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Adult Entertainment Antes Up In DRM War

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the can't-we-all-just-get-along dept.

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At the recent adult entertainment awards, host Greg Fitzsimmons highlighted the deep relationship between the internet and pornography stating "'The Internet was completely funded by porn,' he said [...] And if it wasn't for the Internet, he added, 'you guys would be completely out of business.' The audience, packed with porn actors and adult entertainment moguls like Jenna Jameson and Larry Flynt, roared with laughter." Now it appears that the adult entertainment industry has chosen to ante up in the DRM battle as well. Some companies have chosen to take sides, like Digital Playground who will be supporting Sony's Blu-Ray. Others, like Vivid Entertainment, seem to think that the answer is diversity and will be supporting both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

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What! (5, Funny)

poppageek (115260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540751)

There is porn on the internet? :-O

Holy shit! (-1)

SalsaDoom (14830) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540770)

Wait till Jack Thompson finds out -- he'll put a stop to the internet! :(!

Re:What! (1, Funny)

PastAustin (941464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540785)

Don't you remember? I think George W. was the first to discover this...


See? [google.com]

Re:What! (5, Insightful)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540903)

Ironically this is what will get joe sixpack interested in DRM.
You see, joe doesn't want jane to know about the digital stash, but if the DRM forces him "out of the closet" so to speak he will be quite upset (as well as possibly single).

-nB

Re:What! (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541138)

I have trouble believing end-users will have access to the same type of DRM as the media companies.

- It would give them at least some of the tools to crack the commercial DRM, because they could experiment at their leisure with the same protection process.
- Most end users would flip out if they protected something, forgot the password/etc, and couldn't get access to it again.

I suspect that there may be something that's given a similar UI to work with, but behind the scenes is the same crappy, easily-bypassed "security" as in Microsoft Office. To unprotected your porn, hex edit bytes 23 and 24 of the secure folder to E4E1, that kind of thing.

Re:What! (4, Insightful)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541579)

I was meaning more from the aspect of:
You can not play this pr0n on your computer because it does not support the following rights management hardware/software/firmware:
Foo, Bar, and Baz.

Joe: Honey, we need a new monitor and video card.
Jane: Why dear?
Joe: So I can play . . . um . . . my new games.
Jane: What you have already works fine dear, you play too many games already.
Joe (to self): I'm gonna kill whoever invented this DRM crap!

-nB

I do agree that the common folk will not be given access ot the DRM systems. Mostly because whatever they are will be flawed and rely on the DMCA to prevent tampering.
-nB

Re:What! (2, Funny)

CDMA_Demo (841347) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541096)



Don't you remember? I think George W. was the first to discover this...

Another ploy to undermine poor Gore's "invention" of the web

That emoticon is just so wrong for this discussion (5, Funny)

mindaktiviti (630001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541060)

Here's why...

B====D~ ~ ~ O-:

Re:That emoticon is just so wrong for this discuss (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541571)

Dude. You owe me a keyboard!

Re:That emoticon is just so wrong for this discuss (0, Redundant)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541580)

B====D~ ~ ~ O-: Some one please explain. I am dumb. Is that a big cock in someones mouth?

Re:What! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541126)

Yep. Little known fact: The internet was derived from an earlier project, ARPAnet, which was designed so that in a nuclear war, top military officials would have high-reliability access to pornography!

Re:What! (2)

TheCycoONE (913189) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541260)

Apparently so.

On a sad note, myself and two other Computer Science majors were unable to find porn on the internet one evening. It was not until we explained the situation to my fiancee and convinced her to help us that we actually came across any.

(There were some conditions, the porn had to be images or video available within one click from google... afterall who has time to read or navigate web pages)

Re:What! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541311)

Yes, it is. And the majority of it is free. Who here on Slashdot actually pays for porn?

Re:What! (1)

gbobeck (926553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541534)

Porn is the currency of the internet.

Woo hoo (-1, Offtopic)

adityapk (841961) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540757)

I'm going to enjoy breaking this one...

MS DRM (2, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541091)

I don't think anyone has broken Microsoft's WMV DRM.

You know, the one that requires you to connect to some server and get a license.

