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Disc World (4, Interesting)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526092)

I would just love to see a movie about Disc World.. Ever played the game? It's hillarious.

Re:Disc World (1)

Kippesoep (712796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526153)

Modded off-topic? And Disc World is such famous Terry Pratchett goodness. It should be made into a movie. And the game is hilarious!

Re:Disc World (3, Funny)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526203)

Making the Discworld into a film would certainly put LotR to shame just in terms of length. Actually, it would be a much better screenplay too. But let's say they concentrate on one particular aspect; I wonder what it would be? Suppose the screenplay is novel[1], I'd expect it to be based on Ankh-Morpork, but probably with both the City Watch and UU involved somehow. Otherwise it would need to be the whole plot of one of the existing books, but one which is self-contained and also doesn't have too much in the way of explanatory passages. Pyramids would probably be right out, Last Continent would be doable but probably wouldn't make a good film. So I think in these cases they'd probably go right back to the start and make The Colour of Magic, or perhaps Wyrd Sisters.

Out of interest, which game are you referring to? I've played the first two computer games but missed out on Discworld Noir. My overriding memory of playing Discworld computer games is "that doesn't work".

[1]Puns, like Gods, are brought into existence purely by narrative imperative.[2]
[2]As are explanatory footnotes.

Re:Disc World (2, Interesting)

VendettaMF (629699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526222)

I assumed the great-grandparent was referring to the sci-fi work named "Disc World", rather than to the comic fantasy series set on the body of the smae name...

Either would be well worth seeing, but the former is more plausible as a movie release.

Re:Disc World (1)

virtros (513852) | more than 8 years ago | (#14527125)

I've always thought that Guards! Guards! would make for a fine starting point for a series of Pratchett movies. It introduces several great characters, has a movieish plot, the CG could be great, and server as a fine introduction to the Discworld with out getting too big. Noah

Re:Disc World (1)

moranar (632206) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526924)

What's funny is you choosing the game over the books as hilarious. The first two games were good and good fun (haven't played the third), but I think the books are much, much funnier. Plus, there's a lot more to choose from.

Re:Disc World (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14527062)

If you're a fan of MUDs, try Discworld MUD [atuin.net] --one of the greats. Huge world, nice features, natural syntax, great people, and pretty funny to boot!

Re:Disc World (1)

rjmars97 (946970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526457)

i used to play disc world for hours... wow, and i still never beat the freakin game...

well well (1)

Shar-Kali-Sharri (890290) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526096)

Well it is so popular with fantasy movies these days - so why not. I for one will just hope it doesn't fail horribly. I think TP has been very wise in stopping almost all movie-projects in the past....

Hope this follows for more ... (1)

Gricey (154787) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526097)

I hope that they consider making more of his stuff. The stories are excellent, I especially liked the 'Guards' series. Feet of Clay would make an excellent film!

incubus^

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (2, Informative)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526127)

I think Watchmen would make an excellent film. It's a fantastic story (I think one of the best - haven't read Thud though) and it stands alone so a wider audience could easily enjoy it.

Although, I would also like to see a film version of Mort made.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (2, Interesting)

dewie (685736) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526179)

I'd also love to see a film adaptation of Mort, and there were plans for one at one point. Pratchett commented thusly:

"A production company was put together and there was US and Scandinavian and European involvement, and I wrote a couple of script drafts which went down well and everything was looking fine and then the US people said "Hey, we've been doing market research in Power Cable, Nebraska, and other centres of culture, and the Death/skeleton bit doesn't work for us, it's a bit of a downer, we have a prarm with it, so lose the skeleton". The rest of the consortium said, did you read the script? The Americans said: sure, we LOVE it, it's GREAT, it's HIGH CONCEPT. Just lose the Death angle, guys.

Whereupon, I'm happy to say, they were told to keep on with the medication and come back in a hundred years."


If WFM is a success, we can only hope they might give Mort another go. And Good Omens, too.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526245)

My god, it reminds me of when something similar happened to LOTR, years ago (I think - saw it in a comment on here somewhere) where Producers suggestted Orcs were bird-like and that the Giant Eagles could be used as a plot-device to speed the film up - you know to get rid of that walking nonsense!

It was amusing to read but also frightening that people were considering these changes. Wish I could find the comment and link for more details. Anyway...

If the situation is still like this for DiscWorld then I'd be much happier without any films at all!

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (2, Insightful)

miu (626917) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526310)

If the main series Discworld were to be translated to a format other than books I think animation would be better than filmed live action.

