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PS3 Developer Fired For Comments

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the unfortunate dept.

PlayStation (Games) 131

Next Generation reports on the unfortunate fallout from one PS3 developer's unflattering comments. Early in January, a developer made comments on his feelings regarding the Xbox 360 and its power/design ease vs. the PS3. Thanks to widespread internet reaction, he has been fired from his development position. From the article: "I can't believe how out of control everything got ... It's absolutely absurd how the Internet can take something relatively harmless and turn it into something so insane... Did I knowingly break NDA? I absolutely did not. I would never do that and I would never want to hurt Sony Online. Did I dance in the grey area by even opening my mouth? Yes I did and I was fired for it. So I guess the new rule for me is, don't ever say anything at all about anything. Ever...ever."

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"I work for for "Big Company USA... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14629931)

...and I think our product is a pain to use"

Just what the hell was he expecting would happen? They'd give him a reward for breaking ranks and giving his subjective views about Sony's PS3?

Good luck finding a new job Asshat.

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14629973)

Ironically, at Microsoft, people would expect him to start a (potentially-unsanctioned) group to fix the problem.

This is nothing but messengercide on Sony's part.

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (5, Insightful)

Michalson (638911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630626)

In many ways it seems like Sony is becoming the new Microsoft, just as Microsoft replaced IBM as the Big Bad. With the shift in software distribution (internet making it easy to distribute and collaborate on free and open software like Linux) Microsoft's role of "evil" has become nearly moot, much like IBM's hold fell with open commodity architecture.

At the same time, a new issue has emerged, digital rights, an arena where Sony (a giant corporation representing the MPAA *and* RIAA) is the devil figure (rootkit CDs, locked out storage formats, and the upcoming Blu-ray ultra restrictive DRM).

Much as IBM, for it's own financial convience, became a "good guy" by supporting Linux and open source, Microsoft may make a similar transformation: They split with Sony over Blu-ray because they demanded that the next DVD format allow consumers to use media they had purchased the way they wanted to (i.e. store on a Microsoft powered media center). Microsoft's position of having no interest in content (Sony) or hardware (Apple) makes it to their financial benefit to demand both sides provide a positive experience for consumers (since Microsoft will have Windows something running in the middle).

Even Microsoft's own DRM lends to this: It isn't tied to a single music store or mp3 player, and it isn't fixed in what it controls - companies protecting content can choose how restrictive it should be, resulting in open competition for consumers without fractured standards - if consumers don't like the restrictions placed on them by music store A, they can just go to music store B and get the same music, that will play on the same mp3 player, but with less restrictions. Instead of consumers being held hostage to a set of DRM demands, it's the content sellers that have to compete for the sweet spot between protecting the content and giving the user fare use of what they've purchased.

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (2, Informative)

puppetluva (46903) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631263)

don't count on it. Microsoft doesn't have a history of contributing to the community and I wouldn't hold your breath. . .

Much as IBM, for it's own financial convience, became a "good guy" by supporting Linux and open source, Microsoft may make a similar transformation: They split with Sony over Blu-ray because they demanded that the next DVD format allow consumers to use media they had purchased the way they wanted to (i.e. store on a Microsoft powered media center).

That's weird. . . I thought they split with Blu-ray because Blu-ray uses Java. . . which they compete with (and their customers want. . . but they tried to pollute and the refused to bundle it according contracts they had signed.)

BTW: You are the first person I've heard of to congratulate a DRM vendor on their openness.

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14631598)

if consumers don't like the restrictions placed on them by music store A, they can just go to music store B and get the same music

Newsflash, it's not the music stores putting all the stupid restrictions on you, it's the labels, and as long as you keep getting the same music, it's not going to matter where you get it from, it's still going to be the same.

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (1)

CODiNE (27417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631829)

Even Microsoft's own DRM lends to this: It isn't tied to a single music store or mp3 player, and it isn't fixed in what it controls - companies protecting content can choose how restrictive it should be, resulting in open competition for consumers without fractured standards - if consumers don't like the restrictions placed on them by music store A, they can just go to music store B and get the same music, that will play on the same mp3 player, but with less restrictions.

Now you're falling for the "Microsoft is all about freedom" marketing blitz. Let me define it a little plainer, "Microsoft is all about keeping you running Windows."

Microsoft will let your music be as free as you like as long as they get a cut and you are running the approved OS.

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631821)

Possibly so, but in this case he doesn't appear to know what the problem is. I read his post, then read it again, and it boils down to "Somebody told me the XBOX is better, and I didn't really understand why, but I believed them. PS I work for Sony" or whatever. If he had real, technical meat to his post, I might have more sympathy. But he's just badmouthing his companies product when it's WAY to early to call this one: if it's anything like the PS2 it'll take developers a while to get the most from the hardware. So I don't think he could have formed a group to fix the problem as he doesn't really know if there is a problem or what it is.

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (1)

stankulp (69949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630359)

The guy's middle name must be "Duh."

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (4, Insightful)

XenoRyet (824514) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630600)

He very clearly stated that he does not like, and is not committed to his (formerly) current project. He also clearly stated that he dislikes the platform he's working on, as well as stating that he thinks the competitor's platform is better.

I would have let this guy go even for stating these opinions privatly. He obviously really does not want to work for Sony. This guy didn't get fired, he quit.

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (3, Insightful)

user317 (656027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630692)

I would have let this guy go even for stating these opinions privatly. He obviously really does not want to work for Sony. This guy didn't get fired, he quit.


Great idea.


Step 1. Fire everyone who finds legitemite weakness in your product, partner or customer.


Step 2. ????


Step 3. Profit

Re:"I work for for "Big Company USA... (2, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631158)

Ever hear of naïveté?

Chalk this up to a lesson learned the hard way.

On the other hand, this doesn't leave Sony management covered in glory either.

First, they called a huge amount of attention to a somewhat amateurish screed that would have fallen into the bitbucket otherwise. In this sense the develper was right. They'd be better off if they publicly laughed it off and said, "We're our own toughest critics. Our platform is the best one there is, and we're not standing still."

