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SeaMonkey 1.0 Released

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the enjoy-your-aquatic-simians dept.

Mozilla 229

johkir writes "SeaMonkey has been released. Mozilla.org's open source internet suite features a state-of-the-art web browser and powerful email client, as well as a WYSIWYG web page composer and a feature-rich IRC chat client. For web developers, mozilla.org's DOM inspector and JavaScript debugger tools are included as well. It also has a few nifty features, of particular interest: drag&drop reordering of tabs, support for a common inbox for multiple email accounts, SVG, , and phishing detection."

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hIgh sPEED INTERNET ACCESS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609662)

my butthole brings David Boises to the bard,
and your mom is a effin tard
and your mom is a effin tard.

A poet, especially a lyric poet.

For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (2, Interesting)

dghcasp (459766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609664)

What exactly is SeaMonkey? Based on this summary of features, it sounds exactly like Mozilla.

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (4, Informative)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609705)

SeaMonkey is the old Mozilla Suite... Mozilla foundation decided to stick with stand-alone products, but some people missed the old suite and a few of the features and stuff, so the decided to carry it on as this community driven project ;)

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (2, Interesting)

harrkev (623093) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609987)

So, is it Firefox and Thunderbird thrown together in one executable? Or is it something more or less. I guess what I want to know is:

1) Compatability with Thunder/Fire themes and extensions.
2) Does it share the same security holes, or will it have its own ;)
3) Will it be udated as often as Thunder/Fire?

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610084)

It's the old Mozilla suite. It shares code with Firefox/Thunderbird but it isn't just them combined.

1) Any plugins that worked with the old Mozilla suite should work (many plugins worked with both Monolithic Mozilla and Firefox). I doubt Thunderbird ones would, but I haven't tried.
2) It will share Gecko security holes, but not Firefox-UI based ones.
3) Update speed all depends on the developers and their quality standards.

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (5, Informative)

savala (874118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610195)

So, is it Firefox and Thunderbird thrown together in one executable? Or is it something more or less.

It's both more and less. It has a different approach to what such a program should be. Firefox and Thunderbird operate on the principle that it needs to be usable by the proverbial grandmother, and make a lot of sacrifices to get there. Features that are considered "bloat" or confusing are cut rigorously, the user interface gets lots of polishing, and everything that isn't considered essential for basic operation is delegated to the status of extension (which leads to a number of problems [dbaron.org] ). Because of this, Firefox and Thunderbird are supremely usable products, which I'll heartily recommend to any computer novice.

SeaMonkey on the other hand continues the tradition of the Mozilla Suite, which cared less about appearing clunky and confusing, and is far more customizable and ultimately usable for power users, web developers and other geeks. The SeaMonkey people understand that people can have ways to browse which aren't intuitively obvious to grandmothers, but which are ultimately more efficient, and that enabling this is a great good.

As a result SeaMonkey has a number of features that aren't present (by default or at all) in Firefox/Thunderbird, ranging from roaming profiles, to the dom inspector and javascript debugger, to tighter integration between the email program and the browser to far more preferences exposed and easily editable. On the other hand, Firefox has more money behind it, and so has been developing rapidly in some areas, resulting in a large gap in SeaMonkey in an area such as extension management (of course, extensions aren't as necessary for effectively using SeaMonkey, but it's still a big gap).

So, to answer your three questions:

Compatability with Thunder/Fire themes and extensions.

Partly, depending on the specifics of the extension, and the effort its developer went to. I answered this question more fully here [slashdot.org] .

Does it share the same security holes, or will it have its own ;)

It will mostly have the same (as most security problems are in the backend), but a few less in the frontend, as SeaMonkey has tighter review requirements than Firefox does. (I can think of one big security problem in the last year that was related to extension management which was only present in Firefox, not in Mozilla/SeaMonkey.)

Will it be udated as often as Thunder/Fire?

