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Opera Mini Mobile Browser Officially Released

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the fingers-in-a-few-more-pies dept.

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worb writes "The tiny mobile browser Opera Mini was officially released worldwide today. Opera is known for its PC and mobile browsers, but even the cell phone version Opera require more memory than most phones today are capable of. Opera Mini works by passing pages through Opera's servers to strip them down before they are displayed on the phone. Also, the Register has a story on how this actually means that Opera now offers a reason not to buy a smartphone, a market Opera currently has a strong foothold in."

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Opera Mini: Screenshots and discussion (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14552759)

Screenshots here:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=13423 [osnews.com]
Interesting discussion here about how good Opera Mini really is or it is not:
http://www.russellbeattie.com/notebook/1008770.htm l [russellbeattie.com]

Re:Opera Mini: Screenshots and discussion (3, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553122)

where's the discussion about this 'feature':
Opera Mini works by passing pages through Opera's servers to strip them down before they are displayed on the phone.
I assume this is an automated process, just like Google's ability to insert relevant ads into G-Mail.

Not to be alarmist, but the question remains, what're they planning to do with those browsing histories?

Re:Opera Mini: Screenshots and discussion (1)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553334)

Are they going to be charged as accomplices when they make kiddy porn suitable for some perv's cell phone?

Re:Opera Mini: Screenshots and discussion (1)

aliscool (597862) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553165)

Nice browser, sucks about all the massively available hardware on the backend to support it...
Web masters should build web site with PDA's and cell phones in mind. They are becoming a bigger player on the web everyday.
After I refresh a site I own I always load it in IE, Firefox, Opera and then load it on my IPAQ to ensure it renders correctly and doesn't suck to bad on the portable.
I have yet to try building a site that caters exclusively to portable devices but I bet the market is there.

Re:Opera Mini: Screenshots and discussion (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553198)

These guys do it:
http://mobits.com/ [mobits.com]
Check their portofolio too.

Super bleeding edge. (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552781)

So now the early adopters of mobile browsing can become even more bleeding edge by using Opera! Now if it was on a Linux based mobile phone, THAT would be somethin!

Re:Super bleeding edge. (2, Interesting)

Eugenia Loli (250395) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552805)

What are you talking about? I have the Motorola Linux feature-phone E680i running Opera 7 (Motorola's linux smartphones are not true smartphones because the SDK is not given away to developers to write native apps for the phone -- a crucial part of a smartphone platform), and I have also installed Opera Mini 1.2 just fine. It works fine.

Re:Super bleeding edge. (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552854)

I guess I was thinking more 'cell phone' (like the screen shots) and not so much 'computer/mp3 player/pda that also makes phone calls'. But cool none the less.

Tasty (0)

mendaliv (898932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552783)

From the article:
To support the service, Opera has implemented more than 100 new servers, says Christen Krogh, vice president of engineering for Opera. He was reluctant to be more specific but he says they run Linux and are massively parallel and massively redundant.

Now that's HOT.

Re:Tasty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553211)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of... oh, wait.

Amazing browser technology these days (5, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552803)

Opera Mini works by passing pages through Opera's servers to strip them down before they are displayed on the phone.

So does this mean that we can finally see pictures of Jessica Simpson and Seven of Nine naked?

Re:Amazing browser technology these days (1)

Rac3r5 (804639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552924)

you mean to say that you've never heard of Google and Photoshop.. :p

Re:Amazing browser technology these days (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#14553735)

You make jest, but there's truth here: I get my phone content through Vodafone Uk and, in the past, they have been limiting my access to pr0n. They ask for a £1 charge to my credit card to prove I am old enough to masterbate. Now Opera proxies all my pr0n through their servers, so vodafone never blocks it and I can look at whatever I want. Heaven!

Opera for Pocket PC (1)

n-baxley (103975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552852)

So when can I get opera for my Pocket PC? Or any other decent browser for that matter.

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (5, Informative)

Reapman (740286) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552910)

By downloading the Opera for Windows Mobile Pocket PC edition http://opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobil eppc/ [opera.com]

Note this is not the same as the mobile browser listed in the article... that one uses Java and will run on almost anything that uses Java. This one is actually an application written for the Pocket PC. I used the one that this slashdot article is talking about on my Palm Treo 600 (not for long tho, found it slow and too basic) For my new Axim x51v I use the Pocket PC version.

As for is this a reason to not buy a smartphone? Uhhhh No.