I think a more sutble point is that it takes all kinds of people, and the kind of people who are good or even great developers don't necessarily hatch out of the egg understanding business. By all means punish -- the burnt hand is the best teacher. But if you go too far making an example of somebody, you may foster a culture in which bad news only travels underground.

does the word OOOPPPSSS come to mind? (3, Insightful)

THEUBERGEEK (891151) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629933)

in any corporate environment we must all learn to keep our mouths shut. i have lost more than one job for having the "wrong opinion, political view, etc".

Re:does the word OOOPPPSSS come to mind? (1)

MrBigInThePants (624986) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630541)

That may be true.

But "I think you wife is a fat slag" is not quiet the same thing as this article....

Re:does the word OOOPPPSSS come to mind? (1)

pornking (121374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631864)

You're right. What he actually said was "I think my wife is a fat slag".

Re:does the word OOOPPPSSS come to mind? (2, Insightful)

sirwired (27582) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631214)

This guy didn't lose his job for having the wrong opinion... he lost his job for being public about it. If I was his employer, I'd fire his ass too. You don't dis the products of your employer in public if you want to stay employed. Certainly if there was some safety issue going on, or outright fraud, then there is nothing wrong with whislteblowing. Most employers won't even fire an employee for complaining about something like working conditions or benefits in a public forum. That isn't the case here. He publicly stated he thought his employer's product was smoke and mirrors. He shouldn't have been surprised that Sony wasn't too happy about it.

I work for a LARGE computer company, and I do post to Slashdot about my company's products if questions do arise. While I never make up good things that aren't true about our products, I do adhere to the maxim "if you can't say anything nice, shut the heck up."

SirWired

Who didn't see that coming? (2, Informative)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629942)

I mean, seriously, the biggest surprise is that it has taken so long.

what's the problem (1)

UVABlows (183953) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629950)

So I guess the new rule for me is, don't ever say anything at all about anything. Ever...ever.

He acts likes it a threat, but I bet no one really cares if he ever talks again.

Re:what's the problem (2, Insightful)

st1d (218383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631217)

Maybe it's just me, but that's the kind of threat my friend's 4 year old son might make. I can't help but agree with you, and to be honest, I wonder if his supposed wonderful new job is actually that great, because if his situation is truly improved, why is he still complaining?

Welcome to the Real World (5, Insightful)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629954)

So I guess the new rule for me is, don't ever say anything at all about anything. Ever...ever.

Seriously, welcome to the Real World. In college, perhaps, you were encouraged to speak your mind and be free like a little birdie. Big difference: you *paid* to go to college. Within limits, you could do what you want. Things are different when you're the one receiving the money. Within limits, you have to do what *they* want.

Or to misapply the meme: In college, you owned a Sony. In Corporate [America|Japan], SONY own YOU!

Re:Welcome to the Real World (0)

acroyear (5882) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630323)

which would mean he learned a different lesson "in college" than i did, 'cause i got fired from an on-campus job when i "statee my heartfelt and sincere opinion, backed up with factual evidence" (translation: opened my big mouth) to the wrong person...

Re:Welcome to the Real World (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630583)

But they didn't kick you out of school right?

So the case where you were receiving money was terminated, but not where you were paying the money.

So the OP's point still stands


Re:Welcome to the Real World (1)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630823)

Jesus, if he wanted to say stuff like that about HIS COMPANY, he had an option: STAY ANONYMOUS.

Re:Welcome to the Real World (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14631116)

Wasn't Bush trying to make speaking out anonymously illegal?

Re:Welcome to the Real World (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630827)

This is true, but it also depends on the envirnment. In Corporate America, yea. Shut up, put your head down and get to work. In the Small Business Market, this is a different story.

I started working for a startup WISP, and was on the front-lines designing, engineering, building, and installing the network. Being in that position, I knew a HELL of LOT MORE than the owner about what was and wasn't going to work. It also helped that my co-worker saw eye to eye on the wireless network implementation, but the point needed to be made that Management DIDN'T know what was best. We made this terribly aware to them as often as possible, with suprisingly little repurcusions, looking back on it now.

Point is, it depends on the environment. And in this guys case, the environment was big. You take a household namebrand like Sony, who is highly visible (on all fronts as of late; see rootkit), and throw out an opinion for all to read out of the NET expecting no repurcussion? Its almost laughable ...

If he really felt such a need to express these opinions, why didn't he express them to his superiors, and those up the ladder? Or is this public expression supposed to lead us to precisely ask this question?

Re:Welcome to the Real World (1)

biraneto2 (910162) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631001)

You are taking the company is evil stuff to seriously. When you work at a company you ARE the company. The company is the hand that feeds you... and you shouldn't bite it. Better company profits means more chance of you getting a raise or even a profit bonus. If you think their products sucks (or that they are evil) you shouldn't be working for it at first place.

Re:Welcome to the Real World (1)

bheer (633842) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631272)

Microsoft developers state their opinions of MS products all the time. It's not always very flattering either [25hoursaday.com] . IMO Sony is being a prick about this.

He's surprised about this? (4, Funny)

qbwiz (87077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629957)

Who would have expected that an employee of a company who goes out of his way to publicly badmouth his company's products would be fired? I was expecting Sony to give him a bonus for all the extra sales he's going to bring in.

I'm guessing this is what got him fired (5, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629964)

Now in my opinion it doesn't matter how good the PS3 is. If the XBOX 360 is better, then it doesn't really matter how the cell processors work or how good they say it is. Realistically one of them will be better over all. Now I've spoken with people who are on the technical side of the PS3. I've also talked with people on the technical side of the XBOX 360. The consistent comment I am hearing from people on my end is, "The XBOX 360 is better". They are saying that it is capable of just doing more. (shrugs) Now take that for what its worth. If you watch all the videos on the PS3 they will say how much more powerful it is than the XBOX and vice versa. Im just telling you what I am hearing. They proceeded to go into a lot of technical info that I don't understand. So I just nod.
Then he hits us with this firing worthy blurb
The game that we are creating for a launch title is a "just get it out" title in my opinion. It doesn't look next generation. I don't see how anyone could debate otherwise. It looks good. But it looks good for a game that has come out in the last couple years or so. I mean we are talking about a box that will be with us for the next 5+ years! In 5 years will the games we are making today look good? The only way for that to be possible is if the new games coming out for the PS3 are drastically improved. So good that they can stand the test of time until the next system comes out. We've all seen Gears of War for the xbox 360. If that even looks half as good when it comes out then I'll be floored! The game we are making isn't even in the same league as Gears of War. In fact there are many current games out that look just as good and are using the exact same specs. So, on our end we are either not pushing the bar or were just trying to "get a title out". To be fair, this is a business. Sometimes you have to treat it as a business and not make the best title you can.
He's trashing the game he's working on. What boss would put up with that?

