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New PowerBook G3 & the iBook

Hemos posted more than 15 years ago | from the thinner-faster-better dept.

Apple 484

Krakus Irus wrote in with the alert that Apple has released the specs on the new Powerbook G3. Up to 400 mhz, USB, firewire, 20% thinner then the previous machines and two pounds lighter. 14.1 display-it looks nice. What we're waiting on is the news about the new consumer portable-that will be coming out today. Check the rumours about the new consumer book. Update: 07/21 03:19 by H : It's been announced. The new iBook-and it looks /really/ nice. Comes out in Sept. at 1599$US.

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Snore... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792231)

Old news....

Yes Please, May I Have Another (1)

BtyNtChPw (70633) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792234)

I have been thinking about a thinkpad for some time now but it looks like that might change. This powerbook has everything I have always wanted in a notebook and then some. I can't wait to buy one!

No... That's NOT it! (1)

eshefer (12336) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792237)

The slimmer power book was introduced in may..

They are likly to announce something ELSE today... infact, I'm watching the keynote now..
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Re:Snore... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792240)

Yea, these machine were released June 7th. Are you guys that far behind in posts? :)

BTW, I think one of those would be slick, even better with Linux PPC or Mac OS X

hobie

Re:No... That's NOT it! (1)

great om (18682) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792243)

something like the iPowerbook or something I'm guessing.... wonder if it'll fail like the eMate... i hope not, Apple makes nice notebooks and i could use a new one (and i don't like the qality of the current 999 notebook jobs)

Hmmm... Slashdot went to sleep (1)

IRNI (5906) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792246)

Yes this is quite old news. I happen to have bought one of these 400Mhz monsters about a month ago. The article says it has firewire support. No it has PC Card support and you can buy a firewire card. This is nothing new and to comment on the last post. OS X can not run on a powerbook so I hear. At any rate it is a solidly awesome computer. But of course since I just bought this, in the tradition of my curse, they will probably come out with a 300GHz G16 tomorrow and it will probably have 134TB of memory and a GOOGLEBYTE Drive. Things always advance so fast immediately after I buy something. *sigh*

Old news; they've have been on sale for a while. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792248)

They've been selling these machines for a while. 400 MHz is old news for PowerBooks. The nice thing is that the CPU is not watered down as much as Pentium IIs to run cooler since they run fairly cool (for a CPU) as it is so the performance difference is better for PowerBooks vs. x86 laptops than between the desktops.

I think it also has 1 MB L2, but I could be wrong.

Doesn't Have Firewire (2)

variable (13935) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792250)


They are tricky on the main page of the description. The laptop "can" have FireWire via the PC Card slots, but it doesn't have it on the machine itself. Check out the specs link for a less spin-doctored listing.

http://www.apple.com/powerbook/specifications.html

ObQuestion (1)

AmirS (15116) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792252)

Does it run linux easily?

-- Person who can't be bothered to read a single more document/faq/howto today :)

Well, in his defense... (1)

jht (5006) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792350)

The Lombard series PowerBooks aren't new (being introduced in May at WWDC), but they are pretty hard to come by... so maybe they're, in the words of used car dealers, "new to you!"

The P1 portable is the one that's supposed to be announced today isn't on the Apple site yet, and the Apple Store is offline while they load the pages for it and any other new goodies today.

Re:ObQuestion (1)

Namnac (70910) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792354)

Our recently retired Sys Admin has LinuxPPC5 running on his brand new PowerBook G3.

Works great except for some difficulty recognizing USB devices. So, he just uses the trackpad.

I'll pass (1)

chris.bitmead (24598) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792357)

The specs look ok - if that's what you're looking for. But you get poor choice with apple. Yes 2.6 kg is ok for a laptop with a built-in CD and 14" screen. But what if I don't want that? What if I want no cdrom, a smaller screen in exchange for say 1.3 kg weight (in other words half the weight). With a PC I get the choice.

A *new* powerbook??? (1)

mdemeny (35326) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792361)

I thought Apple was releasing *new* specs. This is about a month old. You had me going there.

Dropped the ball on this one guys?

Also, as I write this Steve Jobs is giving a keynote at Macworld Expo in New York. Maybe he will actually release something new there...perhaps the "consumer portable"...the iMac of laptops. Now maybe you'll have something new to report. (http://www.apple.com/quicktime /showcase/live/mwny99/) [apple.com]

On the subject of the 'new' machine: I want one.

