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86 games for the 360, 45 for the PS3

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the something-to-look-forward-to-then dept.

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MBCook writes "Joystiq has posted lists of 86 Xbox 360 and 45 PS3 games that are expected to be released in 2006. They contain expected games (Halo 3, Killzone), ports (Burnout Revenge, Half-Life 2), sequels (SSX 4, Armored Core 4), and more. As for the Revolution? From the third link: 'For those who are wondering: the Nintendo Revolution list is just 8 titles long right now. Nintendo is being characteristically tight-lipped about their plans for the Revolution.'" The word seems to be that some of the mystery around the Revolution will be revealed at this year's GDC.

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Out of 131 games... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14650913)

...121 will be sports.

Re:Out of 131 games... (2, Informative)

BorgDrone (64343) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650933)

... of which 120 will be sequels.

" 2006, now with the 2006 player names and outfits. Includes exactly the same gameplay as before, with slightly better graphics for twice the price."

Re:Out of 131 games... (1)

rylin (688457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650975)

... of which 115 would've been developed by EA, except that their recent "layoffs" pulls the number down to a whooping 110.

Re:Out of 131 games... (1)

Ekarderif (941116) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651381)

Since Resident Evil 4 had the exact gameplay as its predecessors and was released last year, 2006 will continue its trend.

Re:Out of 131 games... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14652085)

You haven't played RE:4

Re:Out of 131 games... (1)

InsaneLampshade (890845) | more than 8 years ago | (#14653290)

"with slightly better graphics for twice the price."

Except for Fifa 2006 for the xbox 360..... in which case it has worse graphics than it's predecessor.

Re:Out of 131 games... (1)

doctor_nation (924358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650998)

And the remaining 10 will be direct ports.

Re:Out of 131 games... (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651518)

Yay for Unreal Tournament 2007!

Re:Out of 131 games... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651567)

Unreal Tournament 2007 isn't coming to the 360...Epic has made it clear that it is on targeted only for PS3 and PC.

That is why the 360 is getting essentially a 'consolation prize' title in Gears of War.

Queue the N Fanboys (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14650924)



Alright, all Nintendo fanboys start uniting about how the 8 games are quality over quantity in 3... 2... 1...

GO!!

Re:Queue the N Fanboys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651085)

I'm sorry, but the princess is in another castle.

Re:Queue the N Fanboys (3, Insightful)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651093)

Fanboy or not, I don't care how many games there are, as long as there is one I want to play. The console I end up buying, will depend on which games tempt me the most.

Re:Queue the N Fanboys (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651190)

I would imagine the eight games on the ninshito platform is their own shitty, cutsey games they will call 'famil friendly'. The lines "the Nintendo Revolution list is just 8 titles long right now. Nintendo is being characteristically tight-lipped about their plans for the Revolution" translated means "We at ninshito will have terrible third party support and we will be number three once again." With ninshito being second and falling in the portible market, ninshito will eventually go belly up, and that will spell the end of the cutsey 'family freindly' games. We need only mature games, as that is where the market is.

Final Fantasy (4, Insightful)

aSiTiC (519647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650931)

I'd rather have quality than quantity when it comes to console games. I'm pretty sure that FFXII is worth about 20 xbox360 games...

Re:Final Fantasy (1, Offtopic)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650963)

When I first glanced at your post I thought you were talking about the current sad state of FF games (quantity vs. quality).

Given Final Fantasies VIII-present, do you really think that XII will be better?

I'm very happy replaying Final Fantasy IV right now.

Re:Final Fantasy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651010)

Given Final Fantasies VIII-present, do you really think that XII will be better?...

no...

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651954)


Given Final Fantasies VIII-present, do you really think that XII will be better?


The only bad FF since VIII was X-2, and I still liked that better than VIII. I thought VIII was crap and VII was overrated, loved IX and X. I've played the demo for XII, and I like a lot. I'm sure XII will be a great game.

Re:Final Fantasy (0, Offtopic)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650966)

I stopped playing final fantasy games around 7 or 8, once it started taking 5 minutes to do a single attack move. The game got really boring when you had to watch the same cutscene 15 times over just to kill an enemy. Has any of this changed in the more recent versions?

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

EnderWiggnz (39214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651021)

i stopped playing when i had to cross-breed giant racing chickens to advance the plot.

really. trying to save the world, but i have time to stop and fiddle with chocobos.

Re:Final Fantasy (3, Funny)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651140)

Are you kidding? That was the best part [vgcats.com] !