Anyways, I don't think 30GB dvd rips are exactly going to 'take off' on P2P networks. Even the DVD-R trading scene isn't that big.

Re:MS DRM (1)

topical_surfactant (906185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541308)

Yeah. Likely what will happen is low-quality (smaller sized) analog rips will get distributed instead. Those who want the pr0n in amazing detail will spend $$$ for the new stuff, and the those looking for a quick fix will just get the p2p crap. Like you said, unless residential bandwidth increases by an order of magnitude very rapidly, I doubt many people would be willing to bother distributing HD-DVD or Blu-Ray content even if they could digitally circumvent the DRM.

Re:MS DRM (3, Informative)

Rufus211 (221883) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541379)

A hack for DRM10 (what's on WMVs) has been floating around [doom9.org] for about a year now. Basically you play it normally and it intercepts the license. It then uses the intercepted license to decode the video.

Just Like VHS or Beta (5, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540768)

Once a friend of mine commented that VHS was superior in quality to Betamax but that the only reason VHS won was because Sony refused to license porn on their format. Whether this is true or not [hyperthink.net] is probably debatable. But now we see the industry vying for licenses to the porn industry for their new formats. Why? Perhaps Sony learned their lesson with Betamax ...

Ironically, I'm going to wager that Spongebob and Pikachu have more clout than Jenna Jameson and Larry Flynt in the format war. Because every child needs a babysitter and that babysitter always comes in the newest format.

Just like PSP (1)

Werrismys (764601) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540803)

The game sales are worse than UMD format movie sales, and every pron torrent site has PSP format stuff. Or so the guys told, I know none of it.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (4, Funny)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540815)

I disagree. Without porn, there would presumably be more children...

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (5, Informative)

guaigean (867316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540868)

So basically, porn is the solution to overpopulation.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540980)

I assume you mean "VHS was inferior in quality to Betamax."

I dispute this theory on the account that formats are not licensed to production companies or duplicators but manufacturers. I don't see how Sony could dictate to consumers or end users how they would use their equipment. The real reason that VHS won is because Betamax's initial recording length of one hour made it undesirable for prerecorded movies. The slightly superior quality was not enough.

Offtopic but important (0, Offtopic)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541264)

in a previous topic you bashed China over the fact that they displaced people to make a dam:

>Being allowed to move millions of people to build a dam or host an Olympics without the consent of the governed does wonders for the GDP!

and I replied with:

>in America, the government has (unconstitutionally) given the right to businesses to move people if the business will use the land for more profit and taxes.

here's an update:

"The ruling gave government the right to seize homes for "public benefit", where previously they could only be taken for "public use"."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4639374. stm [bbc.co.uk]

I hope Americans will really pay attention to this kind of thing, it makes DRM seem like the most insignificant thing ever.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (1)

sepski (549852) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541423)

DISCLAIMER :: No knowledge of the quality of the book. ::
My history of electonics (offhand translation to english) book that i read in school some years ago. Claimed the main reason for betamax failing, was the rental market. Since the first models of betamax players rewinded the tape without unloading it from the readhead it wore out the tapes a lot faster then vhs.
naturally videostores choose vhs that lasted longer. even with it's inferior quality.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (1)

jmcwork (564008) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540984)

Yes, but after the kids go to bed and mommy has a headache, Jenna looks a lot better than Spongebob. ( Still deciding about Pikachu.)

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541062)

I'm going to wager that Spongebob and Pikachu have more clout than Jenna Jameson and Larry Flynt in the format war. Because every child needs a babysitter and that babysitter always comes in the newest format.

That is really well stated.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (1)

slusich (684826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541131)

Nonsense. There was plenty of porn available in Beta format. I personally owned at least 12 different porn titles on Beta.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (1)

gkhan1 (886823) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541427)

I have no idea whether you should be modded funny or informative :S See that thing outside? That's my sense of irony, fleeing me.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (3, Funny)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541677)

Ah, them were t'days, when 12 titles seemed like a large porn collection...

Not VHS/Beta again, and Porn not deciding factor. (5, Interesting)

amcdiarmid (856796) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541170)

This is not VHS vs BETA all over again, and porn is not the deciding factor.