FireWire? (2)

leandrod (17766) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792366)

It seems to me that FireWire is not buit-in, but must be separately purchased as a PC Card... this is to me the biggest fault of Apple feature-wise, that it is dumping SCSI from iMacs and PowerBooks without replacing it with FireWire.

Re:No... That's NOT it! (1)

InstantCool (19982) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792370)

I don't think the eMate was ever really sold in mainstream channels. Besides, the iBook is going to be a different animal. I think an inexpensive notebook that's inbetween a regular notebook and one of those micro notebooks could definately find a nich. A regular notebook might still be too big for some people and micro notebook is almost unuseable for most. I still happy with my Desktop and Palm Pilot config though.

Using the iMac fad on the iBook (whether you like the design or not) will sell machines. Apple's probably already got a winner.
--

Re:Well, in his defense... (1)

InstantCool (19982) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792374)

Although they will announce it today, it is (rumor has it) going to be awhile until you can buy one. I don't think they're quite ready yet.
--

It's got SCSI!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792378)

This PowerBook DOES have SCSI. Why don't you go over and actually look at the specs for this machine before you cmplain about them.

Re:Doesn't Have Firewire (1)

yabHuj (10782) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792380)

Citing Apple's website:

http://www.apple.com/powerbook/features. html [apple.com]
"optional third-party FireWire CardBus card"

So there is no Apple interface card available?!

http://www.apple.com/powerbook/spe cifications.html [apple.com]
"Interfaces / Connectivity [...] SCSI port for connecting as many as seven external devices"

Interesting that THAT does not show up on other pages except on the "Acessoires" page. There you will be able to order the HDI-30 SCSI interface like on my old Powerbook 180. Cut-copy-paste leftover garbage from old powerbook pages or correct information?

Well, I'll stick with my old Powerbook for a while, I think. Good enough for typing texts anyway. For power work I have my tower...

Re:Hmmm... Slashdot went to sleep (1)

InstantCool (19982) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792383)

I don't think OS X Server is currently supported ("supported" being the keyword here) on PowerBooks, but the consumer version of OS X will support any G3 Power Macintosh. Due out in late 1999/early 2000.
--

Mis-design... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792399)

Well I suppose for the first time in a long time, apple have mis-designed something...

It started with the iMacs and now that I've seen them in the shop, I know they did the same on the new powerbooks...

The skinny white on black letters and the skinny white on translucent brown lettere of the new keyboards SUCK!

They are hard to make out and thus typing becomes a _chore_

hopefully they'll rethink this error soon.

avi

bercovic@swi.psy.uva.nl

But go figure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792403)

20% thinner and 30% more expensive than anything else on the market. I would never pay $4100 for a laptop, especially not a Mac laptop.

And guess what? Nobody still cares about firewire.

Come on! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792407)

Who _cares_ about Powerbook G3s? I've been holding for months already until the _G4s_ come out..

Re:Mis-design... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792411)

You actually look at the keyboard when you type?

Take a typing class (yes, they have those)

Of course, it still sucks if the keyboard is so small that you end up hitting two keys at a time...

Re:Mis-design... (0)

sheppard (66428) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792415)


Re:Mis-design... (0)

sheppard (66428) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792418)



would u believe i hit the return key by mistake?

No, but neither do PeeCees... (2)

Darth Binks (58006) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792421)

Linux? -EASILY-?

Bwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaah-hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Brother, Linux don't run "easily" on a netwinder, and the sumbitch was -desinged- to run Linux...lord knows it don't run "easily" on the morass of incompatible standards known as the "peecee".

Is linux:
Powerful? Yes.
Extensible? Yes.
Hackable? Yes.
Free? Yes.
Easy? What color is the sky in -your- world?

"Using the force to score chicks"

Darth JarJar

keyboards ... (1)

timothy (36799) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792423)

bercovic@swi.psy.uva.nl wrote (approximately): " ... the new keyboards SUCK!"

I haven't seen a new G3 laptop to comment, but I must say that the monstrosity (minstrosity?) that comes with the iMac is a horrible joke. My office computer is an iMac and despite many complaints I do like it in many ways. But the keyboard ...

Well, I can't quote figure out which combination I'm hitting, but I constantly fumble onto some keystroke which tries to do a 'Save As' on my documents, and which could be disastrous if I didn't stop quickly before accidently hitting Return and having my document renamed "lkajsd."

