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Slashback: GPLv3, Firefly, iTunes

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the different-results-from-the-same-actions dept.

Slashback 275

Slashback tonight brings some corrections, clarifications, and updates to previous Slashdot stories, including Stallman's comments on GPLv3, Firefly fans clinging to hope, sentence handed down in student felony webpage refresh case, GP2X GPL issues resolved, Korean cloning scientist may get to keep his patents, Apple changes their tune for iTunes ministore, and much more -- Read on for details.

Richard Stallman speaks on GPLv3 and patents. Elton J. Won writes "A public forum on the updated GPL was held at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. Although Stallman solicited comments from forum attendees. he made clear that the GPL version 3 will not alter the license's basic stance on software patents. From the article: 'the GPL version 3 is explicitly meant to discourage litigation based on software patents. "This is not a placeholder. This is the text we currently plan to go with unless we're surprised by seeing a better idea," Stallman said.'" Relatedly RMS also recently expounded on some of these thoughts in an interview with PCPro.

Firefly fans refuse to go quietly into the night. CMGaretJax writes "The Browncoats, a fan group based around the hit cult TV show Firefly, and the more recent movie, Serenity, have set up a website for donations from people who want to see another season of Firefly. So far they have raised $840 dollars against an estimated cost of 1 million per episode. An admirable attempt, and one that will hopefully pick up steam, the show really is too pretty to die."

Student receives sentence for felony web-page charge. EMB Numbers writes to tell us that Michael Stone, the student who was recently charged with a felony for encouraging others to bog down a school server with web page refreshes, has cut a deal with the prosecutor for a lesser misdemeanor offense -- criminal mischief. Stone was given a suspended sentence of 60 days in jail along with 20 hours of community service. Although he declined to comment on camera Stone's mother stated that she appreciate all the support he received from the online community.

GP2X GPL issues resolved. gizmateer writes to tell us that after quite a bit of noise from the online community it appears that Gamepark has bowed to the pressure and will be releasing the source for the most recent version of the GP2X firmware. From the article: "Please stop posting to this board about GPL. Dignsys will post up the sources to the new firmware version 1.3.0 next week on http://source.gp2x.de. They intend to release it once the binaries to said firmware have been released."

Korean cloning scientist may get to keep his patents. Billosaur writes "According to an article on the New Scientist web site, disgraced Korean cloning researcher Hwang Woo-Suk may get to keep his patents for the process of creating embryonic stem cells via cloning human embryos. Already the UK patent office is looking into the validity of the patents in Europe. From the article: 'As long as an invention is not clearly contrary to scientific laws - like time travel - research has no bearing on the grant of a patent.'"

Apple changes their tune for iTunes mini store. jjbelsky writes "Apple has modified the iTunes MiniStore in response to the anger caused by its release of personal information. All users of iTunes, whether or not the music store is enabled, are now presented with a page informing them that when a song is selected 'information about that item is sent to Apple.' Users who do not click on the 'Turn on MiniStore' button will not have their privacy invaded."

Targets of RIAA lawsuit turn on i2hub operator. Doros writes "After being forced to fork over thousands of dollars to the RIAA, students want i2hub operator Wayne Chang to cover their losses. From the article: 'At least 42 students have been named as defendants in John Doe lawsuits filed by the recording industry. The industry trade group has offered to settle each case for $3,750, lawyers for the students said Tuesday. "Had the students known that they were exposing themselves to copyright infringement liability by using the i2hub service, they likely would not have used the service," the legal group wrote.'"

Adults exempt from Chinese online limits. Dotnaught writes "The Chinese government has yielded to pressure from adult online gamers and exempted them from its online gaming addiction policy. The rules, which went into effect last October, require that after five hours of consecutive play, players cease earning any virtual rewards such as experience points or beneficial items. To avail themselves of the exemption, some 26 million gamers will have to register their real names and identity card numbers with the authorities. The system hasn't proven particularly effective -- minors reportedly skirt the limits by logging onto different accounts or switching to another game after reaching the time limit."

Bill Thompson follows up Mac security remarks. Bralkein writes to tell us that in response to the overwhelming amount of feedback Bill Thompson received on his recent Mac security article, he has penned a response to his critics. In his reply, he admits that there were a few flaws in his article, and he acknowledges the high level of security provided by OS X's UNIX foundations. However, he stands by his assertion that the Mac cannot boast complete immunity to all security problems. As a Mac user himself, he still believes that the Mac community needs to remember that security is still an issue for them, too.