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14552918)

Actually the Pocket PC port recently went into BETA.
Available for WM 2003 and WM 5.0.

http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/ [opera.com]

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (1)

tzvicky (604801) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552938)

Beta version of Opera 8.5 for PocketPC is already available!
Release info can be found at:
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winm obileppc/ [opera.com]
and you can download:
Windows Mobile 5.0 for Pocket PC version:
http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?id=27582 [opera.com]
WM 2003 for Pocket PC version:
http://www.opera.com/download/get.pl?id=27580 [opera.com]

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (1)

Kris_J (10111) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553217)

I believe those versions only work on Pocket PC smartphones, not normal old Pocket PC devices. My Asus 716 still deperately needs a good replacement for crash-happy and feature-poor PIE.

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554134)

Nope, my Axim isn't remotely a smart phone (I wish) you just have to be running Windows Mobile 5 or Windows Mobile 2003 (which for older devices does mean your sol I believe)

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (1)

johnnysokko (852910) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554406)

I installed the 2003 version on my A716 just now and it runs fine. Disregard the incompatible OS messages. :)

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (1)

n-baxley (103975) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554469)

This is great! And for those of you wondering if it will work on the non-mobile versions of Pocket PC, it appears to on my Axim X30 running PPC 2003. This is so much faste than the PIE. There are certainly still things to fix. I can't copy or paste in the bookmark manager, and the open in new window doesn't seem to be working yet. I'll keep an eye on this one though!

Thanks again.

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553268)

Works on my N-Gage QD.

Re:Opera for Pocket PC (1)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553525)

You can always ditch the pocketPC and get one of these [nokia.com] ;)

I'm writing this from the device using opera 8

Not as such.... (4, Insightful)

Art Popp (29075) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552863)

"...today offers a reason not to buy a smart phone."

Um, no. This is, in fact, the best reason to buy a smart phone yet. Non-smartphones typically save money by having little ram, little flash memory, and slow processors, this makes them cheap and great on batteries. Even with on-the-fly-proxy-html-rewriting surfing the modern broad-band oriented Internet can be a painful experience.

I have a SideKick II (which has Danger's very good html/image compressing proxies behind it), a Nokia 6682 (good Edge GSM phone), and a Treo 650. All of which can download a typical webpage before a SonyEricson T610 can run the most trivial of Java apps. Each of the phones has features I like, but when I need a data device I reach unhesitatingly for the Treo. 320x320 pixels and 300 Mhz beats both proxy-compression and Edge for overall web use for no other reason than more pixels and a more processor make the navigating the received page so much faster. It's also worth noting that now that T-Mobile has rolled out it's Edge network, multi-timeslot downloads are working with the Treo, so in well-covered areas it's twice as fast (~44kbits/s) as a typical GPRS download rate (~22kbits/s). In addition, the Treo has enough processor to play highframe rate videos (TCPMP), makes good use of 2gb SD cards, and has a good OpenSource SSH client (tuSSH).

In short, if you really want to surf from your phone, spend the extra bucks and get a smartphone, or 1000 minutes of use from now you'll wish you had.

Re:Not as such.... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553304)

T-Mobile claims that you can get over 56kbps on T-Mobile GPRS on an ordinary Motorola phone when you call them. I can see that 1 timeslot is supposed to give 21.4kbps, though... Those lying bastards :(

Re:Not as such.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#14554113)

I think you'd be surprised at how well Opera Mini performs on a phone with a high speed data plan. I have a Sprint EV-DO phone (Samsung A900, which is 240x320, btw) and browsing the web with Opera Mini is not at all painful. EV-DO is faster than Edge, I believe, and Opera Mini compresses pages quite a lot. (Try a speed/bandwidth comparison on your Treo.) And my phone fits in my pocket!

Re:Not as such.... (1)

a66at (696335) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554181)

SE T610 is a 3 years old model, and it wasn't intended to compete with smartphones. I bought SE K600i last december, after 1.5 years of using Pocket PC + T610 for occasional web surfing on the go. At first, I was reluctant of giving a try to Opera, being frightened by my previous experience with Motorola mpx200 bundled browser. But when I finally tried it, I found it very comfortable for checking webmail accounts (despite even lack of secure connection through their proxy), news (slashdot) and weather forecast. By now I totally gave up using Pocket Internet Explorer. And now I couldn't imagine any useful (for me) and usable application that I want to be ported from smartphones. Well, I didn't ever used Treo. I believe it's good for mobile surfing. But it costs at least twice as much as a good phone with 176x220 display and fast j2me. And listen, your MobOp just kidding. Normal GPRS is able to achieve 44kbits/s wihtout EDGE extention,

Re:Not as such.... (1)

ssego (943055) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554263)