C'mon, Apple! Users use their keyboards as input devices, not clever pieces of sculpture! (So far I've had to backspace and correct about 5 times in this stupid paragraph ... jeez.) Sure, laptop keyboards are going to be smaller, but -- no, I take that back. Look at an iMac keyboard, subtract the number pad, and you have what looks and feels like a laptop keyboard. I hope the G3 one is at least not worse than this.

an ambivalent Apple user*

timothy

* Still love the old SE/30, though!

*sigh* (4)

EXpunk (66988) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792425)

I used to be a die hard Mac person. I mean, right down to knowing every little detail about every machine Apple had sold since 1980. Someone need to know what kind of PRAM battery a IIFX used? I'd be yer guy. (2x 3.6v lith). So I really do like seeing these articles on /. and in the news.


But prices and the OS just really caused me to drift away. 7.5x was an absolute nightmare and 7.6 no real help. Bash 98 to your hearts content, I'll join you, but if I saw "An error of type 11 has just occurred" or "The application "unknown" has unexpectedly quit" one more time I'd have eaten my own spleen. From what I have seen this was around the time Apple really began to lose many of it's more loyal user base.


These new powerbooks look spiffy, certainly, and I really do hope that Apple gains a bit more of a foothold over M$. But with this snooty attitude that no matter what, people will continue to buy their product (not that M$ doesn't take the same 'tude) IMO they will never regain more than cult status. If the new consumer model has even a small amount of upgrade-ability (meaning more than just RAM) and if users will have more than just one OS as an option for them I would consider buying one for my niece.

I'm sorry though, but I just want to kick Mr. Black-turtle-neck-tofu-munchin'-sandle-wearing Steve Jobs right in the kiwis. I saw an interview with him and his wife and they talked about their being healthy vegetable-aryans, and his kid had done something really really good so as a treat Steve gave him a cup of fruit flavored tea. Tea? You're a billionaire, you cheap git, buy the kid a fucking bike ferchrissakes :-?.

Just got one. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792437)

Yeah I jst got one. 400MHZ DVD cdrom, 8 GB hd, 10/100 mb ethernet, 56k modem, all built in. Slick

Re:I'll pass (1)

CJ Hooknose (51258) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792442)

smaller screen in exchange for 1.3 kg weight

Come on. How about going the other way around? I used a Powerbook 180c for a while--approx. 4 kg weight, noCD-ROM, and a 9" screen. Plus, the thing was twice as thick as the standard notebook of today. If Apple were to put its latest and greatest electronics into that particular case, you could probably get an internal ZIP or JAZ drive with your CD-ROM for not much more money. (Larger case==less miniaturization== less expensive.) That and/or plunk in an extra battery so you could use the thing on a plane trip without recharging it.

Small/light is good. Powerful is better. Sorry, but I see people trying to run Win98 on 233MHz/16MB RAM/2G hard drives at my job all the time... These folks would be better served by A) less bloated software B) heavier, more powerful laptops. A) would be the best, but the way the world works, B) is the only option that's going to be popular.

As for the old 180c, its LCD screen died unexpectedly and the monitor port in back of the box wouldn't accept any cable I could find, not even after scouring five of the computer shops in the area. I sincerely hope this bit has been fixed for the new laptop.

Re: the iBook (2)

Arkham (10779) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792446)

Steve announced the specs:

12.1" TFT Display - 800x600@24bit
Rage Mobility graphics, 4MB VRAM
300MHz G3 w/512k backside cache
24x CDROM
32MB RAM, upgradable to 150MB
3.2 GB hard drive
56k modem
USB
10/100 Ethernet
full-sized keyboard
battery life: 6 hours!
Colors; Tangerine and BlueBerry
Price: $1599, available in September


Oh, and get this:

AirPort WIRELESS NETWORKING!!!!!!!!!!!

The stats on this:
Wireless LAN
11 MBps
Based on 802.11 wireless networking
40-bit encrypted transfers

It has a baseStation with modem and ethernet.

How cool is that!

Re:Old news; they've have been on sale for a while (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792450)

Not sure where you got $4100, but the new PowerBook G3 (Bronze) is $2699 for 333/64/6GB/CD and 3499 for 400/64/6GB/DVD.

Those prices are pretty much inline with Compaq, Dell, and IBM. In fact I think that they are cheaper in price than IBM.

Re:But go figure... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792454)

Not sure where you got $4100, but the new PowerBook G3 (Bronze) is $2699 for 333/64/6GB/CD and 3499 for 400/64/6GB/DVD.