Agreed that I'd rather have no films than bad ones though, don't bother doing it if you can't be bothered to do it right.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526352)

I think you've got a point there, the animated version of Wyrd Sisters (I'm sure that was it), was really good and I think there are just somethings about his novels that animation can capture that live action never could.

Somebody else in the thread mentioned Anime versions, but I think that would be too bland. The animation would need a distinct visual style, like his writing style.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

VendettaMF (629699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526371)

Heh, an animation style based off the older cover art? I'd go for it, though the one adjective that springs to mind is baroque (I must look that one up some day).

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

miu (626917) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526775)

A look based off of or related to the Brittish cover art was actually my first thought.

I actually like some anime animation styles - but I don't think it would be right for Discworld.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14526377)

Distinct visual style: Do I hear cries of "Tim Burton" here? Oh, that's me... Yes, Tim Burton and Sam Raimi, that's the visual style I imagine *g*

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526406)

Actually, I think I'm doing anime a disservice. It could be done well and I would be interested in seeing the result.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526419)

Somebody else in the thread mentioned Anime versions, but I think that would be too bland. The animation would need a distinct visual style, like his writing style.

Note that Anime has several sub-styles with varying levels of character abstraction; a distinct visual style would be no problem at all. I agree, however, that anime would be the wrong genre.
But the distinct style does need to be everywhere. If they release a Pratchett movie that feels as if it was filmed in Hollywood they'd destroy something. The bbooks have a certain quirkiness to them that would need to be in the movie as well - maybe Terry Gilliam should be involved; Brazil was an excellent movie with a nice, strange feeling.

PS (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526429)

I just noticed that, according to IMDb [imdb.com] Gilliam even was slated to direct a Good Omens film that never happened.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

Phantasmo (586700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526442)

Anime is already destroying American animation. Let's not let it within 100 miles of any more beloved franchises.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14526519)

There already have been two animated Disc World films made: Wyrd Sisters (it was seeing this that finally got me hooked after seeing the books in the shops) and Soul Music. They were based on the plays which were based on the books; and a lot of the books have been adapted into plays.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

henni16 (586412) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526610)

There are animated version of Soul Music [amazon.co.uk] and Wyrd Sisters [amazon.co.uk] .

I have the "Soul Music" DVD and really like it (though I normally don't like the animation style that is used).
But the voices - especially Christopher Lee as DEATH - and the songs they composed are great; that's really "Music With Rocks In"
It's just sad that there is no sound track (IIRC Terry Pratchett says the same in the included interview).

btw: there also is a Soul Music Region 1 DVD [amazon.co.uk] and a Wyrd Sisters Region 0 DVD [amazon.co.uk]

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

atrocious cowpat (850512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526794)

"If the main series Discworld were to be translated to a format other than books I think animation would be better than filmed live action."

Ahhh... but just imagine... a Lancre/Witches-Story vizualized (is that actually a word?) by Peter Jackson... even with only one-tenth of the LOTR-budget...

The mind boggles...

(well... mine does, but it does that all the time anyway, so... ah, nevermind.... )

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

miu (626917) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526839)

That the problem though, to my mind even with a LoTR level budget you would have a hard time capturing Discworld. Discworld has a feel that I just don't see translating to live action.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (2, Interesting)

ArwynH (883499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526502)

A lot of his books would make good films, the problem is that compared to the book, they wouldn't look so good...

IMHO the best discworld film would be a new story based on the characters in the books. A film featuring the Watch or the Witches would be nice.

Re:Hope this follows for more ... (1)

LocoMan (744414) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526181)

Personally I'd love to see a Guards Guards! movie (or mini series)... it's a great introduction to the series and to Ankh-Morpork... of course, the fact that it was the first discworld book I've read also plays a part on that.. :)

Johnny and the Bomb... (5, Informative)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526104)

Is currently being shown (in the U.K.) on BBC1 on Sunday nights, serialised, for anybody who might be interested.

Mort (1)

Demiah (79313) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526458)

Apparently Mr. Pratchett was approached by hollywood some years ago as they were interested in turning Mort into a film. The reason it never happened was because among the changes made, they wanted the "skeleton-guy" removed & he told them where to stick it.

Having seen the mess they made of Hitchhiker's Guide (and they had the nerve to stick Adam's name on the credits!) I'm glad nothing came of it.

Re:Mort (1)

NewbieProgrammerMan (558327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526792)

Wow...leave Death out of a *Terry Pratchett* story? That would be...how do you say...stupid? Sorry, I forgot - we're talking about Hollywood. :)

"But you're Death," said Mort. "You go around killing people!"