I have a Nokia 6255i CDMA phone, and I get ~100kbps over 1xRTT. Opera Mini runs beatifully on it, and has for about 2 months now. I'm also using Google Local Mobile. This phone kicks major ass, it plays full motion video (30fps) and uses up to 2GB MMC cards. It also has Bluetooth, a good quality VGA camera, an MP3 player, and FM radio. If you really NEED a larger screen, use Bluetooth to connect your laptop or a PDA (I use a Toshiba e800) and surf on that. My carrier (US Cellular) tries to lock out the built in browsers on all of their phones and sells a minibrowser called nWeb over BREW. It does the same thing as Opera Mini, only it does a very shitty job of it. They took their sweet time getting a NBokia version out, so I hacked the PRI file on my phone to unlock the browser and a few other things (MP3 ringtones and OTA Java midlet downloads). After you get the lameass restrictions off of it this is a sweet phone.

Opera RSS feeds (3, Interesting)

rapidweather (567364) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552876)

I wonder if Opera Mini will also have the ability to handle RSS feeds something like the regular Opera 8.51 does. I'm running it now on my knoppix remaster, and I have several RSS feeds, (including slashdot), and I think it's cool how the little feed download popup in the lower right hand corner of the screen works. Every so often it pops up and shows the download of more stories from the various feeds. Even on dialup, it loads from scratch in less than a minute, sometimes over 180 stories! Then maintains the feed lists with the updates. On a mobile device, do you suppose Opera Mini will have some sort of sound to notify of updated feed lists? Also, the way Opera handles the feeds is superior to Firefox, which only shows the titles of the stories in the bookmarks toolbar folder, in the drop down box. Opera gives you the summary of the story when you click on it, sometimes several lines long, enough for you to decide whether or not you want to click on the main link provided, and go to the actual web page for that item. Opera provides a quick and bandwidth-conserving way of scanning a lot of news items and articles very quickly. Opera Mini might be able to do this also for the mobile devices.

Re:Opera RSS feeds (4, Informative)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553023)

I'm testing it right now and it doesn't seem to have any feed integration.

Then again, the Advanced version i'm using is only 100kb, and it's stunningly fast, good looking and readable (even with the fonts set to minimum size) so I really doubt they could include an RSS reader to boot.

Just use bloglines or that kind of stuff and put your RSS on the web

AvantGo? (2, Informative)

Orrin Bloquy (898571) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552882)

Opera Mini works by passing pages through Opera's servers to strip them down before they are displayed on the phone.

Uh, I thought that was how AvantGo worked, too. Not flamebait, just asking why this is considered amazing.

Re:AvantGo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14552902)

Problem wiht avantgo is that it only exists for 1-2 phone types and PDAs and not on normal cellphones.

Re:AvantGo? (4, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553351)

Opera Mini works by passing pages through Opera's servers to strip them down before they are displayed on the phone.

Uh, I thought that was how AvantGo worked, too. Not flamebait, just asking why this is considered amazing.

Because AvantGo provides you some downloaded content that you can browse on your device at your leisure, and Opera Mini is a web browser, with which you can dynamically view content?

At least, that's all AvantGo did last time I used it (for Palm) and AFAICT from a super-quick glance over their website, it's all they do now.

Re:AvantGo? (1)

Reapman (740286) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554218)

Using a proxy isn't that exciting, A lot of Palm based browsers do that.. What's amazing is that it works on so many devices, and works so damn well. The fact it's massively small is icing on the cake. personally I don't use it, but it sure beats a lot of alternatives.

One word summary: (-1, Offtopic)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552926)

Pony.

Re:One word summary: (0, Offtopic)

koreaman (835838) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553315)

Bceause when you look at a mirror, your eyes are turned 180 degrees from the orientation they would be in if you were looking straight at someone.

I love Opera Mini... (1)

Ariane 6 (248505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552931)

...it lets me get FP anytime, anywhere. In fact, I'm posting this with it right now...

Re:I love Opera Mini... (1)

dud83 (815304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552950)

Argh, you beat me to being the first comment posted from Mini! :/
Managed to get the exact same timestamp as you though...

Works! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14552935)

Using opera mini, excellent :>

OLD NEWS!!! (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14552980)

I've been using this for a whole week..(it was given to sprint users for Vision Phones from a link they provided on 1/13)

http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t= 87456&highlight=opera+mini [sprintusers.com]

O-Mini seems to pass all comm through thier servers in real time. It slices most full window pages into 30 slices. It does the same on large, wider-then-tall images.

Actually I love it so far.. I just hope they keep it free...

Also check out Google Maps for mobile:
http://www.google.com/glm/index.html [google.com]

And Orb (stream MUCHO from home computer):
http://www.orb.com/what_is_orb/ [orb.com]

Re:OLD NEWS!!! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553030)

Same person as above..

