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Google Adds Chat To Gmail

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the wouldn't-be-a-weekday-without-a-google-story dept.

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Nathan Weinberg writes "Google has added a chat feature to Gmail. It brings Google Talk, minus voice calls, into your webmail client. Gmail now also logs your IMs, whether they originate in Gmail or Google Talk. In the commentary at InsideGoogle, I note that Google recommends you disable Firefox's AdBlock, which can block Google's ads, if you want Gmail Chat to function properly."

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Live! (1, Insightful)

immorak (904819) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659607)

I can't wait for it to go live. At this point there is a button in my gmail account but just talks about "coming soon". I guess the google talk chats can now be saved on my gmail account starting now.

In other news (0, Offtopic)

i kan reed (749298) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659653)

TV companies recomend you don't skip commercials with Tivo.

Re:Live! (1)

netkid91 (915818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659747)

It's already activated on mine. It's really nice. Your chat histories are now saved and you can even use GTalk right from inside your GMail :)

Google policies (3, Insightful)

alexmipego (903944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659954)

We must not forget google policies. If you let them to log your chats then you're giving them even more information about you.

At first, all that information can, and will be used, to make target advertisement. No big deal since they already analyse our email.

Second, all that information can, and will be used, in case of any "law" problems with them. The have in their policies that rules, so if you come to be from a rival company they will use all the information they get from your email, and not the chats too, to play dirty.

Be carefull boys!

Re:Google policies (1)

Radres (776901) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660056)

Yeah, they can then sell that information to your ISP!

Oh, wait...

Google (-1, Offtopic)

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Coming Soon (-1, Redundant)

kevin.fowler (915964) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659615)

It's not available yet on any GMail account at my office.

Stay tuned for partial excitement.

Way more than "partial excitement." (2, Interesting)

brian.glanz (849625) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659736)

I don't see this as incremental, while it is a step in a longer path. I expect users to be more than partially excited.

Time was when we debated whether IM would subsume email; think we called them "instant messaging" and "e-mail" at that point 8)

IM and HTTP/HTTPS, different protocols, different Subnets, architecture which in classic Geek fashion precipitated different end user apps for each.

Welcome again to 2006, some say "the year of user experience" in what is clearly, at least a minor era thereof. Different protowhats? Try explaining to users why IM and email have been kept apart until now.

These apps had to change, had to merge, for users have been forced to keep vague, human mental track of what was said when and where and to whom. Until and even with Google Desktop, we had little hope of "keeping straight" what we had typed to each other through our machines. From a user's point of view, this is absurd! What should be simpler?

Google's founders were 15 and 16 years old (Brin, Page respectively) when "Field of Dreams" introduced the iconic phrase "If you build it, they will come." In software, this mantra has never been more true than when "they" are users -- not clients in the B2B case, users. Maybe that film hit the Googlers at just the right, impressionable age.

Let their corporate motto, "Don't be evil" extend to "don't be greedy." The greedy engineer, nee the greedy corporation, puts its own, short term interests first, followed closely by its clients' interests, followed somewhere after by its users' interests. We all know that happy B2B users lead to happy clients lead to happy software businesses and happy engineers. Under market pressures though, few of us software businessmen, middle managers, and engineers have the nads to invest in the idea. What could be worse than knowing better and still acting greedy, if not evil?

The cliche's are irresistable, I'm sorry; let's try: "give, and ye shall receive." Or, how about a metaphor: The User King. A testy, unpredictable ruler when misunderstood and/or abused, when well treated he is a benevolent king who will stay with and guide you. You need only build for him a castle, provide him servants and society, influence in court, importance and so on.

If the engineers and businessmen submit to their User King despite short term expenses, they will find themselves well cared for in return. "Leveraging" this, to "utilize" in your "solutions" of course, is only as difficult as letting go of your ego. Let the "participation age," the Web 2.0ness wash over you. Speak softly to yourself "I am not the user, I am not in control, The User is my King." Let go of your pet features, your opinions about graphics and cuteness. Let go of everything visible in the application.

Make no assumptions about what King User wants or needs. Take some time and ask him, not your boss or your executive leadership or your shareholders or your clients, accept no substitutes. Ask your User, then include not one more feature than your users need: remember Google.com, circa 1999? One or two interesting touches, like a looser-than-most corporate logo policy and some casual, entertaining wording like "I'm feeling lucky," that's fine. Be Geeky, but whatever you do: "don't be difficult." Don't be a Geek. Don't be the Geek you know you are; rather, be only what King User wants you to be, not one thing more.

