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IE 7.0 Beta 2 Available to the Public

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the download-and-test-for-it-is-enjoyable dept.

Microsoft 422

spyrochaete writes "Microsoft has just made available their latest beta preview build of their Internet Explorer 7.0 web browser. New features such as tabbed browsing and RSS subscription are summarized in an animated tour. MS welcomes feedback at the Internet Explorer 7 newsgroup." There's also a Channel 9 interview available, as well as commentary on the IEBlog. Update: 01/31 19:58 GMT by Z : prostoalex wrote in with a link to a review of the release at PC Magazine.

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422 comments

how fitting (-1, Troll)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609341)

Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

The only thing we'll see is new exploits :-)
-nB

ARGH (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609747)

It is not, has not, and never will be funny to make stupid jokes about the "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along." message.

Would you and all others PLEASE STOP DOING THIS ?? You are far more offensive than the GNAA could ever hope to be.

Once again... (2, Funny)

Kesch (943326) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609378)

I will repeat my earlier sentiment. Windows update with tabs and RSS, yipee!

Once again I will return to browsing the internet with Firefox.

Re:Once again... (5, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609417)

Microsoft cannot survive developing new features at its current pace. 5 years between releases for SQL server and and 3 years for most other applications is too much. We haven't had a new IE since 2001. Meanwhile, new versions of the competing open source solutions are being released every year, sometimes more often, with tons of new features. At this rate, in 10 years, MS software will have a quarter of the features of the competing open source products.

Re:Once again... (4, Insightful)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609545)

It's not the number of features that's important; it's whether you implement the important ones well.

Re:Once again... (1, Funny)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609618)

-1, No Shit

I need sleep.

Re:Once again... (1)

AlvySinger (900304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609677)

And if they released new versions every year they'd be damned for perpetuating a constant upgrade path.

Re:Once again... (2, Insightful)

Mike Savior (802573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609858)

Noone spits on Apple for doing it. Not trying to flame, trying to make a point.

Re:Once again... (5, Insightful)

robgamble (925419) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609746)

They didn't need a new IE until Firefox started creating bona fide competition.

Re:Once again... (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609659)

From the Channel 9 comments section:
i threw firefox right out ! didn't even watch the video before

edit: i 'd love to be in that office..... i mean... the view is really beautiful. that's my idea of a dream office (if there's such a thing)


He threw firefox right out? I guess one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Re:Once again... (1)

BruceCage (882117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609778)

I took a quick look and from what I can tell, nobody that's using Firefox will even be tempted to switch. Organizing your bookmarks pretty much hasn't even changed, it actually seems to be quite buggy here (if I try and move a link it doesn't even move there), especially compared to the powerful manager that comes with Firefox.

Other that then, it annoys me that I can't even seem to move the "classic toolbar" (files, edit etc...) to it's original position, you know..... where it actually belongs.

I do like the feature which gets you an overview of all open tabs.

Summary, when compared to Firefox: ain't the same fuckin' ballpark, it ain't the same league, it ain't even the same fuckin' sport.

Re:Once again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609784)

Once again I will return to browsing the internet with Firefox.

Why limit yourself to a free scooter when you can have a free, finely tuned Mercedes [opera.com] ?

Re:Once again... (1)

OneSeventeen (867010) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609931)

I don't think anybody will be switching back to IE7 from Firefox, the problem will be getting IE7 users to switch to Firefox.

Tabbed Browsing!!! (2, Funny)

gasmonso (929871) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609379)

Way to lead the pack MS!!!!

http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]

ACID2 test? (2, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609384)

How do they fare in the ACID2 test, compared to their old bloody (everything's red, it must be blood!) result? Can anyone post a screenshot?

Re:ACID2 test? (1)

finkployd (12902) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609565)

How do they fare in the ACID2 test, compared to their old bloody (everything's red, it must be blood!) result? Can anyone post a screenshot?

Poorly, I would post a screenshot but I did not read through the entire EULA to know if that is forbidden. Let's just say it is still bloody.