Also wanted to add...

RSS support is missing... but it WILL bookmark, grab/store .ico files for sites, it has a history, and two a few smart ideas for making it easier on the bandwidth needed to download a site. These are the ability to switch between bigger text, to make the page webpage "slices" smaller & smaller text to be able to see more, and to pick the encoding of images from a pretty lossy jpg compression to a decent one.

I know it does the oprea webservers are doing it real time as I made up a page on my home apache and it sliced and diced it.... much like a Ginsu(tm) knife... but for like webpages.

Opera Maxi (1)

Moskie (620227) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552989)

Any idea when the new version of Opera Maxi (i.e. normal Opera) will be coming out? 9 has been in beta for a long time, and I'd like to see Gmail work right for once.

Re:Opera Maxi (0, Troll)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553331)

Any idea when the new version of Opera Maxi (i.e. normal Opera) will be coming out? 9 has been in beta for a long time, and I'd like to see Gmail work right for once.

Sure, you can get it right here [mozilla.com] .

(Sorry, couldn't resist, I got a bunch of the same shit talking about aieeeee in another thread) :)

Re:Opera Maxi (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#14553854)

been picking up Gmail mail using Opera 8.51/M2 for 2-3 months, no problems.

Re:Opera Maxi (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554577)

GMail has worked perfectly on Opera for a good while now (i'm using version 8.51 build 1462 for Linux).

BREW version? (2, Informative)

fupeg (653970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14552991)

Opera Mini, just like Google Local for Mobile [google.com] , is a J2ME app. Hopefully they'll both have a BREW [qualcomm.com] version soon.

Re:BREW version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553173)

Anything with BREW on it locks the platform down so much it makes the phone basically useless.
If you are going to buy a phone that you want to surf the web on, a smartphone is a much better choice.

(Unless you like having Bluetooth without the majority of the profiles, and no ability to write
or buy a third party application).

Re:BREW version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553506)

As a mobile phone developer, I'd just like to add: BREW is easier to port! It's entirely possible to have one binary work on every BREW phone. Anyone with J2ME experience worth mentioning will know what I'm talking about. ;)

Re:BREW version? (1)

ssego (943055) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554145)

Why would you want to PAY for something that's free to everyone else?? BREW is nothing more than a wrapper for J2ME anyway..

Re:BREW version? (1)

womby (30405) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554456)

BREW is nothing more than a wrapper for J2ME anyway

Doesn't this comment mean you have no idea what BREW is?

Re:BREW version? (1)

ssego (943055) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554896)

Yes I do. BREW is a proprietary platform developed by Qualcomm. It provides Apps and Games that are sold to mobile phone subscribers. The development of these apps costs a small fortune, so there are few freeware BREW based apps. I know a few BREW developers, and they have all commented on how much like Java, if not exact, the apps really are. I'm all about making money, but BREW is senseless. Java has been available on mobile devices for longer, and is free to develop for. BREW takes the idea of Java and charges for it.

An idea for Opera users... (5, Insightful)

lumbercartel.ca (944801) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553016)

By default Opera identifies itself as "Internet Explorer" and some webmasters incorrectly use this information to determine which web browsers are more commonly used.

If you're a big fan of Opera, like we are (and it's already standard at some of the companies we regularly deal with too), you can actually cast an implied vote by setting the default to "Opera" in the settings:

1. "Tools" menu
2. "Preferences" item
3. "Advanced" tab
4. "Network" option (on the left-hand side)
5. "Browser identification" pull-down menu

And if you find a web site that lectures you on which web browser they think you should use, then send a friendly message to the sales department (don't bother the webmaster because given their attitude they'll probably just ignore you and not bother to let the sales people know) telling them that you were interested in their product but since you can use Opera to browse their web site that you'll just have to find the needed information somewhere else.

Re:An idea for Opera users... (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553046)

If you're a big fan of Opera, like we are (and it's already standard at some of the companies we regularly deal with too), you can actually cast an implied vote by setting the default to "Opera" in the settings:

  1. "Tools" menu
  2. "Preferences" item
  3. "Advanced" tab
  4. "Network" option (on the left-hand side)
  5. "Browser identification" pull-down menu

That, or you know the software, hit F12 for the quickprefs and select "Identify as Opera".

This is completely irrelevant here though, since that's "Maxi" opera and the subject here is mini.

Re:An idea for Opera users... (1)

jedo (470842) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553188)

Or you could...
1. Press F12
2. Click on 'Identify as Opera'

Re:An idea for Opera users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553239)

As well as contacting the site, you can also report a bug to Opera, and if it is a web site issue Open the Web will contact them about fixing the issue, or you can email on web-compliance at opera.com.