I? KILL? said Death, obviously offended. CERTAINLY NOT. PEOPLE GET KILLED, BUT THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS. I JUST TAKE OVER FROM THEN ON. AFTER ALL, IT'D BE A BLOODY STUPID WORLD IF PEOPLE GOT KILLED WITHOUT DYING, WOULDN'T IT?

Re:Johnny and the Bomb... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14526961)

Thanks for pointing me to this!
Now I'll be sleepy monday morning :-)

All I can say is... (4, Funny)

DreadfulGrape (398188) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526112)

CRIVENS!!!

And all *I* can say is... (1)

atrocious cowpat (850512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526753)


"Multiple exclamation marks are a sure sign of a diseased mind." [lspace.org]

But you really asked for that one, didn't you? ;-)

Re:And all *I* can say is... (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526806)

It's not deadly until it hits five. Besides, he was quoting a Nac Mac Feegle, and the only way anyone would say that they're mentally balanced is if they were facing a face full of head otherwise!

So, what rating are they going to put on the movie, PG-13?

Re:And all *I* can say is... (5, Funny)

atrocious cowpat (850512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526863)


"So, what rating are they going to put on the movie, PG-13?"

Er... that would be "Pray to the Gods (all 13 of 'em)", right?

Re:All I can say is... (1)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526910)

Nah. I thought more "Wailey wailey"

Re:All I can say is... (1)

Wolfrider (856) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526981)

Millennium hand and shrimp, Bugger!!
:b

OK (1)

loserhead (941655) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526117)

im interested. let's see it. after THGTTG, LOTR, & HP's success the sci-fi and fantasy genres are more prominent.

i hope this movie is good if they make it

next should be something from Piers Anthony [hipiers.com] .

Re:OK (1)

secolactico (519805) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526895)

next should be something from Piers Anthony.

Maybe, but not a Xanth movie. You can only take so many puns before it becomes tedious.

I'll... (1)

VendettaMF (629699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526143)

...believe it when I see it on DVD.

Why would (one of) the weakest of his works be the one selected? The only way to get worse would be to go to the rats book, or the gnomes books...

It really just doesn't ring true to me.

Re:I'll... (2, Insightful)

rmsmith (930507) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526172)

Because it's a children's story and because the Nac Mac Feegle kick arse!

Personally, I enjoyed 'The Wee Free Men' and 'A Hat Full Of Sky' so I'm hopeful that the translation to the silver screen is faithful to the books.

Re:I'll... (1)

VendettaMF (629699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526218)

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed them all, and possess hardback copies of all the above (save only Wings) and I don't consider Hat Full of Sky to be one of the lesser items.

Suffice to say, however, that they are the only books of Terry's that I've not re-read at least 4 times apiece. Yes, they are aimed younger, but, well, even allowing for that I do not think they are representative of the genius of both his writing and general humour skills evident elsewhere.

Re:I'll... (1)

rmsmith (930507) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526273)

"Yes, they are aimed younger, but, well, even allowing for that I do not think they are representative of the genius of both his writing and general humour skills evident elsewhere."

Sure, but Pratchett's razor-sharp wit would be mostly lost on a younger audience. Take, for example, Walter Plinge in Maskerade; I would wager that almost no kids would know that 'Walter Plinge' is, in fact, a generic pseudonym often used in theatre by an actor who has two different roles in the same play.

Re:I'll... (2, Informative)

VendettaMF (629699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526296)

I suspect it would have been lost on many of the sophisticated adult readers as it was, if he hadn't had Andre explain it to Agnes a bit before halfway through...

Re:I'll... (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526914)

Some things don't have be explained, especially if they're just slipped in. If someone gets it, great, but no huge loss if they miss it. Besides, it's great to re-read something much later and then trip over the unexploded joke!

Lois McMaster Bujold dropped a great sleeper into Diplomatic Immunity, p.229 "But I got better!" cried the amphibian. You can't tell me that's not a Python reference.

Re:I'll... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14526175)

Wee Free Men, the Nomes (no g) books and Maurice and his Amazing Rats all have something in common - unlike the main Discworld series, they're all books that Pratchett aimed at younger readers. So it's not too surprising that you don't enjoy them as much as his others - he didn't write them for you.

Wee Free Men did extremely well within its target audience, and even though it's not my favourite Pratchett book I can definitely understand it's appeal as a film.