Yes, that is the goal, give or take a few weeks and some point releases. A SeaMonkey 1.1 release should come around the time of Firefox 2.0, and a SeaMonkey 1.5 for whenever Firefox 3.0 happens. (They'll be matches fairly closely in time, as both depend on the same branches and heavily tested stable code.)

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (1)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610309)

IMHO, anything which needs a bunch of extensions before it's fully-featured is not something a grandmother would be interested in. I use SeaMonkey not because I'm some elite ueber-hacker, but because I want a good web browser that works out of the box. I tried Thunderbird and Firefox and was sorely disappointed.

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (2, Insightful)

jesser (77961) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610476)

What missing features or options were you disappointed by?

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610529)

That's right! My grandmother demands that the DOM inspector be installed by default, because she is incapable of installing it herself.

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (2, Informative)

antiMStroll (664213) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610239)

No. I realize it's three whole paragraphs down, but:

"The SeaMonkey project is a community-based project hosted at mozilla.org that emerged around Mozilla's suite codebase when the Mozilla Foundation announced it would discontinue further development of its suite product.

SeaMonkey is not Mozilla... (3, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609709)

It's a cheap packet of cryptobiotic shrimp you can order off the back of any comic book. By the way, they never look as friendly or as big as the pictures. :(

Re:SeaMonkey is not Mozilla... (2, Funny)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610132)

Those are brine shrimp you are thinking of... my fish love 'em as treats, and when they are babies and still have their yolk sack they are very nutritious for raising fry...

Re:SeaMonkey is not Mozilla... (3, Informative)

jacksonj04 (800021) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610362)

Actually, Sea Monkeys are a specific brand of these brine shrimp, designed to be easy to set up and feed and stuff.

http://www.sea-monkeys.com/

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (1)

l33t.g33k (903780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609715)

SeaMonkey is another browser from Mozilla (other than Firefox). It is inspired mostly by the original Mozilla codebase, that was used to produce Mozilla Suite 1.x.

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609776)

Originally it was the codename for the Mozilla suite. Gecko was the codename for the browser component itself. Now that Mozilla is mostly focusing on Firefox, the Mozilla browser (which itself took on Netscape's codename) has been forked to make SeaMonkey.

Are you thoroughly confused yet? Good, that's the idea.

Me? I'm waiting for a release of Chocolate Sex. (Bonus points to those who understand that reference.)

P.S. Don't forget about Chimera!

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609981)

s/Chocolate Sex/Sexual Chocolate/g

Damn, I screwed up that gag. Oh well, here's the reference [mozilla.org] .

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610175)

Mark Henry? He had a match last Sunday.

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609878)

The Mozilla foundation stopped developing the Suite after the 1.8 beta 1 release and switched to Firefox and Thunderbird. A group of developers didn't want to abandon the Suite and improved it independently. In order to make clear that the result is not an official Mozilla.org product (and because Mozilla.org owns the Mozilla trademark), it was renamed to SeaMonkey, which formerly was the internal code name for the Suite. So yes, SeaMonkey is "Mozilla", but with different logos, a different name and a different team of developers. If you stayed with the suite and enviously noticed how Firefox got all the shiny stuff like SVG rendering, instant back button, etc, then SeaMonkey is for you. SeaMonkey has roaming profiles btw...

(Shameless plug: my themes [schellen.net] are already compatible)

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (2, Funny)

thaerin (937575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609909)

What exactly is SeaMonkey?

Is it chicken or is it monkey?

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (1)

astrosmash (3561) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609947)

If you don't already know what SeaMonkey is then it's probably of little interest to you. It's the original Mozilla codebase that has since been replaced by Firefox, Thunderbird, and Nvu.

Its user interface design is largely based off of Netscape Communicator 4 and is only meant for those who are nostalgic for the days of yore.

Re:For those of us who don't follow mozilla.org... (3, Insightful)

mo^ (150717) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610024)

Sorry to troll, but shit, someone had to....

If you don't already know what SeaMonkey is then it's probably of little interest to you


Dang, that sounds elitist. Where is the fun in only learning what we already know and using what we already use???

