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E3 Grows Up - A Little

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the put-some-pants-on dept.

The Media 57

Press the Buttons has the news that, thankfully, this year's E3 will attempt to return to the 'industry only' event it was always intended to be. From the post: "The first day of the show is only for authorized media (meaning no more paid-by-the-hour GameStop clerks roaming the floor just for fun and taking up a journalist's valuable time in line for the next big thing) and, as Portico points out, there's now a more dignified dress code in place for the 'booth babes'." I'm glad that PAX exists for everyone to attend, just as I'm glad there are events like E3 where game journos can do their thing. Update: 01/23 17:56 GMT by Z : Joystiq posits that these new guidelines may lead to censorship for mature games. Update: 01/23 22:16 GMT by Z : Additional opinions on this are available from Gamers with Jobs and Heroine Sheik. There's an official response to discussion of this decision from the E3 media relations team over at Gamecloud.

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57 comments

eat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14540741)

more tacos

But we want the babes (2, Insightful)

TPJ-Basin (763596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540775)

I hope they don't cover up too much. A little distraction here and there keep the attendees happy and in the building longer.

Re:But we want the babes (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541025)

Being a heterosexual male it pains me to say this, but I don't know if I could care less about the Booth Babes. Now, I recognize that for a lot of the people attending E3 there is a certain novelty of a real girl who is reasonably attractive being nearly naked (something they have dreamed about since they created their female night elf priest and had her dance naked), but for the most part it doesn't really add anything and is mostly unnecessary. In fact, I think the presence of Booth Babes is a physical representation of one of the worst elements of Game Development "as long as we have pretty, half-naked girls in it someone will buy our game".

Re:But we want the babes (1)

cloudofstrife (887438) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541191)

Yeah, although I've never actually been to an E3, I can understand that too much eye candy that isn't games can be too much.

But bikini bottoms? No bikini bottoms? They might as well tell attendees to not go to the beach while they're there for E3.

Re:But we want the babes (1)

Traiklin (901982) | more than 8 years ago | (#14544240)

But bikini bottoms? No bikini bottoms?

thank Tecmo & Team Ninja for that little rule, the fire department had to shut their booth down twice because of fire code violations (aka guys who have never seen a real girl before were gathering around it so they could feel another guys boner poking them in the ass.)

Re:But we want the babes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541838)

Believe it or not, there are women in the gaming press. Women who aren't turned on or interested in staring at Booth Babes while trying to do their jobs. Props to E3 for at least attempting a greater degree of professionalism.

Re:But we want the babes (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542444)

You mean there aren't enough impressive games to check out to take up their time?

Wrong Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14540780)

It says the first day is "Press Only." It should say the first two hours of the first day are "Press Only."

Not a minor misprint for any GameStop employees that are planning on going.

Re: First day/First two hours... (2, Informative)

e1mer (600484) | more than 8 years ago | (#14546073)

In reference to the GameStop employees that are planning on going...

I expect to say this on the phone a thousand times over the next two months.

E3 has instituted a "Priority Buyer" program this year.

If you work at any of the major retailers (EG: gamestop, game crazy, EB, Best Buy),
then you will not be allowed to register for free admission.

Instead, the corporate offices of these companies will be sent a pre-determined
number of pre-qualified passes. These passes are the only people from these
companies that will be allowed to attend for free.

Anyone else from these companies will be welcome to pay 500 bucks to get in.

This means attendance is going to be way down, but the experience will be far better.

***if you don't work at one of these places.***

Fair enough (2, Interesting)

HugePedlar (900427) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540787)

But who decides who the "authorised media" are? Published paper magazines, sure - but news and reviews websites? Bloggers? Where's the cut-off: readership? Bandwidth?

And what's to stop me making my own badge? Perhaps TFA explains all this, but, you know...

Re:Fair enough (1)

Ultra64 (318705) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541614)

In 2000, some friends and I made up a fake company and business cards and used that to get into E3. Don't know if you can still get away with that though.

Re:Fair enough (2, Funny)

kaptron (850747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542387)

I heard that's sort of similar to what Bill Gates did when he invented the Xbox so he could get into E3.

Re:Fair enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14545990)

You're welcome to try making your own badge.

I have seen some pretty good fakes.

I've never met anyone that has got through with one.