Re:I'll... (1)

VendettaMF (629699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526254)

they're all books that Pratchett aimed at younger readers. So it's not too surprising that you don't enjoy them as much as his others - he didn't write them for you.

I'll bow to this point, certainly. Though I'll still maintain they also don't hold up qualitywise to many of his other works, even when compared only to those already published on the release of each of the younger-aimed books.

Re:I'll... (3, Insightful)

jwilloug (6402) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526191)

Intended audience, I'm sure. Wee Free Men is written for kids, it's not really supposed to stand against the "real" Discworld books. Presumably the movie is going after the Harry Potter crowd.

And you didn't like the rats book? The Amazing Maurice and his Educated Rodents actually won the Carnegie Medal for best children's book of 2001. I'm surprised it wasn't the one chosen for the movie (rats not photogenic enough?).

Re:I'll... (1)

VendettaMF (629699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526240)

Don't get me wrong, seriously, I hold that Pratchetts lesser works tend to dwarf the output of most of his contenders, and I'll re-read Mauriuce over Order of the Phoenix any day. I just don't think it was as great as the award givers claim, and don't feel it was one of his better works.

That is to say, yes it is good. Yes, it may even border on very good, but TP has set his bar so high with his other works that "bordering on very good" just doesn't cut it any more.

Maurice... (1)

rjung2k (576317) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526354)

Don't get me wrong, seriously, I hold that Pratchetts lesser works tend to dwarf the output of most of his contenders, and I'll re-read Mauriuce over Order of the Phoenix any day. I just don't think it was as great as the award givers claim, and don't feel it was one of his better works.

Lifting from my Terry Pratchett quotes database: [electric-escape.net]


"You could have poisoned our wells. You could have set fire to our houses. My daughter tells me you are very... advanced. You don't owe us anything. Why didn't you?"
  "I asked myself that, too," said Darktan. "And I told myself: What good would it do? What would we have done afterward? Gone to another town? Gone through all this again? Would killing you have made anything better for us? Sooner or later we'd have to talk to humans. It might as well be you."


IMO, the book earns its accolades for that exchange alone.

Re:Maurice... (1)

henni16 (586412) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526915)

Not to sound like a "ME TOO!" post but I also think that Maurice is a great book and is not inferior to other Pratchett books.

Anyway, I just want to recommend the BBC radio play of "Maurice" to other Maurice fans. It's really good.
AFAIK it isn't sold anywhere but maybe there is a rebroadcast of it sometime; and you can probably find it if you search $P2P_NETWORK.

(*) For example, I was a litlle bit dissapointed by "Thud!"

Re:Maurice... (1)

henni16 (586412) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526956)

Somehow, a sentence containing "I like almost(*) all Pratchett books" got lost so the (*)-reference to "Thud!" in the parent post looks somewhat stupid now..

Re:I'll... (1)

LocoMan (744414) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526300)

The gnomes books have already been done, truckers at least.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105646/ [imdb.com]

I found it rather nice, and a very good adaptation IMHO. I saw it on TV before knowing it was related to terry pratchett and first thing I though about it was that it reminded me of the discworld style.. :)

According to Wikipedia the entire gnomes trilogy is supposed to be made into a movie by dreamworks, but can't find anything else about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bromeliad [wikipedia.org]

Additional thoughts (2, Interesting)

JamesD_UK (721413) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526161)

I went to see Terry Pratchett speak at the Oxford Union in December and someone asked him if there were anythought of films in the works. He didn't confirm or deny that he was working on anything just that there was something he didn't want to talk about.

PTerry's market clout ... (5, Interesting)

charlie (1328) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526165)

... in the UK, at least, is huge. To put it in perspective; in the fantasy field, only J. K. Rowling out-sells him -- I'm not certain, but I think he may be ahead of Stephen King, and responsible for a visible percentage of all UK fiction sales.

This suggests to me that, like Rowling, he now probably has enough clout to prevent his work being butchered by the studios.

By way of illustrating this point, he tells an amusing story about the first time round the Hollywood block. Someone had optioned "Reaper Man", and was actually putting some money into scriptwriting, preliminary planning, focus groups, and that kind of thing. One evening, he got a phone call from a studio executive. Who began like this: "hi, Terry! Great to talk to you, we here at XXXXX studios really like Reaper Man, and we're looking forward to making it a great movie. However, we'd like to make a few changes. We ran the outline past a focus group in rural Iowa, and they weren't very positive about this 'Death' character. If we just replace him with Tom Cruise ..."

This is how Hollywood typically deals with SF/F fiction properties.

