firefox/Thunderbird updates -- add-ons never seem to work with new versions. Or rather, they're blocked automatically even if they would work without an update.

Re:But does it have... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453884)

A calendar built in??

Not yet.

http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Lightning [mozilla.org]

Frost Prist (-1, Offtopic)

Uber Banker in China (945326) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453465)

First comment from China!

automatics updates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453467)

Is this also included in the Linux version ?
Wouldn't make much sense, as most distros have a decent software update mechanism...

Ubuntu packages (1, Interesting)

gsasha (550394) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453468)

Are there packages for (K)Ubuntu available for it somewhere?
And while we are at it, are there [semi-]official Firefox 1.5 packages Ubuntu?

Re:Ubuntu packages (1)

davidstrauss (544062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453735)

Thunderbird 1.5 has the potential to be in Backports eventually. Firefox will never be an official backport for Ubuntu 5.10. If you really want Firefox 1.5 in Ubuntu 5.10, there's an article on the Ubuntu wiki describing several ways to install it without hurting programs that depend on Firefox 1.0.x. I'm not aware of a .deb package for Ubuntu 5.10 to properly install Firefox 1.5 alongside the existing Firefox 1.0.x.

You could also pick up Dapper early, which is what I've done, but I also have a 5G iPod and other hardware devices that don't work well with Ubuntu 5.10.

Does it move sent mail into the appropriate folder (2, Interesting)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453477)

ie the one the replying to the email from is located?

Actually, I stopped using Thunderbird when I lost all my email in my last Windows backup/restore. Now I just use my Gmail from Firefox account. Does it have anything cool in it that means there's actually a point in using an email client any more, or do I just stick with my browser?

Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol (2, Informative)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453567)

Why not use IMAP? IMO, it's the best of both worlds: Messages are stored on the server, so you can still get them (from anywhere) if your client stops working, and you get all of the nice features of Thunderbird.

Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol (4, Informative)

n00tz (926304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453719)

If IMAP isn't available for your email: Thunderbird allows you to "leave the (POP) messages on the server", "don't delete (from server) until moved from inbox", and "fetch headers only" from server.

I use "leave messages on server" and "Don't Delete" functions for portability as well as being able to access the same mailbox(es) from multiple computers(ie. pulling my personal mail to my work computer and leaving it available for home computer, or pulling my gmail account email to the email client and keeping it available on webmail too).

I also backup my %root%/Documents and Settings/%username%/Application Data/Thunderbird folder to keep my email settings the same as they were pre-reformat if I'm doing a backup before I reinstall windows every ~3 months or so. You can do the same with Firefox, but I have run into some problems if I saved said profile folder from one version and tried to port it into a new version. The easy fix is to make sure you keep the installer from the last version of software, replace the profile folder, and upgrade with the newest installer.

Re:Does it move sent mail into the appropriate fol (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453638)

I have a lot of knowledge stored in my email folders. It's nice to be able to find and read stuff even when I'm not connected.

That, by the way, is my largest gripe with net-based applications: I can't use them when on the local train, or on the bus, or when there is a network problem.

but does it still hang (1)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453482)

On autosave when there are embedded images in html mail?

 

Don't... make... me... choose... (0, Offtopic)

Jim in Buffalo (939861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453484)

On the PCs I use, Thunderbird is my only choice for email, but on the Mac I'm still married to Mail.app. Don't make me choose!

Re:Don't... make... me... choose... (1)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453693)

My only choice for mail is Ultrafunk Popcorn...

Re:Don't... make... me... choose... (2, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453894)

I use Mail too, but I still have to have Thunderbird anyway. Now, if only Apple would make a News.app...

Vertical Panes? (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453487)

There was one thing that Outlook 2003 got right and that was the tiling of the folder, inbox and message panes vertically. Has this got it? Or does this need an extension?

Re:Vertical Panes? (1)

Zarel (900479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453521)

There was one thing that Outlook 2003 got right and that was the tiling of the folder, inbox and message panes vertically. Has this got it? Or does this need an extension?
I believe Thunderbird has already had this feature for a LONG time.

