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Bounty For Booting XP on the Intel iMac

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the what-a-waste dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The race is on. You can try to get the bounty for booting Windows XP on iMac. At this moment there is $2773 waiting for the winner. However several people have brickified their iMacs when playing with EFI." I imagine those tech support calls are hysterical ;)

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Charity Suggestion: (3, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547817)


From TFA:
If it is determined impossible to boot Windows on the Mac by March 23, 2006, all donations will be donated to a charitable cause (please send suggestions to charity@pintmaster.com).
Here's a suggestion for a charity...how about a charity for all the poor saps who've hosed their iMacs trying this stunt? ^_^

Another Suggestion: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547838)

How about you shut the fuck up?

Re:Charity Suggestion: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547879)

sure, "You did something dumb. Have some money!"

I suggest the Free Software Foundation (4, Funny)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547885)

in a twist of irony. Or the EFF.

Re:I suggest the Free Software Foundation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547975)

Shouldn't it be illegal for a computer vendor to force you to only use a particular OS on your computer? Isn't that like a car manufacturer forcing you to only use a certain brand of fuel, or a certain brand of tyres?

Maybe the EFF could use this money to raise a case against Apple.

Re:I suggest the Free Software Foundation (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548008)

I think this is more like an engine and apple says, change it if you want, but nothing else will fit under the hood and we're using custom motor mounts as well as our own transmission, fuel injector... and everything else.

Re:I suggest the Free Software Foundation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548263)

Yes, the complexity of the OS is much more like an engine+transmission than like a tire with 5 lug nuts or a simple fill-er-up with gas. It is very important that Apple never be liable for supporting user-selected third-party hardware or third-party OS on their hardware. Suddenly, they would need to answer for all of Microsoft's mistakes or all of Dell's mistakes in addition to Apple's mistakes...that is just insult on top of injury. GM isn't liable for people who shoe-horn a Porshe engine into their Geo Metro. BellSouth isn't liable if I try to get cable TV out of my phone jack and cry about it. Etc.

Just like Solaris+Sun, AIX+IBM, etc., people just don't buy an Apple 'cause comes in a pretty box. They want something that is fairly well integrated and has a higher probability of working well, relative to a white-box PC with Windows on it. Whenever I visit my dad and try to get to a website on his PC, I have to fight with McAffe nonstop, Windows Update is always popping up in the corner of the screen, the virtual memory is crap and it's always paging, etc.

I even write this as a non-Mac owner (I'm a geek and got me Solaris, ATM), but at least I can appreciate why Apple needs to fence off their area of responsibility.

Re:I suggest the Free Software Foundation (4, Insightful)

HuguesT (84078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548016)

> Shouldn't it be illegal for a computer vendor to force you to only use a
> particular OS on your computer?

Apple isn't forcing anybody to run OS/X. I'm quite sure people buying Macs do it of their own volition. Furthermore I'm pretty sure Linux will be booting on these machines quite soon, this should answer this worry.

On the other hand there is no requirement on hardware manufacturers that their machines must be made to boot Windows, just because they have an x86-compatible chip inside.

Re:I suggest the Free Software Foundation (4, Insightful)

SteveAyre (209812) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548018)

More like the choice of using unleaded petrol or diesel in your car, or a particular tire size.

You can use the other if you like, just don't expect it to work as well anymore if at all.

The fault is with Windows AFAIK not supporting the hardware anyway, which is hardly surprising when it was written several years before Apple announced that they'd be moving to Intel.

Re:I suggest the Free Software Foundation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548056)

Shouldn't it be illegal for a computer vendor to force you to only use a particular OS on your computer?

Umm, they don't. They said they won't preclude someone running other operating systems on the new macs. That doesn't mean they have to make it easy. But certainly linux will run on it if nothing else, and Apple doesn't attempt to stop this.
They do, however, try to prevent OS X to be run on non-Apple hardware, which could be a legal issue, but once again, even if they allowed it, that doesn't mean they have to support it.

Re:Charity Suggestion: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547953)

It is sort of funny that you also have FP on the article that the text refers to! Unfortunately getting FP isn't important enough to me to subscribe. You pay for FP? That is extremely lame. LAME!!!!