And that's why you didn't see a big-budget production of "Reaper Man" (probably re-titled "Die Hard 4: Reap Hard") during the mid-nineties.

Re:PTerry's market clout ... (1)

WWWWolf (2428) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526194)

Actually, I think it was Mort, not Reaper Man. But the basic idea of what you said was correct =)

Re:PTerry's market clout ... (5, Funny)

ian_mackereth (889101) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526283)

I was amused when PTerry was talking about the smug way in which the Hollywood ponytails dangled what they considered a huge payment in front of him, assuming that the starving writer would faint dead away at seeing that many zeroes in front of the decimal point.

He shrugged and told him how much more he'd earned from royalties that month and they first goggled and then shut up!

Re:PTerry's market clout ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14526632)

Definition of inevitable: A Pratchett film. Given the current climate in Hollywood (post LotR, Harry Potter and Narnia)... every Hollwood flack seems to be raiding any English novelist's back-catalogue that has any hint of magic in it -- especially if it involves posh English kids away on a jolly adventure.

Note to Mods: ... (0, Offtopic)

atrocious cowpat (850512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526706)


Click on the pulldown-menu and release the mouse-button when it says "Funny". If you just click at random you might just get a post modded "Interesting" (or something) when it isn't really.

Parent: "By way of illustrating this point, he tells an amusing story about..." (etc. etc.)

Re:PTerry's market clout ... (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526996)

If we just replace him with Tom Cruise ..."

Heh, check the comic Nonsequitur [ucomics.com] on Sunday for some good advice that Obviousman gives to the studios.

sweet (4, Interesting)

fractilian (704807) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526168)

I love his books. I think Small Gods would be great to see. If that made it to screen the religious community would go bonkers!(did I mention I like to instigate) Some of his book would make a great Anime feature too.

The Religious Community (1)

ChiRaven (800537) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526276)

The religious community (at least the rightmost half of them) are ALREADY going bonkers about the "endorsement" of witchcraft in the Harry Potter series, so I can't see that "Small Gods" would do all that much more to irritate them.

One problem with making films is that the very best of TP's works depend heavily on the sense of continuity of characters (everyone from Sam Vimes to Granny Weatherwax to Ol' Foul Ron and his Smell) to give them structure. I fear a lot would be lost in the translation.

Re:The Religious Community (2, Interesting)

Samrobb (12731) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526493)

The religious community (at least the rightmost half of them) are ALREADY going bonkers about the "endorsement" of witchcraft in the Harry Potter series, so I can't see that "Small Gods" would do all that much more to irritate them.

I'm a member of the "religious community". I attend an independent Baptist church, and teach sunday school. I enjoy preaching Christ's gospel message when I have the opportunity. My wife and I are working on continuing our education so we can follow God's promptings and dedicate our lives to His service in the ministry. In most all ways, I'd end up being classified as Christian fundamentalist and a member of the "religious right".

So - for the record:

  • Harry Potter fails to excite me in any way, positive or negative.
  • PTerry, on the other hand, rocks - and "Small Gods" is one of my favorites.

Re:sweet (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526449)

'Small Gods' is my favorite Pratchet book. I'm not too sure how it would work on the screen though.

Terry Pratchet's work performs best in the book medium. If he were to try to make a movie, my suggestion would be for him to write a movie script. A completely new work. Get together with a good director and play the film medium to it's strengths.

AoD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14526212)

I think it'll be interesting to see how much the pictsies resemble the small, evil, Ashs from Army of Darkness.

Re:AoD (1)

VendettaMF (629699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526282)

it'll be interesting to see how much the pictsies resemble the small, evil, Ashs from Army of Darkness.

Heh, now that I'd certainly like to see. I fear the (unofficial) censors though. The chance of sneaking through many of the words/actions that made them what they were in the book seem to me at best 50/50.

What about Mort? (4, Informative)

jjeffrey (558890) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526226)

I'd much prefer to see a film done about another Pratchett book - Mort.

Everyone I know says that's the best of the Discworld books to start with, as it's the most accessible, and the characters are the most recognisable. Everyone for some reason identifies with Mort as he confronts, literally, death. It's funny, it's clever, and you don't need to be a discworld fan to love it - lets convert some people.