1. The Key Difference between Blu-Ray/HDVD & VHS/Beta: Home Video Exists.
2. Porn is not the deciding factor, because content exists. In the Home Video industry infancy, none did - except for porn.
3. Blue-Ray will probably win due to computing convergence. (assuming relatively equal prices on a recording capacity basis)

          When the Home Video Player war came out, there was no home video standard - and no home video content. Pornography drove the industry because there was no existing content, and people would (will) pay for porn videos. Since the movie industry was reluctant to make any move - the only content was porn. Perhaps VHS won because it was cheaper (lower cost for content providers), or becuase Sony really refused to license Betamax to Porn. In any case, at that time Porn was the content provider for the early home video industry. (Side note, I remember seeing Record size Video Disks of non-porn-Movies before ever seeing tapes. (I also remember that piracy was going to distroy the motion picutre industry.)

          Today, the home video industry is a large (booming) industry. Tapes have been supplanted by Digital Disks for content providers, and for recording. I suspect that the key difference in who wins the Blue-Ray/DVD battle is going to be price. People were willing to pay $$$$ for video decks when none existed, but are unlikely to pay $$$$ for video that is only of improved quality. (See the takeup rates for HDTV)

          The short version is that whomever can reach critical mass production & lower costs first wins. The key difference may be storage capacity for computers. Why, you ask, will computers be a key factor for a Home Video technology? Because the replacement of Computer Backup Tape drives may provide enough of a market to gain true Mass Production capacity first.

          One of the claims why Sony lost the Beta/VHS battle was that it took two tapes for many movies. That is, it cost 2x to produce a Beta Tape set relative to a VHS set. This is not going to be a problem, as both camps are stating that they will have the capacity to put movies in HD with extras on their disks. Since Sony, et. al., are claiming that they will have much higher capacity for Blu-Ray, they will probably be used for computer backups in business systems. (You know, the Autoloaders that currently cost $15,000 & $100/tape) This will help Sony get the cost down faster. In the end, price matters & we are only talking about imporoved video. No one really cares if Sponge-Bob is in High Defination or not anyhow.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541669)

Sponge Bob might have the kind of clout you claim if he were Spooge Bob. Remember (and this is staggering and sick) that the adult entertainment industry (vids, internet, live shows, toys, mags, etc.) makes approximately the same amount of money annually as the movie, music, and sports industries...combined. "Approximate" because there is more than a little under the table (oh, the potential for double entendres) dealing. See Forbes last June or July.

Now does this mean that the adult video part is roughly equivalent to the movie indeustry as a whole? I don't know. But it does mean that many people grossly underestimate the vast profit (= power) of the adult entertainment industry.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541735)

Ymm, sorry but your wrong. Betamax was *superior* to VHS. The reason it lost was that Sony didn't license Betamax to other companies. They licensed VHS. Their plan was to have the best tech and if anyone wanted it would have to pay Sony for it. What happened was the market was flodded with VHS, and so it became the defacto standard.

Cheers

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541752)

Ironically, I'm going to wager that Spongebob and Pikachu have more clout than Jenna Jameson and Larry Flynt in the format war. Because every child needs a babysitter and that babysitter always comes in the newest format.

Are you currently aware of what happens when you type "Spongebob Pikachu Porn" into a google images search.

Re:Just Like VHS or Beta (1)

6*7 (193752) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541757)

Funny, but I always heard the porn myth like:
Philips its V2000 (aka VCC), despite being much better than both VHS and Beta, was doomed due to the lack of porn.

That was in a time where the founding family was still in controll of the company.

HD porn (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14540772)

Splooge!

Power of porn? (5, Interesting)

timster (32400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540773)

This theory -- that porn was the "true" #1 force behind the VCR and the Internet -- has been repeated so many times that it's taken almost as a truism. But how true is it really? My personal experience suggests that people purchased Internet access for information and communication purposes, and that for the most part it was sites like Amazon that brought us e-commerce. Does anybody know of any research or science that backs up or refutes this claim?

Re:Power of porn? (5, Insightful)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540835)

I think a lot of support for the the theory comes from the rankings of search terms. Since most of the top search terms revolve around pornography, it follows that a lot of people out there are trying to find it. That plus the pornographic sites were making large profits years before Amazon turned the corner.