Re:Charity Suggestion: (1)

Aokubidaikon (942336) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547984)

Or how about the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation? ^_^

Re:Charity Suggestion: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548275)

YES!!! YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES I did it!!! but for charity pupouse I'll never tell to anybody...

I'm sorry (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547827)

Who would want to boot Windows XP normally?

Re:I'm sorry (5, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547852)

I don't know sounded fun so I tried it .
But a little boot on the iMac's stand ,then proceeded to use it to kick a Windows XP CD around the room.
Unfortunately due to a technicality , I can't claim the prize money.
I assume though I am the first person to boot windows with an iMac

Bill Gates for one! (2, Funny)

cyberbian (897119) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548074)

I'm sure that ole Bill and Steve would like to see it boot normally, AT LEAST ONCE since its been coded.

Brickified? (3, Informative)

SpooForBrains (771537) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547832)

Not to be too picky, but the correct word, I believe, is "bricked". Although whether there's an actual dictionary definiton of the word in this context I do not know.

Re:Brickified? (4, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547869)

It's a cromulent Neologism

Re:Brickified? (4, Funny)

vjzuylen (91983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548194)

Then wouldn't it be "to embricken"?

Re:Brickified? (1)

The Only Druid (587299) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547875)

While I agree that "bricked" is both more common and more aesthetically pleasing, I think that the verb "to brick" is sufficiently new that it could be considered not to be dominant.

"Brickified" has a faux-nostalgic feel that may be intentional, I dunno.

Re:Brickified? (2, Informative)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547897)

Um, doesn't the verb "to brick [it]" mean to crap oneself in en_GB?

Re:Brickified? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547935)

Sort of. It's the same as shitting yourself i.e. scared.
Haha my captcha is simile, should be metaphor really.

Re:Brickified? (5, Funny)

minginqunt (225413) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547876)


Enbrickened.

Fracked.

Made to exhibit a Brickish form.

Relegated to brickhood.

Elevated to the Platonic ideal of "Brick".

Invited to join the elite group of formerly functioning Von Neumann machines now inculcated in the eternal, static realm of Brick. (FFVNMNIRSRB: pron. Fuff-van-man-IRS-Rub)

DEAD BRICKED.

Seriously, kids. Do try this at home. It is big, it is clever. And it will give us a laugh. Let's see you try and do that with your $3000 Alienware rig.

Muhahahahaha.

Re:Brickified? (5, Funny)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547929)

That Mac isn't dead... its pining for the fjords..

Re:Brickified? (5, Funny)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547889)

Not to be too picky, but the correct word, I believe, is "bricked". Although whether there's an actual dictionary definiton of the word in this context I do not know.

This is a new low for a grammar nazi... trying to correct a word that isn't even a word. Brilliant.

Re:Brickified? (1)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548094)

No THIS is a new low for a grammer nazi. The correct form should be slabbed because of the shape of the iMac.

Re:Brickified? (2, Funny)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548208)

This is a new low for a grammar nazi... trying to correct a word that isn't even a word. Brilliant.
No, but if it wasn't for these stupid grammar-challenged /. morons, it would be a real word, and people would know how to use it, dammit!!!

BartPE (-1, Offtopic)

Sub Zero 992 (947972) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547839)

BartPE [nu2.nu] should do the trick nicely LOL.

Re:BartPE (4, Informative)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547867)

No, it shouldn't. You apparently either have no idea what BartPE is, or ou completely failed to even read the article summary.

BartPE is simply a custom version of XP that can boot from removable media. The EFI rom on the MacTel machines seems to forbid booting an El Torito volume.

Re:BartPE (2, Insightful)

larkost (79011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548168)

Change "forbid booting" to "not have support for". Apple has not done any work to support booting, that means they don't include things that they don't need, but might be needed for Windows. they are not hindering you from booting Windows, just not helping you either.

the opposit (2, Insightful)

servo335 (853111) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547845)

I would prefer to see booting osx86 on a non intel mac then ruining a perfectly good mac with xp.

Re:the opposite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547884)

Hell yes.

There's a bunch of x86 machines here ready to receive...

Re:the opposit (1)

wvitXpert (769356) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547986)

I can just imagine what a mess the lack of compatible drivers would be. Not to mention Apple would have to do everything in thier power to try to shutdown the people responsible.