SeaMonkey - how cute (5, Funny)

fanblade (863089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609669)

SeaMonkey? I bet this thing dies in a matter of days.

Re:SeaMonkey - how cute (-1, Offtopic)

lonb (716586) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609703)

I don't have mod points to give right now, but otherwise I'd give you 5. This is one of the funniest responses I've read on /.

Mod: +1 Funny (0, Offtopic)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609730)

Who the hell modded the parent troll? It's pretty funny :P

wow that was brave (0, Troll)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609748)

You're in trouble. Trollish funny posts are the bane of a concerned citizen. ;)

You're going to get -1 troll and +1 funny, sinking your karma to new depths.
I salute your bravery, sir. (someone salute mine for my offtopic karma burn!)

Re:wow that was brave (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610241)

The grandparent made me laugh my ass off and it's STILL getting modded troll even after it's at +5 funny. Somebody give that guy a +1 interesting.

Somehow I doubt meta-moderation catches these sort of atrocities.

Re:SeaMonkey - how cute (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610052)

If it does, just add water!

Re:SeaMonkey - how cute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610274)

I did that. I followed the ReadMe, which said "Just Add Water." This caused the installer to instantly expand the archive to many times its original size, and then it wiggled around in my hard disk and ate the contents, and died 4 days later.

Re:SeaMonkey - how cute (1)

octaene (171858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610056)

Well, duh! After you download it, you have to put it in water for it to work...

Re:SeaMonkey - how cute (1, Funny)

Bravoc (771258) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610079)

Yea, and I bet it looks nothing like the screen shots that they had in the back of the comic book either.

Re:SeaMonkey - how cute (1)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610391)

I have a sea-monkey that is in a sealed ecosphere that has been alive for 7 years this x-mas (at least, plus whatever he lived before he was shipped to my house).

WYSIWYG (4, Interesting)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609681)

So how does the Sea Monkey web editor compare to Nvu [nvu.com] ? If it's better, that'll really suck having to download a whole suite just for that one component. Why Mozilla Corp/Foundation hasn't released it's own editor still is beyond me...

Re:WYSIWYG (5, Informative)

savala (874118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609790)

So how does the Sea Monkey web editor compare to Nvu? If it's better, that'll really suck having to download a whole suite just for that one component.
It isn't better, as it's the basis on which NVu has been built (missing lots of features, but with the same basics). NVu's main developer has committed to donating back [glazman.org] all the new code to the main Mozilla tree before releasing another version of NVu, and as far as I know, that's currently in the process of happening (although slowly, as it's a lot of code to be reviewed, and not many people capable of doing so).
SeaMonkey 1.5 should contain the results of this work, so basically a WYSIWYG editor nearly identical to current NVu.

Re:WYSIWYG (1)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609883)

Yeah, I knew all of that...but I didn't know if the Sea Monkey guys had tried to improve on the old codebase though...that was my question ;)

And I've heard the same things about Nvu getting incorporated back upstream to Mozilla...but so far there has been no news on it on either front :(

Re:WYSIWYG (2, Informative)

savala (874118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609983)

but I didn't know if the Sea Monkey guys had tried to improve on the old codebase though...that was my question ;)
Ah, ok. In that case, yes, there've undoubtedly been a number of fixes to the editor code since 1.7 (which is what NVu started of with). I'm seeing "+3703/3280) Lines changed" in the /editor directory in the rough timeperiod between the two branches (April 2004 to September 2005) and 56 bugs marked as fixed for the same timeperiod in the editor component. (Not linking, as slashdot referers are blocked.) Of course that code is shared with the email composer and Midas (the rich text editor), but there still should be some improvements.

Re:WYSIWYG (4, Informative)

CTho9305 (264265) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609829)

You don't have to download the whole suite - grab the stub installer (a bit over 200KB), and just the parts you want.