Re:Final Fantasy (2, Insightful)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651009)

yeah, yeah, blah blah. They're first generation PS3 games - they'll be first generation quality. The Xbox 360 titles will be more interesting because they have been in development longer and will take more advantage of the console.

Re:Final Fantasy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14653294)

We get it. You're an Xbox 360 fan. The only reason you replied here is to mention that you think the Xbox 360 is better. A look at your posting history shows you do that a lot. I think you're made your point. Please stop. Thank you.

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

pvt_medic (715692) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651022)

def agree, especially for the price. I have dozens of games for some of my older systems and I only end up using like 3 or 4 of them regularly. Some of them i cant remember when I last used them. And if your shelling out $60 per game, you can very quickly spend more than what you did on the system. I dont have $700 bucks to spend on games.

I still prefer games that allow for good multiplayer action in the home.

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

sockdoll (828227) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651239)

I still prefer games that allow for good multiplayer action in the home.


Sounds like your "Final Fantasy" is to find a girlfriend, oh Jedi of the joystick... ;-)

Re:Final Fantasy (0, Troll)

MasamuneXGP (824006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651075)

I wonder how many XBox360 games MGS4 is worth?
...
I wonder how many digits are in that number?

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

jsrlepage (696948) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651631)

I wonder how many digits are in that number?
Answer : -1

Re:Final Fantasy (4, Interesting)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651088)

FFXII is for the PS2, not PS3, so it's not a next generation game in the first place.

That being said, did you play the demo that came with DragonQuest VIII? Ugh. To whoever was complaining about "long cutscenes to complete moves" (which DragonQuest VIII has in spades, BTW), that's not a worry in Final Fantasy XII - because everything happens in "real time." Instead, you just kinda stand there, and watch your party beat up enemies without ever having to lift a finger. Then, once they've cleared out the enemies in the area, you can just point them to the next cluster.

At least the AI doesn't suck - it's good enough to play the entire game for you! It looks like Square-Enix has finally gotten "interactive movie" down to an art.

(Although, to be quite honest, the worst part of the demo disk was the trailer. Apparently you're going to be "sky pirates." And, no matter how cute they may look in anime, "bunny girls" should never, ever, be rendered in 3-d. Plus, one of the races looks suspiciously like Jar-Jar Binks...)

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652138)

The bunny girls would be better if they weren't wearing playboy bunny outfits.

I guess I'm one of the few people who actually liked the demo. I didn't let my teammates kill all the monsters (though appearently I could have) so I guess that's why I had more fun. I don't imagine the actual game will be as easy as the demo. Remember the Xenogears demo, where you 3 charactors who had thousands of hitpoints and hit for insane amounts of damage, and then you played the actual game through the part the demo covered, and you had one charactor with about 100 hitpoints who hit for pitiful damage? Yeah, they don't want you to die during the demo, because then you won't buy the game. I imagine the actual game will be much more difficult and you won't be able to let your teammates kill all the monsters.

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652156)

I heard the first 17 minutes of XII is a cutscene which you can't skip through.

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652546)

At least the AI doesn't suck - it's good enough to play the entire game for you! It looks like Square-Enix has finally gotten "interactive movie" down to an art.

You know, I really like the whole "interactive movie" aspect of some RPGs, but it never even dawned on me to not get right in there and fight in the FFXII demo. I guess it takes a different temperment to deliberately try not to get any enjoyment out of a game.

Anyway, it's better than the .hack games. The only way to beat the boss of the first game was to let your two AI controlled characters go at it against the boss while you stayed as far away as possible tossing potions. This is because that boss featured instant-death attacks, powerful area attacks, and attacks that inflicted all status ailments (preventing you from getting to your curative items or otherwise acting).

Apparently you're going to be "sky pirates." And, no matter how cute they may look in anime, "bunny girls" should never, ever, be rendered in 3-d. Plus, one of the races looks suspiciously like Jar-Jar Binks...

The bunny girls (Viera) and lizard men (Bangaa) are races from Ivalice, the setting of Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced for the GBA. I admit that they do look a little odd rendered in a realistic style compared to the whimsical 2D look for the GBA game.

However, you're dismissing the idea of playing sky pirates crusing around in airships? Turn in your geek card right now!

Re:Final Fantasy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651350)

Meh - I'll take Oblivion over any FF title any day.

Re:Final Fantasy (1)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651628)

Dude, Nippon Ichi is the new Squaresoft. Makai Kingdom: pure facerock.