Out of curiousity, what does currently pass acid2? Firefox certainly does not either (although I suppose it is a little closer)

Finkployd

only Safari passes ACID2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609632)

As far as I know, only the latest version of Safari in Mac OS 10.4.3 passes Acid2.

Re:ACID2 test? (1)

l33t.g33k (903780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609648)

Safari and Konqueror pass the Acid2 test. Unfortunately, I can't post screenshots of it because I'm on windouse right now.

Re:ACID2 test? Not even close. (4, Informative)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609567)

IE7 ACID 2 test screenshot [interthresh.com] - I just loaded it, and did this screenshot. Not even close, though that shouldn't be a surprise - MS has already said it wouldn't pass the test. FF doesn't pass it either, mind.

Re:ACID2 test? (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609645)

Microsoft has said before their aim isn't to complete it, so I guess they fail it more or less horribly.

Re:ACID2 test? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609688)

It was said on the IE blog that IE7 won't pass the Acid2 Test.

Re:ACID2 test? (1)

MartinG (52587) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609692)

Does anyone know anything that _does_ pass that test?

No need to use ACID... (1)

GeekDork (194851) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609802)

I can see two problems on my own little page experiment: (1) a div element is extended one element beyond its closing tag, and (2) no support for CSS2.1 :before pseudoclass. Oh, why bother. I'm not paid for that stuff, so fuck IE. The only reason to use it is to get some laughs. It even tagged an Apache2 404 error page as a phishing site.

Beta or not, there's no excuse for that.

Re:No need to use ACID... (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609894)

It even tagged an Apache2 404 error page as a phishing site.

Honi soit qui mal y pense...

first look - running dialogue (5, Informative)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609387)

Okay, first start it up, and you get a web site with a broken image and 'errors on page'. Nice.

Somewhat goofy interface, reminiscent of Opera. Oy. How do I turn off these cartoony buttons?

Built-in phishing protection = good

Okay, load the company's homepage:

        Layout seems perfect.

        Uhoh - dig the heavy main font; THAT ain't right. Something as basic as font weight is fucked up? Very bad. It looks like everything is bolded now. :( The fonts _look_ nice, though, unless they're italic, then they're hard to read. Definitely some font issues going on here.

        It's also slower with the menu changing background colours. Probably because of debugging code in the beta. I hope.

        Okay, quick check to see if IE6 is still on here...aaaannddd...of course not. Fuckers. Okay, let's check in Firefox, yep, what I thought. IE7 is messing up some of the menu's CSS effects - sometimes putting an underline under some of the items when it shouldn't. Still beta, so no biggie.

        Okay, load company site 2:

        More sophisticated layout, layout still fine. Good.

        Okay, load company site 3:

        Much more sophisticated layout, and front page layout looks fine, but visited link colour is wrong.

Built-in close-tab X on each tab, but only when focused on that tab. Better than default FF behaviour, but they should take a look at Tab Mix Plus extension features.

Okay, let's check the Options!

Popup blocker defaults to off? Bleh.

Prompt to save passwords on forms defaults to off? Bleh.

AHA - font problem solved - installing IE7 turns on ClearType: MONDO STUPID. Turn of ClearType, restart, fonts are back to normal. Whew.

Okay, so, it seems to load Slashdot well enough.

It remembers many IE6 settings, but others (like preferred fonts) it does not. Not a biggie for a beta.

So, all in all, not bad for the first public beta.

Same ctrl-T to open new tab as in FF. Bueno.

Re:first look - running dialogue (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609468)

not bad for the first public beta.
Isn't this just a preview of Beta 2? I head the final Beta 2 will be out in April.

Re:first look - running dialogue (1)

bunratty (545641) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609500)

I should have previewed my post more carefully. I actually heard the final Beta 2 will be out in April.

Re:first look - running dialogue (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609685)

Heh, thanks for the 'running commentary'...

AHA - font problem solved - installing IE7 turns on ClearType: MONDO STUPID. Turn of ClearType, restart, fonts are back to normal. Whew.

Quick question for you: does IE7 antialias text normally? Or is it a ClearType-only thing? I understand ClearType to be only for LCD panels. (Also, what do you hate about it? I've never used it myself.)