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Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505274)

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Except they're not.. (4, Informative)

Idimmu Xul (204345) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505288)

Firefly fans refuse to go quietly into the night. CMGaretJax writes "The Browncoats, a fan group based around the hit cult TV show Firefly, and the more recent movie, Serenity, have set up a website for donations from people who want to see another season of Firefly. So far they have raised $840 dollars against an estimated cost of 1 million per episode. An admirable attempt, and one that will hopefully pick up steam, the show really is too pretty to die."

From the site: We are in the process of returning all donations received. We came up against insurmountable odds and legal issues launching our fund-raising drive

A nice idea, and god I'd love a second series, but it was admitedly reaching for the stars, literally!

Who gets the money?? (4, Insightful)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505375)

They may be able to raise 1 million, but if nothing eventuates out of it who gets the money??

As much as I would love to see more firefly, I really don't want to put my money into reviving a tv show when I don't know where the money is going, i'd much prefer to increase my current donations to more needy causes like Oxfam.

Re:Who gets the money?? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505438)

Star Trek - they could use the money too.

Re:Who gets the money?? (3, Funny)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505735)

Star Trek - they could use the money too.

Yeah, I hear that was a good show. Too bad it got canceled. Maybe we should write to Paramount or something.

Woops (1)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505449)

I RTFA & then corrected myself, how embarassing.

Re:Woops (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505590)

I think saying "eventuates" was even more embarassing.

Re:Except they're not.. (4, Interesting)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505527)

Seems to me a way around the legal issues on this sort of thing would be to go to the network that owns the rights from the start- and say "When our website earns enough money, we will buy 20 minutes of advertising on your network for each episode you are able to produce". Then all the commercials could be stories about the donation process, with the web address to donate at...bet it would pay for itself after the first episode went on the air.

Scuttle Monkey sucks! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505301)

Look, just fire him. Sorry SM, but you just don't fit the task...

Firefly fans DO go quietly into the night. (-1, Redundant)

10sball (80009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505302)

from the firefly fundraising site:
No more donations are being taken at this time! We are in the process of returning all donations received. We came up against insurmountable odds and legal issues launching our fund-raising drive. firefly@browncoatsriseagain.com If the money is buring a hole in your pocket, please buy a DVD. Firely and Serenity sales at this time will further our cause. We will continue the fight to re-light Firefly using other methods. Thank you for you support in our first 36 hours of activity.
score another one for rabid fans.. oh.. and slashdot moderators who picked up on the story about a week too late

The Browncoats (1, Interesting)

Tx (96709) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505304)

The Browncoats effort is already over by the looks of things, lasting a mere 36hrs, so that item is already out of date. Shame, I still hope someone will find a way to bring Firefly back. From the site:


No more donations are being taken at this time!
We are in the process of returning all donations received. We came up against insurmountable odds and legal issues launching our fund-raising drive. firefly@browncoatsriseagain.com

If the money is buring a hole in your pocket, please buy a DVD. Firely and Serenity sales at this time will further our cause. We will continue the fight to re-light Firefly using other methods. Thank you for you support in our first 36 hours of activity.

Show Opportunity Costs (4, Insightful)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505307)

So far they have raised $840 dollars against an estimated cost of 1 million per episode.
$1M is relatively cheap for a network. They are more concerned about the opportunity costs. That is, they can get a lot more ad revenue from shows that people actually watch. Not to make any judgements of the show itself--I paid for my Serenity ticket on opening night--but no network is going to put on a show that is a ratings disaster just because it is free.

Recall, also, the attempt to "Save Enterprise" the same way. The money was raised (much more than $840!) & it was still axed.

Re:Show Opportunity Costs (1)

starwed (735423) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505380)

If they were given the show for "free" it wouldn't matter what ratings it would get. They could still release it to DVD (or maybe even to iTunes first) and rake in the cash...

Re:Show Opportunity Costs (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505391)

Come on... Enterprise sucked. If it wasn't "Trek", it wouldn't even have had a second season... But I guess people watched it as some sort of "Trek fix", and hoping that it would eventually get somewhere (me included).