Re:Final Fantasy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651669)

You get the award for the most obvious post in this thread.

I'll See your FFXII (1)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652560)

And raise you one Elder Scrolls. I spent more time with Morrowind than any other non-MMORPG game ever. If anything were to convince me to buy a 360, that would. Seems kind of silly to drop that much money for one game though, and I've no intention of ever hooking the thing up to the Internet so I'll probably end up giving both consoles a miss (I'll be damned if I ever buy another Sony product.)

Re:Final Fantasy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14653134)

Did you actually PLAY the Final Fantasy XII demo on the Dragon Quest VIII DVD? It was terrible .

Quantity vs. Quality (2, Insightful)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650940)

If the games are good, it shouldn't really matter who has more titles. This is nothing more than the console version of measuring penis length. Now, when you include previous-generation titles that play on the new system, who comes out ahead?

My vote is still for the PC.

Re:Quantity vs. Quality (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651027)

Although I think the PC is the best gaming platform, I switched to consoles for two reasons. 1, because continually upgrading my PC was much more expensive than having the latest console. Especially when you wait until the hype dies down before buying a console. 2, Too many problems with games that don't even run because they don't like your cd rom drive, video card, direct x version, or many other things you may have installed on your system.

Re:Quantity vs. Quality (1)

cmoney (216557) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651049)

Maybe it's just me but in the end, who really cares about previous-generation titles? Backward compatibility is an issue for the first year when titles are limited, but after that, is it really an issue? I don't know anybody still playing Playstation 1 games on their PS2s.

And the PC market will always be limited compared to the consoles, especially now that consoles are more than a match for the average PC.

Re:Quantity vs. Quality (1)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651132)

Maybe I'm the exception then, because there are a good number of PS1 titles that I still play - Breath of Fire III, Castlevania: SotN, Final Fantasy VII, Alundra, Neo Nectaris, Legend of Mana, etc... You're saying that we should just abandon games that we enjoyed (assuming they have replay value) simply because something newer is available? No, I don't agree with that.

As for the hardware matchup, well, yeah. I'm with you there.

Re:Quantity vs. Quality (1)

Uther2000 (703950) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651329)

I agree with the hardware matchup. However, for enjoyability, I like me PC over console. Even after I have beaten agame I can still go in, replay, trainer and cheat my way thru it for giggles. I don't get the same satisfaction out of a console game. --Uther

Re:Quantity vs. Quality (2, Insightful)

Gnagus (468419) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651310)

I disagree with you.

I still play some Atari 2600 games here and then on my Xbox (mind you, I actually own the original cartridges and the system)...

Heck, I still play Master of Orion 2 on the PC, even if it's almost 10 years old now.
I still play Dungeon Master, the all-time best pseudo-3d dungeon crawler ever made. (The Amiga 500 version of course)

My point is, there is a place for legacy gaming - maybe not for you, but for me and lots of other people. So yes, backward compatibily is an issue and a selling point...

Re:Quantity vs. Quality (1)

Ahnteis (746045) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652685)

I think that would be the Revolution, but then again, I am considering which old games I'd actually be interested in playing.

Let's see... (4, Insightful)

guspasho (941623) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650948)

The number of games expected to be released for one system in 2006 is far greater than the others. Only one system has been released already. Guess which one it is?

Is this anything other than an obvious function of stage of development? Or just some pro-360 spin?

Re:Let's see... (2, Insightful)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651915)

I don't think the title is so much of a 'look how many more games 360 will have' than it is a 'here's what we've got to look forward to this year as gamers'.

But how many are any good? (4, Interesting)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650952)

Hasn't the mountain of discount no-hoper PS2 titles taught the industry to go for quality not quantity?

Re:But how many are any good? (2, Insightful)

TeacherOfHeroes (892498) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651082)

Nope, just like the deluge of Atari games back in the 80's didn't manage to teach them the same lesson.

If they spend less money developing a poor quality game, then they have to trick fewer people into buying it in order to make a profit.

I'd rather have (3, Insightful)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650956)

One decent game that kept me engrossed for hours and hours than 100+ rubbish games that I wish I'd never spent my money on. I suppose the problem for the developers though is tat they want to make a game that is just good enough to make you want to buy more but not so good that you never want to buy another one. It's a tricky problem and personally I think they have been failing badly for a number of years.