Those prices are pretty much inline with Compaq, Dell, and IBM. In fact I think that they are cheaper in price than IBM.

Also, a lot of people do care about Firewire, including M$ and surprise, Linux.

(BTW, sorry about the double post, I clicked the wrong reply first time.)

Re:But go figure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792457)

"And guess what? Nobody still cares about firewire."

huh? it's about the only connection option you get anymore for digital cameras - still and video. it's quickly becoming the standard on high end devices and moving quickly onto the desktop as pushed by apple. hard drives are finally hitting market - hot swappable, no external power needed, no ID numbers, ridiculous device limit, fast as hell, all for about $50 more than a normal scsi external.

firewire is the real deal and expect it to be around for quite some time.

iBook Specs. (3)

Maktoo (16901) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792459)

Here are the specs from the presentation at MacWorld...

"iBook"
the
"iMac to go"

-- 12.1" full TFT
-- 800*600/millions color.. ATI RAGE Mobility
-- 300MHz G3
-- built-in 24 CD
-- 32MB.. expandable 264MB RAM
-- 56K, USB, 10/100 Ethernet
-- full keyboard
-- 6 hours battery life]
-- iMac plastics and rubber coating
-- handle, opens like a cell phone (no latch needed)

$1599-- available "this September" in volume

accepting pre-orders today

wireless networking... "AirPort wireless"? 802.11 11Mb/s... working with Lucent
Airport base station... 56K/10-100 can accept an "AirPort" card... iBook has built-in antennas... 10 iBooks can share one base station

150 feet away

New iBook (1)

Mr. Morden (56163) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792461)

I just checked out the Apple site and now that the Keynote is over the new iBook is announced and will be sold starting in september.

for more info go here
looks like another winner for Apple

Re:iBook Specs.... more... 2x AGP!!! (1)

Maktoo (16901) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792463)

sorry, RAM is expandable to *128MB* NOT 264...
it comes in two colors... blueberry/tangerine

512K L2 cache
66MHz bus
3.2GB IDE HD
built-in mono speaker
16-bit stereo ouput

ATI chip is AGP 2X!!! (the FIRST Mac product with AGP!!)... 4MB SDRAM

Width: 13.5"
Height: 29.4"
ave depth: 1.8"
weight: 6.7lbs




Re:But go figure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792466)

You forgot to mention totally BS licensing from Apple themselves. Their greed has seriously hampered Firewire from quickly becoming a viable option for many other devices other than cameras and the few rag-tag hard drives.

Re:But go figure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792477)

Well, take the $3499 price and put a decent amount of RAM in it (to run Photoshop of course), add in the non-built in firewire, a case, and everthing else that needs to be added and you get over $4K easily. You can find this at the Apple store web page.

Re:I'll pass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792481)

Maybe, but if you actually _want_ just those ? I mean, most people today need a CDROM, a modem, and this machine is really fast for a portable. (Apple makes portable almost as fast as desktop G3s).
Along with the good battery life (and you can have 2) and cool stuffs like hot-swap of media bay devices that work well unlike most portable PCs (cdrom, floppy, zip, battery, ...) and DVD decoding PCCard (an option), this is really a great machine to have.

Linux support most of the features (ethernet was fixed a couple of days ago, USB still to come since it's a new controller), and yes, hotswap is supported by Linux too ;-)

Ok, I'm biased, I use macs dayly since 1988, but you should give it a try if you encounter one of those beasts.

Re:But go figure... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792484)

"firewire" (or IEEE-1394) now shipping on computers from apple, sony ("i-link"), Compaq, SGI, and probably others. it is way before it's prime, not a dying technology.

Re:iBook Specs - UGLY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792490)

I didn't think anyone could make anything worse looking than the iMac, but Apple has succeeded in topping themselves.

The iBook looks like a magna-doodle, no..wait..it looks like a purse for a teenager. The tangerine one Jobs showed at the show was just horrid.

The price and specs are OK - they're better than OK, but it looks awful. Stick with black or a single color translucent one.

Battery Life!!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792492)

Wow... 5 hours on a single battery, I am impressed.. .

I knew the macs were supposed to have a longer battery life but I had no idea it was so radical.

ANd With a second battery you that makes 10 hours! Geez... I hope they aren't talking about sleep mode...

I might just consider one of these... I am impressed, really great package... I hoped I had looked at those machines before!