Search terms... (4, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540888)

does that mean porn is also the cause of all spyware and viruses on the net? Because I've heard most spyware and viruses come from "low reputation websites".

Just wondering.

Re:Search terms... (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540918)

I've noticed pr0n sites shoving .WMF files at me the last couple of weeks. What could they possible be attempting with that?

Re:Power of porn? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541261)

I think that just because people end up using the internet for porn, does not mean that the internet would have failed without porn, or that porn is responsible for the internet or its speed in any way. There's a lot of porn magazines, and porn that can be watched on TV (Broadcast or video). I don't think that magazines would not exist if it wasn't for porn, or that TV would be much different if there wasn't any porn available on it. Just because a high percentage of the web is porn, does not mean that porn is the reason the internet is so successful.

Re:Power of porn? (4, Insightful)

Trish21 (946656) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540879)

Hi, I'm new to Slashdot. I've been enjoying reading some of the threads the past week or so. What about the flip side of the coin: how much the VCR & the internet have helped the porn industry. Not just financially, but by taking the porn industry out of the closet, if you will and making it more mainstream.

Re:Power of porn? (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541649)

Porn is mainstream now? Shandah, that. Porn becoming mainstream means nobody's getting laid the normal way anymore.

Re:Power of porn? (2, Interesting)

DynamoJoe (879038) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540938)

My first job out of college in 1996 was as a help desk rep for a south florida ISP. Because our sales staff were mainly retirees, we had a disproportionately huge number of geriatric users (try walking them through Dial Up Scripting).

Anyway, I remember taking many calls (sometimes several calls per night) from old fogies who 'just bought the internet and wanted to get to the dirty pictures'. Of course, YMMV, but I think porn did fund a lot of the internet's growth well before amazon.com started luring users...

Re:Power of porn? (2, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540969)

Porn is never the intial driving force behind these inventions but eventually the sex fanatics find a way to take the technology and use it for their purposes and make their presence felt. And so what? If they become a driving force in the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray fracas, that will just spice things up, because hey, the whole argument is pretty dull. Besides, can you imagine the advertising?!?

Boy you're late to the party - Usenet (4, Informative)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541005)

The web is a newcomer. The internet existed long before that. Usenet, email, gopher, ftp were the applications people were using and yes, distribution of porn was *very* popular.

 

Re:Power of porn? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541124)

Ancedotally, I pay for internet access to get information, play games and communicate with my friends.

I pay for a usenet feed to get porn.

What was the question again?

Re:Power of porn? (1)

The_ForeignEye (681271) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541137)

I have no clue as to whether that theory is true or not. I seem to remember back in the late 90's that adult entertainment companies were the only *profitable* companies on the internet. Sure, Amazon and the like were present, but Amazon (to take one example) did not become profitable until a couple of years ago.

...maybe that's what Greg meant on his speech.

:: shrugs ::

Re:Power of porn? (5, Interesting)

Tackhead (54550) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541143)

> My personal experience suggests that people purchased Internet access for information and communication purposes, and that for the most part it was sites like Amazon that brought us e-commerce. Does anybody know of any research or science that backs up or refutes this claim?

It goes back farther than that.

Instead of thinking "Amazon" and "e-commerce", think USENET and alt.sex.

Once upon a time, alt.sex was the main reason (well, if you were a college student) to do this USENET thing. Then some schmuck figured out that you could uuencode a binary file into 7-bit-clean text, and upload it into alt.sex, and every other schmuck on the planet could see teh b00bies.

When a scanner cost thousands of dollars, you could get your b00bies in one of three ways: Buy the dead trees (and deal with storing them :), download the pictures from a pay BBS at 2400 baud (because someone else paid thousands of dollars for a scanner), or copy them from the news spool free (and not have to wait, because the college's 56k leased line was up 24/7!) from USENET, because some other guy who already bought the dead trees was willing to use the scanner in the lab (that had already been paid for :) to scan in the pictures and upload them (again for free, because the leased line was always there) to alt.sex.