Re:I'd rather have (1)

Luctius (931144) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651053)

>> I suppose the problem for the developers though is tat they want to make a game that is just good enough to make you want to buy more
>> but not so good that you never want to buy another one. It's a tricky problem and personally I think they have been failing badly for a >> number of years.

What, you found a game so good that you never want to buy another?

Re:I'd rather have (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651117)

What, you found a game so good that you never want to buy another?

I would explain in greater length, but I've got a whole bunch of chaos speeders poised to overrun Yang's territory in the next few turns. And I'm prototyping a line of nerve-gas needlejets with which to assail the main centres of the alien factions. Nobody minds, when you gas aliens.

Re:I'd rather have (1)

rk (6314) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651327)

Progenitors: mind greatly: use of poison gas.

Only option: your destruction: vigorously pursued.

Re:I'd rather have (1)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651431)

No but I have found games that have kept me addicted to a long time (AOE II springs to mind). Ok, the game is really dated now but I still go back to it and have a bash at a multiplayer with my better half now and then. I've bought a couple of the off shoots from this game and none of them have been even close to it. AOM was useless IMHO and AOE III is a slight step backwards in terms of playability from AOE II.

One word... (1)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651220)

Disgaea

If you've got a PS2 and like tactical games, I highly recommend getting it. Also consider that it has intuitive controls, a great storyline, a fair amount of humor, and, of course, Prinnies*. Alas, it's kinda hard to find at times due to a small production run.

* - Basically a penguin that explodes when you throw it and has a propencity for shouting 'Dood!'

Re:I'd rather have (1)

chumpboy (680707) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652896)

Not attempting to troll, but as a Halo 2 player, I think that Bungie came up with a good solution.

As with any game, things grow stale after some use. Bungie kept it going by releasing new maps and changing the game types that were available via XBox Live. Since you had to pay for the new maps, which a large portion of the game playin populace did, they were able to continue the revenue stream long after development and the large sales had finished.

Why can't more game developers try this? Ask them. Vote with your wallet.

8 titles for Revolution? (4, Funny)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14650984)

The Revolution might just beat out the ColecoVision this year!

Here's one so far: Magical Tree [atariage.com]

Re:8 titles for Revolution? (2, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651097)

But they aren't including the fact that not only will the Revo be backwards compatible with the GC, but it will allow you to download and run games from the last 20 years of Nintendos consoles. So long as these games are reasonably priced, under $5, I think that Nintendo will probably have a big advantage over the competitors.

Re:8 titles for Revolution? (2, Funny)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651251)

But they aren't including the fact that not only will the Revo be backwards compatible with the GC, but it will allow you to download and run games from the last 20 years of Nintendos consoles. So long as these games are reasonably priced, under $5, I think that Nintendo will probably have a big advantage over the competitors.

Yes, cause nothing motivates me to go out and spend a few hundred bucks on a new console like the ability to play games I was bored with and through away 5-10 years ago ;-)

Re:8 titles for Revolution? (3, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651355)

The popularity of emulators and roms sites says that there's a lot of people who still aren't bored with old nintendo games.

Re:8 titles for Revolution? (1)

cornface (900179) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652363)

The popularity of emulators and roms sites says that there's a lot of people who still aren't bored with old nintendo games.

And combined with the "homebrew" scene, it says that there's a lot of people who are bored with paying for their games.

Re:8 titles for Revolution? (1)

Rolgar (556636) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651976)

Oh no, do you think my kids will be bored with games they've never played before?

Re:8 titles for Revolution? (1)

Damek (515688) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652501)

I don't know - it seems to me it's all the "new" games that are tired & boring, being sad, pathetic rehashes of all the great games of yesteryear. Nintendo's going to capture a ton of people who haven't played a console in years...

Re:8 titles for Revolution? (3, Insightful)

sehryan (412731) | more than 8 years ago | (#14653334)

My wife could give $0.02 about gaming consoles. Yet she has told me that we are definitely getting a Rev, because she wants to play all the old school games from when she was a kid.

That, in my mind, is the target audience for this sort of feature.

Missing option.... uhm title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651006)

DNF [slashdot.org]

The real news (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651020)

Is that box 360 has less than double the number of titles planned this year than another console which has not even been released yet. Geez, Microsoft, you'd think the developers were shunning you.

Are all slashdot headlines deceptive? (2, Funny)

Ectospheno (724239) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651036)

As the author of the original article states on the very first line:

This list shouldn't really be compared to the list of Xbox 360 titles that are to be released in 2006 because the PlayStation 3 isn't out yet and because we still don't know a whole lot about the system or the games that are scheduled for it.