Re:the opposit (2, Interesting)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548105)

That'll probably have to wait until Apple is selling an Intel-compatible version of OS X. At the moment they sell machines with one loaded, but they only come with recovery disks, not full installers. (And the recovery disks are probably locked to that particular model, which limits your options when you hack.)

The next version of OS X will have it on the DVDs, and that is when the real hacking will commence...

Re:the opposit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548199)

I just got finished installing a lab of iMac G5s. The "restore" DVD contained a normal Mac OS X 10.4 installer and additional software installers for the other software that came with the iMac, as well as a Classic install CD.

I'll bet the Core Duo iMac features a similar DVD without the Classic CD.

I'm sorry, but... (-1, Troll)

OhHellWithIt (756826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547847)

... booting XP on a Mac is completely perverse! Why buy an expensive piece of hardware and replace its closed, proprietary operating system with another?

Maybe... (3, Insightful)

thepotoo (829391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547900)

It's to prove you can. Just like the people who hack IE to run on Linux in WINE, there's a lot of geek credit (and 15 minutes of fame) to be gained by doing this. If I had a mac, I'd try for it.

Short answer: Because you can.

For the last time... (5, Insightful)

copponex (13876) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547914)

If I could have a dual core machine with a really nice graphics card, and the machine was also cool, quiet, and attractive for $1300, and I could boot any OS I wanted on it (OS X, Linux, XP), I think I don't qualify as perverse. The iMac is a compact and powerful machine, and there's nothing available like it at the moment. Furthermore, give me the choice between carrying around two laptops or one (especially for developers or on-site technicians), can you possibly guess which one would be less expensive?

So, please, just drop this joke. It's been told a million times. If you don't have anything useful to say, just save your breath.

Re:For the last time... (1)

spge (783687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548177)

If you want a Mac mini that will run Windows, try an Evesham Mini series PC [evesham.com] . I doubt the company ships outside the UK. This is a PC, not a Mac, but it is as close to a clone in terms of size and appearance as I've seen.

Re:I'm sorry, but... (0, Flamebait)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547932)

So that you can run games produced by brain-dead companies (e.g. Half-Life [2]), but still use Mac OS for everything else?

If you do this... (-1, Flamebait)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547858)

Don't call tech support, just sell the machine for parts.

-jcr

Re:If you do this... (1)

cyberbian (897119) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548156)

Exercise your commercial rights and ask for a complete refund for this crippleware with undocumented features like TPM and EFI crc checking hint hint (llamas for not listening) while you can. I've worked with engineers at IBM for boot sequence problems while employed by them, and understand a fair bit about what happens during a boot sequence. This doesn't make me a name dropping hack, it means that I'm actually approaching this problem with some low level understanding of the hardware as it lights up. As I've stated earlier, I believe that the TPM unit checks the EFI to ensure it's Apple standard EFI (/. ers would all understand this) and then opens the system devices up based on a correct check. It seems to me the failure and 'non-bootable' status only comes after actually altering the EFI. I guess we're all /. ing and not connect the . ing. rent a clue day coming soon to a planet near you!

How to get XP working on an iMac (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547864)

Step 1. Wait for Microsoft to patch XP to work with Apple's EFI.

Step 2. Give up on waiting. Buy a cheap PC game machine if you must. Learn to use OS X for just about everything else. You'll be happier in the long run with the better OS anyway.

Step 3. There's no step three.

Bricks are useful too (3, Funny)

FullMetalAlchemist (811118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547866)

[...]However several people have brickified their iMacs when playing with EFI.

Aha, but don't worry, just ask these nice people [netbsd.org] to add bricks to their existing set of architectures [netbsd.org] ;-)

Don't they have this backwards? (5, Interesting)

SlickCow (196542) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547871)

What I want is to boot MacOS on my PC. How about a bounty for that?

Re:Don't they have this backwards? (2, Insightful)

$ASANY (705279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547921)

Absolutely. Booting windows on a mac is sort of like booting OS/2 Warp on a mac. An interesting exercize, but of doubtful usefulness.

Hey honey, guess what? Our Mac is now vulnerable to the Kama Sutra worm! Aintcha proud of me?

Re:Don't they have this backwards? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547923)

What I want is to boot MacOS on my PC. How about a bounty for that?