Re:Vertical Panes? (4, Informative)

TeacherOfHeroes (892498) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453548)

This has been in Thunderbird since at least 1.0

View > Layout > Vertical View

Re:Vertical Panes? (4, Insightful)

davidstrauss (544062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453750)

Yeah, but it sucks because Thunderbird doesn't support the part that makes it workable: multiline listings for the messages. You can't comfortably fit message data in a small column without a creative layout.

Deleting attachments from messages. (3, Insightful)

aphoenix (877085) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453493)

That's a tasty feature. Why isn't there a "Spread Thunderbird" website? mmm... Spread...

Re:Deleting attachments from messages. (4, Funny)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453877)

"Why isn't there a "Spread Thunderbird" website? mmm... Spread..."

On the heels of the Bird Flu pandemic, I'm not convinced this would be good publicity.

Just like the release candidate (0)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453495)

I downloaded the RC a few weeks ago, and I have to admit that it's great. If 1.5 final is any better, then it'll definately be worth downloading. Now if only they'd get Sunbird completed...

Pussies, the lot of you (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453499)

Real men use mutt [mutt.org] .

Re:Pussies, the lot of you (-1, Flamebait)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453559)

All mailers suck. Mutt sucks less.
Unfortunately, it still sucks.

Re:Pussies, the lot of you (2, Funny)

trandism (835011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453774)

Have you tried telnet host 25?

Re:Pussies, the lot of you (1)

heavy snowfall (847023) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453659)

Agreed. Very useful to ssh home and check my mail securely. Same with elinks [elinks.or.cz]

hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs (2, Informative)

Adult film producer (866485) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453501)

I hope they've fixed some of the more glaring bugs, such as when an email has lots and lots of attachments that fill up the window, making it next to impossible to read the content of the email (the attachment bucket at the bottom just grows and grows, with no way to shrink it.)

I also notice that when having "Full Headers" viewable, it's impossible to read the content of the email.

Re:hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs (-1, Troll)

Rantastic (583764) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453689)

such as when an email has lots and lots of attachments that fill up the window

The fix for that has been avialable for some time. It is called tar.

Re:hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs (5, Informative)

Derek Pomery (2028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453806)

Trivial to fix with a custom userChrome.css stylesheet.
I don't have Thunderbird, but I had problem with expanded headers so I simply did the following: /* if full headers are enabled, trigger a scrollbar after ten lines */
#msgHeaderView
{
max-height: 10em;
overflow: auto;
} /* keep the enigmail box from creating a scrollbar - annoying */
#expandedEnigmailBox
{
max-width: 80em;
}

I don't know if the DOM Inspector is available for Thunderbird, but every time I want to
tweak the suite a little, I actually edit it. No harder than editing a web page.

Re:hope they fixed some of the more glaring bugs (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453930)

When you check mail from multiple accounts, does it tell you yet
  • Which account it's checking
  • How big the mail messages it's downloading are
  • How long to completion
Us poor people who still can only get dialup really could use that.

Maybe Outlook import has improved (2, Informative)

Commander Spock (796626) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453515)

Several versions ago, I tried to import all of my mail from Outlook (8 years worth, not ready to abandon my mail archive yet), and Thunderbird did a horrible job of it, preventing me from switching mail platforms.
I'll give it another shot with this version, as I would love to be able to get away from Outlook once and for all.

Re:Maybe Outlook import has improved (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453742)

Several versions ago, I tried to import all of my mail from Outlook


Today's version 1.5 got to that point with me about 10 seconds into the install, and immediately handled it without nary a message. However I might have preferred a dialog box mentioning that it found no data files, since Outlook isn't installed on that machine.

Re:Maybe Outlook import has improved (1)

kalbzayn (927509) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453768)

8 years worth of email? Really? I wonder what would happen if you needed to import all of that into Outlook.

You could always try starting with Thunderbird today and use it for all new emails. If you find that you need any old emails, you could move those ones as you find out that you need them.

After a few months, you would never need those old ones.

Or is it possible to maybe export only a year's worth or a few months at a time instead of all 8 years?