There's only two things I want from IE7 as a designer: antialiased fonts and PNG alpha channel support. I doubt I'll get either.

Re:first look - running dialogue (2, Informative)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609825)

Quick question for you: does IE7 antialias text normally? Or is it a ClearType-only thing? I understand ClearType to be only for LCD panels. (Also, what do you hate about it? I've never used it myself.)

It IS only for LCD panels, though some people will tell you it also works on CRTs: not true. There are no subpixels on a CRT. If you have a discerning eye, you'll hate it on a CRT. What I don't like about what it does to text on a CRT: it makes everything look bold. It mostly looks better, even on a CRT, but only for normal or bolded text; italicized text looks _terrible_, and it very hard to read.

There's only two things I want from IE7 as a designer: antialiased fonts and PNG alpha channel support. I doubt I'll get either.

Well, there is a font setting in Windows to emulated antialiases fonts that works well enough (but it'll never look like text on a Mac). I'd say forget that for sure - that belongs in the OS, not in an application.

PNG alpha channel - already in there, officially, per the IE team. w00t!, etc.

Yay! (0, Flamebait)

cosmotron (900510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609388)

Time to infect my computer!

And now IE 7.0 is (-1, Redundant)

bigjerkboy (950982) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609390)

IE 7.0 = FireFox 1.0

Re:And now IE 7.0 is (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609619)

<SPINAL-TAP>
But 7.0 is 6 louder than 1.0!
</SPINAL-TAP;>

No No No (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609767)

IE 7.0 Beta 2 = FireFox 1.0

IE 7.0 > FireFox 1.0

Spare me your zealotry for a moment and think about it. I guarantee that IE 7 is going to obliterate Firefox, when it comes to user mindshare. Just like IE5 and 6 buried Netscape. This will set web development back ages as the slowly building current trend towards standards based cross browser compatibility will revert to the old way of developing sites specifically for IE.

Ad blocker? (2, Interesting)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609393)

Some AdSense advertisers are complaining that IE7 has a built in adblocker specifically targetting Google's ads. Can anyone confirm this?

Re:Ad blocker? (1)

Apathist (741707) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609434)

With no information at all, I'm going to have to call bullshit. There is just no way MS would risk beign sued black-and-blue over decreasing Google's revenue by a fraction of a percent...

Re:Ad blocker? Not true (4, Informative)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609465)

No - I just loaded a site with google ads and they showed up just fine. At least, for their regular text ads, not the rumoured upcoming graphics/flash ads. I don't know if those are even out yet, though.

Re: Ad blocker? (1)

labreuer (950633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609558)

Methinks they should build an add-on that blocks AdSense and publish it through some fake company. I'm sure loads of Google's AdSense revenue comes from IE users. If Microsoft really wants to get into the search business or generally compete with Google, what better way to attack an opponent in the style Microsoft is famous for? Alternatively, one could simply use Firefox and download an extension that makes AdSense ads invisible ;)

Re:Ad blocker? (1)

IAmNotBillGates (949262) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609649)

Not confirming. Adsense works fine over here.

Re:Ad blocker? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609842)

Typical misunderstanding. Go to https://google.com/adsense [google.com] and note they send the wrong certificate. This is more boldly blocked in IE7-- in the past, it was a dialog, now it's a full page.

WOOT! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609395)

Just what we all need...another piece of crap to install on windows...

Torrent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609402)

Torrent pls?

Looks nice but.... (2, Interesting)

jerryodom (904532) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609411)

Doesn't bode well when I'm getting Javascript errors at the IE7 tour page and in the tour pages. I do like the quick tabs. They seem like they'll be pretty useful. Lets hope the the security measures really help secure our PCs and not open us up to new attacks.

its the spyware on the page (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609513)


microsofteup.112.2o7.net
mseupwinie.112.2o7.net

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/shared/s_code. js [microsoft.com]

IE7 final release available (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609412)

IE7 final release available here
http://www.opera.com/ [opera.com]
and
http://www.mozilla.org/ [mozilla.org]

Seamonkey (2, Informative)

stecoop (759508) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609413)

I still like seamonkey better http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/news.htm l [mozilla.org]

Re:Seamonkey (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609594)

Well done! Looks like you just predicted the /. future:

COMING UP NEXT ON SLASHDOT:
SeaMonkey 1.0 Released
Posted by Zonk in The Mysterious Future!

pre-install note: (4, Informative)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609415)

You must do the 'Windows Genuine Advantage' thingy before it'll install.