G4 (1)

Pope (17780) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792495)

Yeah, I've been holding onto my PowerComputing 180 until the G4s are out.
This thing's gonna make a pretty sweet BSD/*nix box when I move over to the new machine :)

pope

Re: the iBook (1)

eshefer (12336) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792498)

very cool:

http://www.apple.com (well duh!)


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ibook (1)

Quentelin (49429) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792499)

the new ibook, on the other hand, is terribly terribly cute. sadly, with it's colorful little handle, it looks like a teenaged girl's briefcase. As of this posting the http://www.apple.com/ibook/ page was swamped, but I'm certain that the traffic will die down in short order.

in the words of the press release on the apple page, the ibook is a 'hot little number' (tee hee). specs at http://www.apple.com/ibook/specs.html.

remember to match your ibook color to your new beatle!

Not obsolete yet ... (1)

Yosemite Sue (15589) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792503)

Well, never fear, the REAL news about the iBook consumer portable ( iBook [apple.com] )shouldn't make you feel too inadequate about your PowerBook! The new consumer portable is cute, but I'd rather have your machine ... :-)

YS

Re:No, but neither do PeeCees... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792505)

i've found installing LinuxPPC is very easy.. as is installing linux on a PC.

maybe you should try harder.

The *New* laptop - the iBook (1)

SimonK (7722) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792518)

Is here [apple.com]

Re:I'll pass (1)

cirby (2599) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792519)

Yeah, you get a PC that's about half the speed, and you get to carry four kilos of extra gear around with it to make it useful...

I's seen too many folks with these "teenycomps," and *none* of them go anywhere without the external CD-ROM, power hookups, docking station, and the other crap that they never seem to mention when they talk about how small the machine is.

Not to mention that the keyboards are too small for someone with even medium-sized hands.


Re:Old news; they've have been on sale for a while (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792523)

Actually the PIIs on the Notebooks are faster for games and most other apps, (ones that don't need a lot of cache) than a stock PII becuase they have a 256K fullspeed internal cache. They are a couple of % faster than a standard PII unless you are data serving.

Drive (1)

schporto (20516) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792526)

Yeah but does it have a disk drive?
I know of a few people who complained about that.
-cpd

Re:*sigh* (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792527)

"If the new consumer model has even a small amount of upgrade-ability (meaning more than just RAM) and if users will have more than just one OS as an option for them I would consider buying one for my niece. "

There is more than one O.S. as an option. There is LinuxPPC and there is the Mac OS. And maybe Be.

I don't see why "choice of OS" should make a difference in this case. You have about as much choice on the mac as on the PC. The only difference is that you can't run OS/2 on the macintosh. And of course you can't run windows on the mac or macos on the PC; but the PC market doesn't really have more "choice". In fact it might have less, since macintoshes can run any PC OS through emulation, although not quickly..

its cute... but will it run Linux? (1)

thedward (26360) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792531)

If the new iBook will run Linux, I'd definitely
consider picking one up. Though I'd have to get
an external three button mouse. :)

You could always get the Pentuim emulator software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792532)

Runs it as if it is P2 200MHz, in a window too :)

Love at first sight (1)

sheppard (66428) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792535)

my god its gorgeous
i have to get one!

and that airport? sure as hell sounds cool

neeeeed iBook

Keys have letters on them? (1)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792537)

Apple puts letters on their keys? What a waste of time and money. Hackers have no need for legends on keys -- they know where every key is by heart.
-russ

consumer portable (1)

mcc (14761) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792547)

only two: blueberry and tangerine?
i'm disappointed; i was hoping for a gray. too bad.

anyone know anything about this Airport thing? is it just a stronger IR port, or what? is it an open hardware standard, or is apple gonna make it mac-only or something?

Airport == 802.11 wireless (1)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792550)

The *real* question is how much the wireless hub is going to cost. If it's an 11Mbps system, the card is going to cost $600 and the hub $1200. If it's 2Mbps, the card will cost $300 and the hub $800. That's still too damn expensive.
-russ

Re:But go figure... (1)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792551)

If you have to use photoshop, you should know better than to use an LCD screen. Go get a desktop G3 with a 21" monitor and save time and money.

It should (2)

binarybits (11068) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792554)

The LinuxPPC people will probably take a few weeks after introduction to get it to run. If Steve was really serious about the OpenSource movement, he'd give them advance access to one so it'd run Linux on release day. The power consumption probably won't be as good. 8.6 had some dramatic battery life improvements. But there's no reason it wouldn't run eventually. Both the iMac and the PB G3's run Linux just fine.