Shouldn't you be the one offering the bounty in that case?

Re:Don't they have this backwards? Here you go (3, Informative)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548000)

Installing and booting OSX on PCs. [profit42.com]
I expect to receive my rightfully earned $2500 by midnight.

Linux on Macintelintosh (2, Interesting)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548239)

Probably this bounty for Windows XP on the Intel Mac is prompted in a reaction to Linux on the Intel Mac [com.com] . Can't have the press paying attention to that, now can we?

ahhhhhhhhhh (-1, Troll)

Minustheyar (948939) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547874)

n00bs, i swear.

Why...? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547882)

Why would you want to?

You Just Have to Wait (1)

briggsb (217215) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547891)

for Apple's Windows based Mac [bbspot.com] later this year.

No EFI backwards compatibility module on iMacs (4, Interesting)

Randall311 (866824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547903)

Therefore getiing XP to boot natively won't happen. There is still a chance at booting Windows Vista though, as it supports EFI. The only thing to overcome is the ACPI requirement that Vista has. The intel chip and mobo inside the iMacs stupport ACPI, but of course it has been removed from Apple's version of EFI. Find a way to get ACPI support onto the Mactel's EFI, and you should be able to have a dual boot config with Windows Vista.

Re:No EFI backwards compatibility module on iMacs (1, Informative)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547938)

I'm sure macs support ACPI, i seem to remember that even the PPC ones did...
The difference however, is that they support ACPI and MS-ACPI which is quite different (and the reason why linux acpi support doesn't work on some machines, since it strictly follows the intel acpi specs)

Re:No EFI backwards compatibility module on iMacs (2, Insightful)

NutscrapeSucks (446616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548110)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only part of XP that needs the BIOS is the bootloader.

So, only one of two things need to happen: Either someone rewrites NTLDR for EFI systems, or someone needs to create a fake BIOS enviornment. The LinuxBios people had a way of faking a real BIOS to boot XP, so going EFI -> Linux -> Windows might be possible also.

UNBRICK your Intel iMac (5, Informative)

Knytefall (7348) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547907)

From Dave Schroeder, posted to http://nak.journalspace.com/?cmd=displaycomments&d cid=407&entryid=407 [journalspace.com]

By following these steps, the iMacs that had difficulty with certain EFI modules appear to have been restored to a functioning state:

1. Disconnect the internal hard disk
2. Disconnect the iMac from AC power
3. Plug in AC while holding the power button
4. Power up the iMac and zap NVRAM (cmd-opt-P-R)
The hard disk can be reformatted and the operating system restored.

Plug in AC while holding the power button??? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547963)

Yeah right. Sounds more like a troll hoping to trick people into frying their Macs.

Re:Plug in AC while holding the power button??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548220)

Be skeptical of anything daveschroeder posts on the topic. Per his slashdot posts, he's a totally hardcore Mac zealot and against the idea of booting Windows natively, yet he's hosting a page of information on how to do so. Could just be planting disinfo.

Re:UNBRICK your Intel iMac (1)

twbecker (315312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547971)

Why do you have to reformat the hard disk? Although it's nice there's a solution, getting inside the iMac to disconnect the HD (or do anything else other than add RAM) is a real chore from what I've heard.

Re:UNBRICK your Intel iMac (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548025)

Why do you have to reformat the hard disk?

From my understanding, it's because the EFI modules are loaded on the HD. It sounds like there's a small EFI/boot partition on the disk. Mucking around in there renders the machine unbootable. Reformatting/reinstalling would reset this partition back to it's proper state. Note that this is all conjecture - I don't have one of these to play with, nor do I particularly know what I'm talking about.

Re:UNBRICK your Intel iMac (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548205)

Note that this is all conjecture

This is Slashdot, we understand that statement's pretty much a given...

Re:UNBRICK your Intel iMac (1)

Kankraka (936176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548257)

I had a Powerbook Wallstreet do a similar thing. Every time the batteries died, the open firmware would reset. Seeing as there had been a few upgrades done on the machine, the machine wouldn't boot, because it would be searching for a different hard drive. The fix was re-install OSX, a total pain in the ass. It's sick when you have to tell your teacher you'll be late for class because your install isn't done yet.