Re:I'm guessing this is what got him fired (2, Informative)

LimpGuppy (161354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630017)

If that bozo couldn't guess that what he said violated an NDA then he's a 'tard that deserves to be fired. I mean, that's just basic common sense there.

Re:I'm guessing this is what got him fired (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630447)

They proceeded to go into a lot of technical info that I don't understand.

Hmmmm... somehow his X360 > PS3 claims don't hold much water...

Re:I'm guessing this is what got him fired (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630643)

Could have just been nonsensical marketing-speak.

Do he know many people from Microsoft? (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631162)

"I've also talked with people on the technical side of the XBOX 360."

That comment sparked a big question in my head right away. Do this guy have much contacts in Microsoft and if so, why? I would assume its not that smart talking to the opposite side about your own products capabilities and release dates and other sensetive information. My tinfoil is getting worn out but somehow i get the fealing something is wrong with this picture. I have a hard time imaging an engineer who have put enormous amounts of time into a project would deem a competitors product as much better, especially one thats a whole year older. I really wonder just where he got his better position and job offer.

Re:Do he know many people from Microsoft? (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14632797)

Conferences, classes, conventions, etc. He could even simply have personal friends who went to work for someone else. It's not that unusual for employees of competitors to talk to each other. Unless he actually revealed proprietary information, there wouldn't even be anything wrong with applying for a job at a competitor while still employed.

More to the point (1)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631172)

Would you buy a game knowing that its own developer doesn't believe in ?

Re:More to the point (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14631213)

Uh, dummy, the guy isn't a 'developer'. He's nothing more than an artist.

No one cares what artists have to say. Not even other artists...

Re:I'm guessing this is what got him fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14631880)

The game that we are creating for a launch title is a "just get it out" title in my opinion. It doesn't look next generation. I don't see how anyone could debate otherwise. It looks good. But it looks good for a game that has come out in the last couple years or so.

Isn't this exactly what everyone has said about (most of) the current XBox 360's games?

Re:I'm guessing this is what got him fired (1)

aeoo (568706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14633016)

He's trashing the game he's working on. What boss would put up with that?

The kind of boss that is open to negative opinions -- a rare, but very powerful beast.

ZOMG FIRST (0)

Dragon of the Pants (913545) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629972)

Wow. I wonder if Google will hire him.

Re:ZOMG FIRST (2, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630421)

Wow. I wonder if Google will hire him.

Obviously you didn't hear about the former Microsoft manager who accidently let a little too much info slip on his blog.

Google is the LAST place that would hire this guy. The reason why we never know what they're doing is because Google employees don't talk about Google. Period.

Re:ZOMG FIRST (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630795)

So, the first rule of Google is..... you don't talk about Google?

Re:ZOMG FIRST (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630812)

The thing about working somewhere like Google is that there's usually someone smarter on campus. If you wanna bitch about something, or if you need help, there's probably a guy with a PhD to talk to 2 desks over.

This guy has no-one to bitch to about his job, and needed the release.

Here's a link to his blog (5, Informative)

giblfiz (125533) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629979)

Though as it points out in the article, he took the post that got him fired down, and will never be putting it back up.

To avoid /.ing him harder (he has allready been dugg) I'm going to link to a google cache ...

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:jgeFRxdfvuIJ: weblogs.asp.net/josh.robinson/+josh+robinson&hl=en &lr=&strip=1 [google.com]

Re:Here's a link to his blog (-1, Redundant)

SoulRider (148285) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630924)

OMG, after reading his blog I see this as nothing more than a good old fashioned MS astroturfing. This guy is obviously an MS fanboy. So its like OMG, an MS fanboy dissing a non MS product (dial 911, monkeys are flying out my butt), I sure hope he did it for more than a free XBox.

Great Rule (3, Funny)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629984)

So I guess the new rule for me is, don't ever say anything at all about anything. Ever...ever.

I found this rule to work best at home and at work. The less you talk, the less trouble you get yourself into.

Tough issue, this... (5, Insightful)

ursabear (818651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14629994)

Here in North Carolina, we work in a "work at will" state. This means that you can quit or be fired without ANY reason, other than reasons covered by discrimination precedence.

It is a tragedy to lose one's job, no doubt. I would wish joblessness on no-one. However, one must always converse about one's product in a very careful way - always think of oneself as a public representative of the company. It is generally best to preserve the interests of one's company. Comments made on the internet are nearly intractable, and will generally find their way to unexpected places.

Re:Tough issue, this... (1)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630040)

Well I do think publically badmouthing your company is grounds to be fired for. Whether or not it is "at will" The guy is a moron, and he did something a 16 year old is smart enough not to do.

Re:Tough issue, this... (1)

C0rinthian (770164) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630437)

'At Will' is a two-way thing. Either the employee or the employer have the right to terminate employment at any time, for any reason.

The employer doesn't need a reason to fire him. They can simply say "We no longer require your services" and show him the door and there's nothing he can do about it.

Re:Tough issue, this... (1)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630655)

We have that here too... of course I had one idiot boss who interpreted that as: "I can tell you to leave at anytime but you have to give me atleast 2 months notice" "have to" as in expected to but what was he gonna do about it type of thing of course he is also a guy that would go around saying he wants to fire half of his employees (when in reality he should have been beaten with a sack of doorknobs to get the stupid out)

Re:Tough issue, this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630811)

except go on a mad rampage with a shotgun.
This isn't an entirely flippant comment, people really do that - when you treat people's short term livelihood (and hence their ability to feed/clothe themselves/their family) as worthless in relation to a business' long-term profitability you can't be suprised when it tips some of them over the edge.
Usually a employee needs their employer more than an employer needs their employee - in that case the balance in hiring/firing should be weighted towards the employee, to even the natural imbalance of the employee/employer relationship.