Re:What about Mort? (1)

shadowcode (852856) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526859)

I'd love to see more of Death, but, have you ever thought about how his voice would sound in the real world? I don't think it'd quite work with real voices.

what ever happened to good omens?! (3, Interesting)

DarkClown (7673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526257)

I guess Gilliam bailed out - funding I Imagine.
But wee free men (and maurice and a hat full of sky [amazon.com] ) would be nice, they are fun offshoots from the discworld series that would lend themselves well to film - for that matter the bromeliad trilogy (truckers, diggers, and thieves [amazon.com] ) would be great as well. Seems like the main discworld strain would be spottyish - I think that all the guards and the witch books would do well, as well as some of the standalone ones, especially small gods [amazon.com] ..

Pratchett on Hollywood.. (4, Funny)

Channard (693317) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526303)

"A production company was put together and there was US and Scandinavian and European involvement, and I wrote a couple of script drafts which went down well and everything was looking fine and then the US people said "Hey, we've been doing market research in Power Cable, Nebraska, and other centres of culture, and the Death/skeleton bit doesn't work for us, it's a bit of a downer, we have a prarm with it, so lose the skeleton". The rest of the consortium said, did you read the script? The Americans said: sure, we LOVE it, it's GREAT, it's HIGH CONCEPT. Just lose the Death angle, guys. Whereupon, I'm happy to say, they were told to keep on with the medication and come back in a hundred years." - Terry Pratchett. So either things have changed, or the movie will end up being a sequel to Charlie and Chocolate Factory or something.. 'Hey, Wee Free Men? Those are kind of like Ooompah Loompahs, right?'

Re:Pratchett on Hollywood.. (1)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526396)

They should have just replaced Death with a talking pie.

Death Strikes Back (1)

AndroidCat (229562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14527050)

Grim Reaper: Shut up! Shut up you American. You always talk, you Americans, you talk and you talk and say 'Let me tell you something' and 'I just wanna say this', Well you're dead now, so shut up!

(Okay, so it was Python's anthropomorphic death.)

What a cruel joke.. (1)

Chineseyes (691744) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526327)

I thought that said Rumors of a Teri Hatcher Film for a second.

This reminds me (2, Informative)

imipak (254310) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526355)

I wrote a (not very good) review of 'Going Postal' for Slashdot, because it turns out to be about hackers and geeks and the Internet. The goodies are a secret nderground of 'information wants to be #Free' types called "the Smoking GNU". When I got to that point of the book I switched from thinking Pratchett might possibly be making vague allusions to the popular (public) perception of "hackers"; after reading the Smoking GNU bit I realised that he was actually talking about the "private" sense of "hacker". Anyway I got discouraged with the amount of polishing it needed, then started a new job, so it wsa never finished. Anyway, so - check out "Going Postal", it's jolly good, and as with a lot of his recent stuff is a bit more ambitious than 'send up Tolkein-esque fantasy fiction"

Re:This reminds me (2, Interesting)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526478)

Since Pratchett has been posting on Usenet forever and has been on the net for ages, it's more than likely that the double entendre in that book means exactly what you think it does ;)

Regarding the movie project, Raimi could possibly be a good choice, although I'm not entirely convinced that the idea is very sound to begin with. The Good Omens project by Gilliams sounded much more promising. Apparently it's still "in the works" while funding is slowly being gathered... So someday, maybe...

Fleur-de-Lis (1)

carpwall (595270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526428)

Whatever you desire. Oh, wait, that's Pierce.

I don't get Pratchett (2, Interesting)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526479)

Not trolling, not trying to start a flame war, not even trying to just piss my opinion all over the net.

I really want to get into him. Anyone, anything to be an (in)adequate replacement for Douglas Adams' sensibilities. God I miss that guy.

I've read Kingdom For Sale and attempted to read one other novel by him. Oh, and I read Good Omens (w/Gaiman) and it was OK. GO really bugged me though; it was such a meaty bone, and I feel like they nibbled on it and threw it to the dogs. So much more they could have done; it was a topic that lent itself to humor. Compared to Inferno by Niven and Pourneille, for instance, it was weaksauce.

So here's my question:
If I were to give Pratchett another shot, what books should I pick up? What are his top two? I'm unsure if he writes series, but if so don't provide me with two books in the same series, give me something more broad. (If I like the first book I'll burn through the rest; I'm loyal like that)

I'd really like to fill the void of humorous fiction; I'm assuming I've picked crappy books and that's my issue. I can't believe I'm missing the boat because it's too subtle or too British, but maybe that's the case. Anyway, insights are very welcome.

Re:I don't get Pratchett (5, Funny)

PonyHome (625218) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526511)

I really want to get into him. Anyone, anything to be an (in)adequate replacement for Douglas Adams' sensibilities. God I miss that guy.