Correct order UNBRICK your Intel iMac (1)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548138)

1 Disconnect the iMac from AC power 2 Disconnect the internal hard disk 3. Plug in AC while holding the power button 4. Power up the iMac and zap NVRAM (cmd-opt-P-R) The hard disk can be reformatted and the operating system restored. The instructions to UNBRICK yourself are slightly more complicated.

Erm... you forgot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548213)

5. Profit

Why? Seriously (2, Insightful)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547933)

I've always heard that I would "need" Windows for something or other. In my business it seemed prudent to own/install a copy of Software Windows and so a bought a succession of versions starting in the early 90s.

In more than 10 years of having a copy of Windows, I've needed it all of 3 times (using content on 2 MS-only CD-ROMs and some MS-Access work). Now I don't even need the emulator -- I bought a Pentium-III laptop at a garage sale for $10. It's sat unused now for 3 years.

I can understand the "because its there challenge," and I suppose some people really need to play PC-only games (I don't), but otherwise putting Windows on a Mac seems like a waste of good hardware.

Re:Why? Seriously (5, Insightful)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547989)

Right, because no one else has other software needs than yours.

Re:Why? Seriously (5, Insightful)

NutscrapeSucks (446616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548033)

Turn your argument around. Nobody really "needs" a Mac in the first place. We could get everything we need to get done on a standard Windows PC, but instead we buy Macintoshes because we *want* to, not because we need to.

Surely you will admit that there are some very popular Windows packages that have not been ported to the Mac. As well about a million inhouse and vertical software packages designed for Windows. A lot of people in the Mac community see this as something that would be legitimately useful to them, and not just "because it's there". They're doing this because they think it would add value to their Mac system.

Wine? (2, Interesting)

millahtime (710421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548066)

Now that macs use an intel chipset and the backend is BSD based, can't one just use wine to run their MS apps? Just like in freebsd/linux/unix? When I get my MacBook that is one of the first things I will be taking for a spin.

Re:Why? Seriously (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548081)

I've always heard that I would "love" Macs for some reason or another. In my business it seemed prudent to own a Mac and so bought one in the late 90s.

In almost 10 years of having a Mac, I've never needed it. Now I don't even use it. I picked up a Mac laptop off eBay a few years ago for $150. It's sat unused--except for very occasional ventures into Macland to answer a customer's question--ever since.

OSX is a nifty OS and all, but even with the hefty G5s I supported at my last job I've never been so impressed by a Mac that I wanted to shelf my Windows system for it. The only Macs with performance on par with my $1,500 computer cost $3,000 and up, the OS isn't THAT impressive compared to Windows, and options are limited.

Lots of fields need Windows software... (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548096)

In my business

what business?

Lots of good software in a lot of fields, like engineering (the one I can cite examples off the top of my head), has no mac replacement.

Re:Why? Seriously (1)

plumby (179557) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548173)

There are plenty of apps out there that only run on Windows. You may not use any of them, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.

As a user of a combination of PC, Mac and Linux for my 'home' development stuff, the most obvious app that has kept me doing a fair amount of the work on Windows is the EMS Postgresql Manager. Sure there are Mac/Linux apps for developing on Postgresql databases, but in my view there's none that even remotely come close for user friendliness. And I'm not going to use clunky apps to do my work simply to avoid using Windows.

Windows first, then get others. (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548183)

It is not a waste of hardware. I tire of this damn complex some mac-heads have. OS/X isn't the end all of operating systems.

There are those of us who would like to have a computer that can boot all the operating systems. As it stands now the most limited as to where it can boot will be the OS/X system. Eventually someone will get it to boot on a PC but then your forever stuck trying to get drivers.

So the best solution is to get Windows on the Mac. It will be the most difficult. Then probably one of the many linux variations.

Now for me I can buy a macbook, have windows loaded, and be able to vpn/5250/3270 in to work with a supported platform. I am sure many others are wanting to splurge but need some sensibility in our purchase. I need a new laptop, I don't need a new "OS/X" only machine. I don't want to be trapped into one vendor for just an OS.

Xen and Vanderpool (4, Interesting)

affinity (118397) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547946)

Does the "Core Duo" processor include the Vaderpool virtualization extensions.
And if Xen is able to use Vanderpool to transparently support WindowsXP/2003 then, would using Xen be the best way to go, with out having to deal with the Boot issue.