I like the "coming soon" type announcements when we can believe the company saying it. Coming soon to free, minimalist, searchable, 3 Gig accounts near you: "IM and email, what's the difference? and could RSS be any easier?"

Couldn't have come from a more usual suspect.

Re:Way more than "partial excitement." (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659813)

Holy sweet Christ, how's the Kool-Aid today? I would LOVE to save your post to shove down your throat when the day arrives that Google starts acting like a capitalist enterprise, but I really don't care about it or you enough to bother.

Re:Way more than "partial excitement." (1)

op12 (830015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660039)

Of course this is yet another way for Google to aggregate additional information about you, and also brings about the concern when you're relying on a company for everything, what happens when it goes down for an extended period? I'll admit I'm also excited about this, but it's not all a corporate utopia. I do like the increase of transparency to the end user.

Re:Way more than "partial excitement." (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660040)

well a basic difference between email and IM is that you can still send email while the other user is offline, though I like that Skype buffers up messages you type and sends to the recipient when they come online

And while I agree that you have to think about the user when you design/build your software, very often users dont even know what they want, and will change specifications as you work on a project, so it is better to actually try to get into the mindset of the user and anticipate what they want while drawing up design specs. If you go for the approach of giving exactly what was asked for and no more, then you could always add in more later at extra cost, but that will make the final code more messy and likely to have bugs.

Re:Way more than "partial excitement." (3, Funny)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660054)

That was one of the most rambling posts I've ever tried to read. Pimping a blog or something? Get to the point already.

FP (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659622)

FIRST POST !!!!!!

Logging (5, Informative)

Silas is back (765580) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659629)

Just to mention, logging of chats is turned off by default. You have to turn it on manually.

I think this thing is a good idea (not the logging, the chat-inside-mailapp). I wonder if you get marked as "online" whenever you check your Mail on mail.google.com...

Re:Logging (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659704)

I think this thing is a good idea (not the logging, the chat-inside-mailapp). I wonder if you get marked as "online" whenever you check your Mail on mail.google.com...

I think both features are good. Logging can be incredibly useful when you're using IM for online meetings and collaboration. (Such as in OSS projects.) To date I've been using a ChatBot to collaborate and record the conversations. This would free me to just record all my conversations, then move the interesting parts to the wiki as necessary.

Way to go Google!

Re:Logging (2, Informative)

zephos (877875) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659810)

IM logging is indeed a handy feature especially within the context of your example.

I think people's concern might be that if Google is logging your chats then any conversation you have [even confidential conversations] are stored and controlled by Google, forever.

In your business setting the logging is basically like having a stenographer in a meeting and you own and control the notes. I think you'd want that same control if using Google's technology. After all if you discuss something confidential you'd want it insure it remains that way.

Re:Logging (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659874)

Well, if you read the article, it states that the logging is completely optional. You can turn it off at any time, preventing a record from being kept. Of course, there's always the possibility that Google would log your IMs anyway. Since they can already do that, though, this feature doesn't really change anything.

Re:Logging (0)

guildsolutions (707603) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659852)

Yes but google is the search giant.. Would you want to be able to search other peoples IM's to find out who likes pink, cherry flavored popcicles? We all know that google logs what you search for, I just fear that google, without you knowing, would log what you chat about!

Trillian Secure IM -and- Off-the-Record [cypherpunks.ca] Messaging are your friends.

Re:Logging (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660068)

I think if there was an option to search for chats, then you would actually know about it yourself. Did you not think that google also has all your email but doesnt make it searchable to other users? IANAL but wouldnt it be illegal for them to provide a facility for anyone other than the specified recipient to read email and IM messages?

Re:Logging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659873)

This would free me to just record all my conversations, then move the interesting parts to the wiki as necessary.

Pathetic is not a strong enough word.

How about going out and having an interesting conversation with a real live person, flesh to flesh, and then recounting that interesting conversation later to another person, flesh to flesh. That way you are not a just a pathetic meat puppet who moves stuff to and from his wiki.

Coming soon, all your person info posted via anonymous proxy.