Then don't get one. (2)

webslacker (15723) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792555)

No need to get into conniptions if you don't like it.

Re:Nice?! What?! (1)

sheppard (66428) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792558)


have fun... :)

now if i could only get it in purple

Re:I'll pass (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792562)

Actually most PCs can outdo a G3 laptop. The CPUs are just a hair slower, but the have RagePro graphics chipsets with 8 megs of SGRAM. I a recall the extra 4 meg makes a lot of differance in games.

Re:Airport == 802.11 wireless (1)

Dwebb (10959) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792564)

According to Apple's web site, the card is $99 and the base is $299, MSRP.

Re:iBook Specs. (1)

yabHuj (10782) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792566)

...plus the 3.2 GB IDE harddisc (which is not THAT much nowadays).

Only one USB port, no SCSI, no FireWire - a very "closed" design :-(

Re:Mis-design... (1)

alfredo (18243) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792567)

You watch your hands when you type? ;) That slows me down. Watch the screen or the text you are copying. Your speed will increase. That is especially important on those fast moving chat rooms.

With Via voice you won't need to type as much. I will get that before an iBook.

Well, going to check to see how my apple (aapl) stock is doing. It was up around 1 1/2 right after the Steve show. It has doubled in values since I bought. My friend chided me, saying I should've bought Compaq. HA HA!!!

It's a LOT cheaper than that. (2)

binarybits (11068) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792577)

Um... $300 for the hub, 100 for the card. $400 total. And you can use up to 10 iBooks with each hub. That means that you can wire a home wireless network for under $1000, even if you have half a dozen computers. Pretty spiffy.

And it is 11 Mbps.

Re:Airport == 802.11 wireless (1)

hadam (45038) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792579)

oh but here it is! 11mb/sec- Hub=$299, card=$99. ill be surfin in the tub. thanks apple!

Re:Airport == 802.11 wireless (1)

Cysgod (21531) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792581)

This should be a news item in and of itself really.

The AirPort is 11 Mb/s, and the hub costs $299. The card is $99 for the iBook. Those of us with other notebooks will have to pay the exorbatent rates charged by other producers. But... 11Mb wireless hub for $300, up to 150 feet. Plus software to go peer to peer.

Playing Quake 3 arena will never be the same.

"Apple Sux" (0)

MrEd (60684) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792584)

The graphics designers that Apple has working for them are really talented. I think these laptops look great, and I'd love to own one, except for one thing - I don't want to run MacOS. I wouldn't mind using Yellow Dog Linux, but I'd much, much rather put the BeOS on. But I can't! Why? Because Apple are being f*ckheads and are refusing to allow Be to port their system to G3 motherboards. So, half the userbase of the BeOS is left with obsolete hardware, and none of the new spiffy equipment from Apple can be used. Bastards.

Damn overprotective Apple. Just because their business is going down the tubes doesn't mean they have to drag Be along with 'em.

catering to the near sighted (pun intended) (1)

_jthm (60540) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792586)

12.1 inch display? did apple just set back in time about 4 years? i beta tested laptops at dell last year, and 14.1 was the standard, with the 15 inch inspiron 7000 the premium.

and i love this quote from the site: "chances are your jacks--those little holes in the wall you plug your phone line into" - apple knows they cater to id10ts, and don't try to hide it.

they also mention playing multiplayer games. no way you'll get openGL support for this box's hardware, so you better be into bridge.

Re:Yes Please, May I Have Another (1)

bliss (21836) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792590)

I have a question. Is there a way to run linux on these? That's the only way I would ever buy a mac.

Re:Doesn't Have Firewire (1)

Mignon (34109) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792592)

I hope Apple has gotten their meltdown battery packs under control. Otherwise I'd say it's got Firewire built in...

Re:iBook Specs. (1)

Maktoo (16901) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792593)

"a very closed design"

just like what they said about the iMac... and look how well it's (still) selling.

3.2 is small, I agree... but this isn't a "desktop replacement" like the PowerBooks... it's a mobile that you will use during the day.