Re:pre-install note: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609485)

Does anyone have the crack for the Genuine Advantage thing?

Re:pre-install note: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609488)

Now, who would like to tell us how to get around that?

Re:pre-install note: (1)

Kesch (943326) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609502)

Damnit, there goes my beta. P.S. I have genuine Windows; I just won't admit it.

Re:pre-install note: (3, Funny)

grcumb (781340) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609644)

"You must do the 'Windows Genuine Advantage' thingy before it'll install."

Ok, that explains it. I figured the mirrors were just slow:

user@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install msie7
Password:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package msie7
user@ubuntu:~$

Re:pre-install note: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609701)

All you have to do is turn off the genuine advantage plug-in - tools -> internet options -> programs -> Manage add-onds. Then just disable "Windows Genuine Advantage" wala, windows update works without a hitch.

Re:pre-install note: (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609724)

Windows Update is different from the IE7 preview installer, FYI.

Re:pre-install note: (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609841)

No, it requires WGA to INSTALL.

BTW, WTF is "wala"? Do you mean "voila"?

Re:pre-install note: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609880)

Yea, how about a torrent link for those of us who are valid licence key challenged.

How to bypass the WGA (really) (4, Informative)

acariquara (753971) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609933)

1. Get the hacked iecustom.dll (google for it)
2. Download the beta. DO NOT RUN IT
3. Using WinRAR or 7Zip, unpack the executable (right click it)
4. Go to the "update" subfolder
5. Replace iecustom.dll with hacked one
6. Run UPDATE.EXE (not setup.exe)

done.

Had A Chance... (2, Informative)

u16084 (832406) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609416)

I had the chance to preview... PNG support is there... Still lots of page rendering errors, (slashdot) is one example... page scrolls for ever... tabbed browsing is sweet... some security tweaks.. Once completed...

Almost died laughing... (1, Informative)

raxrat (776937) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609422)

when I got to the "See how tabbed browsing works" section of the animated tour. Good stuff! As a Safari and Firefox user, I've been using tabs for well over 2 years :)

News? (-1, Flamebait)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609424)

I realize that millions of people use this software, but is every beta release with no innovative features deserve news coverage? Are people really anxiously anticipating every beta version? News coverage of when the final release is due is meaningful to users and web developers. But I'd hardly call IE 7 Beta 2 news for nerds or stuff that matters.

Re:News? (2, Insightful)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609608)

News coverage of when the final release is due is meaningful to users and web developers.

This is the first beta with the rendering engine changes in (CSS fixes, HTML improvements, PNG alpha channel support, etc). And it would be a bit late for web developers to check for compatibility and report bugs after the thing has been released, wouldn't it? No, this is the right time for Slashdot to report this.

Re:News? (0, Troll)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609779)

I do web development and frankly I don't care about IE 7. Hardly anyone will be using it for a long time after its release. I develop to web standards and test in each current popular browser. When it hits maybe 10% market share I'll care if my sites are compatible. And even if they're not I won't be doing much if anything to conform to any of IE's new broken standards.

Re:News? (1)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609769)

Why not? Every release of Firefox/Mozilla/Etc. was...

Beta? Microsoft? (2, Informative)

rsborg (111459) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609430)

Hasn't Google trademarked that term? >

Seriously, IE *is* playing catchup. Some will say that this is the end of an IE only net.

Others say that all Microsoft has to do is to just be "good enough" and they can keep their near-monopoly market share of the browsing environment.