Ok, those with families are maybe less likely to do the mad rampage shotgun thing, but single people who now no longer have a house or job or anything to lose will - it's simple statistics that a certain percentage (probably 0.0001% or less) of people in that situation will do so. The solution is to reduce the number of people in that situation - making it harder for employers (and landlords) to just chuck people out on their ear with nothing is a good way to start doing that.

Re:Tough issue, this... (4, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630205)

It is a tragedy to lose one's job, no doubt.

Not in this case. I think the correct word for costing your company more money and good will then you're worth, resulting in a firing, is "example".

Losing your job because your office building burned down and your employer doesn't want to rebuild is tragic. Losing your job because you don't have the common sense God gives a dog is just plain stupid and not really something worth pitying.

What's worse is that he doesn't sound like he learned a single thing from the episode.

Re:Tough issue, this... (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631161)

Losing your job because you don't have the common sense God gives a dog is just plain stupid and not really something worth pitying.

Interesting analogy. I guess that means that we're all dogs to our herd/clan/mob bosses?

Re:Tough issue, this... (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 8 years ago | (#14632848)

I guess that means that we're all dogs to our herd/clan/mob bosses?

First, don't work too hard to build a local idiom into a full-blown analogy. Second, yeah, pretty much.

Any man who believes that freedom of speech places no responsibility on the speaker should try telling their wife or girlfriend that she has a fat butt. Before you do, though, remember that the jury probably won't convict her, regardless of whether you're expected to make a full recovery.

Re:Tough issue, this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630628)

He didn't really regret being fired. He claims that he would have left anyway, that the supposedly better job, title, and home that he know has would have been offered anyway, and that he was supposedly not being exposed to new people and ideas at Sony.

I really think he was flapping his gums because he didn't care about the consquences. That's one guy Sony had to get rid of right away, for more than one good reason.

Re:Tough issue, this... (1)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631379)

I love how they phrase this... "work at will" or in other states "right to work" - as if the law was intended to help workers... I guess they figured the name "fire at will" is better reserved for their laws on gun policy.

Re:Tough issue, this... (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631759)

Oh yes, the former confederacy, where because they industrialized late, the robber barons (spiritual successors to the plantation owners) were able to write labor law to favor themselves.

It's not "Right to Work" it's "Right to fire" or "Keep them yankee unions out"

Yah, I read his post, and... (4, Insightful)

Concern (819622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630020)

I've worked in the industry. Yeah, you would definitely get fired for that. No question.

There isn't really that much of a "gray area." They give you an NDA that basically just says "SHUT THE FUCK UP." And usually when they give it to you, they narrate that bit for you too. You really aren't supposed to talk about anything to do with the job, ever, ever.

There are few things in the business more secrecy intensive than a platform launch like this.

The guy is a big idiot for thinking he could write this and keep his job, without doing a damn good job of remaining anonymous. For that matter, he's just kind of uninformed; this is a 3D artist who obviously doesn't understand much about the hardware or the engines or the development cycle of either, in general....

OK, you got your 15 seconds of fame. Bye.

Re:Yah, I read his post, and... (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630196)

For that matter, he's just kind of uninformed; this is a 3D artist who obviously doesn't understand much about the hardware or the engines or the development cycle of either, in general....

Heh heh, the post right below yours links to an interview the guy did.

How do you respond to critics around the web who say that, as a 3D artist, you're not qualified to make a technical judgment about the PS3 development?

You know the internet/forums and blogs are a strange place. If I went online right now and said the sky was blue, 100 people would probably tell me to STFU noob or argue with me and tell me I'm not a weather man. In which case I should STFU anyway.
Heh, Slashdot makes me laugh.

Re:Yah, I read his post, and... (2, Insightful)

Concern (819622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630305)

Heh. The guy is funny. But notice, I said "this is a 3D artist who obviously doesn't understand...

In other words, I don't think all 3D artists would be unqualified to comment, as this question seems to imply. Just this particular 3D artist. It's more likely you'd get some more informed commentary from a developer or a hardware engineer, and the fact that he's not already should color your expectations a little from the outset, but... let me put it this way:

I've worked with a lot of 3D artists, and it's a tough goddamn job, a really unique blend of skills go into doing it well... some of these guys were totally capable of doing software development, understood most of it already just from being around it, but just enjoyed making art more. Hey, perhaps I would too, if I had their skill...

For that matter I've known a lot of artists even outside 3D who also brought really strong engineering aptitude but just didn't enjoy doing that part of the job. Understanding both sides made them invaluable to work with.

Re:Yah, I read his post, and... (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631546)

I work in the industry, and plan on doing so for the rest of my life.

But I do still love games. It's not a job, it's a passion. It's also a tough dichotomy. The people most likely to hold strong opinions are the ones most likely to work in the industry. And the industry is small enough that chances are you will have worked with someone or will work with someone at some point.

For example, I own a DS, but don't own a PSP. I love the industry enough that I want the PSP to do well, so I will talk about its shortcomings and where I think it can improve. But I also work with Sony... daily. Well, frequently anyway. If I post here that I think that Nintendo's focus on new play experiences with the DS has paid off, and that the PSP needs to branch out to more experimental projects, could that upset relations with Sony? In legal theory no, because I haven't violated any NDA's. But everyone fears that the real answer is yes.

This guy grossly violated his NDA. He clearly talked about the size of teams, the number of dev kits in the US (which even most industry people don't know), durations, etc. But that doesn't change the perception is he was fired for saying that something sucks. And we all have strong opinions, and sometimes something does suck.

And he was expressing a phenomenon that people have been expecting and experiencing: diminishing returns. Each new generation of system is less and less deficient overall, and so the experiential delta between subsequent systems becomes smaller and smaller. That's just a fact of developing technologies, and I blogged about it in 2003 [chriscanfield.net] . Now with the Xbox 360's launch lineup generally accepted as good but not particularly mind blowing, could that article come back to haunt me? Could that last sentence?

It is a fine line that a lot of people walk. Your job is your life, your passion. Nobody gets paid enough to put up with this shit if they didn't love it. But with that comes the fear that you can't critique anything or else you're out of the club.