No it wouldn't (2, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548098)

1) domU instances don't get access to the graphics hardware. If you want hardware video acceleration, virtualization is currently not an option. There's a chance that you can do it in a case where your system has multiple video cards, but so far there is no solution for concurrent access to the same video card.

2) dom0 instances (generally considered the "host") OS actually run under Xen too. Apparently (according to the Xen mailing lists) dom0 OSes actually need more modifications than domUs. Thus, it may not be possible to use OSX as a dom0.

How to report a brickified iMac to Apple (4, Informative)

pvera (250260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547950)

1.Walk it into any Apple store or Apple authorized repair shop.
2. Tell them your mac stopped working.
3. When they ask you for the symptoms, tell them it showed a spining ball in many colors, like a rainbow. Then it beeped. Then it told you to reboot in many languages.
4. When you rebooted it, it refused to power up.
5. The proper answer to any probing questions is "uh, I don't know."

Under any circumstances are you to give the impression that you know more about macs than the guy taking your repair order. If the contents of the drive are an issue, take the drive out, connect it to another machine and delete the partitions. Check out the "user installable parts" document for your mac, it will tell you the exact procedure for pulling a drive without voiding the warranty. For the first generation iMac G5 it even tells you the color of the 3 screws that you need to remove, I bet that has not changed with the Intel version.

Re:How to report a brickified iMac to Apple (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547972)

Check out the "user installable parts" document for your mac, it will tell you the exact procedure for pulling a drive without voiding the warranty. For the first generation iMac G5 it even tells you the color of the 3 screws that you need to remove, I bet that has not changed with the Intel version.
Actually, the Intel iMacs (and 2nd-gen G5s) are much harder to work on than the 1st-gen ones.

Re:How to report a brickified iMac to Apple (2, Informative)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547978)

Wrong. There is no warranty-safe user access to the iMac HDs. You can't get past the iSight cable or something. All it allows is memory under warranty, which is actually less than my iBook allows (memory+AirPort)

Re:How to report a brickified iMac to Apple (1)

pvera (250260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547997)

s/Under any circumstances/Under no circumstance/g;

Re:How to report a brickified iMac to Apple (1)

wvitXpert (769356) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548013)

The new iMacs (since they added the iSight) are nearly impossible to open. The only thing even a rather handy person can do is add RAM. It's dissapointing really, considering how easy the original iMac G5 was to open.

Re:How to report a brickified iMac to Apple (3, Funny)

Richard_at_work (517087) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548100)

Yes, lets advocate fraud. Good one.

Re:How to report a brickified iMac to Apple (5, Insightful)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548149)

Or alternatively, you could call them and tell them what actually happened. That way they can diagnose the fault, and fix it. In the event that the person you talk to is someone who reads Slashdot and is therefore convinced that someone experimenting with different commands on their computer is actually doing something illegal, immoral, or just "against the Man(tm)" and that Apple is perfectly within their rights to not honour a warranty under such circumstances, you ask to speak to their supervisor.

There is no reason why typing commands at a prompt should completely brickify a computer. Result in data loss? Yeah. Mean you have to reinstall the OS? That's fine. But render a computer utterly incapable of being restored to a usable state by the user? Absolutely not. We're not talking about plugging the AC cable into the Firewire slot here, or dropping it from the top of the Empire State Building, we're just talking about experimenting with the subsystem that boots the computer in order to try to, legitimately, boot another operating system.

This isn't a slam against Apple here. I suspect these machines do, indeed, have a by-pass somewhere in them to restore the firmware (there's already a supposed fix circulating which may actually be the solution), and there are plenty of companies that also make it relatively easy to brick their systems (would it be too fucking much to add a $5 ROM to your $800 laptops that contains a "good" version of the firmware in case there's a problem with the flash?); far from it: I have great difficulty believing Apple would refuse to honour a warranty over such an issue, and I suspect, ultimately, they'll have a KB article up soon enough ensuring users can fix the issue themselves. In the event they do not, I'd be surprised if they're not seeing this as a design flaw, rather than a user issue.