One thing that's for sure is that Microsoft is no longer the "apparent" force for innovation that they were in the 90's.
And that tabbed browsing (eg: MDI done properly) is here to stay :-)

FC4 (4, Funny)

czarangelus (805501) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609437)

I'm going to beta test it right now... in Fedora Core 4. And I'm gonna send an error report if it doesn't work, too.

Not joking.. :-P (1)

Henk Poley (308046) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609586)

When running IE7B2P-WindowsXP-x86-enu.exe under Wine 0.9.5 it gives an error message:
"Unable to find a volume for file extraction.
Please verify that you have proper permissions."

IEEEEE-7 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609463)

But will it run under Wine?

IE Is Still an Alzheimer's Patient.... (3, Interesting)

Muad'Dib129 (868864) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609475)

I saw the first beta through my company (has an MSDN subscription) and this version LOOKS alot better, but still hogs a ton of memory. At present time, its using 104MB of ram, 79MB of pagefile space. The only thing I have loaded is this wonderful site: slashdot.org. Firefox is using just 24.8MB of memory. Looks like I'm uninstalling already. The UI is pretty, though.

Is there a build for Debian? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609499)

Im too lazy to re-install windows, although i am interested in trying this out. =)

beta (-1, Redundant)

revery (456516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609510)

Microsoft has just made available their latest beta preview build of their Internet Explorer 7.0 web browser.

Additionally, users of the new Internet Explorer will be treated to the beta versions of many new viruses and exploits, allowing them to experience all that the web has to offer.

their too late... (0, Offtopic)

JFlex (763276) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609529)

If Microsoft is trying to gain the focus of the IT industry today (ie. slashdot readers) they are too late. Google seems to be on top. Instead of IE 7, maybe MS should announce the open beta of a new Linux distro. Possibly called Lista?

Preview tab is sweet (4, Interesting)

twbecker (315312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609547)

I like that you can preview all the tabs you have open in one spot, and either switch to them or close them from there. Honestly, I expect that IE7's tabbed browsing will be better than vanilla Firefox. Firefox gets several things wrong out of the box (which are being fixed for FF2.0, and are available in trunk builds now).

Re:Preview tab is sweet (1)

Mikey-San (582838) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609588)

Re:Preview tab is sweet (1)

twbecker (315312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609646)

Is that out of the box functionality for Safari? I know Firefox has extensions that will accomplish the same thing, but it's a nice enough feature to be in the base code IMO. Also, note that I never claimed MS was innovating, simply that IE7 tabs would be superior to those in FF.

Re:Preview tab is sweet (1)

minimunchkin (838824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609907)

Not out of the box in Safari, but you might want to check out Shiira. [hmdt-web.net] It has the very nice Tab Expose feature and it uses Webkit. It has quite a few little innovations and the tabs are draggable.

What does that GUI remind me of... (1)

Coco Lopez (886067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609549)

I could swear I've seen those features somewhere before ... damn, can't remember where. But it was a while ago... maybe like a year ago or something. Maybe it was two years. Hmmm. Damn, well anyway --- I can't wait to try out these revolutionary new features.

Just FYI (5, Interesting)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609568)

Just because I know a number of you n3rds here will try to see what the IP address that is reported as a "Phishing website" on the penultimate page of the tour is, I already checked. It belongs to MSFT itself.

http://207.68.142.106/contoso/enroll_auth.html [207.68.142.106]
Search ARIN WHOIS for: 207.68.142.106
OrgName: Microsoft Corp
OrgID: MSFT
Address: One Microsoft Way
City: Redmond
StateProv: WA
PostalCode: 98052
Country: US
NetRange: 207.68.128.0 - 207.68.207.255
CIDR: 207.68.128.0/18, 207.68.192.0/20
NetName: MICROSOFT-CORP-MSN-BLK
NetHandle: NET-207-68-128-0-1
Parent: NET-207-0-0-0-0

I always wanted to see Microsoft blacklist itself in one of it's intricate series of patch releases, security alerts, and spam filters. Now my life is complete.

Re:Just FYI (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609815)

"I always wanted to see Microsoft blacklist itself in one of it's intricate series of patch releases, security alerts, and spam filters. Now my life is complete."