As for Firefly, it was original and interesting, and it didn't even had a full season. So, if there ever was a show that deserved to be picked up for another run, that show is Firefly.

Re:Show Opportunity Costs (5, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505556)

Couldn't we just threaten to blow a new crater in their little network?

Oh wait, transport ship ain't got no guns on it...

Firefly fans clinging to hope (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505317)

Turns out that what they thought was hope was just a candle flame and they all died.

Re:Firefly fans clinging to hope (3, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505476)

> Firefly fans clinging to hope
>
> Turns out that what they thought was hope was just a candle flame and they all died.

Not a candle flame. More like a leaf on the wind. *CHUNK*

Re:Firefly fans clinging to hope (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505642)

Not a candle flame. More like a leaf on the wind. *CHUNK*

Awww, this was a happy thread until you reminded me of that.

Think this... (3, Informative)

shawnce (146129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505325)

I think the following site sums up my opinion of iTunes mini store "issue"....

iTunes MiniStore Is Now Opt-In [daringfireball.net]

Re:Think this... (1)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505393)

I think I might enjoy it if I could customize it to track particular labels, genres, and artists.

I find it pretty damn worthless in it's current state. All it does is recommend crappy music that I don't care about.

Re:Think this... (1)

shawnce (146129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505457)

Let Apple know [apple.com]

Re:Think this... (1)

shawnce (146129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505478)

Weird the change the software feedback page for iTunes from what I last recall...

Firefly - Get Pay Cable To Pick It Up (4, Interesting)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505328)

Simple, pledge not money, but to subscribe to the pay cable service (Showtime, HBO) that picks up the series. If they can get 200,000 new subscribers, between the subscriber fees and the post-season DVD sales, that justifies a 13-episode order.

- Greg

Re:Yay Showtime (2, Funny)

Psykechan (255694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505440)

If they ressurect both Firefly and Arrested Development then my subscription is pretty much a done deal.

Well, as long as they keep them two seperate shows, that is...

Re:Yay Showtime (1)

bill_kress (99356) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505470)

...as long as they keep them two seperate shows...

Great, now I'm going to be writing scripts in my head all day about FireflyAD!

Re:Firefly - Get Pay Cable To Pick It Up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505558)

Dude STFU, stink...you make me wanna puke

So you can't patent a time machine in the UK (4, Funny)

SIGFPE (97527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505335)

That's a pity. If there's no money to be made from inventing a time machine I don't think I'll bother working on mine any more. I'll just get back to my perpetual moction machine then.

Re:So you can't patent a time machine in the UK (5, Funny)

markana (152984) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505410)

Tell me about it. Got the patent in 2035, but it was later reversed on prior art. *Now* I've got to muck around in *this* era trying to establish prior-prior art.

The system's seriously screwed up, I tell ya...

Re:So you can't patent a time machine in the UK (1)

Ugly American (885937) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505441)

Even if you could patent one, it wouldn't matter. Someone else would just go back in time, file first, and steal the fruits of your labor.

Re:So you can't patent a time machine in the UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505524)

But then it would have been invented already, so you wouldn't have bothered to invest your time and energy in inventing it. The thief would have to remember to go back in time and file, but how would he notify his former future self that he had to do that? The post won't hold onto a letter for 100 years and then deliver it to a random location actually, whatever BTTF3 showed.

Re:So you can't patent a time machine in the UK (1)

rixkix (205339) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505575)

It was Western Union that delivered the letter.

Re:So you can't patent a time machine in the UK (0)

kadathseeker (937789) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505606)

I'll just get back to my perpetual moction machine then. Two nymphomanical lesbians tied to a bed?

Re:So you can't patent a time machine in the UK (1)

SIGFPE (97527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505719)

Down boy, down!

Re:So you can't patent a time machine in the UK (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505721)

"I'll just get back to my perpetual moction machine then."

your inventing a machine that mocks people forever? cool.

Felony - misdemeanor - makes more sense (3, Insightful)

Roadkills-R-Us (122219) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505337)

Good deal. This should never have been charged as a felony to begin with, but I agree he needed a reality slap. I haven't looked far enough into the case to have a strong opinion on the sentence, but 60 days, even suspended, sounds a little heavy. Then again, if there's more to it than I've caught from the news, maybe it's fine.