They all look the same (0, Offtopic)

JohnCC (534168) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540791)

Maybe its just me, but I haven't been excited by any game for years. They all look the same, are too short and have more emphasis on graphics than gameplay. Maybe at 24 I'm just too old for games. But do we really need another Quake/Doom/etc??

Real article (4, Informative)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540816)

Following the maze of redundant blog posts you end up at this [igda.org] , which appears to be the original article.

Framed a little differently though, as it's titled "E3 Censorship".

Real Interesting. (1)

Alaren (682568) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541246)

I think that the original article makes for an interesting juxtaposition with the /. article title. E3 "grows up" which apparently means making the show more kid-friendly...!?

I think that Zonk (who generally gets less respect than he deserves) made a real error here: "I'm glad there are events like E3 where game journos can do their thing."

Their thing? What thing would that be, exactly? Selling positive reviews and cover stories in exchange for ads? [1up.com] I guess I'm a bit torn... I definitely number myself among those who would like to see gaming taken more seriously as an art form, and while the change in booth-babe policy might be a step in the right direction, I don't think that censoring the actual games really is.

Yeah, there's a lot of interesting discussion to be had about bloggers "versus" journalists and whether or not sales clerks count as "part of the industry" but I think these are all secondary issues to a game industry show where certain games are not allowed to be shown...

Re:Real Interesting. (1)

DDLKermit007 (911046) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547084)

It's not about makeing the show "more kid frendly" or "censoring" anyone, (only cencoring I've seen was Electronic Arts finally being told they couldn't have blasting music that nearly blew out your eardrums this past year which they NEEDED SEVERLY for the past 3 years) but more about being less horny fresh out of high school Gamestop/Target/Walmart/clerks that should not be there friendly. This past year with E3 was by far the worst year I've ever been to. I wanted to just say fuck it and head over to Disneyland the last day I was so sick of tits, tits, tits, stocking clerks, and more tits. Plus they let Cosplayers in this past year (WTF? It's a trade event. They turned the fuckers away in past years). But at least the tits did serve one function though. It drew many of the nitwits that shouldn't be there away from the good stuff some over to where the shitty stuff was (Nokia, Gizmondo, "adult sims games," and other shit that was well...shit.

"Booth babes" (3, Insightful)

Kutsal (514445) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540840)

From TFA: "We shouldn't be there to critique the women. We should be there to critique the games. And don't even get me started on what the use of booth babes in the first place says about the industry's views of women in general..."

Well, shall we, then, get the author started on booth babes in [Detroit|Chicago|<insert your favorite here>] Auto Shows?..

Or, the commercials we see on TV?...

The Modeling "industry" (female models in particular)?...

Or the entire Hollywood?..

Do we draw a line someplace? If so, where should it be?...

Btw, for those challenged by the thought process here, "the use of booth babes in the first place" implies "sex sells", and that by putting a scantily-clad woman in front of anything will get attention drawn to it.. Since this marketing methodology has worked for the past, oh I don't know, thousand years or so, I'm thinking it would take a bit longer, and would require much education to eradicate...

Besides, most industries view women as potential buyers of their products, just like they view men as potential buyers. Try to notice the pattern here..

-K

This looks like a job for... (1)

Heffenfeffer (888559) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540902)

Besides, most industries view women as potential buyers of their products, just like they view men as potential buyers. Try to notice the pattern here..

Ah, this means that E3 needs a supplement for the female market. They need to hire HARD GAY [avoidinglife.com] !

Re:"Booth babes" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541022)

If I had account, I'd mod you up.

Re:"Booth babes" (2, Insightful)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542554)

Most everybody buys cars. Most women do not buy videogames. The industry wants that to change. To do so will involve changing the image of the industry, and making games that women want to play. Women do watch movies despite the sex Hollywood uses for marketing "guy movies." So the video game answer could simply be making games for women. However, E3 is a showcase for the whole industry. Hollywood doesn't mix race queens into it's marketing of chick flicks just because there's a guy movie coming out along side it.

Re:"Booth babes" (1)

Unknown_monkey (938642) | more than 8 years ago | (#14546054)

Well, I don't know about Chicago, but the Detroit Auto Show didn't really have "Booth babes", there were attractive women in business dresses around the cars doing spiels, along with men doing spiels, so it is really only during the charity event that the women are in evening gowns and even then it's classy.