Upgrade (3, Funny)

Doggan (945328) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453535)

That's a 1.5-1.07 => .43/1.07 => .401*100 => 40.1% upgrade!

Re:Upgrade (4, Funny)

aug24 (38229) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453714)

Hmm. I remember upgrading from Win 98 to Win 2000, and I don't recall a 2039% improvement. Maybe I got a dodgy copy.

Justin.

Re:Upgrade (1)

trandism (835011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453746)

You sure got a dodgy copy.. All copies were dodgy IIRC.

Re:Upgrade (1)

n00tz (926304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453875)

or from 2000 to XP:

decimal = 2000
ASCII = XP->binary = 0101100001010000->decimal = 22608

22608/2000 = 1130.4% or 1030.4% improvement

even with curving the ~5% actual improvement from 2000 -> XP, the move to vista would, in theory, be 3,106.2796620665251238499646142958% improvement. We _KNOW_ that isn't happening. Microsoft needs to set their goals a little more achievable ;-)

Re:Upgrade (1)

Uber Banker in China (945326) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453849)

Or (1.5/1.07)-1=40.2% upgrade!

Still no multiple SMTP (1)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453542)

I asked around version 0.8 ... but I still have to rely on third party plugins for multiple SMTP.

When are they going to take SMTP out of the account, and associate with the connection ?

Grrr arrggh...

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453598)

Did you even bother to install it. If you look at the Account Settings and try to change your Outgoing Server settings(SMTP) you will see a menu where you can add en remove multiple smtp servers. You can hook up each account you have with a smtp server you specified there.

I feel so stupid now! (1)

IAAP (937607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453663)

For a particular account, go to "Properties" then to "Server Settings", then click on "Advanced". There's a "SMTP" tab. But, you can't type what you want into that dropdown list box.

How are you supposed to put in the SMTP server that you want?

Re:I feel so stupid now! (1)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453769)

How are you supposed to put in the SMTP server that you want?


Are you serious? Here's how it works, at least on my mac (I think it worked on my xp box, also):

Tools > account settings > pick the "account" at the bottom that says outgoing mail server (SMTP) > click the add button. Then when you're done adding one, it will be added to all the SMTP drop downs.

I'm using a Tbird 1.5 beta, but I remember similar steps in the past.

SMTP is CONNECTION related (1)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453798)

"account settings"

Again - SMTP settings are not ACCOUNT related, they are CONNECTION related.

Re:I feel so stupid now! (1)

Valafar (309028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453841)

In version 1.0.7 (and I assume 1.5):

Click on Tools->Account Settings. In the list box on the left, the last entry says "Outgoing Server (SMTP)". Click on it. On the lower right there is a button entitiled "Advanced". Click on it. A small window will appear, allowing you to enter SMTP Servers to your hearts content. Once you have your SMTP servers entered, go to each mail account. Click on "Server Settings", then click on the "Advanced Button" in the lower right hand corner. Select the "SMTP" tab in the resulting dialog window. From the drop down, select the SMTP server you entered wish to use with this email account.

Hope that helps.

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (-1, Troll)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453715)

Excuse me troll, but I've been using it since 0.8, the point is I don't have AN outgoing SMTP server, I have 4 or so depending on where I am at which time of the day and in what circumstance or VPN I am connected to.

And going into the options area evertime I want to send an e-mail is just stupid.

Every other e-mail client I have used has this facility, why not TB ?

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (1)

IAAP (937607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453620)

...but I still have to rely on third party plugins for multiple SMTP.

Which ones do you use?

Back when I had multiple accounts with multiple ISPs, I just ended up having one account forward to the other...really clogged things up and confused me to no end.

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (1)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453681)

I use 'Buttons 0.5.1', it gives me an SMTP server selection in the compose e-mail dialog.

Not perfect, but a reasonable work around.

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (1)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453846)

If you don't mind hitting a selector on your composition page, the from: line is a selector bar these days. Make two similar accounts, only give each one a different SMTP server. Then, change your from: line when you compose as needed.

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (1)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453899)

['. Make two similar accounts, only give each one a different SMTP server. ']

In my case, with around 8 accounts, and 4 connectons - that's 32 combinations.