Re:Felony - misdemeanor - makes more sense (1)

marshallh (947020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505559)

60 days? I thought my school was crazy, my friend got a week OSS for doing a simple "Hi All" netsend.

It seems most of the public that has little or no knowledge about technology, either by apathy or igorance, has a great tendency to fear what they do not know about... in this case giving this kid 60 days for something most admins would shrug at.

Educating the public is hard... but the worst enemy is apathy.

Re:Felony - misdemeanor - makes more sense (4, Funny)

porneL (674499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505708)

refresh [k12.oh.us] , refresh [k12.oh.us] , refresh [k12.oh.us] ! (there's a counter on each page. Pity it's such a small number...)

Are they going to hunt me down now?

Re:Felony - misdemeanor - makes more sense (1)

jmcharry (608079) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505793)

Even a misdemeanor sounds over the top to me. That goes in his record and will show up on job applications, security clearance applications, etc. for the rest of his life. Sure, scare the kid half to death, but don't mess up his future over what appears to me to be a prank. You need to quiet them down and to make them aware they are becoming responsible for their actions, but possibly keeping a kid out of university for a high school prank strikes me as counter productive.

It was a long time ago, but I think I did worse when I was that age.

Firefly - let it die in peace (4, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505338)

I loved the series, but was a bit disappointed with the movie. (Well done, but tried to wrap up / kill off too much stuff that should have been used to tittilate us for a couple of years.) In principle it could go on, but I can't see the magic ever being recaptured at this date.

I wish Joss would give up on the dead horse and turn his attention to something new - on a different network.

Re:Firefly - let it die in peace (3, Funny)

sameeer (946332) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505422)

completely agreed.. the movie seemed to be made as a clean way to end off the series, and midway through the story they decided, no, we shouldn't end the movie/series this way, what if people will start paying for the series and we get $840 to continue the series.. I liked the series, but after the dissapointment of the movie, only reason I'd like to see more episodes is if they conclude the story (by killing of the rest of them would be a suggestion).. the magic, as u said, cannot be recaptured...

Re:Firefly - let it die in peace (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505705)

there is a time gap between the last episode, and the movie. Plenty of room for more.

Re:Firefly - let it die in peace (3, Insightful)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505519)

I wish Joss would give up on the dead horse and turn his attention to something new - on a different network.

From what I understand Joss explicily stated there WON'T be another season after the movie (though there was a small hint at a miniseries).

The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (4, Funny)

Dasein (6110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505349)

Gorram it.

Re:The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (5, Informative)

YowzaTheYuzzum (774454) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505404)

"We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."

Re:The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505448)

Yeah, but didn't Bendis die right after that?

Re:The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505550)

Yep, and Mal didn't much like god after that... it was all part of explaining why Mal was like he was.

Re:The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (2, Funny)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505603)

Yup! No faster way to kill off a non-key character short of slapping a red shirt on him and beaming him down with four regulars.

Re:The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505743)

"We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."

Erm... and you guys want me to watch this show?

Re:The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (1)

gpw213 (691600) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505451)

No, it isn't. This is a reference to the pilot, where during the battle of Serenity Valley, Mal explains to one of his men that they are not going to die, because they are all too pretty. Go watch it again.

Re:The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (1)

hawks5999 (588198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505458)

"We are just too pretty for God to let us die"

Mal Reynolds - Firefly Episode 1 - Serenity

Re:The term is "Shiny" not "Pretty" (1)

Koushiro (612241) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505572)

You missed the reference [wikiquote.org] : "We're not going to die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die."

As for TFA, I would personally love to see a continuation of Firefly in some form or another, but another TV series doesn't look like it's in the cards. I've heard suggestions that direct-to-video (DVD) movies would be one way to continue the series, due to the great DVD sales of both Firefly and Serenity on DVD...

Why I like Apple (2)

TimmyDee (713324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505360)

Apple has modified the iTunes MiniStore in response to the anger caused by its release of personal information.

This is why I like Apple. And it's also the difference between Apple and MS. Users matter.

Re:Why I like Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505385)

Uhhh...OK, so Apple collects personal info for quite awhile, gets caught, sits on their hands until it becomes apparent that they are doing themselves no favor and finally addresses the issue - not by actually stopping the practice just by letting you know that they are doing it. Sounds just like MS to me.