Re:An idea for Opera users... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553292)

By default Opera identifies itself as "Internet Explorer"

No it doesn't.

Re:An idea for Opera users... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553513)

shut up fag. If I want to develop a website that you can't view because you are too avante garde to use what everyone loves to use - then it's your loss. Good riddance. Maybe you can enjoy your web through Konqueror or some other linux garbage. I really don't care about the 2 percent people like you represent. And yes, you'll be seeing red when I tell you I am a MAJOR web developer.

Let the Opera User-Agent myth die! (1)

200_success (623160) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554746)

By default Opera identifies itself as "Internet Explorer" and some webmasters incorrectly use this information to determine which web browsers are more commonly used.

That claim is about as false as saying that the web stats are wrong because by default Internet Explorer identifies itself as Mozilla.

Here is an example of a User-Agent string that Opera sends when it "identifies itself as Internet Explorer":

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Mac_PowerPC Mac OS X; en) Opera 8.51

Notice that even though it resembles an IE User-Agent string, it's still obvious that it came from Opera. Every log analyzer is smart enough to interpret the User-Agent string by looking for "Opera" first, then "MSIE", then "Mozilla".

Setting it to "identify as Opera" or "identify as Mozilla" just changes the string to

Opera/8.51 (Macintosh; PPC Mac OS X; U; en)

You can think of it as a protest against the silly mimicry trend that Microsoft started when they made IE's User-Agent string resemble Mozilla's. But pragmatically, letting the User-Agent string be configurable achieves nothing. The stats show that Opera has a small market share, and the stats are correct regardless of how you tell Opera to identify itself. I wish Opera hadn't included this silly feature. Just let this myth die. Put your efforts into converting your friends, not the webmasters.

An idea for Opera users... (0, Redundant)

lumbercartel.ca (944801) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553034)

By default Opera identifies itself as "Internet Explorer" and some webmasters incorrectly use this information to determine which web browsers are more commonly used.

If you're a big fan of Opera, like we are (and it's already standard at some of the companies we regularly deal with too), you can actually cast an implied vote by setting the default to "Opera" in the settings:

1. "Tools" menu
2. "Preferences" item
3. "Advanced" tab
4. "Network" option (on the left-hand side)
5. "Browser identification" pull-down menu

And if you find a web site that lectures you on which web browser they think you should use, then send a friendly message to the sales department (don't bother the webmaster because given their attitude they'll probably just ignore you and not bother to let the sales people know) telling them that you were interested in their product but since you can't use Opera to browse their web site that you'll just have to find the needed information somewhere else.

Will it run on.. (0, Offtopic)

supe (163410) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553052)

my g5 iPod I bought off of e-bay with three matrix movies and 18000 mp3s?

GRPS vs EDGE? (1)

Mo B. Dick (100537) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553058)

This is a little bit off topic, but I'm sure many of you have the same question. I have an EDGE enabled phone. Will this download at EDGE Speeds or just at GRPS. I know its a stupid question, but I'm a little confused.

Re:GRPS vs EDGE? (2, Informative)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553102)

I guess it's using the standard network abstraction layer from your phone's J2ME, so it'll download at what the phone gives him e.g. I'm pretty sure it'll download at EDGE speed when available.

Bring out yer flamebait mods..... (2, Interesting)

Darth_brooks (180756) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553079)

So, does this mean that if Opera desperatly needs some more cache, they'll start logging the pages they strip and sell off the logs to the highest bidder? What about DOJ requests for folks checking out pr0n on their mobile phone?

Is this liability that Opera really wants to take on?

Re:Bring out yer flamebait mods..... (5, Insightful)

flurdy (301431) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553199)

If they obey the laws of Norway, being a Norwegian company, and/or if their proxy servers are hosted in Norway, then they are not allowed to keep any personal information and definetly not allowed to sell them on. Pretty sure police/court requests don't change that situation either.

What they do with anonymous data is not clear though.

However I doubt they use central servers, probably got some deal with google or us/global networks....

Re:Bring out yer flamebait mods..... (2, Insightful)

Mostly a lurker (634878) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553204)

Remember Opera is based in Scandinavia. DOJ has no direct leverage on them. Also, in Scandinavia, privacy laws are taken seriously and must be obeyed by governments as well as corporations.

Yeah right.. (1)

Mindjiver (71) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553428)

Tell that to Bodström. :D

Re:Bring out yer flamebait mods..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553236)

As opera is a norwegian company i dont see the DOJ of the US as relevant for them. And if they decide to mine and sell the data, expect "datatilsynet" to get nasty with them.