Needless to say, this didn't last long - kilobytes turned into megabytes, hard drives overflowed, links became saturated, and thus was born alt.sex.pictures. And because news admins got tired of dealing with alt.sex.yet.another.funny.group name (which had to be permitted) and denying alt.sex.pictures.* (whose groups would overflow the news spool in rapid order), there was a great split - and thus was born alt.binaries.*.

Long story short -- USENET administrators needed more diskspace and bandwidth, and at one time, pr0n was indeed a major proportion of all USENET traffic, and even though the transmission network was still in the process of shifting from UUCP store-and-forward technology to a TCP/IP network, the fundamental issues of bandwidth and storage remained.

That's not to say there weren't other legitimate uses for all that bandwidth and storage; there were. But the growth of USENET (on account of a lot of sites -- even corporate sites, which would be unthinkable today -- maintaining "a full feed", including alt.binaries.*, out of either a sense of tradition or a pervy newsadmin) was in large part fueled by pr0n. And in large part, the growth of USENET drove "the Internet".

USENET was the first peer-to-peer network. Each "peer" was a machine costing tens of thousands of dollars in hardware, and hundreds of dollars a month, but considering that "consumer-level" communications was limited to 2400-baud modems, the combination of a USENET server to store "everything", and deliver it through the university LAN, was a huge step forward for the end user.

Typical conversation from circa 1988:

Fourth-year-student: "USENET? It's like a BBS, with ten thousand message boards, a hundred thousand users, and no waiting to connect to it! And FTP? It's like a download section of a BBS, with no upload quota! And you can get files from anywhere in the world! Look, here's an FTP server with a collection of all those DOS utilities you'll ever need, and it's in Finland, fer Chrissakes, and it doesn't cost a cent to call it up!"

First-year student: "Finland? Why Finland?"

Fourth-year student: "Why not? But if you don't like Finland, we'll get it from the mirror at White Sands Missile Range!"

First-year student: "Whoa!"

Re:Power of porn? (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541515)

And in large part, the growth of USENET drove "the Internet".

I disagree entirely.

It was the maturation of the World Wide Web, not USENET, that caused the Internet boom period of the mid and late 1990's.

Indeed as the "mainstream" Internet has grown, Usenet has become more and more marginalized.

Re:Power of porn? (4, Informative)

UserGoogol (623581) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541682)

Yes, but he's not talking about the mid and late nineties. He's talking about the Internet's earlier growth in the eighties and early nineties. Usenet got things started and then WWW took things to the next level.

Re:Power of porn? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541193)

I work at a porn company.

My company has dedicated 26 Gigs of bandwidth, that during peak are all maxed out.
We have invested a lot into new technology.

The fastest web servers, fastest hardware, rate limiting technologies, hacker prevention, etc.
I know we push our hardware and software to its limits.

Our vendors like us because we find obscure bugs that no other company is capable of finding - very few companies on the internet are capable of even simulating the amount of traffic we have daily. Not only traffic, but the amount of users trying to hack our systems is astounding, which also pushes the technology to its limits. Our servers get over 150k hits a minute.

When a piece of hardware runs through our system, the vendors feel more assured at the capabilities of thier offerings.

There are many hardware and software companies in the world that happen to like our industry. They may not admit it publically, but they can't deny that no other customer is capable of ripping thier new child prodigy to pieces as fast and as "efficently" as we are.

If a bug or a hole exists, our users and bandwidth find it.

I personally like this industry, not for the content, but because I always get to play with the newest technological toys - We are at the front of the online industry, pushing the technology to its limits.

Re:Power of porn? (4, Insightful)

Sique (173459) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541618)

It's not only that. Porn sites were the first sites that actually tried to sell something over the internet. They were the first to try out identification (of people the shop has never seen and never will see in persona), automated user setup, online payments etc.pp. When the Dotcom bubble started to grow, porn content already had online stores, pay-per-view, pay-per-click-through and all the other really hot business bingo triggers.

Porn was also (at least here in Germany) the first that actually made the internet popular, when 'investigative journalists' discovered that students at the universities were wasting tax payer money to wank off. That was exactly when Xlink (which actually meant eXtended local inter net Karlsruhe) spun off from University of Karlsruhe and Eunet from University of Dortmund, which were the first to commercially offer Internet services to the public. Suddenly everyone knew about this Internet thingy, and about the fact that you could get GIF (Girls In Files) there.