Too bad about SCSI... I guess they're just phazing it out. FireWire is not really needed, peripherals are too expensive for now and there aren't enough of them...

iBook (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792595)

That's a rather tasty lookin' fruit, especially if it'll run Linux. Screen's kinda small, but if the LinuxPPC folks can get Linux running on there and the Sheepshaver people ever finish the Linux port of Sheepshaver, that'd be a nice little toy to have...

Wonder how quick Linux support will be on it, and if the airbridge will work too?

Hmmmm... :)

Re:Nice?! What?! (0)

Psiren (6145) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792597)

No officer with false teeth should attempt oral sex in zero gravity.

That was one of my favourites...

Re:Nice?! What?! (Slightly More Polite) (1)

Serk (17156) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792598)

I'll try to be a bit more polite than the previous poster, but I'm sorry, that thing is the biggest eye sore I've ever seen. I've had people running out of my cube screaming in terror all morning (And no, it wasn't from looking at me, their used to that.) I'm actually not trying to be flamebait here, but I'm suprised that so few people find this thing visually painful. I have no problem with computers taking on non-traditional colors, but personally there's no WAY I'd be lugging around a flourescent blue or orange notebook...

Anyway, just my opinion...

Apple and it's **** ByteMark (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792600)

Are they still pimping the bytemark? Its in the first paragraph of the page! As I remember Byte went out of bussiness. I don't think that you can say that a G3 is faster that any PII based on the Bytemark integer test. As I remember they said that the 233MHz iMac was faster than the 400MHz PII. When will Apple learn not to screw with the minds of the dumber group of its customers who actually belive this stuff. Face it a G3 is a hair faster than a PII in integer, and a lot slower in FP. It renders slower in 3D programs it plays games slower, etc. It is very wrong what they are doing. Almost as bad as the ZDnet 3D bench that said that a RagePro is faster than a Riva 128. (Don't get me started on that.)

Re:consumer portable (2)

TrentC (11023) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792601)

only two: blueberry and tangerine?
i'm disappointed; i was hoping for a gray. too bad.


According to the AppleInsider link [appleinsider.com] in the original article, Apple rushed a batch of them out so they'd have a model to show at this week's MacWorld expo.

It's possible that the blueberry and tangerine ones are the only ones they made in this run; the AppleInsider article says they've been seen "in all five flavors of the iMac, [as well as] in a mysterious smoke gray flavor (totaling 6)".

At least, I hope this is the case; otherwise, I'm getting a blueberry one...

Jay (=
(Who has been waiting for months for this machine to be released -- well, that and geting my credit card paid off...)

Re:Mis-design... (1)

alfredo (18243) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792612)

Don't complain, women know what big hands mean. An occasional double keying is a small price to pay for ... oh well, you get my drift.

Re:No... That's NOT it! (1)

bliss (21836) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792613)

Just how durable is it? I have never bothered to actually purtchess any form of a notebook because they have a nasty tendency to fall apart at the seams at just the wrong time.

Re:"Apple Sux" (1)

Cysgod (21531) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792616)

Linux PPC made a port to G3, why can't Be? Maybe it has something to do with all the money they are getting from Intel. You think? If a bunch of open-source hackers can do it, it tends to make Be look like a bunch of whiners.

The new notebook should run Linux, NetBSD and MacOS X (client). All of which depend on Open Firmware, which has been in all Macs of recent memory. Why can't Be get their act together and do better than two different open source projects? That's a very good question... (hint: show me the money...)

- Cysgod

Re:Old news; they've have been on sale for a while (1)

slockhar (40536) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792617)

am curious as to the durability of these notebooks. checked one out last week and it seemed to have a lot of torsional flex, which could be problematic.

Mediocrity! (0)

akkem (31946) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792620)

It's not light (6.7 pounds)
It's not fast (300 MHz G3)
Its display isn't great (800x600 max)
Its price is sorta ok ($1600?)

But Apple put it in a brightly colored case, so people will want to buy it. I'm starting to think that Apple's strongest feature is its slick marketing.

Though I have to admit, I like the handle.

Re:Hmmm... Slashdot went to sleep (1)

bliss (21836) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792622)

If that's what the laptops are like I would like to see what a high end server looks like!! *evil grin*

Re:catering to the near sighted (pun intended) (1)

Silverhammer (13644) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792624)

12.1 inch display? did apple just set back in time about 4 years? i beta tested laptops at dell last year, and 14.1 was the standard, with the 15 inch inspiron 7000 the premium.

Consumer portable = less expensive = smaller LCD display.