Re:Bring out yer flamebait mods..... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553321)

So, does this mean that if Opera desperatly needs some more cache, they'll start logging the pages they strip and sell off the logs to the highest bidder?

No, if they need more cache, they'll probably move from pentium to xeon. Or maybe intel to AMD...

Re:Bring out yer flamebait mods..... (1)

Kuciwalker (891651) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554630)

If Opera needs more cache it'll ask you to get a phone with more memory.

Privacy issues anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553125)

The fact that Opera Mini passes all the traffic through their servers makes me kinda nervous. Moreover, they store cookies on server as well.
OK, I don't think Opera is evil and spies on my email, but I wouldn't use it to access my bank account for instance.

Re:Privacy issues anyone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553182)

Bank Account???? Every bank I know won't even accept your browser unless it has a 128bit encryption. Last time I checked, I don't think any phone based browser has 128 bit encryption and even if they do, why would you access your bank from your cell anyways? Since your so concerned about security wouldn't you be concerned about broadcasting your info where anyone can pick up your info from the airwaves???

I thought... (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553135)

I thought the best reason not to buy a smartphone was having to try and read websites on a 1.5" screen. I suppose if you enjoy something like that, it's all well and good, but I can't even put up with reading text messages. At least they're only a few words long.

Re:I thought... (2)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553289)

Actually I'd suggest you to just try Opera Mini out (it's free after all), the lowest font size on my phone (nokia 6230i) is surprisingly crisp and clear, and puts a LOT of data on the screen. It's actually genuinely nice and easy to read.

The bigger font is, of course, much more readable, but it breaks lines far more often and I find it actually lowers the readability of the pages for me.

Opera mini servers slashdotted? (1)

Maquis196 (535256) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553168)

Any O2 users in here, ive downloaded the phone successfully over wap but it says im not connected :-/!

To narrow it down more what about sony-ericsson users on O2? hopefully its just my phone (the s700i, damn thing is the buggiest phone ive ever owned!) Cheers Maquis196

Re:Opera mini servers slashdotted? (2, Informative)

FromWithin (627720) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553371)

O2 are quite useless when it comes to stuff like that. I expect that you need to be on WAP over GPRS instead of over GSM. You might have the wrong settings in your phone.

For the Nokia phone I used to have, I couldn't get the correct settings from O2 for their own servers! I had to go to the Nokia website and have it text the details to me. Ludicrous.

But fear not, I have exactly the same phone as you, I use O2, and it works fine for me. Give customer support a call and ask them to text you the connection details for GPRS.

Also be aware that O2's GPRS seems to just go off for hours at a time, so you might be experiencing an outage.

mo d up (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553218)

modE 0p (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553266)

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landscape mode (1)

lateralus_1024 (583730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553326)

I wonder whether it can be viewed in Landscape mode on, say a PPC-6700 smartphone. The screenshots displayed text layout much better than IE...which will minimize expensive scrolling /. in the company bathroom stall.

(plus 0ne Informative) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553383)

ROKR : Finally (1)

slashpot (11017) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553394)

Finally - A browser that actually works on the ROKR - I haven't been able to hit gmail on a cell since upgrading phones - until now.

I always thought Opera for desktops should have been free, but this - I'd have gladly paid $30-$40 bucks for it.

Blackberry works, but not very well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553398)

Well it loads on my blackberry 8700, and runs and loads webpages, but not very well, slow as hell and images have horrible compression... text goes missing, and i am unable to load the menu... heh... hopefully they release a BB friendly version :)

Re:Blackberry works, but not very well (1)

senducemhere (563189) | more than 7 years ago | (#14553638)

It also works very poorly on the 7290 - I removed it almost as soon as I got it installed.

Will the US Government want access to the data ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14553480)

So this service has the ability to capture copies of everything that users are viewing.

That would be really useful in the war against porn^H^H^H^HTerror.

Dedicated Opera Mini User (3, Informative)

thpdg (519053) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553561)

I have been using Opera Mini on my Nokia 6230 for about a month now. It runs very quickly, much better than the built in browser on my particular phone. I have found only rare pages that don't work properly. I use HTML gmail, without a problem, and many other full sites work great. You can still look at the mobile versions of sites, and they work even more quickly than the mobile versions in the built-in browser. Supports cookies and SSL without a problem. It's great when you want to go to a site without argument of what your phone can and can not do.
It has a nice front page that helps you quickly return to sites you looked at in the last session, your top bookmarks, and jsut sites you'd like to see on the front page. It also has a very complete options menu, for the standard browser options.
Only one problem: it doesn't support the required technologies to properly support AJAX. It's becoming more and more necessary, and it's a shame that you can't use the dynamic gmail and dynamic custom Google front page. I'm sure they'll get it worked out soon. I'm not sure if it's the javascript, the XML, or the HTTPRequest object, but it just doesn't work. It may even be a DHTML issue.