LOL!!! BTW, thanks to that comment, I now have to clean the coffee I sprayed while laughing from my keyboard and monitor....you insensitive clod! :)

Yay, No active X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609579)

FINALLY they did something right and disabled activex controls by default. I always take this step with a clients computer and this seems to solve about %50 of there spyware problems (other 50% is from downloading and running "Uber cool free poker/P2P program". But on a sad note, they no longer have Gopher support, gopher you will be missed. :)

ActiveX controls--ActiveX controls are disabled by default in Internet Explorer Version 7. The ActiveX Input TYPE=FILE control no longer submits a fully-qualified path; it now submits only a filename. The ActiveX control for XEnroll certificate enrollment was removed from Windows Vista and replaced with a new control.

Release Notes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609583)

Release notes for this preview are up at http://msdn.microsoft.com/ie/releasenotes/ [microsoft.com] .

My web doesn't work... :'( (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609585)

It looks like Microsoft is trying hard to tell they make the web work for me...

Their struggle is to get a heading on an otherwise mostly empty web page show correctly.

They fail it. [imageshack.us]

Seriously, if they can't even make a title graphic look right, just fire your webmasters.

My brother knew how to do it cross-platform, when he was 13, a multi-billion dollar company don't?

from TFWP (1)

Churla (936633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609592)

Internet Explorer 7 Beta 2 Preview will only run on Windows® XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) systems, but will ultimately be available for Windows Vista, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, and Windows Server 2003.

Does this mean no Win2k support for it?

And how about (just to annoy people) Mac support? heh

IE7=firefox 2005? (0, Troll)

doktorstop (725614) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609609)

Oh my god.. tabs, RSS feeds, built-in search box and "easy-to-use" interface! it's Firefox! Did MS just realised that because of open-source, they can just recompile something really nice, give it a nice name (hmmm.. IE7?) and boost it as the next Microsoft innovation?

pretty nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609611)

Well, it's pretty nice. Eventually I am likely to switch back to IE as I come across too many sites which don't work properly in Firefox.

Saying that, IE7 stuffs up www.drupal.org and my drupal sites so I hope they fix this.

IE7 also enables Clear type by default which isn't very welcome.

more microsoft PR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609623)

from Zonk

pre-install note: forgot to mention a clever thing (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609625)

The installer runs the Malicious Software Removal Tool before installing IE7 - clever. Too bad they didn't think of that for SP2 for XP; I heard a lot of problems with SP2 were due to that kind of stuff infecting a machine. Let's hope this is a feature that stays around, and spreads to other MS software installs.

But IE and Windowas are Inseperable!! (1)

syntap (242090) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609639)

Wow... all of Windows is only 11 MB! I guess the old defense against the monopolistic "binding" issues have gone away.

- My best SIG is this one

Re:But IE and Windowas are Inseperable!! (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609721)

Try using help in any number of applications (MSFT or third-party) with IE uninstalled. Numerous other applications embed the MSHTML browser control or use IE's features in some way. They'll all break without IE. This is one area where Microsoft excel: backwards compatibility. This IE7 upgrade will function in applications from the 1990's.

Doubt I'll switch back (2, Interesting)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609657)

I'm not fond of upgrading software. Being a software developer, I often don't have a choice. I often have to make sure I'm using the latest of anything that might be work-related and that includes things like Office and other supporting software.

But with something like a web browser, I get a choice. I held off on switching to Firefox. I tried some earlier version and while they had nice features, there were too many issues, I wouldn't switch. Shortly before the 1.0 release, I finally made the switch. The two most compelling features for me were the tabbed browsing and the keyworded bookmarks (which I use ALL the time).

I don't know if IE 7 has the keyworded bookmarks and without it (or something similar), I wouldn't even consider it. But the fact remains that without some compelling new features, I doubt I will switch and from what I've seen so far, there's just nothing like that.

I suspect a lot of regular users are like that. Without a really compelling reason, they won't switch. I suspect IE 7.0 will fail to turn the tide of people switching to Firefox.

Anyone notice.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609679)

..that the first page of the tour doesn't render "properly" in Opera or Firefox? It does look correct in IE6 though.