He does'nt seem to upset about it. (2, Interesting)

giblfiz (125533) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630047)

Here's an interview with him about the whole thing:
http://www.ps3week.com/blogs/ps3week.php?title=tit le_6&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 [ps3week.com]


So I'm very fortunate to have all the opportunities I've had. I had four or five job offers the same week I was let go. Ultimately I'll be making even more money, I'll have a better title at the end of my name and I'll be very near the beach. So it's a bit hard to complain I suppose.


And yes, I'm karmawhoring.

Re:He does'nt seem to upset about it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630224)

Is it me or does this guy sound like the average dotcom asshole? What company would hire a guy who like to publically rip his own company's products? Wow, you get more money and a better title, you are still and ass.

If I were him (3, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630067)

I'd try to land a dual career at Apple and Thinksecret

seems right up his alley

Re:If I were him (1)

networkBoy (774728) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630419)

Oh I wish I had mod points that is so funny.
-nB

Launch titles (1)

Mursk (928595) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630092)

This guy mentions (or at least implies) that his company's title doesn't take full advantage of the PS3 capabilities. My question is, how many launch titles do?

Note that I am not asking this rhetorically, just speaking from my own experience. I am only familiar with one console's launch titles (PS2), and I don't remember them being that spectacular. Take Dark Cloud (I think the first PS2 game I played): sure it was better than PSX graphics, but later titles for the system were much better (even DC2 looked better, and I hear Kingdom Hearts II is amazing).

The fired guy did have a good point about the fact that the PS3 seems somewhat nonexistant. I would consider myself a Sony fan (own bothPSX and PS2), but from everything I hear, it's sounding less and less likely that I'll be getting a PS3. Revolution it is, I guess...

Re:Launch titles (1)

RoadDoggFL (876257) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630482)

Well DOA 3 and Soul Calibur both looked damn good even compared to games released late in their respective consoles' lives (however short-lived they may have been).

Don't say anything, ever? (5, Funny)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630111)

Not really. Just assume that what you type, wearing your pyjamas in your bedroom at 2:16 am after you've smoked a spliff and drunk some whisky is going straight to your boss/parents/partner.

what's with the "dumb person got fired" news?? (4, Funny)

corbettw (214229) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630142)

First that law student who was shocked, shocked!, that an IP firm would not want a lawyer on staff who is against IP (and who advocates breaking the law when you don't agree with it). Now we have a developer who's flabbergasted, flabbergasted!, that an employer would fire an employee for publicly dissing its product.

Next up: a real estate agent is amazed, amazed!, when he loses a client after telling potential buyers "This is house is OK, but I wouldn't want to live here."

Re:what's with the "dumb person got fired" news?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630360)

you'd get 6 billion mod points if i could give them to you.

a-freaking-men.

Re:what's with the "dumb person got fired" news?? (1, Offtopic)

Antarius (542615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631763)

I've got a submission to this category:
When I was working at a supermarket while schooling, I got sick of the job and started mentioning the potential for faeces to be smeared all over the necrotic decomposing flesh that customers were buying...

And thanks to Australia's "unfair dismissal" laws that were in effect at the time, I got to do it twice more before they could get rid of me.


I like to think that I saved a cow or two during that week. (If only because the graphicness of my comments would have spoiled their appetite)


My next goal, to infiltrate KFC and publicise their animal [peta.org] rights [kentuckyfriedcruelty.com] http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/ukinvest.asp [slashdot.org] > violations to customers, as well as point out to the kiddy's that their kids meal (featuring a happy, colourful chicken character called "Chicky") is containing their favourite friend Chicky.

Of course, when I get fired by KFC for it, I expect a front page article on Slashdot. (My final punishment to KFC! Slashdot the bastards! [kfc.com] )

Re:what's with the "dumb person got fired" news?? (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14632180)

Man, you're making me hungry AND making me decide between chicken or beef. Aw hell, I'll just eat both. Chicken & beef fajitas, here I come!

Re:Civ IV (1)

Forbman (794277) | more than 8 years ago | (#14632381)

White, commercial cornish cross chickens are grown in big buildings. They live in/on their shit for 6-8 weeks. Doesn't matter if the chicken is going to KFC or to your grocery store. Fundamentally not very different at all. Unless you *KNOW* where the chicken you eat is coming from, despite whatever advertisements are on the packaging, you should assume that all of it, even that high-priced "free range" organic chicken is raised the same way.

At their designated day to meat their destiny, they're loaded up on the floor into a conveyer beltish device, and stuffed 6-8 at a time into a rack of cages. The cages are loaded onto a semitruck trailer.

Depending on the weather, some will die on the way to the plant (either too cold or too hot). Some will have broken legs (some of the chickens I caught had pretty soft bones), broken wings, bruises, etc. They're not treated all that gently.

When I caught chickens ('84-'87), you walked in, grabbed 3 birds (held them each by one leg) in each hand, and walked them up to the truck, where the loaders stuffed them into the cages on the truck. Sometimes the birds pissed you off (chicken wings flapping against your radius/ulna kind of hurts. have someone do it to you with a broomstick if you're a doubter), so you did some "inhumane" things to them. Yeah, I worked with a few bastards who did things like "hey, watch me step on this chicken's head. Isn't that funny?". Fuck that, at the very least, why are you taking the time to do that sick shit when there's 30,000 more birds to pack out?

Once at the plant, they're manually unloaded from the cages and hung onto the shackles of the processing machine. Part of that process sprays them off with water before dipping them into a tank of water with AC current in it to stun them, then their necks are cut by the machine (but the heads stay on, as they flap around much less than if their spinal cord is severed). For the smart ones that keep their necks out of the water and miss the knife, someone is there to cut it for them.

Next, they're dipped into hot bleachy water, and then they go into a drum plucker. The entrails are removed, the gizzard, heart and liver separated, and their shanks are removed. From there they either get cut into pieces, wrapped whole, or whatever else is deemed appropriate. Mechanical separator? Maybe...mmm chicken nuggets.

Sorry, I can't fault KFC anymore than I can fault Popeye's, Chick-Fil-A, McDonald's, Wendy's, or anyone else that sells chicken meat product. While KFC might contract with Perdue, Foster's, or whomever to get X tons of chicken meat a month, it's the GROWER and PROCESSOR who is responsible, not KFC.