Re:Why I like Apple (1)

rocketpig (933454) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505518)

They never collected the information. It was sent to the iTunes store and immediately discarded. And turning it around in a matter of less than a week is good customer service no matter what you say. MS would never do an about face that quickly... Now if only we could get Apple to release a laptop with more than one trackpad button, we'd all be in heaven.

Re:Why I like Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505468)

No one really complained about XBOX Live broadcasting what you're doing to all your friends and god knows who else or Amazon gives product recommendations based on past purchases and search query. But when iTunes recommends what songs to buy based on what songs you listen to, everyone's acting like they've been violated.

Re:Why I like Apple (1)

Kuciwalker (891651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505512)

* Kuciwalker blinks

Huh?

Stallman (1)

hornyasiancoeds (864069) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505372)

More like Mr linix gayrag

WoW? (2, Insightful)

Mr. Flibble (12943) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505435)

"The Chinese government has yielded to pressure from adult online gamers and exempted them from its online gaming addiction policy. The rules, which went into effect last October, require that after five hours of consecutive play, players cease earning any virtual rewards such as experience points or beneficial items. To avail themselves of the exemption, some 26 million gamers will have to register their real names and identity card numbers with the authorities. The system hasn't proven particularly effective -- minors reportedly skirt the limits by logging onto different accounts or switching to another game after reaching the time limit."

And people were wondering why Chinese players prefer not to frequent Chinese servers. There were the recent (slashdot story) accusations of gold farming, which is possible. Or, the Chinese players of WoW perhaps want to circumvent this limit by playing on an outside server...

Note, I don't know anything about WoW servers within China, and whether they acutally conform to this 5 hour limit or not, but then again, I don't play WoW on Chinese servers either.

modified the iTunes Ministore ? (1)

deshkanna (730038) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505437)

Link doesnt make any sense

i2Hub? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505461)

I was hoping to see some discussion on the whole i2 thing?

In this slashback... -3- Categories (1)

layer3switch (783864) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505466)

1) Patent
2) Lawyer
3) Apple
4) Stupidity

You figure out what the 4th item is.

---
w00t!

What's the deal with Firefly? (1, Interesting)

Milton Waddams (739213) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505480)

One of my mates showed me an episode or two of this. He was enthusing about it, saying how amzing it was. I thought it was pretty shit. Maybe it's because I generally don't like Sci-Fi but the show really was bad. The dialog was, for want of a better word, shallow and tacky. That 'western style' guitar music was really fucking annoying too. There wasn't even that much action in it!

It might sound like I'm trolling here but I honestly am not. I'd like someone to tell me what's good about that show. Maybe I'm missing the show's point or something?

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (3, Interesting)

maelstrom (638) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505523)

It's a show that grows on you over time. I found the concept and the first episode pretty lame. Then I kept watching and fell in love with all the characters. I think this is probably why it had such a hard time picking up viewers. If you just randomly tuned in and saw one episode, it wouldn't be very interesting.

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (2, Insightful)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505525)

It's not wrong to dislike something just because the groupthink says you should like it (prepare to be moderated into oblivion though, as this post probably will be).

I thought it was pretty damn awful too.... but then I'm not American (it was clearly in the 'Western' style to appeal to am american audience).

OTOH the TV execs seemed to agree with us as it was canned pretty quickly...
can't have been getting any decent viewing figures.

a black sheep is still a sheep (2, Insightful)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505600)

It's not wrong to dislike something just because the groupthink says you should like it

No, it just mean you're sooooooo much better than everyone! Since you don't like something because others like it, by rejecting something popular, you set yourself appart! You're special!

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505611)

"It's not wrong to dislike something just because the groupthink says you should like it"

Wrong or not, it's pretty silly. Why let groupthink shape your opinion at all? Judge for yourself. You don't like the show...fine! No skin off my nose. You probably like all kinds of things I don't. Who cares?

Firefly is good sci-fi, but... (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505535)

I generally don't like Sci-Fi but the show really was bad.

If (allSciFi == Bad) then sciFi.firefly = bad;

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (1)

Dragoonmac (929292) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505544)

As far as I can tell, its because it was created by the same d00d who did Buffy: The Vampire Slayer and Angel. And if you know how that particular rabid fanbase works...