Mac version (1)

qwertphobia (825473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609689)

You can download the Mac version here! [getfirefox.com]

Seriously, though, Mac OS and other platorms gaining ground on Windows. And Windows users are tiring of spyware and are switching to other browsers.

Are the developers out there starting to realize that not all users are IE/Windows users? Are developers starting to make their apps and sites browser-agnostic? If so, I'm not seeing much of it.

My browser-agnostic apps are not going IE/Windows only, but my IE/Windows apps aren't going browser-agnostic either.

Eh, too little too late (2, Interesting)

finkployd (12902) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609700)

I'm using it now to post this comment, and then I'm switching right back. The toolbar is ugly (granted it is beta), and I'm amused that Yahoo is the default search tool over MSN (google of course is not even an option, after all who searches with that?).

Rendering is still sub par, tabs are nice though. All in all, it has a strong "welcome to the cutting edge of web browsing, circa 2003" feel to it. Given that Firefox actually has some momentum now even in corporate America, not to mention joe average who is beginning to draw a connection between spyware and IE, I think MS is going to have to do better than a poor Firefox clone to reverse that trend.

Finkployd

Re:Eh, too little too late (1)

keiichi000 (951020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609916)

Actually, it seems to default to whatever you default search engine is in the Internet control panel. Right now in the copy of IE7b2 I have installed, it says "Search Google" right there in the upper right hand side search bar [Which reminds me of something in MacOS X... hmmm]. So you might try checking what search engines it has information for in the Internet control panel, since you probally only have MSN and Y! Search information there.

Yawn (why bother?) (1)

BigBuckHunter (722855) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609718)

Personally, I am not to excited about this (haven forgotten about MS a while ago). The real question is, who is going to be using this new browser, since reasonable alternatives with better features have been around for over a year. Seriously, who still uses IE (other than 80% of the internet surfing public). Are RSS and tabbed browsing really going to entice people to switch, or is MS going to Masquerade a product release as a "security update"?

BBH

Re:Yawn (why bother?) (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609914)

Unfortunatly, still about 1 in 10 websites I visit REQUIRE I.E. access, including my bank. While I would like to use FireFox, for the last 2 years either the bank isn't working to support FireFox, or FireFox isn't working to support the bank. I have even submitted the bank's url to Mozilla as a web page that doesn't work and contacted the bank to let them know I want to use FireFox.

About 3 in 10 websites don't work properly in FireFox, and ANY built in PDF viewing remains hit or miss. Half the time launching a PDF in FireFox results in it crashing.

So, for the mean time, many of use still require to use I.E. as there is no other choice, hopefully I.E. 7.0 will at least make it safe to have to use it in those cases.

Choose your own search engine. (1)

AnotherDaveB (912424) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609844)

Just going through the features tour IE7 appears to have a preference pane for the search box [microsoft.com] , you can easily choose which search engine to use yourself. I think this is a great idea. I requested the same thing of Apple/Safari through their feedback mechanism, but nothing ever came of it - I'm british so I would rather use google.co.uk or uk.yahoo.com than the google.com that Safari defaults to.

I only use IE6 for compatibility testing at the moment (via Virtual PC) it has a really annoying habit of requiring the 'http://' prefix to urls in the address bar, or sending you to search.msn.com, while other browsers will accept 'www.slashdot.org' and add the prefix themselves. I hope this is changed in IE7 as my next machine will almost certainly be one of HP's Ubuntu laptops [hp.com] which will be set to dual boot with XP.

Camino [caminobrowser.org] still has the prettiest buttons :-)

Google Toolbar 4 (1)

JFlex (763276) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609877)

Just installed IE 7, then immediately installed the new Google Toolbar 4 beta. It installs, but by default its 'hidden'. You have to go to Tools->Toolbars and check off 'Google' for it to appear. Thought I would give it a try, hoping it would improve the appearance of IE 7's rather disappointing UI.

FireFox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609921)

IE 7.0 looks a lot like Firefox.
Is IE 7.0 beta 2 the pre-release of Firefox?

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