But in an industry that goes through millions of animals a month, at a high rate, and is itself pretty hard on its employees, well...some bad things are going to happen.

Which is worse, Perdue locking all the emergency doors in its processing plants, prohibiting line workers from taking breaks (to the point where they just pee their pants), etc. (NC Perdue plant that caught on fire, where emergency exits were locked and several workers were killed because they couldn't get out...) or the occaisional chicken where someone gets all medieval on for some sick pleasure?

The subconscious mind. (4, Interesting)

Song for the Deaf (608030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630148)

This has happened to me several times...where I've deleted a relationship, business or otherwise, by being brutally honest about it. The truth is that I always, deep down, wanted the relationship/job to end because I couldn't stand my internal bullshit meter going off every three seconds. Of course the opposite is also true, anything I truly want to be a part of will be afforded all maner of clemency.

Maybe this guy just knew that coming up with games for this thing was going to be an ordeal and his subconscious pre-empted him.

Then again, maybe this guy got fired because he is simply a classic dumbass.

Either way, you're now free to go make those soon-to-be-classic-Xbox-360-games now, former Sony developer guy.

Re:The subconscious mind. (4, Funny)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630517)

This has happened to me several times...where I've deleted a relationship...

Are you talking about people or databases?

;-)

Re:The subconscious mind. (1)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631062)

What...is...the...differ...ence?

-Jo5hua

Re:The subconscious mind. (1)

fbg111 (529550) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631516)

It's slashdot, what do you think he meant? ;)

that was the very last thing I will say...ever (3, Funny)

z0idberg (888892) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630269)

no..wait...that was the last thing I will ever say.

no..wait..that was.

dammit.

I will never, ever say anything about anything ever. starting from.....now

Is he maybe a MS spy? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630328)

Sent to cause FUD from the inside? ;)

Re:Is he maybe a MS spy? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630843)

Actually that was my first impression, I am having a hard time believing that someone would say something that stupid without a payday attached. Basically this guy who is contracted to make demo reels for Sony marketing is saying that Sony is lying and the PS3 is vaporware. I dont know if he is pissed because he found out he is not getting a free PS3 out of the deal or if he is really that blazingly stupid.

Hi! I am an idiot! Fire me! (-1)

Shihar (153932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630531)

This guy was an idiot, pure and simple. This guy make the person working for the IP company and told the media that she breaks laws she doesn't like look like a frigging rocket scientist.

Let me just sum up his post:
1) Our product is going to suck.
2) The console we are going to put our product on is going to suck.

Yup. That will get you fired. Not only did he whip his dick out and piss on the NDA, but he then went ahead and bad mouthed his product AND a business partner. If that won't get you fired, I have no idea what the hells else will. Short of rampaging through the office with a hammer destroying everything you can, I don't think you could do anything else more stupid.

This guy is an idiot. The only scary thing about this whole situation is that some company was unable to see what a moron this guy was and hired him in the first place.

I take a different lesson from this (2, Interesting)

aminorex (141494) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630540)

Specifically, don't *ever* work for Sony.

What an complete idiot. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630587)

Making comments that could potentially steal food out of your own mouth, and the mouths of your colleagues, is just stupid. He even admits to "dancing in the grey area." He fully deserved what he got.

I absolutely doubt this had anything to do with Sony being a big old baddy and this guy was just an innocent blabbermouth surrounded by fools on the internet blowing things out of proportion. To cite myself as an example, I work at a non-profit organization. We receive donations, grants, and contracts based on our ability to show that we have a positive influence on the community we serve. If I were to publicize that a competing local non-profit was more efficient, maybe had a better client record, or in any other way deserved funding more than my org does, I would fully expect to be reprimanded (if not simply fired outright) for my comments - and I'm not under any kind of NDA that governs such behavior. It would just be a case of my employer protecting their ability to continue operations unhindered.

He underscores his claim that he did not knowingly break NDA. Well, depending on the NDA he signed, that's irrelevant. Speaking to the detriment of your own work is certainly never wise, but it is especially foolish when you are bound by an NDA.

And yes, I've read the article. You should too, to see what I'm talking about. Full text cache follows (no longer cached at any of the major sites):
I've spent some time the past year developing for the PS3. Actually it was a cinematic demo to be shown at e3 in 2005 at a closed door viewing. I was one of the few artists selected to work on it for the demo. My job was primarily asset creation. I was creating assets to populate the path where our camera would be flying during the demo. The company I work for is also working on a launch title that I am quite familiar with. In short, I've spent some time around the PS3 and or the teams developing for it.
 
I've really had to sit here and think for a long time about what my first comment about the PS3 would be. Will I say, its GREAT or will I give it two thumbs down. Well my immediate impression of the PS3 is...where is it? Seriously, where is it? They have a case, a controller and a dev kit. But the system still doesn't even exist. So what is there to say? We received one of 5 PS3 dev kits in the United States some time ago. Several companies in the US as well as companies over seas were given the daunting task of creating a demo in less than 9 weeks on a first generation dev kit. Now I'll be honest with you. What most companies do is fake the entire demo. I mean they come up with some great visuals and neat tricks and scripted events. In the end however, its not a real time demo and its not running ON the actual box. We were the only company to my knowledge that showed something that ran it live on the box. Even then it was a scripted event. You could not pause the camera and fly around the scene. So if you saw the demo once, you saw it again the exact same way the second time. Also this was on a brutally early dev box. You could always tell where the PS3 dev box was because it's the room that had the f-bomb coming out of it half the day.
 
Lots of time has passed since that demo and the dev box has gone from a totally jimmy rigged computer and box of parts about the size of a small child, to a much more realistic size. Although its still the size of a normal pc. I have been pretty excited about the whole cell processing thing. I am not a very technical person but my understanding of it was pretty clear. (Multiple processors to handle individual events in parallel). Sounds pretty good to me! To hear people talk, you'd thing that a processor revolution was about to happen. So I've been pretty excited to say the least. Now in my opinion it doesn't matter how good the PS3 is. If the XBOX 360 is better, then it doesn't really matter how the cell processors work or how good they say it is. Realistically one of them will be better over all. Now I've spoken with people who are on the technical side of the PS3. I've also talked with people on the technical side of the XBOX 360. The consistent comment I am hearing from people on my end is, "The XBOX 360 is better". They are saying that it is capable of just doing more. (shrugs) Now take that for what its worth. If you watch all the videos on the PS3 they will say how much more powerful it is than the XBOX and vice versa. Im just telling you what I am hearing. They proceeded to go into a lot of technical info that I don't understand. So I just nod.
 