Note (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505670)

I hate buffy.
I liked firefly.
Becasue of firefly I watched angle, which I liked.

so don't stereotype

Re: What's the deal with Firefly? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505804)

> As far as I can tell, its because it was created by the same d00d who did Buffy: The Vampire Slayer and Angel. And if you know how that particular rabid fanbase works...

I never watched those before I got hooked on Firefly. Then I started tuning in the re-runs to see what they were all about.

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (1)

r_cerq (650776) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505547)

Don't think of it as Sci-Fi, think of it as "Western in a future that happens to have space travel" :)

Jokes aside, I had the same reaction to the first few episodes. Like most other shows, it starts out slowly with a bit of storybuilding, and only starts to get interesting a few episodes later. Sit down, watch a few more eps, and your opinion will probably change.

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (1)

Vindaloo (908408) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505576)

Well, if you don't like it, you don't like it. If you like Sci-Fi, Westerns, and if you think the 'western style' music is cool rather than annoying (what do you think of Enio Morricone? Or even "Train Round the Bend" by Lou Reed (yeah, I looked at your web site...but I think the "True Believers" version of this is better)?), then you'd probably like it.

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505628)

It's not that you're "missing" anything - you are not part of the target audience :)

I love Firefly, but I recognise that different people have wildly different tastes. I for one can't stand soaps, or law shows like Boston Legal. I hate modern art. I dislike rap music and hip hop.

But I realise that a great many people enjoy those things, it is just that tastes differ.

My advice? Don't worry that you are "missing something". Sometimes you are, sometimes it is an acquired taste (most things can be appreciated after time), and sometimes you are never going to appreciate what someone else does, just as they will not value something you treasure :) Try to expand your horizons as often as you can, but don't worry if you find it isn't worth it in some cases. Often, just the attempt will pay off elsewhere.

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (3, Insightful)

lionheart1327 (841404) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505631)

It's the characters.

After a while, you don't even care what they're doing or where they are, you care about them.

Re: What's the deal with Firefly? (2, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505789)

> It's the characters. After a while, you don't even care what they're doing or where they are, you care about them.

And their guns, which also have names!

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505744)

You're not alone.. while I've never seen an episode of Firefly, I did see the film "Serenity", after much hyping-up by a friend who was in love with it.

It was really awful, as in painfully so. The acting was fairly decent (except for the guy who wanted to be Kurt Russel), the FX were acceptable, but the dialogue and screenwriting were real face-stabbing stuff. I got up and walked away from the TV about 45 minutes before the ending. I just needed it to stop.

I can't suffer five minutes of Buffy either, so that might tell you something. I can deal with comedies with a sci-fi / horror premise, but if our future is full of annoying characters spouting off one snappy one-liner / throaway gag after another, I sincerely hope that this future remains in the realm of fiction.

Re: What's the deal with Firefly? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505820)

> The acting was fairly decent (except for the guy who wanted to be Kurt Russel)

If you're talking about Jayne, you really missed the point.

Probably not your fault though; the movie just didn't have time to introduce the characters properly. There were 5-6 scenes in the series that you had to see in order to understand Jayne, the most lovable moronic asshole of a villan who ever graced the screen.

Re: What's the deal with Firefly? (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505771)

> I'd like someone to tell me what's good about that show. Maybe I'm missing the show's point or something?

"Good" is just a matter of opinion. If it doesn't push your buttons, don't worry about it.

As Misty Beethoven said, "some like it and some don't".

Re:What's the deal with Firefly? (1)

WhiteWolf (95535) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505814)

"Maybe it's because I generally don't like silly musicals, but Gilbert's & Sulivan's 'HMS Pinnafore' was really bad." :)

Sure, the dialog wasn't 'Othello', but it was sufficient to the genre, and didn't serve to impede my enjoyment of the series. I found the interactions between the characters interesting, certainly more human than other shows that will remain nameless. I also enjoyed the milieu Mr. Whedon created - the parallels of the Firefly universe to the Post Civil War era United States created a fascinating (IMOO) world for the characters.

Free CDs! (3, Insightful)

VGPowerlord (621254) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505505)

"Had the students known that they were exposing themselves to copyright infringement liability by using the i2hub service, they likely would not have used the service," the legal group wrote.'