Media was an afterthought at E3. (4, Informative)

daVinci1980 (73174) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540910)

It's been said a few times, but E3 wasn't about the media "in the beginning." It was about publishers selling their titles to retaillers, and developers selling their titles to publishers.

E3 is thus not returning to anything, but evolving yet again.

Booth babes the problem? (1)

funkmastermike (264946) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540929)

"but the use of and attention paid to the models at E3 is just downright disrespectful to everyone involved"

My god. What the hell is this guy talking about? There's always games on display. The booth babes are barely the "problem" as this guy sees it. The real problem are the horrible shows that the companies put on display that barely tie into the game. These shows deter from the games themselves and are there to make up for a lackluster title. This guy seems to make it out as if the women are seductress's that force feed you skin and games.

Don't take them away. Just Don't.

Re:Booth babes the problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14542753)

"What the hell is this guy talking about?"

I don't know. He's probably very confused. What with being named Jennie and all.

disappointed (3, Funny)

davez0r (717539) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541032)

nowhere did i find a picture of (or a link to a picture of) any booth babes.

so i did a google images [google.com]

enjoy

The first day(s) have always been industry only... (3, Informative)

Kaldaien (676190) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541366)

This article is a little bit misleading. The first couple of days of E3 have always been used for commercial/press conferences. In order to purchase a pass for these days, you _must_ present at least two forms of industry identification, such as a tax stub, business card, etc... And even in the exposition portion of E3, the first day has had restrictions barring many of the stupid GameStop clerks and such from entering.

On the bright side, GameStop clerks and most of the press are mostly relegated to the flashy wings of E3, rarely venturing into the lower cost booths rented by middleware companies - where the business end of things takes place. That said, it would be folly to assume that all of E3 is intended to be industry only. Publishers do not spend millions of dollars setting up the biggest most saturated displays and loudest speakers possible to entice potential investors, they do it to spread hype among their target audience. E3 can be thought of as a slight continuation of GDC, with the focus on marketing.

Re:The first day(s) have always been industry only (1)

nowayout99 (884320) | more than 8 years ago | (#14543195)

Those press conferences aren't officially part of E3. They're off-site entirely.

Re:The first day(s) have always been industry only (2, Insightful)

Enoch Root (57473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14546964)

On the bright side, GameStop clerks and most of the press are mostly relegated to the flashy wings of E3, rarely venturing into the lower cost booths rented by middleware companies - where the business end of things takes place. That said, it would be folly to assume that all of E3 is intended to be industry only. Publishers do not spend millions of dollars setting up the biggest most saturated displays and loudest speakers possible to entice potential investors, they do it to spread hype among their target audience. E3 can be thought of as a slight continuation of GDC, with the focus on marketing.

I beg to differ. Big publishers are parading their millions to let stockholders, investors and studios know that they are strong in the market, and the game is about business deals, very much so, and possibly more, than in the 'basement'. Most of the large publishers have soundproof meeting rooms, and trust me, there's huge business going on there.

Death of E3 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541651)

The media doesn't purchase the games.. I always take the word of a gamer over some journalist giving "Crapflies 3" a 9/10. This will just push an event like PAX to an even larger scale. -Angry Gamestop employee with his "Rogues do it from Behind" T-shirt

Booth Babes need love too (2, Funny)

msuzio (3104) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541674)

But... booth-babe gigs are the only form of employment for some of these nubile young ladies. What will they do now, E3? How will they afford their next adjustment to their fake cleavage without these vital jobs?

Please, won't someone consider the poor booth babes?

Re:Booth Babes need love too (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542600)

They could go into porno and beautify the industry. There are some ugly women in porn who wouldn't be missed.

Boot babes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541708)

Should just stick to porn since they are worthless cunts.

The real work at E3 (1)

fujiman (912957) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541731)

I don't know where anyone gets the idea that E3 is for "game journos". The real work at E3 gets done between two sets of people:

1. Game Producers pitching to Retail Buyers
2. Game Developers pitching to Game Publishers

Case in point, Atari only lets people into their booth by appointment. Frustrating for the digital-camera crowd, but Atari is there for business. The lookie-loos are stopped at the door.