The game that we are creating for a launch title is a "just get it out" title in my opinion. It doesn't look next generation. I don't see how anyone could debate otherwise. It looks good. But it looks good for a game that has come out in the last couple years or so. I mean we are talking about a box that will be with us for the next 5+ years! In 5 years will the games we are making today look good? The only way for that to be possible is if the new games coming out for the PS3 are drastically improved. So good that they can stand the test of time until the next system comes out. We've all seen Gears of War for the xbox 360. If that even looks half as good when it comes out then I'll be floored! The game we are making isn't even in the same league as Gears of War. In fact there are many current games out that look just as good and are using the exact same specs. So, on our end we are either not pushing the bar or were just trying to "get a title out". To be fair, this is a business. Sometimes you have to treat it as a business and not make the best title you can. The best title you can make usually costs 20-40million dollars/3 start overs and 4 years of your life. You just cant do that every time out. Its impossible. Our game just keeps getting moved back....and back.....and back.....and back. Again, where is the box? Where is the final system? When is it coming out? No one knows and in the mean time people in the industry are starting to get just a little salty. I mean I was at e3 2005 and PS3 was almost no where to be seen.
 
In closing, I started of VERY excited about the PS3. I was very confident that it was going to just destroy the XBOX 360 just on the name SONY alone. The more time that goes by the more I am becoming doubtful. Everything I've developed or seen developed has yet to be "next gen". The poly counts are not really any higher, im not seeing sub surface scattering, im not seeing much HDR lighting. (or they are faking it and not really doing it), I'm not seeing next gen fluid dynamics or object dynamics. I suspect that you'll be able to have more dynamic objects in a scene than before. But im not seeing games doing this yet. We dont have a controller, there is no network code and there is no box. Its still the size of a normal PC. Oh well, at least they have normal maps. Although I'm over the normal maps fad ok everyone!
 
I'm confident that the PS3 will have a few "crazy" games that show it off to its potential. But I would expect the full capabilities of the box to not show up until the system has been released PUBLICALLY for over a year. This is the extra time the developers will need with a FINAL system to truly make next gen games.
 
Josh Robinson

loyalty and lack of judgement (2, Insightful)

moochfish (822730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630663)

the guy was fired for: a) showing a horrible lack of judgement in deciding to post all that in a public location b) disloyalty toward not only his NDA, but his company's product. his comments are hardly flattering toward something his own team is developing. Work as a pastry chef assistant and go tell potential customers about how much the pastries there suck. work as an editor and write a piece about how bad your paper's reporters are. this isn't news. you'd be fired for this in any other mass-market industry.

Two problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630695)

1: He basically slammed the crap out of the product he was working on. It's awful hard to convince the boss you're doing your best on a product you publicly scorn.
2: It doesn't take a large brain or advanced training to realize that airing such a view publicly, WHERE YOUR BOSS CAN SEE, is a bad career decision.
3: With the amazing number of freaks of nature out there looking for any ammunition at all to slam the 360/PS3/Revolution, you can bet calling yourself a developer, and then slamming the system you work on is going to get a lot of play in message boards, and thus the mainstream at some point.
4: Developer my patootie, he's an artist. Big difference.

Double standards: or, how Slashdot sold out (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630729)

Whenever there's a story on governments oppressing free speech, Slashdot is filled with libertarians screaming about the 1st amendment and how glad they are to live in a country where you have a constitutional right to say whatever's on your mind.

Whenever there's a story on corporations oppressing free speech, Slashdot is filled with corporate cocksuckers sneering about how people are stupid to dream of saying anything bad about their beloved $CORPORATION.

Hypocrisy, anyone?

Re:Double standards: or, how Slashdot sold out (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630798)

There is a huge gigantic difference between a private entity restricting speech and a government entity restricting speech. Stupidity anyone?

Re:Double standards: or, how Slashdot sold out (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631180)

How is two sets of people having two different opinions on some topics hypocrisy? Need a dictionary maybe?

Re:Double standards: or, how Slashdot sold out (1)

fair_n_hite_451 (712393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631310)

Look around. Most of the comments here aren't "Sony was right", they're "He was an idiot not to expect Sony to react exactly this way".
 
No double standard here.

Re:Double standards: or, how Slashdot sold out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14631324)

Did you even read the comments? It is pretty much in agreement that this guy was just a dumbass... but then again, no matter what the situation, Slashdot is filled with people who can't be bothered to spend the time to know what they are commenting about and let everyone know about it.

Well done.

Re:Double standards: or, how Slashdot sold out (1)

st1d (218383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631479)

Not really, because when you narrow it down, the comments aren't so much about his being fired, but that he was so surprised, astonished, etc. The guy complains about his employer in a worldwide forum, and expects nothing to come from it? It would be more surprising if Sony did nothing about it.

As for the government angle, all Sony did was fire him. They didn't take away his ability to continue to trash the company, nor did they execute him for doing so. Slight difference. :)

If you were his employers, perhaps you could have found a way to deal with this better? Sure, you could chat with him, but quotes from the various interviews seem to indicate he had no interest in working things out. In fact, we haven't heard anything from Sony on the matter (which we likely never will, because discussing former employee situations is generally verbotin, from a legal standpoint), so assuming Sony is just "the evil employer" is just a little biased as well.

Who knows, perhaps his manager(s) tried to reconcile the situation with him, and he gave them an attitude. Perhaps they asked him for input on how they could improve, and he refused. Perhaps it's just a matter of him not getting the review/salary increase he thought he deserved, or passed over for a promotion, or any of the other things that lead people to badmouth their employers.