Now compare that with the headline for this story. I can't wait to see if the dupe headline is any better :)

Re:Are all slashdot headlines deceptive? (1)

BarryNorton (778694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651271)

the PlayStation 3 isn't out yet and because we still don't know a whole lot about the system or the games that are scheduled for it
I know one thing - the PS4 has no games scheduled yet... man, I'm not buying that piece of sh...

OT: /. Bug? (0, Offtopic)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651074)

From the link I followed to get to this story:

Games: 86 games for the 360, 45 for the PS3 16 of 3 comments

That's... weird.

PS3 Games will be of exremely high quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651119)

The PS3 is going to be using games that come on blu-ray disks, wich can hold a lot more data than the DVDs that the X-Box currently uses. No, there are no HD-DVD games for the x-box. Besides, Sony doesn't intend to sell the PS3 at a loss, so the profits won't have to be made back in the games. The games will cost less for the amount of resources it took to create them than they would for the X-Box 360.

Re:PS3 Games will be of exremely high quality (2, Insightful)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651169)

The PS3 is going to be using games that come on blu-ray disks, wich can hold a lot more data than the DVDs that the X-Box currently uses.

They can. But what makes you think they will?

Besides, Sony doesn't intend to sell the PS3 at a loss, so the profits won't have to be made back in the games.

But they're still charging developers a royalty per game. just because they don't have to doesn't mean they aren't going to. They're after profits.

Re:PS3 Games will be of exremely high quality (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651507)

The PS3 is going to be using games that come on blu-ray disks, wich can hold a lot more data than the DVDs that the X-Box currently uses.

They can. But what makes you think they will?

4.7 GB should be enough for anybody!

Re:PS3 Games will be of exremely high quality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651263)

More bloated data on the disc? Woohoo. Bring on the 15 minute loading times.

Re:PS3 Games will be of exremely high quality (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 8 years ago | (#14653156)

Well of course. We all know that the larger of a footprint a game has the better the quality, right?

The 41 games that 360 has extra... (3, Funny)

smbarbour (893880) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651124)

are just part of the 2006 EA Sports lineup that the PS3 won't have (the 2007 lineup will be ready when the PS3 is released).

*ducks*

360 manufacturing problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651185)

The 360 manufacturing problems are supposed to have no end in sight. At least for the rest of this year. Publishers must be at the very least pushing back 360 titles/ports as far as they can or outright just canceling some of the more marginal titles if the installed base isn't going to grow significantly in 2006.

Publishers have to be seeing what is clear to anyone who has been following the 360 news:

1) Ebay prices are right around retail levels with many auctions going unbid.

2) People are reporting seeing stacks of 360s at major retailers - have to wonder if Microsoft is paying people to post online about not being able to find a 360 anywhere

3) 360 defect/crashing threads on console message boards are simply insane and have to be seen to believed. The amount of hardware and software problems 360 owners are having are mind boggling.

4) 360 product sitting unsold on shelves right now with only a million or so 360 sold.

It doesn't take long for game publishers to react to a situation like this one for the 360. The Dreamcast was doing significantly better than the 360 and they rapidly saw the writing on the wall for the doomed console.

Re:360 manufacturing problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651416)

#1 & #2,#4 contradict themselves. In #1 you are saying they are going for about retail level, which means that retail must not be able to supply them, and then in #2,#4 you say that retail has a glut of them. Goes to ebay, types in xbox 360, first list someone selling it for ~$100 more than retail cost with 24 bids, next list shows someone selling it for ~$60 more than retail with 6 bids, next list shows someone selling it for ~$40 more than retail with 2 bids. Kinda blows your statement out of the water, in that multiple people are willing to pay more retail price for an item, from a person they don't know, doing a transaction in a significantly less secure way than normal.

2# locally: best buy, compusa, walmart, meijer, target, etc are all out of them and have been. Sure it's annectdotale evidence but it's just as valid as your statement. Combine that with the above proof that people are willing to pay more than retail for it, gives my statement more weight than yours.

#3 there are vocal people, but the ratio of quantity/# of owners is no where near what you are suggesting

#4 only a million sold? According to microsoft's release 1.5 million were sold in 05 alone, thats dropping the ~%50 of the timespan for 2006 that units were sold (Jan/Feb), see above #1 & #2 as to the rest.

Myself, I actually don't own any consoles (or Microsoft stock); but man are you a fanboy that I can guess only likes seeing your own console get any good press and that any other console but die.