Conclusion: Try this browser if you have a java phone, you'll love it.

Re:Dedicated Opera Mini User (1)

suricatta (617778) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554102)

One possible reason that it doesn't work as expected is because the Opera server alters the content before it gets transferred to your phone. It shrinks the images and rewrites the code. This makes it viewable on your handset's tiny screen, saves bandwidth, and also saves your phone's limited resources. The tradeoff is that a lot of the code, tags and attributes required for AJAX applications are discarded.

Opera Mini vs. Openwave on Mobiletracker (2)

OwnStile (261614) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553597)

Just an intersting note from Mobile Tracker http://www.mobiletracker.net/archives/2005/11/10/l g-vx9800-review [mobiletracker.net] ...Opera Mobile requires between 3 and 4 MBs of RAM. This device does not set aside that much RAM for the browser. And if it had more RAM, I am sure the included browser would run better anyway.

As for Opera Mini, its abilities are WORSE than the version of the Openwave browser included in this phone: version 6.2.3.2. Opera Mini is a very scaled-down mini-browser (even centering text doesn't work) where all the rendering is done on a special server (that Verizon does not support), so even if you had Java in the phone, it would still not work for you, and if it did, rendering quality wouldn't be as good as the included browser's.

So, if Verizon listens to their customers, their providers (OEMs) will have to move their butt and will have to use a more modern browser. Openwave has it ready for them (version 7.1 of their browser that does a whole lot more, in exchange to more RAM usage, naturally). But until consumers like you complain to Verizon, *nothing is going to change* and LG and others will STILL ship new phones with 2-year old browsers.

The power is on your cellphone to start with. Call Verizon, call Sprint, call T-Mobile, call Cingular, and let them know. And while you are at it, tell them to minimize GPRS rates too cause I just blew another $3 today. ;-)

Re:Opera Mini vs. Openwave on Mobiletracker (1)

Eugenia Loli (250395) | more than 7 years ago | (#14553679)

Thank you (NOT) for quoting MY comment WITHOUT any attribution and taking it OUT of context to confuse the Slashdot readers.

That comparison was between Opera MOBILE/Netfront and OPWV, *NOT* Opera Mini. They are NOT the same thing. Opera Mini is a completely different codebase than Opera Mobile's.

Re:Opera Mini vs. Openwave on Mobiletracker (1)

OwnStile (261614) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554457)

Guess I should have read the thread better myself.

Re:Opera Mini vs. Openwave on Mobiletracker (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554057)

OK, try browsing the REAL mobile web with Openwave, then use Opera Mini.

Openwave doesn't support much of the formatting at all. It doesn't support large pages at all. It barfs on complex pages.

Also, note that Opera fixed the centering thing in this release of Opera Mini ;)

Re:Opera Mini vs. Openwave on Mobiletracker (1)

OwnStile (261614) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554500)

I'll have to put Opera on my wife's phone :) and try it. I don't have the openwave browser, but downloaded the v7 emulator and have had good luck with complex sites, have read my email on gmail etc. I'll try Opera in the morning.

Whee! (1)

kadathseeker (937789) | more than 8 years ago | (#14553602)

I like where this is going. While I do think the Nokia 770 concept is really cool, rather than building stripped-down laptop/cellphone/pda hybrid thingys, why not focus on wireless dumb terminals that access larger servers to do their computing and storage? Picture this: a folding device (like a Nintendo DS or like two PSPs on a hinge) with one screen as a display, and one as a reconfigurable control pad (like the DS touchscreen maybe?) or maybe a qwerty thumbboard (dunno how good a touchscreen setting of that'll be without a stylus), with an earpiece/mic cable thing (so NOT used like a N-Gayge); then a small amount of RAM and tiny processor (about as much or a little more than a Nokia 770, a PSP or DS amount maybe?) and a cell phone/bluetooth/802.11b/g/n communications array. Then all data storage, programs, and real computing power could be accessed wirelessly (maybe Remote Access your home computer?). This would be a lot cheaper, smaller, and (depending on your computer and connectivity) more powerful. USB could allow for connecting a hard drive, external DVD player, battery, or other device. I'd buy one. Of course, wireless speeds are probably still too slow for this, but with the advent of fiber lines, cable, and bpl, along with 802.11n, this could own. I like where this is going. While I do think the Nokia 770 concept is really cool, rather than building stripped-down laptop/cellphone/pda hybrid thingys, why not focus on wireless dumb terminals that access larger servers to do their computing and storage? Picture this: a folding device (like a Nintendo DS or like two PSPs on a hinge) with one screen as a display, and one as a reconfigurable control pad (like the DS touchscreen maybe?) or maybe a qwerty thumbboard (dunno how good a touchscreen setting of that'll be without a stylus), with an earpiece/mic cable thing (so NOT used like a N-Gayge); then a small amount of RAM and tiny processor (about as much or a little more than a Nokia 770, a PSP or DS amount maybe?) and a cell phone/bluetooth/802.11b/g communications array. Then all data storage, programs, and real computing power could be accessed wirelessly (maybe Remote Access your home computer?). This would be a lot cheaper, smaller, and (depending on your computer and connectivity) more powerful. USB could allow for connecting a hard drive, external DVD player, battery, or other device. I'd buy one.