Most game industry people I know don't give a rat's ass about game journalists. In spite of what we thing about how great Slashdot/Games or Kotaku is, publishers really don't care about them because they do not see a relationship between talking to some blogger and making money.

My friend, a producer for a major publisher, only really cares about talking to the buyer for Target, Wal-Mart, and other retail chains. He sees the time spend demoing his product to bloggers as a waste of his time. Frankly, he gets the press he needs by talking with PC Gamer and other established media outlets throughout the year.

If you can go to E3, do. It's fun. But unless you have real business there (i.e. you're going to spend or make money), consider yourself fortunate. I know I do :)

Game clerks (4, Insightful)

superultra (670002) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541919)

I worked at an EB for three years as an assistant manager (an assman, we called ourselves).

First, I know game clerks can be nerds and, even, assholes. That said, I would say that ultimately we influenced at least 30% of the purchases from our customers, especially around Christmas time when the moms come in and want something for their kids. Sometimes they have an idea that we talk them out of, like buying GTA for a 6 year old. Other times they might have a choice of three, and we'd advise them on the best for their dollar. And when it came to the hardcore gamers, we had established enough of a repore that they would walk in, literally ask us what to buy, and walk out with whatever we suggested. Myself and the staff at the store prided ourselves on knowing the games, and it always felt good to see a customer come back and ask for more of the same. I know more about the Sims demographics than anyone at EA. I know more than I care to know why people play the hell out of MMORPGs. I can tell the GameBoy cover marketers which colors attract kids' eyes more than others. Although sometimes we entertained fantastical ideas like Rez selling really well, we could generally predict the total sales of every game that came across our counter.

Excluding gamestore clerks out of the equation is a bad idea. We're too important. Usually at least one of us would hit up E3 every year, and report back to everyone else. We'd run videos on the store TVs to show off what we saw to the hardcore customers. Even in the age of up-to-the-minute E3 reporting, being at the convention was always a necessary part of the chain. It let whomever went notice games the press often passed up on. I can partially understand why E3 wants to start barring clerks, but to suggest that "industry-only" excludes one of the most important parts of the selling chain is ludicrous.

Game clerks, or at least the professionals, the ones that try to do their job well, are the kind of people the industry should be courting, not ignoring.

Re:Game clerks (1)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | more than 8 years ago | (#14544190)

> And when it came to the hardcore gamers, we had established enough of a repore that they would walk in, literally ask us what to buy, and walk out with whatever we suggested

Sorry to disagree, but a "hardcore" gamer doesn't need to ask a clerk what to buy. ;-)

Re:Game clerks (4, Interesting)

superultra (670002) | more than 8 years ago | (#14544514)

I don't know you, but unless you're buying literally 2 or 3 games a week, I'm not sure you know what qualifies as a hardcore gamer. I'd say we had at least 15-20 people spending $200 a month - outside of fourth quarter mind you, and maybe 20-40 we saw an average of once every three weeks buying a game. I think even second tier qualifies as hardcore. They played these games out. I knew this because they'd come back and give us a very extensive review. If they didn't finish them, we knew the game sucked. And we knew these people well enough to hear from their wives when they'd found a game that was too good. All of us at the store could not figure out how they managed to play as many games as they did and still have lives. For the most part these were regular people, as in regular, normal Americans. Some, sure, were stereotypical ubergeeks. But most had wives, kids (whom they played games with), and 40+ hour a week jobs to support their "habit."

It was pretty cool, and I miss it sometimes. We had relationships with these people (and those still at this particular store still do). We played with them on Xbox Live, or invited them to LAN parties and they invited us. I often thought of it as a type of old school, Old Towne hardware store. Not only a store, but also a clearinghouse for gossip. But instead of gossip about the Rogers family down the street, this was gossip about games. It was our job to know about games, and so we did. The people who dropped $50 a week didn't have the time to go through all the sites and find trusted reviews. We were their trusted source. We had the unique advantage of networking on a person-to-person basis. We'd see Frank come in and gush about Game X, and even though Frank might never have net Joe, we knew that they shared similar tastes. So we were sort of a proxy among gamers, a trusted source filtering buying information among gamers in the city.