Re:Power of porn? (5, Funny)

InterruptDescriptorT (531083) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541627)

If [...] a hole exists, our users [...] find it.

Quite appropriate, given the business you're in.

Re:Power of porn? (2, Funny)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541719)

Well, it goes without saying that you need a fat pipe to succeed in the porn industry.

Re:Power of porn? (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541323)

From what I recall the turning point in VCRs was when Star Wars became available on tape. That is certainly when I bought my first VCR.

The internet was a different story - I bought that because of the technical information that it gave me access to.

Re:Power of porn? (1)

Lost Race (681080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541335)

It was a joke. Greg Fitzsimmons is a comedian. That's why teh pr0n starz "roared with laughter." He must have great delivery, to get such a great response with such crappy old cliche material.

LOL (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14540774)

deep

Jesus H Christ on a pogo stick! (-1, Offtopic)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540788)

Somewhat true... (2, Insightful)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540794)

And if it wasn't for the Internet, he added, 'you guys would be completely out of business.'

Somewhat true, but the porn industry has been VERY resourceful and has been able to use technology to their advantage for years. They were the first to really push deeply(bad pun intended) the DVD market.

Pron is the only use for alternate DVD scenes etc (3, Insightful)

Werrismys (764601) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540860)

The only interactive, multiple-point-of-view DVD's I've seen were all pron. Almost like those sucky adult games the japanese make.

Re:Somewhat true... (1)

NoSalt (801989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541181)

That's because geeks love porn ;-)

What a maroon (0, Flamebait)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540817)

Wait a sec. Aren't porn advocates always calmly arguing their point to the prudes that sex is a good and natural thing and everybody's enjoying themselves? They look like pillars of reasoning compared to the fundies. Now, wait! Someone's stealing their megahurtz!!!oneone. All of a sudden we have them screaming "Those immoral bastards!"

The circle is now complete.

What Is It? (4, Funny)

Doomedsnowball (921841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540824)

I watched Orgasmo like, five times! I know what DVDA is... but what is DRM? --shudders--

Re:What Is It? (2, Funny)

Duckz (147715) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541241)

Some folks think it's Digital Rights Management, but I know it as "Dick Ramming Motion".

now my life is complete.... (1)

Yonsen (866784) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540842)

....with High Definition technology. Wow.

Re:now my life is complete.... (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540900)

Glad you bring it up.
The company that recently made a feature length HD movie "Pirates", agreed to allow for its distribution on empornium free of charge.
Can you imagine any other studio doing something like that?

Huh, that's surprising. What about p2p and porn? (3, Interesting)

Vokkyt (739289) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540858)

I would think that on a whole, the pornography industry would see The Internet as a love/hate relationship. Granted, it allows production and sales to a degree that wasn't fathomable for porn before, however, the mass filesharing means that one well off user can make off with tons of files from the site and host it else where. I mean, I guess it's good to know know that the love that the Internet has for porn is mutual, but wow, that's an awfully warm reception.

Re:Huh, that's surprising. What about p2p and porn (1)

rkhalloran (136467) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541233)

>>Granted, it allows production and sales to a degree that wasn't fathomable for porn before, however, the mass filesharing means that one well off user can make off with tons of files from the site and host it else where.

Yah, but it also means that the wanker that likes the video he downloaded with [fill-in-bimbo-here] may go buy more of them with her in it. So the online stuff becomes an overlong commercial.

So in other words Blu-Ray wins? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540897)

I mean if some companies are supporting Blu-Ray, and others supporting both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD... then it seems like the writing is on the wall.

Nope... (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541054)

blueray is to betamax and HD-DVD is to VHS

Re:Nope... (1)

javaxman (705658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541319)

blueray is to betamax and HD-DVD is to VHS

Assuming you mean "as" rather than "and"... could you explain why you think so ?

Looking at the content providers in this HD disc format war, it really does seem that Blu-ray is getting more support, even if you aren't looking at those covered by this story. It seems a little early to me to call Blu-ray the Betamax. Besides, didn't Betamax come out first?