Not really workable :)

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453624)

this has been available since 1.0 IIRC

I have been using Tb 1.0.7 for the past few months for 4 different SMTP services and I am not relying on any plugins.

Next time try installing the application and having a look in SMTP settings.

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (1)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453749)

"Next time try installing the application and having a look in SMTP settings."

Next time troll, try reading the problem before making stupid comments.

SMTP lets me change which SINGLE SMTP server is currently in use, it doesn't allow for multiple SMTP servers.

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (1)

SuperficialRhyme (731757) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453865)

No, in "Outgoing Server (SMTP) Settings" click the advanced button and it lets you specify multiple SMTP servers. As long as you set them up properly you can use as many as you want.

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (1)

blametheduck (569011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453711)

That's simply not true.

I use this feature since 1.0.2 and it works fine. It's not enabled by default (all accounts use the smtp server of the first account you enter) but then again it's not too hard to find (Properties > Outgoing Server > Advanced).

duck

Re:Still no multiple SMTP (1)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453736)

Excellent - so you have said I can have any ONE SMTP server I want, at any one time there is only ONE SMTP server. What I need, and lots of other people (based upon the threads upstairs) - is multiple simultaneous SMTP servers, not associated to the account - but rather the particular connection.

On 1.5 you can. (3, Informative)

IAAP (937607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453757)

I just downloaded 1.5.

Click on the "Properties", Click on the "Outgoing Server", Click on "Add". There you can add the SMTP server you want.

Then to associate the server you want for a particular account. Go into that account's main Account Settings page and you'll see a dropdown listbox that will have the SMTP server you just added.

It's working a bit different from 1.0.7.

Re:On 1.5 you can. (2, Insightful)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453778)

"Then to associate the server you want for a particular account. " However, SMTP servers are not associated with an account, but a connection. Unless you have lots of open relays in your ISPs, which I don't.

Ahh. (1)

IAAP (937607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453792)

I get what you're saying now. Sorry.

Threading (2, Interesting)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453551)

I've found Gmail's threading to be much more superior over Thunderbird's (despite Gmail's simplicity in threading, or perhaps because of it). Has thunderbird improved in this regard?

At least mozilla.org does not get ./'ed (0, Offtopic)

frinkacheese (790787) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453560)

Well, not at the moment anyway. Shows, you can have a /. proof site if you *really* want it.

Got thunderbird 1.5, just deployed it to all our SunRay users, it looks oright.

In Portage already? (2, Informative)

Metasquares (555685) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453584)

Wow, mozilla-thunderbird-1.5 is already in Portage. The binary isn't yet, though.

If you prefer integration.... (3, Informative)

CTho9305 (264265) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453585)

If you like an integrated suite, be sure to give SeaMonkey [mozilla.org] a try. It's got pretty much the same features as Thunderbird 1.5, but also includes a browser and more.

i still use outlook express (-1, Troll)

Gay for Linux (942545) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453613)

it's just an e-mail program, who cares. hell i used netscape 3.0 for e-mail until 2004.

thunderbird & "exchange" (1)

brenddie (897982) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453636)

What can be combined with thunderbird that will be good enough to finally migrate from outlook exchange?

Multiple SMTP support? (1)

poeidon1 (767457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453639)

Does it have multiple and *independent* SMTP support or I am still stuck on Kmail.

What about the usenet filters? (1)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453642)

Can you filter cross posts in usenet? I ask because the functionality is there in mozilla, it just hasn't been exposed in the UI.

Mozilla also has a bug that if you filter on one author it takes out the entire thread instead of just that author and replies to him/her.

Does Thunderbird go beyond that bug?

Multiple SMTP? (1)

boxxa (925862) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453645)

I remember when I used to use thunderbird, I would always send email from teh wrong smtp server. Did they find a way to better organize them and possible, send mail from the same domain as it was recieved?

Podcasting? In an email application?? (4, Insightful)

timbck2 (233967) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453656)

Can anyone say "feature creep"?

Re:Podcasting? In an email application?? (2, Informative)

wossName (24185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453823)

No, from what I see (Bugzilla entry) this is just a way to represent Podcast links in RSS feeds like e-mail attachments.