What I'm saying is that it was more than them walking in and saying, "WHAT IS GOOD," and us replying, "X IS GOOD" (although it did sometimes transpire like that). We had conversations with these people, and we usually gave a fairly complex rendetion of the game ("X has great graphics but is really short, but it seems that people who like Game Y really like Game X.")

Sadly, our game store was probably unique among its peers (it was an EB), and I imagine that it's becoming even more unique as Gamestop tightens its reins. Even though I really miss getting to know really interesting people and getting paid to talk about games, I'm glad I got out.

Re:Game clerks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14546263)

Dude, don't you recognize a sarcastic comment when you see one? I guess his smiley face didn't register with you. You only further illustrate what E3 doesn't need: more snarky game store employees who think they're God's gift to gamers. There's a cliche that totally fits you: guys that didn't have the skills or talent to get into the gaming industry as programmers, artists or designers; so they get as close as they can working for minimum wage.

I have yet to run into a employee that knows more about gaming than I do. They're quick to recommend me the company's pre-chosen game of the month that costs twice as much and is half the game that Katamari Damacy is. This post is going to get modded down, but it's the truth. E3 doesn't need local store employees to clog up it's hallways. Get your f'n company to train you better and set up their own E3 debriefing.

Re:Game clerks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14545711)

Gotta say, having demoed at E3 before, the influence per unit time you're there doesn't add up to making a case for assistant managers at EB coming to E3. You sound like a cool and intelligent guy, but for the most part I have to say 'EB' is not the 'games industry' we're talking about unless you're talking about the corp side where they're doing purchasing.
At E3, you get to demo to the people making the games, the people funding the games in one form or another, and the press. These groups are professional, to the point, exert a lot of influence, and don't take up excess time. Fans on the other hand are pretty much exactly the opposite. They're the beating heart of the industry and not to be ignored, but fans, even those who just so happen to work at EBs, just don't belong at a trade expo.

Re:Game clerks (1)

superultra (670002) | more than 7 years ago | (#14548962)

You're probably right, but let me give an example of how E3 and retail works. Many years ago, one of our store employees (who is now a dear friend, and a store manager) went to the convention. We'll call him Z. So Z is wandering around with his friend and comes across the Anachronix booth. It's generally empty, so Z strikes up a conversation. The designer spends 30 minutes with Z, showing him features and talking about the game. Anachronix had its own share of problems, so the press had all but given up on the game, hence the empty booth. When the game finally came out two years later, the press had forgotten it even more. But Z hadn't. He sold - no joke - at least 15 copies of the game. That doesn't sound like a lot, but judging by the game's quick trek to the bargain bin I bet that was more per store units than any other EB in the country.

Anachronix did not have the marketing money to make it to the store conference (a kind of mini-E3) several months later. But if the Anachronix people had set up official meetings like this with retail employees, maybe they would have at least delayed the bargain bin abyss.

Re:Game clerks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14546209)

(posting anonymously because it really isn't anything personal)

The amount of money getting spent on games there is truly stupifying. As someone who has demoed at E3 several times, your development focus for a 50 person team for at least two months is that one show... which comes out to a few hundred thousand in development dollars. There is also easily another 10-50k on a reasonably sized booth, the people to set it up and staff it, and some sort of promotion. While you're there, you demo for the buyers at Target, Walmart, and EB, as well as selling yourself for a one page review in IGN, Edge, GamePro, etc. And, of course, nobody sends one person but a stream of people. And you deal with overseas buyers and journalists from absolutely everywhere. You might be talking with the buyer for a UK department store you've never heard of one minute, and the next minute you're trying to convince the journalists to snap pictures of the playboy bunny team that happened to walk up to your booth. The world is focused on electronic gaming for one week only, and everyone is trying to make the biggest, nastiest splash possible*

E3 needs to be about 3 times as large and 5 times as long as it is. There is a waiting list for floor space, and you can only get in when another company goes out of business. The stream of people never lets up, no matter what it is you are demoing.

Nobody thinks the EB employees aren't a necessary part of the chain. But when companies with games can't get floorspace, and people with little time have to wait 2 hours to demo a game, you have to start turning people away. And the game store employees exert their influence over the smallest group of people relative to everyone else. It's simply a matter of being a big fish in stupidly big fish-filled pond. And it is filled well beyond capacity.