I've read Kingdom For Sale

IF you want to get into Terry Pratchett, why are you reading books by Terry BROOKS?

lol (1)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526965)

That'll do it, won't it! *dons coruntham*

Re:I don't get Pratchett (1)

Aonghus142000 (908581) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526521)

Pratchett, IMHO, speaks to different people throught different characters. The problem with Discworld is that it is not so much as series of books as four or five different series that intertwine. I generally recommend that people start with "Guards! Guards!" (The Nightwatch Series), "Reaper Man" (The Death Series), or "Equal Rites" (The Witches Series). "Kingdom for sale isn't Pratchett, it was written by Terry Brooks.

Re:I don't get Pratchett (4, Informative)

tjwhaynes (114792) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526618)

"Reaper Man" (The Death Series)

Mort preceeds "Reaper Man" and is a better starting point.

If you want to work out where to start for each of the various plotlines, there is a diagram [lspace.org] of the various streams of thought involved. Check out the reading [lspace.org] guidelines for more options.

Cheers,
Toby Haynes

Re:I don't get Pratchett (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14527007)

Good Lord - if you need a graphic THAT complicated to explain the order of books to read in order not to be totally lost, I can't see how ANYONE would ever be willing to read that series unless they'd been following it from the start. Has he ever heard of writing a novel that ISN'T a sequel?

Re:I don't get Pratchett (1)

raquor (947783) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526582)

My inclination is always to start at the beginning. Therefore "The Color of Magic" is my first suggestion. I was in the same place as you. Having finished The Hitchhiker trilogy and the other few books by adams I wanted something equally witty and humorous. I discovered Pratchett and Piers Anthony. My second suggestion...read from there...they dont necessarily follow from one to the other but they read pretty well in the order printed inside the cover. Making "Light Fantastic" good as well. One of my personal favs is "Mort". I too read "Good Omens" and while I thought it was good it wasnt as good to me as the two real suggestions here, Color, and Mort. Both good reads.

Re:I don't get Pratchett (1)

m50d (797211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526783)

I don't think CoM is anything like the best of what he's done. I think good omens would be a better first one as it's standalone - picking the best out of a series usually doesn't work (cf raise the titanic, narnia).

Re:I don't get Pratchett (2, Interesting)

ZB Mowrey (756269) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526636)

First off, (Magic) Kingdom for Sale isn't Terry Pratchett. That's Terry Brooks.

90% of Pratchett's work is set in Discworld, and they're not "series" as such. Whichever set of his characters he's most interested in at the time, he publishes a book about. So, sometimes it's hit-and-miss.

From *this* fan's perspective, you should read (in descending order of importance):

1. Small Gods (funny book, doesn't require a lot of prior DW knowledge)
2. Feet of Clay (my first discworld read, also very accessible).
3. Interesting Times (IMNSHO, the funniest DW book).

Now, as is always the case, others will have different opinions. The man has written nearly 30 books set in Discworld, so almost anyone you ask will have different favorites. My bet is that most would recommend Small Gods as an introduction to the Pratchett style, without having to read every other Discworld book to catch all the inside-jokes.

Re:I don't get Pratchett (2, Informative)

mindriot (96208) | more than 8 years ago | (#14527041)

I started with "The Colour of Magic" and "The Light Fantastic," which were the first two Discworld books he wrote. They do a good job of getting you started. But you could start with (almost) any book. The reading order guides [lspace.org] on lspace should give you a decent overview -- try any of the books marked in orange.

Re:I don't get Pratchett (1)

2sheds (78194) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526660)

I used to be in your position too - really wanted to get in to Pratchett but was pretty daunted by the sheer weight of his main contribution to literature, the Disc World - it's such a massive series of books. You say you're not sure if he writes series so I'll assume you're not too familiar with DW. If it helps, don't think of it as one simple, linear series; across 30 books, it's grown to be more than that, littered with dozens of different sub plots and characters that pop up incidentally in one book but form key plot points in others. Sometimes there's pure fantasy, sometimes there's lots of sci fi; he's big on allegory and parody. YMMV but in my opinion he's right up there with DNA (and I don't say that lightly - Adams is my all time favourite author).

Eventually I realised that it really doesn't matter where you start - though there is complex interplay of concepts and ideas between each and every book set in the Disc World Universe, each book can pretty much stand by itself and you can build up the full, rich tapestry over time. In fact, I'd say start later on in the series and catch up with the earlier books later on - I think that if I'd started with Colour of Magic, which isn't actually that great, I might not have bothered going on - and that would have been a crying shame.