Re:WYSIWYG (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610016)

The server the stub contacts for the rest of it appears to be slashdotted now, so that won't work either ;)

Re:WYSIWYG (3, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609890)

Nvu comes from the Mozilla editor codebase, although I don't know if the two have forked or if they're kept in sync at all. Comparing Nvu with the current Mozilla editor -- Nvu has many more features, some of which (site control, CSS editing) are great, some of which (the different link attributes like "date" and "crush") are stupid and some of which (the "New" command, for heaven's sake) don't work. I still prefer Mozilla for light editing, but Nvu would be better (although probably inadequate) for heavier use.

Anyway, "suite" here is only 12-13 megs -- it's not like installing Office or Open Office.

WYSIWYG Followup: server side scripting? (1)

iamlucky13 (795185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610112)

I maintain my site using VIM, but a WYSIWYG html editor with syntax highlighting of PHP for my initial development efforts would be kind of handy for working on my local machine. Do either of these editors happen to include that feature?

Re:WYSIWYG Followup: server side scripting? (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610380)

I think Nedit can highlight PHP code. If not there are certainly other applications that can. One I know of is KDE based..can't remember the name.

Re:WYSIWYG Followup: server side scripting? (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610512)

Kate [kde.org] is probably what you are thinking of.

Deja vu? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609683)

Browser wars round 2

IE? (2, Interesting)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609687)

Well, IE officially fell behind again. I mean, it sounded like that new beta was competition for Seamonkey/Firefox, but ten minutes after that's out, Mozilla obsoletes it. Was this scheduled?

Re:IE? (1)

ZephyrXero (750822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609783)

In just about every industry, commodity products (open source software in this case) will eventually over power proprietary ones ;)

Am I just confused? (0, Redundant)

Blimey85 (609949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609693)

There was Mozilla and then they made Firefox and Thunderbird (under diff names back then). Eventually they decided to just go with the split programs and abandon the main suite. Now they are doing the suite again? Am I missing something?

I switched to Firefox and Thunderbird and then eventually quit Thunderbird and switched to Outlook (I'm sorry but I like it) and I didn't pay attention to the other stuff Mozilla was doing but my understanding was that the suite was dead. Guess it's back.

The suite is dead.
Long live the suite.

Re:Am I just confused? (2, Informative)

Fritzy (564827) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609744)

The suite never died. It was decided back in early "Phoenix" days to switch priorities, but Firefox and SeaMonkey have still been arm and arm. Most features that make it into Firefox are developed in SeaMonkey. Firefox is simply lighter weight and more aimed at the "grandmother can use this" style UI.

Re:Am I just confused? (4, Informative)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609780)

Its more like this

In the begining there was Mozilla Suite, and it was good. However, a large number of people wanted a standalone browser. Instead of just splitting Mozilla Suite, they made their own browser, Firefox. Despite having an inferior UI, the Mozilla FOundation decided to drop the Suite in favor of Firefox. Some of the users of Mozilla don't particularly like the UI of Firefox, so we revived Mozilla Suite. Unfortunately, Mozilla is a trademark and the Mozilla Foundation does not let them call it Mozilla Suite, so it is now SeaMonkey.

You can tell what side I'm on. I'll be dling the new SeaMonkey tonight.

Re:Am I just confused? (2, Informative)

robson (60067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610049)

Some of the users of Mozilla don't particularly like the UI of Firefox, so we revived Mozilla Suite. Unfortunately, Mozilla is a trademark and the Mozilla Foundation does not let them call it Mozilla Suite, so it is now SeaMonkey.

As one of those users who prefers the Mozilla UI and likes having Composer around on the rare occasions it's needed, I'm glad that the Suite has a new lease on life.

Re:Am I just confused? (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610361)

You won't be disappointed.I've been using the beta and it purrs like a kitten.Fast,rock solid,sweet.And for those that can't understand why we stick with the suite,Try Seamonkey with multizilla http://multizilla.mozdev.org/ [mozdev.org] it lets me run MY browser MY way.Everything is under my control,From the cache and images to proxy and layout it's all set up MY way.Which is why I'll never let go of my suite(Downloading it as I type)

Give it a try and see why many folks say "Long live the suite!".It also plays VERY nice with Firefox,Kmeleon,And Opera,Which is nice if you have family that uses your machine.Each can have their own browser and not muck about with yours!