*Note: I wouldn't be surprised if this year was relatively tame. Everyone knows that Sony and possibly Nintendo are going to drop nuclear warheads, and a surprising number seem to want to hold off until the dust settles to try and be heard.

Re:Game clerks (1)

Castar (67188) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553734)

Unfortunately, in the actual scheme of things individual store employees are not very important. I work my company's booth at E3 every year, and I can tell you who the real VIPs are... It's the representatives from Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and so forth. They don't tell 7-year-olds which Pokemon title is the best, true, but they make the decisions of which launches to throw their support behind, which platforms to carry, and the promotions and things. They are the ones the show is being thrown for, and they're the ones who get escorted around by VPs, put in the front of the line, and wined and dined. Wal-mart sells more games than EB or anyone else does, and Wal-mart not carrying your game is a virtual death sentence.

The real purpose of E3 is the game companies selling their products to distributors. So the EBGames clerk is not important, but the head of EB is. There's also buzz to generate, and that's where the journalists come in - they get the information out to consumers, but they're not as important as the retailers.

In any case, most of the game store employees are influenced by the gaming press, so by giving the press access they get the word out to the EBGames clerks without having to invite hundreds of thousands of register jockeys to the expo. And by rushing the boss of EBGames through the VIP line, they make sure the store is going to stock their titles/hardware, promote it, and enforce policies on the lowly clerks. It's much more effective to target your CEO than each individual employee.

There should be a compromise.... (1)

rubberbando (784342) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542514)

The ladies can be covered up as long as its with one or more of the following skintight materials/fabrics: spandex, latex/rubber, leather, or vinyl. :)

Bodypaint is also an acceptable option. :D

Obilgatory Simpsons Quote & Other Comments (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542549)

Material, including live models, conduct that is sexually explicit and/or sexually provocative, including but not limited to nudity, partial nudity and bathing suit bottoms, are prohibited on the Show floor, all common areas, and at any access points to the Show. ESA, in its sole discretion, will determine whether material is acceptable."

Homer: Whoa, let's not go crazy, theres nothing wrong with a little Hey-Hey.

You can't take away the booth babes, that's the closest some of these guys get to a naked women all year long.

No Scantily Clad women, Next they'll want to do away with violence, crates, exploding barrells, and coin & jewel powerups. Where will it end?

Re:Obilgatory Simpsons Quote & Other Comments (1)

mj_sklar (888539) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542689)

No Scantily Clad women, Next they'll want to do away with violence, crates, exploding barrells, and coin & jewel powerups. Where will it end?
I didn't see anything in the article about censoring games, just censoring booth-babes, who usually have little to do with the game. Do we really need a naked woman to tell us to play CoD2? I don't think so.

Re:Obilgatory Simpsons Quote & Other Comments (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542857)

I didn't see anything in the article about censoring games, just censoring booth-babes, who usually have little to do with the game.

2 words.
DOA series.

Do we really need a naked woman to tell us to play CoD2? I don't think so

Need is a little strong. Ask us if we want a naked women to tell us to play video games. Hell, ask me if I'd like my fully-clothed wife to tell me to play video games. I think you see the point.

Your average gamer teen boy, would like nothing more than to split his time evenly between a scantily clad female and his xbox360. At these events he gets to live that fantasy, well until security asks him to leave.

The industry as a whole knows this and advertises accordingly, just as the automakers and blue jean makers and coffee makers (Ok maybe that's a stretch) Advertise this.

I could care less as I haven't been a teen ager for a very long time. But then the beautiful looking scantily clad woman I wake up next to never ruins my day with her attire. Her attitude but not attire.

Re:Obilgatory Simpsons Quote & Other Comments (1)

mj_sklar (888539) | more than 8 years ago | (#14543267)

If the booth babes are representing DOA, fine. The DOA games feature nearly nude women, so why shouldn't their booth? I see your point about the 'average gamer' wanting a woman, be she naked or not, to tell them to play games, and I guess I agree with it. But they really shouldn't be at E3. You say that the average gamer is a teen boy, which is probably true, and that said average teen boy gamer would love to split his time between an attractive model and an xbox360. As true as that may be for some teens (myself, I'm 16 and a gamer, and while I do enjoy looking at attractive women (what guy wouldn't?) I wouldn't want one advertising a game she probably doesn't know anything about. Sell me the game with the actual game, gameplay, graphics, entertainment value, not an attractive woman who has nothing to do with it), it shouldn't matter at E3. Are teens allowed into E3? Last time I checked, they weren't, so why cater to them at an expo they aren't allowed into?