Just exactly what the doctor ordered! (-1, Troll)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 7 years ago | (#14553791)

This is just what I always wanted: A poorly written browser nobody uses on a platform nobody finds comfortable!

Re:Just exactly what the doctor ordered! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#14553873)

It'll fit right in with your choice of instant messaging protocols, eh?

Re:Just exactly what the doctor ordered! (2, Funny)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554559)

This is just what I always wanted: A poorly written browser nobody uses on a platform nobody finds comfortable!

    Now, come on. We've had Internet Explorer for years now.

    PS: I've just tried Opera Mini on an old POS Nokia phone and it worked flawlessly. I'm floored; kudos to the Opera crew!

mini.opera.com slashdotted (1)

Ween (13381) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554039)

I cannot get very far in the download with my WAP browser on my blackberry 7510 before it says download failed. On a side note, I have been trying to download and install 1.2 for a few days now, but I keep getting a java out of memory error on installation. I guess they did not QA for all platforms.

Mirror:
http://www.getjar.com/products/3334/OperaMini [getjar.com]
or from your phone:
wap.getjar.com

Will Google offer a competitor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#14554175)

I just happened to read today that Google had acquired Reqwireless, which used to offer a similar proxy-based cellphone browser called WebViewer. (I used to use it; I think Opera Mini is a bit better, but WebViewer was pretty good.) Wonder if they'll release the browser under the Google name.

Of course then everyone will undoubtedly talk about how innovative Google is...

Proxy Support (1)

matthewcharlesgoeden (764440) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554233)

Until Opera Mini supports proxies (for T-mobile), it sucks.

Re:Proxy Support (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554840)

Actually, I'm using it on a RAZR with T-Mobile, and it works great. I did, however, have to set up my RAZR to use HTTP via GPRS. You can use http://tmobileus.wdsglobal.com/phonefirst [wdsglobal.com] to send a set of valid GPRS settings to your phone, and then, if you have access to it, modify it to allow for HTTP. Doing so may require you flash your phone's firmware, however. http://motomodders.net/ [motomodders.net] can help with that. If you have a RAZR and you're willing to play around with flashing it, I can give you more exact instructions on setting it up to allow HTTP connections.

Finished Installing... (3, Informative)

fishthegeek (943099) | more than 7 years ago | (#14554399)

I just finished installing Opera Mini on my Tungsten E2, and this is an amazingly fast browser. I've been using Blazer and there is just no comparison in performance.

The interface is minimalist and not entirely intuitive for a long time Palm user and at best it could be said to be a little errr... unpolished, but it is serviceable.

You can compare the performance between Opera and Google because they both offer WAP proxying and you can expect Opera's performance to be somewhat faster. Over all it's a sound app, and it works swimmingly on a humble E2 (despite the fact that they claim it isn't supported) so if you have a Lifedrive or Tx the performance should be outstanding.

ta heck with the mobile phones... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#14554659)

...I'd like to see something like this for "normal" desktop useage, a service that would automagically make a "lite" version of web pages. So many sites *don't* have that. I detest "busy" sites. I don't want to keep up with dozens of add ons and extensions and stuff like that with a browser. I want text, some smallish tasteful images, and that's about it, and I want fast downloads and smooth easy page renderings. I don't want flash, animations, sheets with no style, broken this and active that and scripted buggishness and sites that need AJAX cleanser because they are so filthy with extraneous crap.. it's stoopid.

  There's no *true* reason that people have to have a fast broadband connection, a new computer, and every plug in under the sun just to view the web, other than this "they" guy can make it complicated so they go ahead and do that. Bah! Blinkenlights busy bugware has ruint the web.

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