Re:Am I just confused? (1)

slickwillie (34689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610335)

I reluctantly switched from Mozilla to FF/TB just last week, as it seemed like Mozilla was a dead end. I installed Fedora Core 4 and Mozilla was nowhere to be found on the 4 CDs.

Any opinions on whether I should stick with Thunderbird or go with Evolution? I'm using KDE instead of Gnome.

Re:Am I just confused? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610597)

What's wrong with KMail?

What's new: (2, Funny)

karmaflux (148909) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609696)

Autoscroll! HOORAY!

canvas tags! Boooo!

Drag and drop tabs! Eh.

Also, "Attempting to compose, forward, or reply to a message may result in a non-functional compose window." Sounds handy.

Really, I've just been waiting for autoscroll.

More at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/releases /seamonkey1.0/README.html [mozilla.org]

Re:What's new: (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610091)

Why would you boo canvas? If you don't go to any sites that use it, it will not affect you other than the fact that gecko builds svg on top of the canvas interface.

Drag and drop tags have turned out to be much more useful to me than I thought they would be.

I can't comment on autoscroll as I don't use it (does it even work on Linux?).

Re:What's new: (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610251)

Autoscroll! HOORAY!

Autoscroll? How does it know when you reach the bottom of the page?

canvas tags! Boooo!

wtf are they?

Drag and drop tabs! Eh.

Wake me up when you can attach and detach tabs at will.

Re:What's new: (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610381)

Canvas is a WHATWG (Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group) recommendation for a "resolution-dependent bitmap canvas, which can be used for rendering graphs, game graphics, or other visual images on the fly". In other words, it's some of that web 2.0 stuff. More info here. [whatwg.org]

Autoscroll? Why not click&drag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610261)

When I click and drag the mouse off the page, it already scrolls just about any HTML page - and it has since Netscape 3.X / IE3.X. What does autoscroll do that's better?

Re:What's new: (2, Interesting)

AeroIllini (726211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610456)

canvas tags! Boooo!

What's wrong with <canvas> tags? I think they are a revolutionary idea.

Once they become part of the HTML5 spec (and WHATWG is working on it now), then suddenly web developers will have a way to show those corny Flash movies without needing a plugin. The browser will support dynamic bitmap refresh natively. Eventually, it will support 3D rendering natively too, probably through OpenGL. Imagine playing Doom in a web browser, with no plugins. Or a contractor showing clients around a virtual model of their home before construction begins.

Does it have the potential to be horribly abused? Of course. So does the <script> element, and even the &nbsp; element. And who can forget the abuses of the <embed> and <object> elements?

Does it offer limitless opportunities for a more dynamic website? Yes.

Does it mean the fragmented world of browser+plugins is converging to browser+JavaScript/AJAX? Yes.

Plugin functionality with no plugins--just JavaScript and a <canvas> tag. I like it.

Firefox extensions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609711)

Do Firefox extensions work with SeaMonkey? I hate having a separated e-mail client (Thunderbird), but I'll only switch if I can still use the Firefox extensions.

Re:Firefox extensions? (0, Flamebait)

garbletext (669861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609749)

those bastards don't even work between version of firefox. in other words, no.

Re:Firefox extensions? (4, Informative)

savala (874118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609893)

Do Firefox extensions work with SeaMonkey?
Some do, some don't. It mostly depends on how much effort the extension developer put into his work. A lot of basic extensions should be completely compatible between the two programs, with only needing to use a different installation system, and most of those will indeed have versions for both. A lot of other extensions depend on Firefox specific UI / code, and probably won't (if they even make sense at all in the SeaMonkey/Mozilla world), unless the developer cared, or got lots of requests from people to make the extension compatible. You can browse [mozilla.org] the Mozilla/SeaMonkey extensions at addons to see what's there.