Re: You're missing the point. Go compile a kernel. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792625)

The iBook is not for people who make sweet, sweet love to three button mice and absolutely LOVE compiling the latest version of GIMP on a nightly basis. People like you, who don't care about design, but just want something black, boxy, and dumb.

Get "serious work done"? Do you really think the iBook is targeted to people for whom all they care about is getting "serious work done"?

Figure it out: YOU ARE NOT THE TARGET MARKET.

For those of us for whom creativity means more than optimizing Perl code, it's gorgeous.

Re:Drive (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792628)

It doesn't come with a disk drive, but if you want a USB one they are $99 (powered through the USB port).

Re:*sigh* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 15 years ago | (#1792629)

I'm with you on the bike thing...

Re:consumer portable (1)

sheppard (66428) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792642)


read my boy.... it uses radio frequencies...

and yes it can be used with pcs

see bottom right corner of
www.apple.com/airport/faq1.html

Re:Nice?! What?! (0)

EXpunk (66988) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792643)

Any officer caught sniffing the saddle of the exercise bicycle in the women's gym will be discharged without trial.

OpenGL support is already there (1)

Cysgod (21531) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792645)

OpenGL hardware and software support is already there for the Mac. Please see http://www.apple.com/opengl

Just because it doesn't bash your platform doesn't make misinformative FUD a good thing.

Re:keyboards ... (1)

MidKnight (19766) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792648)

I can't comment on the iMac/iBook keyboards (I've heard varying opinions, more negative than positive), but I've had a G3 Powerbook for about 6 months (last year's model). Now there's a keyboard where they got it right.

I can sit in my La-Z-Boy recliner, typing with the thing on my lap. The keyboard still feels perfectly weighted, my wrists never ache, and I'm actually suprised whenever I hit a wrong key.

Apple has always put almost as much thought into the outer design as the hardware underneath it -- I guess it's a hit-or-miss proposition.

--Mid

Re:Nice?! What?! (Slightly More Polite) (1)

Psiren (6145) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792649)

Yeah, okay. Perhaps I was a little more colourful (excuse the pun) with my language than I should have been. Its been a long... erm.. month. Anyway, my point stands and I'm glad you agree. Its nasty. Its so in your face its ridiculous. And it'll sell like hotcakes. There a whole bunch of people out there with absoloutely no taste whatsoever... ;)

Re:consumer portable (1)

binarybits (11068) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792652)

Apple says it's 802.11 wireless, which I haven;t heard of, but it's apperantly an industry standard. 11 Mbps throughput, 150 foot range, 10 conputers on one $299 hub. $100 per iBook for the cards. And they're working on a card to wire existing Powerbooks. Available in September. Impressive.

What I want to know is what they are talking about when they say that you can use multiple computers on a single internet connection. Does it do some kind of IP sharing so that multiple computers can use the same dynamic IP address? Or is it assuming that you've got a multiple-IP broadband connection? That's quite a bit more expensive, and they could get a lot of disappointed customers if they expect to do this. If this does in fact let you use multiple computers over the same 56k connection, that could be very cool.

It's too bad they didn't add a couple more ports and made the thing an ethernet hub as well. Then all those families with their iMacs could immediately make themselves a home network upon purchasing an iBook and a hub. It wouldn't add more than $50 to the cost, and would make it much more useful.

Anyhow, I want one.

Re:...2x AGP, 160MB max, possibly 288MB (1)

jpatters (883) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792654)

sorry, RAM is expandable to *128MB* NOT 264...

Actually, it has one SODIMM slot which can take a 128MB module for a total of 160MB. It is possible in the future that there will be a 256MB module that will phisically fit in the available space, which would make for a maximum of 288MB.

Re:catering to the near sighted (pun intended) (1)

Penrif (33473) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792656)

"no way you'll get openGL support for this box's hardware..."

Um, please correct me if I'm wrong, but OpenGL does support ATI RAGE controllers.

Re:No, but neither do PeeCees... (1)

bliss (21836) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792658)

I think that a person has to care a certain ammount to really want to get a computer up and running. The concerns that you address with config issues and such are being resolved with Gnome. In essence it will give all the things that win95/98/NT workstation/server can do but with stability, configurability, and open source.

Re:Airport == 802.11 wireless (2)

tgd (2822) | more than 15 years ago | (#1792660)

Unless the card is a standard PC-Card... then it may not matter what system its plugged into, particularly once Linux drivers are around for it, since the drivers can be ported to other architectures...

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