Re:360 manufacturing problems (1)

Chosen Reject (842143) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651841)

#1 is not contradicted by #2 or #4. If ebay prices are right around retail it is because no one wants to pay more for it on ebay than they can somewhere else. If it were unavailable everywhere else, then demand would cause it to go up in price. But that it's the same price as retail means people are willing to bid on it until it gets to be the same price as they could get it at Best Buy or WalMart or wherever and they no longer want to bid.

Here's my anecdotal evidence as well. Just this Saturday I was in CompUSA, Best Buy Circuit City, and WalMart. 360's were in each store ready to be purchased. In all but one location, no one was even playing the demos. Where someone was, they were playing Call of Duty 2. I watched for a minute as he played on an HDTV. After a minute I hung my head in disgust. Oh la la. They have PC level graphics only a few years later.

I'm not impressed by the 360's actual performance. I'm not believing anything about the PS3's supposed performance. Nintendo is trying something different. I look forward to it. My PC allows me to mod. PC for me with the possibility of a Revolution.

Re:360 manufacturing problems (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651979)

I just checked out the prices on eBay and it looks like people are really selling their 360s for a loss when you add up:

1. The effort they went through to order/buy the units
2. Tax
3. The effort they went through to put the thing up on eBay and ship it to a buyer

Also it is clear there are huge numbers of 360s with zero bids on them.

The lack of demand for the 360 is staggering. Although I guess it is understandable if even only some of the problems people are having with them is true.

Re:360 manufacturing problems (1)

bornbitter (813458) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652296)

...wow. I can't believe it. For the first time in months someone actually used their head. I agree with you 100% and that is not because I am a computer gaming fan-boy. Like you, I just can see past the marketing with my own two eyes.

If better resolution and graphics + ability to mod are as important as Micro$oft and $ony say they are, why are they not making games for the pc?

Re:360 manufacturing problems (1)

cornface (900179) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651920)

Did you really look? Really?

Just on the first page of results for "Xbox 360" right now there is:

Premium (+extras) with ~45 minutes left, bidding only up to $380, reserve not met.

Premium (+extras) with ~45 minutes left, only $10 over retail cost.

Premium with ~45 minutes left, $40 under retail cost.

Premium with no bids at all ~30 minutes left.

Premium with ~20 minutes left, 4 bids, at cost.

Premium with ~10 minutes left + game, under retail.

Core system, ~10 minutes left, no bids.

Core system, ~10 minutes left, no bids

Premium with ~30 minutes left $5 over retail.

Premium with ~30 minutes left $10 over retail.

Premium with ~30 minutes left with buy it now at cost, and no bids.

There are some going for way over retail (for whatever reason), but for the most part they are just sitting there without much markup. The ones with a large markup on the buy it now remain unsold. Not trying to draw any conclusions here, but the ebay market isn't going bezerk for them anymore.

But you are missing something... (5, Interesting)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651213)

Much bigger news (and news that one would think would appeal directly to the /. crowd) is that so many third-party developers have already commited to the Revolution and many more are very interested. Not only that but the fact that from day 1 Nintendo has pledged support for indie/single developers! What more could we ask for, and it gets *zero* coverage. Now, this may change once the full details are known, but with all the fluff and hype covered about everything else this has received NOTHING.

Of those supposed 86 Xbox 360 titles, how many will even be decent? Judging by the fact that out of the 15 or so launch titles, maybe 1 is decent that equates to about 5-6 decent games over the full spread. So in a year and a half you get 5 or so decent games. Now, how many of those are cross-platform or PC games? Oblivion, anyone? And the fact that the Oblivion system specs. were released and not too massive (2ghz, 512MB, common ATI/Nvidia cards, DX9).

Same for the PS3. Oh, but wait Sony has said time and time again that the PS3 is NOT a game console. They are banking heavily on the blu-ray angle. We are all aware of the standard Sony fare and the same proportions of decent:crap as MS. So they may have 3 solid titles out of their lineup.

To buy either the 360 or PS3 to play a handful of titles that are still a year out is a bit silly. Add to this the slow release schedules due to cost and dev. time and you have two expensive consoles that will be seeing more standby time than action. Unless you use your PS3 to play all the Blu-Ray discs you will be buying up like crazy to replace those "so-outdated" DVD's you just built up. I guess just like how we all own so many UMD movies and games... ooh, and mini-discs, don't forget the ubiquitous mini-disc in America.