E3 makes me want to Cry (2, Informative)

CuriousForge (914635) | more than 8 years ago | (#14542683)

I don't understand the obsesion with E3. I have had to attend E3 every year for 7 years straight and I dread it with all my soul. I generally avoid the place as much as possible and only pop in for the meetings I have to attend. I do get plenty of business accomplished at the show, but dread the noise, crowds, and general additude of the average show floor attendee. Honestly, I never really cared about the booth babes... well except for the ones that impersonated real game characters. I always enjoyed those. But, hopefully this change will help reduce the number of random traffic jams caused by idiots gathering around some sad model waiting to get a snapshot. what is the point of that?

E3 a big disappointment (3, Informative)

urikkiru (801560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14543068)

So, in 2005 I went to E3 for the first time. I didn't feel too much like an outsider, my company was there to do business, and I had an industry invite, etc. I was excited, and curious to see what it was all about. While there were many cool things about the show, I ended up disappointed for three reasons. First was of course, the booth babes. I thought it was a bit silly. Now, I'm a man, and enjoy looking at women, however having scantily clad women there with absolutely no real interest in the industry whatsoever was actually a turn off.

However, that wasn't actually the worst detractor from the show. The noise levels, and the blaring loud stage performances were just way too much. I couldn't take more then an hour straight of being in the larger show halls, and had to go outside just to keep my ears from bleeding. The noise made it highly difficult to meet with the various people who actually wanted to talk about their upcoming games in any detail, and have normal conversations.

Lastly, something that I just didn't think about before going, was that there is no place to *sit down*. I mean, I don't mind wandering the show floor, but if I'm going to stop for a while in a booth or view/play something, I kind of expect to be able to have a small break given to my feet :P

Anyway, here's hoping that the booth babe restrictions/changes, while not the most annoying thing about the show, will lead to alleviations of the other 2 larger issues(in my opinion anyway).

Isn't it ironic? (1)

Crash Culligan (227354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14543083)

E3 "grows up," and then is not allowed to view or show mature content??

That's what we'd been saying is the problem with censorship like that all along!

Re:Isn't it ironic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14543770)

The whole problem with so-called mature content is that it often simply isn't mature at all.

"M" stands for "Adolescent."

Re:Isn't it ironic? (1)

6ame633k (921453) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553775)

I agree - why aren't we having a censorhsip discussion here? E3 is for grownups afterall - the average gamer is 27 for chrissakes! People should have the right to display their titles with Booth Babes or Babies - depending on the subject matter of the game. You can't very well advertise Victoria Secrets Bra's with big hairy men, now can you - so having a few Lara Croft Lookalikes is no big whoop. If companies doing FPShooters think they need booth babes to sell their war games, well then that's just pathetic - but it's their choice to make - not E3's. Likewise AO titles should be allowed on the show floor - as long as they inforce the "over 18" policy -who the hell cares? This is just a knee jerk reaction to current legislation. This should be titled "e3 travels back in time" - to 1955.

TFA... (1)

nowayout99 (884320) | more than 8 years ago | (#14543306)

... says that the FIRST TWO HOURS of the first day are for media. I mean, even /.'s article is basically a copy/paste but they edit out that obvious and specific detail anyway.

Suggested alternative policy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14543741)

First - make more good games, thus rendering distractions superfluous.

Second - reduce suddenly needless distractions.

New definition (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14543817)

Maturation, n. A process in which the use of pretty but often fairly dumb people in few clothes to promote products about which they know nothing is replaced by the use of pretty but often fairly dumb people in more clothes to promote products about which they know nothing.

Couldn't they discourage mindless celebrity endorsements instead?

Growing down I think. (1)

Konrad9 (784416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547089)

Glad that once again it's once again going to be another elitist convention. I seriously doubt that industry insiders/celebs/wealthy people aren't going to be going.

We need some Booth Dudes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547423)

Want to attract female gamers? Have some banana hammock action goin' on!
(There are plenty of gay guy gamers who'd appreciate some eye candy as well..) (*blushes*)
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