Link on Seamonkey site is bad (4, Informative)

solaufein (576986) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609712)

Link to download Seamonkey 1.0 for win32 leads to a 404.
Link for full download is: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/re leases/1.0/seamonkey-1.0.en-US.win32.installer.exe [mozilla.org]
Link for ftp of releases: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/re leases/1.0/ [mozilla.org]

For those of us not in the know... (1)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609731)

I haven't been paying close attention to developments in the Mozilla world outside Firefox, Thunderbird and the Calendaring application.

Is the "Mozilla Suite" project dead? Is Seamonkey the replacement for the old Mozilla Suite? Will the next version of Netscape be based on Seamonkey 1.0?

For whatever reason, many people in the business world don't know what "Mozilla" means, and may take them a while to recognize the name of "Seamonkey". However, they still recognize the name "Netscape".

I'm shocked to find out that many Managers at web companies still talk about "IE vs. Netscape" in terms of browser compatability. These folks often lump "Firefox" into the column for "Other, less supported browsers". It's not suprising, but that "Other" column now represents somewhere between 10-20% of users.

Re:For those of us not in the know... (5, Informative)

CTho9305 (264265) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609920)

Is the "Mozilla Suite" project dead? Is Seamonkey the replacement for the old Mozilla Suite? Will the next version of Netscape be based on Seamonkey 1.0?

"Mozilla Suite" will only get security updates. No more new development. SeaMonkey is a good replacement for the old suite - it's effectively Mozilla 1.8 (SeaMonkey 1.0 alpha was what would have been Mozilla 1.8 beta 5). If Netscape decides to ship annother "Communicator" (rather than just a browser), they would be wise to use SeaMonkey as a base for it.

That explains a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609734)

I think we all know now what IE7 is based on.

Re:That explains a lot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609832)

No it's not, becouse IE is made out of shit and fail.

Seamonkeys.... (5, Funny)

revery (456516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609766)

I have been a bit leery of anything called "Seamonkeys" ever since I ordered a kit off of the back of my Amazing Spider-Man comic book many years ago. I was quite disappointed when it arrived and the creatures that hatched in my goldfish bowl were not the family of happy trident-bearing mer-creatures pictured in the ad, but a bunch of freaking shrimp.
So go ahead Mozilla, and sell the world on your little state-of-the-art web browser and powerful email client, as well as a WYSIWYG web page composer and a feature-rich IRC chat client. I'm not gonna be sucked in to your little scheme. In the words of our great President Bush, "Fool me once, shame on... you.... The Fooled man can't be fooled again"

Re:Seamonkeys.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609997)

"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee -- that says, fool me once, shame on -- shame on... shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."

Sheesh... I mean if even the president can get it right you should at least put some effort into quoting him correctly.

Re:Seamonkeys.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610398)

Funny, that is exactly what I was thinking when I was playing around with the browser after I downloaded it. What an appropriate name; I was all excited while downloading it, but after trying out for a bit I felt a bit let down... just like with those damn Sea Monkies!

Compilation instructions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14609777)

Anybody know how to build this behemoth?

Yay! (1)

beforewisdom (729725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609872)

Yay! I like my browser, email client and irc app integrted out of the box. I'm happy this is still around.

Now, if people would start making themes for mozilla again. The default and the ones I have found are butt ugly.

Maybe I will learn to make some myself. I wouldn't mind a firefox themse for mozilla or a kde theme ( for current releases ).

Re:Yay! (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609996)

Sigh! The monolithic app where everything runs in the same process is so braindead. Apps don't have to run in the same process space to be tightly integrated. My memories of the Mozilla Suite were a crash in the browser caused me to lose the last half-hour's edits of an email - such a bad architecture.

Re:Yay! (1)

Eric Giguere (42863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610099)

Yeah, it's kind of funny that they went with such an architecture to begin with, it's so un-Unix like.

Eric
Real-life applications for PageRank [memwg.com]

10 years over due but finally here (1)

bensch128 (563853) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609897)

Good lord!
this thing was supposed to be finished like 10 years ago...
Talk about vaporware.