Two powerhouse machines built around closed standards, DRM, and hype... or the Revolution, with close to open development, low cost, quick development time, standard media, and a back catalog a mile long... even if you are a fanboy it is hard to not see this.

Re:But you are missing something... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651229)

"Two powerhouse machines"

Did you just call the Xbox 360 a 'powerhouse'???

Tell us you were joking...

Re:But you are missing something... (3, Interesting)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651309)

No, I am quite sure the PS3 and 360 very well fall into the category of "powerhouse's." I don't deny that.

In fact I'm not a Nintendo fanboy even, I am purely hopeful that the system will be very popular to help open up gaming back to small teams and creative individuals instead of big faceless corporations. Only good could come from Nintendo's success on a number of levels.

Look at Project Offset, that is a team of basicaly two or three guys and they have the ability to turn the current status quo on its ear. But they are subservient to finding a publisher who isn't going to rape them, which is damn near impossible. Now, with low cost (free?) development tools for the Revolution a small team like this and many more like them can change the face of gaming and break it out of this stagnation and downward spiral of fun and actual design.

I'm all for that. However, that doesn't mean the Xbox 360 and PS3 are weak or not rediculously powerful. It just means that the priorities are out of whack and the main focus (the games) is sadly low on the list.

Re:But you are missing something... (1)

radish (98371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651488)

Go read up on the Xbox Live Arcade - it provides exactly what you're talking about - right now. And it's very succesful, with small publishers like Popcap writing small, fun, cheap games and selling a lot of copies. I hope Nintendo pull off something as good or even better, but let's not pretend they're offering something unique.

Re:But you are missing something... (1)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652242)

I never said it was unique. What I am saying is that even with Xbox Arcade, all it is is a platform for rehashes and bigger developers still. Geo Wars? Smash TV? and on and on... these are NOT indie/solo efforts that are even remotely innovative or unique.

What I am talking about is not just a way to make a quick buck off old arcade/mini games, but all new material from budding or small developers like the team behind Project Offset, or the original Doom shareware.

Why on earth would I choose Microsoft if given the choice between developing my indie game over Nintendo? Why would anyone at /.???

Re:But you are missing something... (1)

discoalucardx (840212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652387)

So, uh, you've never messed with the Xbox Live Arcade, have you? There are a few old arcade games on there, and it's hard to argue that Geometry Wars is innovative, but there's at least some interesting stuff on there - that marble game I can't remember the name, and some kind of intergalatic lemonade stand simulator (I think that's what it is.) And that Wik game. The point is, yes, Microsoft is supporting the indie developers on this one. Just because you don't feel like paying attention to it doesn't mean it's not happening.

Re:But you are missing something... (1)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651373)

"so many third-party developers have already commited to the Revolution and many more are very interested"

I wouldn't put too much stock in "commitments." Take a look at the Jaguar FAQ sometime and look at the like of "committed" developers who never even made a game for the system. I will admit that it's much better than nobody making commitments yet.

Re:But you are missing something... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651440)

Your statement about 3rd party support is a little off. A lot of JAPANESE developers have support behind the system...the Americans are not so into it. I love me some Nintendo, but I'm afraid most of their good titles might show up from across the pond, and very few over here. (Luckily, I pretty much only care about Japanese games)

Doesn't matter. (1)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651563)

The system that's most amenable to shovelware tends to win. First it was the Atari 2600, then it was the NES ("Seal of Quality" notwithstanding). In the min-90s Sony took the shovelware crown from Nintendo. Now it's Microsoft's turn. They have delivered a platform that's far easier to develop for than their competitors, and more developers are going to commit to a Microsoft console. That generally means more shitty developers, but people tend to buy the console with the most industry support, not the one with the most great games (or else Dreamcast would've been end-of-lifed around now instead of 5 years ago).

Re:But you are missing something... (1)

radish (98371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651584)

Judging by the fact that out of the 15 or so launch titles, maybe 1 is decent

Err....which one would that be? PGR3, one of the best racing games ever (in my opinion, the best), or COD2, one of the best shooters ever? Or maybe it's Kameo, which while not genre defining is a lot of fun, or Q4 which is, well, Quake? Amped 3 was a lot of fun too. And while it wasn't really my cup of tea, I know a lot of people really like RR6. Condemned has also won a lot of praise from the survival horror crowd.

In fact, overall, Metacritic [metacritic.com] would suggest that quite a few of the launch titles are "decent" - with 9 titles getting 80% or higher average scores and 20 75% or higher.