Regardless, just because people tend to think the guy brought his situation upon himself doesn't necessarily mean the same people are doing so because they worship "$CORPORATION". It simply means they have opinions, and the right and ability to express them. So did the guy in the story, and the result was that he got fired. So do you, and the result is that you come across a little clueless in your own right. :)

Comments Mild-No Reason to Pull Trigger (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14630880)

Josh's comments are so mild that Sony has to be insane -- or very VERY scared about the problems with the PS3 -- to get upset over anything he said. Maybe they've been listening to their music too much lately and it has rootkit-ed their minds.

It's also interesting how grateful he is that their upper management remembers the lowly artist's names. Perhaps he doesn't realize how much harder it is to replace good artists and management drones. I say that as a Maya 3D user myself, and not nearly as talented as what he shows on his own web-site.

Now if someone could just point me to the article where he compares Maya to 3D Studio Max, I'd really like to read it.

Re:Comments Mild-No Reason to Pull Trigger (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14632608)

Wasn't he fired by his company, a Sony game partner, not Sony itself? But yes, I'd agree this was insane whether it was Sony or his own company, as he makes some rather mild comments ( most demos are faked - really now), some vague stuff about the techy folks think xbox is better, but this is peanuts to the negative publicity now that this has been blasted across the internet like on /.

The Guy Clearly Has Mental/Emotional Issuses (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630921)

First of all, the guy wasn't a developer. He was just an artist making assests for a game.

Second, the guy clearly has serious mental/emotional problems that need to be addressed. His carear is effectively over - artists are a dime a dozen in the games biz - no one wants a wacko working under their roof.

And lastly, the guy broke the number one rule for workplace nutcases. If you are going to be a workplace psycho, you owe it to your co-workers to at least be funny. This guy sounds like just a prick.

interview with a vampire (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14630937)

Should he have kept his mouth shut? Yes.

Is he right about the lack of quality in games coming out for the PS3 compared to the Xbox 360? Yes.

Should his bosses have listened to him and attempted to improve the quality of the product they were working on? Yes.

Did they listen to him? No.

Are the games still going to be shit? Yes.

Did they fire him cause he revealed their incompetance? Yes.

Did he deserve it? Yup.

Do his managers deserve to be fired for hiring people who are producing crap and are going to ruin Sony's image and sales? Yea.

Are they going to be? Nope.

Is this fair? More or less that's the way it is.

Was I going to buy a PS3 before I read this article? No, never had plans to.

Has reading his opinion make any difference for me? Nope, just confirms what I already understood.

Am I buying a 360? Not anytime soon, I've been dumping money into upgrading my computer.

If I had to buy a console, which would I buy? 360.

Does anyone on slashdot give a shit about my self-interview here? No.

Am I that guy? No.

Why are you anonymous then? Cause I'm lazy.

Are you going to stop this? Yes, now.

TS. (1)

MarksManB (521932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631417)

My ex-Marine instructors at the Law Enforcement Academy always said, "Remember the 11th Commandment: Thy shall keep thy mouth SHUT!"

talking out his ass. (0, Flamebait)

punisher18 (951617) | more than 8 years ago | (#14631500)

fact of the matter the product isnt out yet. this guy is a freaking dumbass and honestly hes a DUMBASS ... "Im just telling you what I am hearing. They proceeded to go into a lot of technical info that I don't understand. So I just nod" that technical info he doesnt understand is his job to know. now he did mention the dev kits.... "We received one of 5 PS3 dev kits in the United States some time ago." ONE of 5 ? my ass ! that some time ago there were 100 dev kits out in america , eruope , and japan simultaneously. . they had the same issues with the psp dev kits they were in such HIGH demand they were having trouble keeping up with the demand. as of currently there have been 4 THOUSAND dev kits sent out globally and now more being shipped because they can handle the demand and have even better smaller closer to spec dev kits. and ask for the whole f-bomb remark he made about the dev kits again he is talking out his ass! i honestly dont think he even touched the damn thing let alone see it. "" The preliminary development kit, code-named "Shreck," was a huge square metallic machine that ran with a 2.4GHz Cell chip and 256MB XDR memory. The machine got a face-lift during spring and was renamed to "Cytology," and it is currently about the size of a normal PC. Though it still runs at 2.4GHz, it comes with an upgraded memory size of 512MB. Kutaragi revealed that Sony plans to shrink the developer kit to the "rack mount" size of a server (around 19 inches wide) when the next, near-final version is released in December. Called the "PS3 Reference Tool," the kit will run at 3.2GHz, equal to the PS3's spec. Kutaragi commented that he also plans to offer a free-standing PS3 reference tool. "" http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/07/22/news_61296 11.html [gamespot.com] now if that company "not sony" that he worked on the demo for didnt look next gen to him or wasnt able to do some of the things he would have liked to have seen well then thats his fault as hes the one responsible for what populates the screen and how the camera is placed/what it the demo can do * playing from different angles etcetera*. plus he CANT speak for any of the other companies that made demos. this guy is a hack who wanted diss a machine not even out yet and even by his own words he worked with a VERY brutal early dev kit ie "shrek" . this guy is talking out his ass so bad he now has to be a brown nose-er so he doesnt get his ass sued by sony for talking out his ass so much. and again hes a DUMBASS only looking to piss off an old boss and get some crapy half ass notoriety and new job from sony competitors. not to mention the breaking of NDA of two employers! ..idiot!

So what's new? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14631832)

PS2 was harder to program than PS1 and PS2's competitors.
PS3 is harder to program than PS2 and PS3's competitors.

And Sony sucks as a company.

What I want to know is WHY Sony keeps doing stupid/evil/bad things.

Ummmmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14632652)

What I want to know is WHY Sony keeps doing stupid/evil/bad things.

People keep giving them money?

Put on your tinfoil hats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14632042)

Oh come on. He's a Microsoft plant that was paid to say those things so that the PS3 would look worse.

I bet.. (1)

Kuvter (882697) | more than 8 years ago | (#14632298)

he's got a good shot at being picked up by Microsoft now though.

nice script. (1)

dartarrow (930250) | more than 8 years ago | (#14632712)

So I guess the new rule for me is, don't ever say anything at all about anything. Ever...ever."

Is it just me or does that sound like a corny dialog from a reallly emo character in a c grade movie....?
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