On the other hand, it looks like a REALLY nice combination of technologies....
Can't go wrong with SVG and reorderable tabs...

Cheers,
Ben

drag&drop reordering of tabs.... (0, Flamebait)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609910)

drag&drop reordering of tabs, support for a common inbox for multiple email accounts, SVG, ,

Hmmm, wonder where I've seen (or used these) before...
Any suggestions? Oh wait... wasn't it Opera 7?

Ok, SVG support was added only recently, and Opera doesn't have most of the developer features, but these nifty features are quite lame.

Pssh. You call that life-like? (4, Funny)

fanblade (863089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609948)

Here is the exciting new logo [mozilla.org] for this suite. Oddly, it looks nothing like a real [coqui.net] sea [douglaslain.com] monkey. [zaldiva.com]

Personally, I think it's a cross between a blue bird [altech.ab.ca] and a scorpion stinger [asu.edu] .

Re:Pssh. You call that life-like? (1)

Ninjy (828167) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610242)

It kind of smells like OpenOffice. Somewhat. Yes, I realise this comment is quite pointless, but the blue waves compelled me!

Re:Pssh. You call that life-like? (1)

Trixter (9555) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610559)

That is indeed what a "seamonkey" (brine shrimp) looks like.

The King (0, Offtopic)

dangil (167785) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609961)

I shall name him BANJO...... KIIIIIIIIIIIING of the seamonkeys......

When will lightning strike? (2, Interesting)

baldinoos (951024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609970)

Continuing the old Mozilla suite is fine, but one thing I am missing is a way to integrate my email and calendar. Mozilla "Lightning" was supposed to do this but the page hasn't been updated since January of 2005. Anyone have any clue if this is still on the Mozilla radar?

Re:When will lightning strike? (2, Informative)

petenz (946161) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610153)

Lightning is still being worked on, and progress is happening, as detailed in the calender weblog http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/ [mozillazine.org] . The project page itself is here http://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:Lightning [mozilla.org] . It's good to see progress happening - for those of us using Thunderbird in a work environment I think it's obvious that a Lightning style integrated calender will be an important part of mozilla's mix - those that currently use outlook won't easily switch to Thunderbird due to loss of functionality.

Re:When will lightning strike? (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610186)

It is being worked on. I don't think there are many people on the team, which could explain why it is taking so long. They post status updates on the calander blog: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/ [mozillazine.org]

Re:When will lightning strike? (1)

jcorno (889560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610322)

The front page hasn't been updated, but if you dig a little deeper [mozilla.org] , they claim version 0.1 will be released next month. Unfortunately, they seem to be moving at a crawl, and they don't have any immediate plans to integrate PDA synchronization. I don't think SeaMonkey will be any kind of threat to Microsoft until they can pull it all together.

Re:When will lightning strike? (1)

baldinoos (951024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610437)

Thanks guys, too bad it's moving so slow. I can't stand evolution and I refuse to use Windows. I guess people will have to be surprised when I walk into a meeting whose invitation I didn't reply to for a while longer. I don't think that this will be viewed as an "Enterprise" solution even when everything gets integrated. In my experience, any product that you can't pay someone an exorbitent amount of money to support just isn't worth using according to most management types.

Already uninstalled it (0, Flamebait)

DnemoniX (31461) | more than 8 years ago | (#14609991)

I'm sorry but this was my fault. I use Firefox and really do not pay attention to mozilla.org. Here I thought it was something shiney and new, then I installed it...

Lasted less than 5 minutes. If you like it great, but damn it is ugly by default.

Re:Already uninstalled it (1)

Randle_Revar (229304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610386)

Yeah, the classic netscape theme is ugly. They are considering making Modern (which is pre-installed) the default in the future. IMHO the Modern theme looks better than the default Firefox theme.

Composer (1)

Goondra (855859) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610012)

At least twice over the last year that Mozilla has said it has a web page composer and yet I have never found it. In the current SeaMonkey release there is no component called "Composer". Where is it?