I guess just like how we all own so many UMD movies and games

UMD movies are actually selling very well. No, I don't know why, but it's a fact.

with close to open development, low cost, quick development time, standard media

Even as an obvious Nintendo fanboy I'd hope you'd recognise that Xbox Live Arcade gives us all that already.

Re:But you are missing something... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14653065)

UMD movies sell well because most PSP users don't know how to reconvert dvd to PSP (even with the multitude of programs out there) or even to flash their own firmware so they can do what they want with their own device.
Same reason so many people buy polyphonic ring tones rather than just getting mp3-capable phones and transferring the actual mp3 as ringtone for free. Same reason a lot of iPod owners pay through the nose for expensive docks and/or cabling to hook their iPod up to their stereo, instead of getting a headphone/RCA adaptor and an RCA cable for a fraction of the price.

The average person doesn't really understand how to use their own technology properly, and so relies upon expensive manufacturer-supplied additional products to do it for them.

Re:But you are missing something... (2, Interesting)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651876)

Umm, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the XBox Live Arcade very accommodating to smaller/indie developers? Seems to me a system with this in place and out now would be the ideal place for an indie developer to target.

Re:how many xBox360 games are decent? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652315)

Well, 255 are FPS clones that all are pretty much the same, 49 are game ports that are only there to use HDTV graphics, and 50 are sports games that are pretty boring, which leaves you with about 6 that are worth even looking at ...

Armored Core 4 - Oh hell yes (1)

MS-06FZ (832329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651301)

If there was one game out there that could make my ears perk up and get me to actually look forward to the PS3, it's a new AC title on a more powerful system. Here's hoping they really take advantage of that power. Oh, and if the release of AC4 results in Kotobukiya putting out more Armored Core kits, all the better.

The AC game for the PSP could have got me buying a PSP, if it hadn't been a big AI training game.

Good luck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651558)

Sony has done one thing right with the launch of the original PS and then the PS2: they had quantity over quality. The more games out there, the greater chance for more hits people will gravitate to. MS and Nintendo have not taken this approach with their previous systems. It looks like MS is getting as many titles out as possible with the 360, a smart move on their part. If they have more titles, they're more likely to have greater market and mindshare by the end of the year than the PS3. This will just lead to even more games for their system, and a win for us.
I don't doubt Sony's ability to get developers for the PS3, but it does look like they will not have as many titles a year from launch compared to the 360.

wrong (2, Insightful)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14651613)

"Besides, Sony doesn't intend to sell the PS3 at a loss, so the profits won't have to be made back in the games. "

Yes absolutely Sony intends to sell the console at a loss. Other Blu-Ray players being released later this year will be pushing $1500. There is no way they are selling an early (practically beta) version of a Blu-Ray player AND a gaming machine with a CELL processor at cost.

Sony will most likely be selling this at a substantial loss. PS3's release will coincide with the release of Halo3 and a Xbox360 price cut to around $250. PS3 must launch in the 400-500 range at most to have any chance of competing, and this is much less than the manfacturing costs.

Re:wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14651690)

Known Microsoft paid for shill.

Mods check post history.

Re:wrong (2, Informative)

-kertrats- (718219) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652193)

It's already been said that Halo 3's release will not match the PS3 release.

I know at least 3 NR titles (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652294)

because Konami, a Japanese game company I hold shares in, is producing them.

Think one is a soccer game, another one is a dance game, and can't remember what the other one is off hand.

Is it just me... (1)

illmunkeys (939424) | more than 8 years ago | (#14652797)

...or do both lists look like it's going to be a slow year of console gaming.

So far, I'm only interested in Halo 3, Winning Eleven, Lost Odyssey, the Rockstar game, and Jade Empire 2 (which is only rumored). I'll be playing Elder Scrolls IV on my PC (who wants to pass up all that fan-made goodness?). What happened to Playstation RPGs? There doesn't seem to be a single one on the list, which is highly disappointing.

I wish Nintendo would get with publishing info about upcoming games on their system. The controller just isn't enough... in fact, I don't really care much about it. Give me some games!

7 games a month for the x360? (1)

Gax (196168) | more than 8 years ago | (#14653311)

I'm glad the Xbox 360 is getting some games. It's been hilarious watching the magazines salivate over the launch titles. Imagine Publishing's 360 magazine (UK) launched four months prior to the launch of the console. I bet they were tired of filling the entire mag with previews.
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