What's your favourite SFF genre? Pick a story accordingly. For example, if you're into time travel (like me) pick Theif of Time - one of my favourite Disc World stories. Alternatively, you really can't go wrong with any of the Watch novels (Night Watch, Monstrous Regiment).

Outside of DW, well, I quite liked the Gaiman book but horses for courses and all that. These days my main problem is remembering which books I've read when I'm standing in the SFF section at Waterstones!

Mind the continuity, though (2, Informative)

r_cerq (650776) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526752)

As others have written, the Discworld is more of a universe than a series. There are 4 major "plot series" in it, though: The Wizards, The Witches, The Watch, and Death

Some books overlap these "series", some don't mention them, and some have small tie-ins. If you want to start with the standalone books, "Small Gods" is a good pick.

For the others, "The Colour of Magic" is good for the Wizards, "Equal Rites" is great for the Witches, "Guards! Guards!" for the Watch, and "Mort" for Death. My personal preference goes to the Death books and the Watch books, so I'd say Mort is a good place to start.

Or... you can just bite the bullet and start from the beginning: "The Colour of Magic"

Re:I don't get Pratchett (0, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526843)

I can't believe I'm missing the boat because it's too subtle or too British, but maybe that's the case.

Or maybe you're just growing up. when I was a kid, I liked Gaiman stuff and Monthy Python stuff, They Might Be Giants, etc. This is all juvenile, dork humor, really. Most fans of this kind of stuff tend to be people who are emotionally and/or socially immature. Once you grow up a bit, all of this stuff seems painfully dorky and un-funny.

Re:I don't get Pratchett (1)

starwed (735423) | more than 8 years ago | (#14527131)

Your loss. ^_^

Re:I don't get Pratchett (1)

Mr. Cancelled (572486) | more than 8 years ago | (#14527070)

If I were to give Pratchett another shot, what books should I pick up? what are his top two?

I'd start with his early stuff, which to me was more "laugh out loud" than his later works (which are still better than 99% of the Science Fiction/Fantasy work being put out these days IMHO): "The colour of magic", and "Sourcery" are great starting points.

In fact, as much as I love all Pratchetts stuff, he's never beat Rincewind & Twoflower in my opinion. They were just the perfect "odd couple" for the Discworld IMHO. The Luggage is right up there also, I might add.

Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music are available on DVD (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14526554)

Both Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music were done as animated series a few years back; they're available on DVD now - not at all bad. Judging by the trailer on one of the discs, Reaper Man was seriously considered too.

Nooooooooo (1)

dvhh (763607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526758)

video games were so crappy even if I like Sam Raimi, and that josh Kirby has faithfully give good pictures of the discworld I hardly see how by current standard hollywood producer would give a good picture of the discworld ( imagine Death wearing leather, just because it look good )

terry pratchet is the most shoplifted author... (3, Interesting)

know1 (854868) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526811)

... in england, and has been for ages.
honestly officer grimes, i've just left me thieves guild card at home!

Not my first choice but not bad (1)

Cyberglich (525256) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526900)

I love his books (have them all from audible) expect for the last hero which a had to buy (book whould make no since without the pictures) I whould have though Mort whould have been a good choice but Tiff chould make a good movie and a hat full of sky whould make a good sqeuel.

But Please... dear god.. (1)

Nik Picker (40521) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526939)

Dakota Fanning is NOT to play the main female lead in this . please please please let it never be done. Also Emily Watson should not be considered since Alex Albrecht [sic] needs no more encouragement.

I think also we should tie up Andy Soekris ( I dont care about the spelling ) .. Since this film does not feature a lead character falling from a great height.

After that im happy is S.R. stays on the project.

Is this rumor just one of many Good Omens? (2, Interesting)

Psykechan (255694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14526994)

There was rumor of another Pratchett movie [lspace.org] that started popping up back in 1999. It's now 2006 and still no movie.

The choice of book makes sense.. (3, Interesting)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14527043)

"Wee Free Men" is one of his so-called childrens' books. It skews slightly younger while still being deep enough for the adults, it stands alone well even to a total Discworld newbie while still containing enough threads of the Discworld universe to please fans.. if done right this could be a Narnia-level of family fare that doesn't dumb things down too much for everyone else.

Converging lines (3, Insightful)

svunt (916464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14527047)

Well, as Pratchett's Discworld series has been getting more predictable, less thought-provoking and generally less entertaining for several years, it's no surprise that the film industry has decided that his time has come. Finally, he's nailed the mediocrity demanded by cinema, bravo Mr P!
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