Re:Composer (2, Informative)

savala (874118) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610061)

In the current SeaMonkey release there is no component called "Composer". Where is it?
Assuming an install that includes mailnews, it's the third icon in the bottom left (otherwise the second), also accessible through the menu bar: Window -> Composer, or by hitting ctrl-4, or ctrl-e to edit the current page.

what the (0, Offtopic)

Dashcolon (946284) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610025)

that blue thing doesn't look like a monkey at all!

Seamonkey? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610137)

Captain Murphy:
It's the old Mozilla suite repackaged, Fignuts! God, you're dumber than that forest ranger guy.

Ranger:
Hey, he's talking about me!

Zing of the day

Dear Mozilla (1, Funny)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610143)


In case you missed it, let me clue you in. Suites are dead. People want lean applications with user-selected add-ons. Funky cutesy names are out...they lingered on a bit after the dot com bust (along with e- and i- names) but descriptive branding is the order of the day. "Microsoft Office" "Mozilla Internet Suite" "Apple Music Player". Oops...Jobs is going to kill me for leaking the last one...

What's wrong with Thunderbird? (1)

Beefslaya (832030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610233)

How about a calendar plugin for Thunderbird that works?

No need to go off on a tangent here. Take what you got, and make it better.

I don't need another suite (Bad enough I'm forced to have IE and OE on my windows systems)thank you. Especially not a super version of the old Netscape package.

Ask people what they would like, they will tell you.

Nice effort, but not for me. Lasted 30 seconds on my machine.

This Theme Helps (1)

DirkBalognapantz (609779) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610302)

Good to see work still being done on this, but I had to install something to make it easier on the eyes. Glad I found this theme [markbokil.org] .

READ PREVIOUS POSTS PLEASE (2, Insightful)

wolff000 (447340) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610338)

How many times are people going ask what is SeaMonkey or is it the same as FireFox? If you don't know then go google it for god's sake! The other half of this question is why do people keep answering? If someone is not intelligent enough to read the previous 50 posts that answer this question they shouldn't be on /. Now back to the topic, please excuse my rant. I love that this going to continue being worked on. I like it more than firefox especially the debugging tools. If you are a developr this is a great suite and worth the time checking out!

does (browser + mail = monkey) package help? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14610404)

Does packaging these together make sense?

The two do not need to be used, or built together, right.

That was the point of Phoenix-Firebird-Firefox and Minitour-Thunderbird.

Hmm (0, Offtopic)

Merenth (935752) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610406)

Can you spank a Sea Monkey?

Hehe, thats ironic (3, Funny)

HeliumHigh (773838) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610438)

Right as I clicked on the link, Windows BSOD'ed on me. Hehehe... it must really be good!

Is it compatible with extensions and plugins? (0, Redundant)

antdude (79039) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610478)

Curious. Is it safe to use Seamonkey to replace my Mozilla v1.7.12 in Windows, Mac OS X 102.8, and Linux? Orare there lots of incompatibilities with the current extensions, plugins, etc.?

The flexibility of OSS (2, Insightful)

danielk1982 (868580) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610539)

I think its awesome.

A browser that was dumped in favour of something newer and shiner was picked up by a community willing to put work into it. This is a perfect example of what Open Source is all about. Compare that to software like OS/2 or BeOS, both of which have a following and a community which is willing to back them. Instead they are gathering dust in some proprietary repository.

Live Bookmarks When? (1)

xdc (8753) | more than 8 years ago | (#14610590)

I like the Seamonkey suite, in part because it discreetly bundles the ChatZilla IRC client with a Gecko-based web browser. On my Windows box at work, Seamonkey seems to render web pages faster than Firefox.

However, I am disappointed that there seems to still be no support for "live bookmarks" (RSS feeds in bookmark form). That is the killer feature that made me switch from the Mozilla suite to Firefox. Are there any plans to implement this handy functionality in Seamonkey? If so, when?
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