History repeats itself. (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541569)

Yeah, I meant "as". Sony backed blueray. Sony backed Betamax. History repeats itself.

(plus the manufacturing costs for HD-DVD are less, the manufacturing time is shorter, and it seems that more recording studios - the real manufacturers of media - seem to support HD-DVD. At least last I checked.)

The porn industry won't be such a big driver (5, Interesting)

99luftballon (838486) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540926)

Back in the early 80's there was very little access to pornography, particularly film.

Nowadays the situation is must less restricted and anyone with an internet connection can watch the filth of their choice with little difficulty and with no need of a media player. The internet distribution system is also a lot harder to censor.

One of the interesting things about the Blu-Ray announcement was that a key driver for the porn company was that PlayStation 3's will have drives built in. Is this an oblique way for calling PS3 players wankers?

Both media types have DRM, right? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14540936)

So the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD is a non-issue when it comes to DRM. Is this another finely-crafted page churner from the crack slashdot editorial staff?

The Truth (3, Insightful)

PastAustin (941464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540955)

I heard somewhere that there are three things that have a lot of popularity online.

1.) Porn
2.) UFOs
3.) Fantasy Football (more popular than porn during football season)

I think that he's very right to say that the internet is the only reason these people are in business. There are so many disgusting pieces of smut to feast your eyes on that it's actually amazing that we all get anything done online. It once was that you would go online and stumble on a couple porno sites. Now it has moved in every direction. There is 3D porn software, there are websites where you can watch girls in Austria get naked, there are websites where you can watch someone's grandmother get it from all sides. I personally don't like any of this stuff but it is truly what keeps the internet going. If it weren't for all these websites, successful or not, there would be a couple million unregistered domains and who knows how many horny men.

My point is that it's a good point that he makes.

I personally have seen internet porn and I have many friends who watch internet porn, however I don't know that many people who buy the DVD / Mags / VHS tapes. I would be interested to see the quality of a Blue-Ray / HD-DVD porn because I would imagine it would be amazing. So in my opinion moving to a high-def format would up physical sales but perhaps stunt online sales (due to long downloads)

What do you think?

Porn and fantasy football? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541206)

1st down and 10... I put on my robe and wizard hat....

Re:The Truth (1)

saltydogdesign (811417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541426)

I personally don't like any of this stuff...

Hey man, you can admit it. This is slashdot.

Re:The Truth (1)

PastAustin (941464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541518)

Hey man, you can admit it. This is slashdot.



Well....

Your Grandmother's vid wasn't too bad. She's got peanut nipples.

Re:The Truth (1)

xnderxnder (626189) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541508)

... there are websites where you can watch someone's grandmother get it from all sides.

Oh, Nan!

Curious. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541591)

There is 3D porn software, there are websites where you can watch girls in Austria get naked, there are websites where you can watch someone's grandmother get it from all sides. I personally don't like any of this stuff [...]

For someone who doesn't like that stuff, those are some awfully specific examples.

Not that I'm implying anything.

Re:The Truth (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541730)

HD porn... The though makes me shudder.

come on, do you guys really want to see that boil in HD on that stripper/pornstar's rear? In the current resolution it looks like a reddish spot.

Also, most porn stars are not prety to look at. do you really want to see the Hairy Unibrow Midget in High Def?

HD and porn is not a combination that someone realld does not want.

doesn't matter which format or DRM (1)

NoSuchGuy (308510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540959)

becaus I get my porn via $currentlyHypedP2PNet

Maybe we can start the tradition of handing over the porn collection from father to son.

*/me downloading new porn collection*

Group Hex (5, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14540966)

Others, like Vivid Entertainment, seem to think that the answer is diversity and will be supporting both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

It figures that when given the choice, the Porn Industry would opt for a threesome.

I only got as far as... (5, Funny)

r3adah3ad (936993) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541058)

"At the adult entertainment awards..." before I choked on my soda (yeah, yeah,here come the replies).
I mean, come on:

"Yeah, the music rocked, but the grunts and moans weren't all they could have been."
-or-
"The plot was amazing! I never knew what was going to happen next!"