If there was functionality to podcast built into TB, I'd agree with you, though.

Still no contact Management... (1)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453670)


I guess I'm stuck with web mail and OLK. Sad but true.
Until I can print an address book with more than 3-4 contacts per page with something else that OLK, I'm stuck.

Does it have.... (2, Interesting)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453729)

the option to use pure text? That is, no HTML what so ever. Not in the text, not when qouting, not ever? I've read a million howtos about this (for previous versions, on Win and Linux), but haven't been able to totally disable HTML - afaik it's not possible. Somebody please correct me.

Re:Does it have.... (2, Informative)

gall0ws (902335) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453751)

Edit -> Preference -> Composition -> Send Options
It should be enough..

Re:Does it have.... (1)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453869)

Unfortunately not. Nothing in there can get rid of all HTML, unless you're talking about new options in the new version?

on the mac version, at least... (1)

artifex2004 (766107) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453903)

it's options > format > plain-text

That should do it.

thunderbird & "exchange" (1)

brenddie (897982) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453747)

What can be combined with thunderbird that will be good enough to finally migrate from outlook exchange?
Thunderbird seems mature enough now.

no changes since RC2 (5, Informative)

AndyST (910890) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453765)

If you had 1.5rc2 installed: Scott MacGregor wrote [mozillazine.org] that the 1.5 release has no changes since rc2. So you won't need to update unless you really want that build date (like me)

This release equals RC2 ! (1, Redundant)

Hakubi_Washu (594267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453767)

No need to download if you have 1.5 RC2 installed already, there have been no changes.

Speed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14453783)

I tried an earlier version on my freenix box, and in most respects Thunderbird was pretty nice. However, when typing messages there was a noticable lag from key press to letter on screen (on 500 Mhz machine with a 16MB video card -- not fast, but should be adequate). Sometimes, I think developers working and testing on zillion-gHz computers, tends to mask performance issues that IMHO are probably bugs...

Podcasting? (0, Redundant)

analog_line (465182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453793)

Why on earth does an e-mail client need podcasting?

Of all the useless features... That dev time could've been used to do something useful, like getting the calendaring addon/app working well instead of just functioning.

Color me unimpressed. The Mozilla Foundation needs to stop playing buzzword bingo before they go overboard.

The Mailer I want (2, Interesting)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453803)

Thunderbird is ok. Really ok. It multi-plattform, uses mbox, has some cool automation/filtering and is relatively easy to set up and recover on all plattforms.
Yet it still looks like a software that's aping last decades Outlook/Netscape Mail crappyness.
What I whish for is this:

Three-Divided is the 5uXX0rz!!1!1!!11ONE!
Default non-three-divided screen. Three-devided is pointless. It sucks. It really does. Nobody really needs it and it definitely is bad as a default setting. If at all it should be optional. This is one thing that elitistware called Mutt actually really does right. I'd like Thunderbird with tabbed fullscreen folder, mails, read and edit views. With easy switching up and down the herachy with Ctrl.-Arrow or something. It can't be that hard, no?

Encryption. All variants. Out of the box.
Zero-hassle, zero compile this, semi-maybe-works-if-your-lucky pseudo wannabe plugin encryption. As in: Start Mailer, Klick "Encryption", Klick "Make Key" and get rolling. It can't that hard, or? KMail and Thunderbird have be practically lying about this to the community for years. Both say they support encrytion. Fact is, they don't. Enigmail is compiling agains a moving target and rarely hits - i couldn't get it to run once - and KMail encryption, despite their bold marketing claims on the projects website, is Vaporware. Pure and utter.

(Note to KMail: If I have to compile at least 2 different frameworks, including downloading some rare, bizar Aegypten library kit and, on top of that, fiddle with some arcane pseudo-plugin architecture in order to get a "KMail Encryption Plugin" running, then KMail does not offer a Plugin. A plugin is just that: You Plug it in and it just works. Bottom line: Please quit lying to your users. It pisses them off. qed)

If only a mailer would offer these features, one could actually presume that E-Mail clients have arived in the 21st century. Until then all mailers suck. One way or the other.