This isn't a hard concept to understand. Really, it isn't. If you're downloading music that you see on CDs in stores, for free, it's illegal.

Blaming the i2hub's operators is a diversionary tactic. It's pretty obvious that they chose to connect to a file sharing network, and IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that shows intent on their part.

Re:Free CDs! (1)

MaXiMiUS (923393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505528)

It actually is possible for people to be that stupid, sadly.. but shifting the blame? That's just evil.

No (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505652)

The consumer should never be put into the situation where they are reponsible for how a company behaves.

Re:Free CDs! (1)

pndmnm (807945) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505742)

Unless the artist put it online, or their label put it online, or a review (or other) site received permission and put it online, or it's being streamed by a properly licensed web radio station, or... Nothing is as cut-and-dry as the RIAA would have (and has made) you believe.

Re:Free CDs! (1)

NickFortune (613926) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505764)

Would make for a pretty shrewd tactic for the RIAA though. Get them to sign an NDA as part of the settlement, and then underwrite their legal costs if they decide to sue the download site. A bit like the deal with the lokitorrent guy to poison the well against any future fundraising for a community challenge.

Not that I'm saying that's what happened, but I'd be surprised if they haven't at least considered it.

Re:Free CDs! (2, Interesting)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505774)

Founded by Wayne Chang in 2003 while he was a student at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, the i2hub network linked students and others over the super-fast Internet2 network. In a letter to Chang dated Monday, attorneys with the Student Legal Services Office claimed i2hub placed ads on campus to deceive UMass students into believing the software was approved by the university. It's one of several reasons that the student-funded legal group says led its clients to believe they were authorized to use the software to trade copyrighted music and other files.

Universities subsidize things. It isn't unreasonable from the perspective of someone familar with University sponsored events that a university could pay for the rights to do this, and then pay the fees associated with the music for you. I mean, colleges give free admittance to sports games, and subsidize concerts. It's all paid for by an "activities fee". So it is theoretically possible that they could legitimately fall for it. Obviously I'd have asked some one for more info as it sounds fishy, but the idea of colleges paying for your music through a fee you paid with your tuition isn't entirely left-field, just third base or so.

Profiting from a crime - Patents (2, Insightful)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505532)

In thinking about patents resulting from illegal behavior (I don't know if what the Korean guy did was illegal -- possibly fraud if nothing else), it would be interesting for a gov't to issue the patent, but assign it to the public domain.

That'd keep people from profiting from the illegal behavior, and also not allow someone else to come in and profit from it just because they're "clean".

Sounds like the USPTO... (1)

ConceptJunkie (24823) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505534)

'As long as an invention is not clearly contrary to scientific laws - like time travel - research has no bearing on the grant of a patent.'"

So I guess they're saying there's no need to prove you've invented anything... it just has to pass the laugh test.

Of course, time travel is perfectly possible... and with relativistic travel, arbitrary time travel into the future is not only possible, but a proven fact.

Re:Sounds like the USPTO... (1)

nsayer (86181) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505608)

Of course, time travel is perfectly possible... and with relativistic travel, arbitrary time travel into the future is not only possible, but a proven fact.

Even without it, it's still a proven fact. Of course one's temporal velocity is, for all reasonable human experiences currently fixed, but we are all, indeed, time travelers in a sense.

Re:Sounds like the USPTO... (1)

Zantetsuken (935350) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505776)

Well, if you could get on/in a vehichle that traveled at a decent portion of the speed of light, it would slow time down compared to the rest of the universe (or if you wanna involve even more relativity, maybe the rest of the universe is speeding up???). Though it wouldnt really be traveling anywhere (except wherever the vehicle goes when its moving so fast, but the time travel part would be the waiting), more like just waiting in a pod or whatever for however long, and when you figure out how to pull the brakes, everything else is 5 years later when for you its been 2 years (if you can hold out for 2 years in a vehicle).

and BTW: Einstein proved that, yes it is PERFECTLY reasonable to be able to travel BACK in time, because if say, you met an older version of yourself today that used a time machine to come visit you, and he inspired you to make a timemachine and come back and visit yourself - you would have to make the time machine to go visit yourself

iTunes (3, Interesting)

CMiYC (6473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505548)

For what it is worth, I don't care if Apple is tracking what I am listening to. If it helps iTunes to recommend new music that I didn't know about, great (which it already has)! Should they have done things differently? Could they have? Sure. Whatever. I don't care! Its a fucking song.