Wait! Does that mean... (5, Funny)

JaredCE (948344) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541067)

At the recent adult entertainment awards, host Greg Fitzsimmons highlighted the deep relationship between the internet and pornography stating "'The Internet was completely funded by porn,'
Al Gore is a pornstar?

Re:Wait! Does that mean... (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541158)

"Al Gore is a pornstar?"

Probably not, but he definitely was a whore. (Just like every other politician.)

DRM? (4, Insightful)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541097)

This article appeared to be more along the lines of "Adult Entertainment Antes Up In the HD DVD Format War" than "Adult Entertainment Antes Up In DRM War".

I didn't even see "DRM" or "copy protection/prevention" in the entire article.

Was there another article to this that I missed?

It's in the format specs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541303)

Both of those formats have DRM associated with them :/
See also: Microsoft & TCPA.

No one but ME should have the right to determine which programs I run on MY computer. And to whoever in our state or federal government who thinks otherwise, I submit that few will willingly comply with it.

It's backwards (4, Insightful)

max born (739948) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541115)

The Internet was completely funded by porn," he said from the stage of the 23rd annual AVN Awards show. And if it wasn't for the Internet, he added, "you guys would be completely out of business."

I think you have it the wrong way round, porn was completely funded by the Internet and if it wasn't for the Internet's distribution system you guys wouldn't have a medium to generate that $2.5 billion revenue, you'd still be relegated to the back rooms of selected video stores selling tapes and DVDs.

Re:It's backwards (2, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541343)

I think you have it the wrong way round, porn was completely funded by the Internet and if it wasn't for the Internet's distribution system you guys wouldn't have a medium to generate that $2.5 billion revenue

Porn is a huge percentage of the traffic on the 'net. That 'net is paid for by people who pay for a 'net connection and possibly pay even more per byte transferred. Thus, porn is paying for the net. It's not that they have it backwards, it's that they're only talking about half of the relationship, and as they state it, it's entirely true. Granted, if porn didn't get there first, someone else would have, but one of the truisms of modern media is that porn always gets there first.

hmm. (3, Insightful)

Archon-X (264195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541118)

I must admit, I find it interesting how 'mainstream' identities love casting references to pornography as if it will get them brownie points on their target demographic.
'Porn does this..' - 'Porn did that'.

If it's loved so much (and it is), why is the industry constantly under attack?
Read: Obscenity laws [FBI raids on STORY sites]
Read: 2257 laws [Forcing primary content producers to release the ID, names and addresses of models]
Read: .xxx [forcing adult onto one controlled platform]

etc etc etc.

Watch out for censorship (4, Insightful)

argoff (142580) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541162)

Once the "officially DRM'd" industry realises that they can't lock people (or profit) into their content managment schemes - then they will come out saying we need to protect kids from pron, and we need to outlaw any porn that isn't digitaly signed "for, OH MY GOD, the sake of the children!". Hollywood, and big media, will then surely jump on the bandwagon, and it won't be long before they try to outlaw any content that is't DRM controlled.

...And protection-cracking funded by ? (2, Insightful)

HPNpilot (735362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541204)

'The Internet was completely funded by porn,'

Perhaps, but IIRC all the Macrovision "picture enhancers" were sold so people could copy rented porn tapes.

Maybe in this case porn using the newest digital protections will cause a thriving black market for the newest cracks.

the internet.... (1)

loserhead (941655) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541363)

...was founded on Star Wars, Star Trek, and pr0n. we all know how George Lucas feels about his stuff being spread around. the pr0n industry is following suit. if Gene Roddenberry were still around, i wonder if he would support putting a "broadcst flag" in Star Trek episodes.

Avenue Q (1)

Kesch (943326) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541465)

It think this song [waterbead.net] sums it up nicely.

Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD - that's NOT DRM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14541570)

I think the poster is confused. While the two "high def" formats use different DRM schemes, supporting one isn't a vote for their DRM, it's a vote for their format. The DRM comes along for the ride. Did I mention that I HATE DRM?

Am I the only one... (2, Funny)

TimTheFoolMan (656432) | more than 8 years ago | (#14541638)

...who thinks it's ironic that we'll see Blue Movies on a medium dubbed Blu-Ray?

Tim
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