Re:How to report a brickified iMac to Apple (0)

Shawn Parr (712602) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548159)

For the first generation iMac G5 it even tells you the color of the 3 screws that you need to remove, I bet that has not changed with the Intel version.
Actually since Intel designed the motherboards they required Apple to buy Genuine Intel screws which have quite a different hue than the regular Apple screws. As such several weeks of meetings between engineering and marketing (with Steve present of course) was spent ensuring that the new screw color scheme would match well with the color of all the cables and the circuit boards themselves.

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

OH NO, The slashdotters cometh. (4, Funny)

colin_n (50370) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547957)

I just got a message from a friend of mine saying I have been /.ed . Now my life is complete

Booting is fine, but where's the bounty for... (0)

Panaphonix (853996) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547958)

... running OSX and XP simultaneously? Those new Macs have dual-core for a reason ya know.

Re:Booting is fine, but where's the bounty for... (1)

colin_n (50370) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548169)

Maybe that can be the next contest. However, I think it will be won by vmware or microsoft.

jlebrech (1)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547965)

compile WINE on MAC. done!!!!

Tech support brickfied call (4, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14547974)

However several people have brickified their iMacs when playing with EFI. I imagine those tech support calls...

UserX: Hi, is this Apple tech support?

Tech Support Operator 213453098: Yes, how can I help you?

UserX: Well, I was trying to win a contest by booting Windows XP on my iMac and then totally brickified it.

Tech Support Operator 213453098: Oh that's too bad, can you please start from the beginning?

UserX: Okay, I had XP copied to a disc, I put it in the iMac and fiddled with the EFI a bit to boot XP and all of a sudden I had a screen with a bunch of letters and numbers on it. I tried to hardboot it and get back OSX, but it failed...so I brickified it.

Tech Support Operator 213453098: So you corrupted your iMac to the point will it will not boot at all?

UserX: No, I got so mad I just threw a brick at it - now it's just a pile of sparking wires and smoking plastic.

Tech Support Operator 213453098:
Please hold, let me transfer you to our anger management department. You estimated wait time is... thirty-five .... minutes. Have a great day, sir.

Re:Tech support brickfied call (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548010)



lol u made teh funnis he trew a brik at it

When "because we can" gets tired... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14547980)

I thought the whole point of getting OS X to Intel hardware was to propogate OS X? Why are we so concerned about getting the iMac to run Windows?

Seriously, if you "brickify" your iMac while trying to Windoze-it, good... I laugh at you from a far... you deserve to own a $1300 paperweight.

Small bills please... (1, Interesting)

toupsie (88295) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548032)

You can already boot XP on your Intel Mac [openosx.com] .

Re:Small bills please... (2, Informative)

mh101 (620659) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548095)

They mean installing and booting it natively, so you can dual-boot OSX or Windows, not simply running it in an emulated or virtualized environment.

Re:Small bills please... (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548160)

Uhm, I think they mean natively, not through an emulator.

Or were you trying to be funny?

Bounty & booty (2, Funny)

Conanymous Award (597667) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548118)

I actually first thought the topic was "Get booty for bounting XP..." Now there's a challenge for nerds!

Installing Windows on new Macs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548121)

Even for a reward, it seems ludicrous that anyone with a new Mac-Intel would want to install Microsoft Windows. This only goes to show that Microsoft Windows users (generally) do not have a clue as to really superior and great software. Somehow I feel they think that Windows will work better and be less buggy if running on MAC machines - without consideration that the answer lies in the OS - Unix-based.

Wendell

"I imagine those tech support calls are hysterical (3, Funny)

Caspian (99221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548123)

...you insensitive clod!

WGAF (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14548148)

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want to boot Windows XP on an Intel Mac. The Mac already ships with a much better OS, OSX, so why "downgrade" your experience by using XP?

Come on folks, wake up! Get off of the Windows train and stop being boot lickers for Bill and Steve!

$2773 for bounty? Try... (1)

Vexler (127353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548172)

$1337. And have them write the check entirely in Leetspeak.

Linux + VMware (1)

Skinkie (815924) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548178)

So what about booting Linux and start VMWare directly after Linux boots?

Pirates want in on this (3, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548247)

A bounty for booty ye say?

ARRRRRRRRRRR!

booting linux (0, Offtopic)

penguin-collective (932038) | more than 8 years ago | (#14548249)

Frankly, booting Linux on one of these is a whole lot more important to me than booting Windows.
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