I'm amazed at how outranged people will get over one thing, but let another go into the night.

Fuck Off (4, Insightful)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505560)

>Users who do not click on the 'Turn on MiniStore' button will not have their privacy invaded.

how the fuck is it an invasion of privacy?

no personal data is collected or sent, or ever was. it's a feature that turns your library into iTMS links, basically just a tabbed version of the little arrows that have been there for ages. oh noes! hyperlinks and tabbed browsing! teh interweb is stealing my identity!

and even though it was blown way out of proportion, Apple still responded quickly and as desired.

iTunes updates quicker than Windows? (1)

jsx92 (933434) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505605)

Am I the only one noticing here that iTunes was updated faster than a major Windows flaw without me even noticing or installing anything new??

Re:iTunes updates quicker than Windows? (4, Funny)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505683)

yeah, I've already seen posts along the lines of "omg Apple updated iTunes without me knowing! spyware! hax! internet content changing without downloading an installer? that's unpossible!"

I wish Apple had tried to patent the ministore, because then we'd have had a million posts about how it's the simplest and most obvious feature ever instead of the insane FUD.

Re:iTunes updates quicker than Windows? (1)

vague disclaimer (861154) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505786)

I wish Apple had tried to patent the ministore, because then we'd have had a million posts about how it's the simplest and most obvious feature ever instead of the insane FUD.

Damn, and I've just used up my mod points. *Doffs cap*

Re:iTunes updates quicker than Windows? (1)

wootest (694923) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505803)

With all respect to Apple's turn-around time... They inserted an intermediary page and a cookie requirement (presumably) on a cluster of servers they control. Microsoft had to try to test every Windows version/language/service pack combo with a large array of software that could be affected and then push it out through a number of channels. As far as scope and danger goes, you're comparing a somewhat bemused amoeba (never an actual flaw, but a badly documented feature) to a pissed off avian flu here. :)

Re:Fuck Off (2, Interesting)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505825)

"no personal data is collected or sent, or ever was."

Yay! Pat yourself on the back! You were right.

The issue, though, was not about what evil things Apple might be doing. The issue was that you had no idea what Apple was doing. There was speculation--perhaps even informed speculation--but no actual word from Apple about this. Not even buried deep in the bowels of the license agreement.

"how the fuck is it an invasion of privacy?"

Remember that if the information had been stored--we now know it wasn't--information can always be subpoenaed.

Here's an entertaining scenario: Several years ago, I remember reading about some kid who committed suicide. The parents attempted to sue the record companies and artists, I believe, for driving their kids to suicide. Imagine if there was a database somewhere that showed exactly what the kid had been listening to...

Firefly - I just don't get it... (1)

no_pets (881013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14505639)

I just don't get it why some other network doesn't just pick it up and start making new episodes. Okay, I do realize that Fox owns the TV rights to the show but, heck, I'm sure they'd sell for the right price. Besides, there is a rabid group of fans practially demanding more episodes.

Why can't some network like Sci-Fi, FX, USA, or something make a mini-season of 6-12 episodes then run them over and over again. Sure, Firefly doesn't have as many viewers as, say, CSI but the fans watch the hell out of it over and over again. Surely that has to help with ads.

Heck, cut production costs down from $1Million. Just have Mal keep the boat flying on the outer edge of the 'verse for a while and center most episodes on the boat and in the desert or something. Keep the special effects down for a few episodes.

Then again, what do I know?

Another Linux GPL violation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505669)

I've been trying to get this company to release their sources for about a year now: Infrant [infrant.com] . They make a middling network storage appliance. I'd like to poke around in there to see why their performance is so bad. I've tried contacting GNU, but there doesn't seem to be a good point of contact for GPL violations (I sent a message to the email addresses they publish, but they seem to go unserviced). Infrant claims I'm the only one asking for source, even though I know that not to be the truth. Note that they are hostile towards anyone who asks about this in their forums and downright abusive in email on the topic.

Re:Another Linux GPL violation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14505748)

What is missing from this page: http://www.infrant.com/gpl
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