A bug? (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453809)

I just downloaded and installed it. I need it to read/extract content of orders from customers - they come to a different mailbox I don't have access to, and I get them as .eml files.
Starts ok. Loads .eml files okay. But if I want to start it by doubleclicking an .eml file, it shows "d is not a registered protocol". Huh?

Junk mail filter (1)

Rinnt (917105) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453834)

Maybe the anti-phishing protection will actually mean I'll see less spam in my inbox. I use Thunderbird on Mandriva 2006 and have a terrible time with spam. The filters are supposed to be "adaptive", but there have been many cases where I keep "training" the filter of similar spam messages. Also it seems to only catch 50%-60% of the spam...

Don't get me wrong. Thunderbird is a great program (otherwise I'd be using something else). I just wish it was a little better on the spam control...

I suppose one alternative I could take would be to set up a spam filter on a seperate box. Note that "Integration with server side spam filtering." is a new feature!

Performance (1)

BuR4N (512430) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453851)

Is there anyone using Thunderbird that can share the general performance with large inboxes (+10k e-mails) ?

I stopped using Outlook a couple of years ago, not just because it had a tendency to run programs sent to me automatically, but also because it was slowing down considerably when the inbox grew over a certain threshold, at least for me.

Re:Performance (1)

twelvemonkeys (689012) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453895)

I've about a dozen folders, and my Inbox in particular is approaching 30k emails. I've had no problems. Even using the quick search toolbar returns results in a jiffy.

Re:Performance (1)

xfmr_expert (853170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453922)

12,765. Runs fine. I ditched Outlook for the same reason.

Inline spellchecking needs work (4, Informative)

twelvemonkeys (689012) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453859)

I've been using 1.5 since RC1, and as much as I was looking forward to having this feature, I've had disabled inline spellchecking because it's not quite ready for prime time.

Try replying to a large email (100K+) -- Thunderbird will choke and your CPU usage will go through the roof, as Thunderbird inexplicably tries to spellcheck words you've not written in the previous email history. I've had Thunderbird choke for over 10 minutes on certain emails before I finally had to kill the process.

Hoping they fixed this one for 1.5-final.

Linux install problem Solution (1)

Hakubi_Washu (594267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453861)

Since this release equals RC2 I think some of you might encounter this problem I had (and the solution took a while to find). On Linux (SuSE 9.2, in my case), using the archive, the first time I started the shell-script "thunderbird", an error occured and the whole thing crashed. The error message includes the line "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" (Gurus might know what this means, I didn't.). The solution is to open a shell and navigate to you thunderbird directory, execute "xhost +", then "./thunderbird", close the thing again, and "xhost -". From now on the script should work as expected. (Apparently that is a multiuser config thingy of X...

What about Outlook compatibility? (1)

RESPAWN (153636) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453891)

What about compatibility with my existing Outlook .pst files. I have just about every email saved from ~1999 in my main .pst. It is pretty large these days. Now, I understand that Thunderbird does provide import tools, but I'm always afraid of something getting lost in the translation. Not to mention, it might take a while to import from a 1GB .pst file. It would be a heck of a lot easier if Thunderbird could just connect directly to my .pst file, but I don't see any mention of the concern in the Thunderbird FAQ.

Lastly, I see several comments asking about interoperability with Sunbird, and I concur. When the heck is it going to happen? I do use my Outlook calendar, and until I have an application that can completely replace Outlook, I don't really see the need to switch.

That said, Firefox is the bomb. I've yet to install 1.5, but I've been using Deer Park on my laptop for a while so I'm interested to see how FireFox 1.5 performs.

extensions (1)

jaimz22 (932159) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453944)

it'd really be nice if people would update thier thunderbird extensions. and furthermore, it'd be awesome if the extentiond for thunderbird had a differant file extension so that i didn't have to "save as..." when ever i want to download and install a thunderbird extension.

Not Convinced (0, Flamebait)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14453967)

I'm not convinced. How exactly is Mozilla Thunderbird any better than KMail, which I am currently using?
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