Logging where? (2, Interesting)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659897)

Logging can be incredibly useful when you're using IM for online meetings and collaboration.

Logging on *my* computer is fine and useful. Logging on *their* server is not.

Re:Logging where? (4, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659929)

Logging on *my* computer is fine and useful. Logging on *their* server is not.

1. It's optional. Turn it on as you see fit.
2. You keep all your GMail on their servers. How does this differ?

Re:Logging (-1, Offtopic)

u2boy_nl (927513) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659902)

To date I've been using a ChatBot to collaborate and record the conversations. This would free me to just record all my conversations, then move the interesting parts to the wiki as necessary.

Wow, i'm suprised you date at all!

It doesn't freak out the girls?

(Just curious!)

Re:Logging (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14660084)

Please GOD someone metamod this unfair...you can already log all the GTalk you want in things like Gaim.

Re:Correction from paranoid (1)

SolitaryMan (538416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659851)

Just to mention, logging of chats is turned off by default. You have to turn it on manually.
It should be:
Examination of chat logs is turned off by default. You have to turn it on manually.
It is not that I'm so obsessed with it, but there *is* a difference. Remember it. One day it can matter.

Re:Logging (1)

woobieman29 (593880) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660062)

'I wonder if you get marked as "online" whenever you check your Mail on mail.google.com...'

I wonder also what will happen when I logon to gmail.com and I already have GAIM running with the Google Chat plugin....

Most IM protocols only allow you to be logged in from one client at a time - will I get auto-booted from one or the other? Admittedly, I am not sure whether or not the Jabber protocol works this way (Google Chat uses the open Jabber protocol - hooray!).

IM Banned (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659630)

another thing that will be banned for school/work

Re:IM Banned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659662)

hmm... haven't heard of http://www.meebo.com/ [meebo.com] yet, have you?

IM with AJAX goodness :)

Chat sites and advertising (4, Interesting)

ModernGeek (601932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659633)

I submitted this story last night, and it didn't get posted. One thing I noted was the fact that in the past google would not let chat sites advertise because they could not parse the chat text and bring relevant ads to the page. I used to run an IRC Network that was big into web integration (think AJAX gateway to IRC), and I wanted to implement google ads, but they didn't seem content on any solution for us, no matter what we brought to the table. Maybe now that they have targeted advertising for their chat service, they will allow targeted advertising for other chat services. Either that, or they will want to keep a monopoly with their Gmail + Talk service.

Re:Chat sites and advertising (1)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660043)

The question is wholly one of whether or not they can parse the page content. There's no question that they can parse the content of their mail and chat clients, server-side.

AdSense on your site requires that the Mediapartners Googlebot be able to retrieve your page, parse it, and deliver relevant ads. If you're doing real-time content changes and there's tons of Javascript in the page, the challenge to figure out what anyone's talking about isn't worth the fight.

Bitching about it being a monopoly is whining.

They can do what they need server-side when it's on their servers. Google, on their own services, don't do the Javascript includes, the ads are part of the page.

whatever! (-1, Troll)

sinucus (85222) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659635)

I'm sorry, but there is no way that I will disable Adblock to gain access to ay "feature" that google may offer. I love my google services as much as the next guy but there is no way that I will give up my ad free existance for it. Not when there are so many other free alternatives out there that do allow me to "hack" out the ads

Re:whatever! (5, Informative)

sinucus (85222) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659693)

"AdBlock often interferes with Gmail's chat features, causing Firefox to crash. Our engineers are working hard to fix the problem, but in the meantime, disable AdBlock for testing purposes, and clear your browser's cache. Then, log back in to GmailAdBlock often interferes with Gmail's chat features, causing Firefox to crash. Our engineers are working hard to fix the problem, but in the meantime, disable AdBlock for testing purposes, and clear your browser's cache. Then, log back in to Gmail"

Well, after I actually RTF, I found that quote. So it appears that the blurb of this article was just FUD and that Adblock is just a temporary glitch and the services will work just fine in the future! Now I can happily go back to google worshipping.

Re:whatever! (4, Interesting)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659938)

Stop being a leech. You're using their services for free. The least you could do (besides absolutely nothing) is look at their ads

Re:whatever! (0, Redundant)

Bungopolis (763083) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659995)

Google has every right to do whatever they want to make sure you're paying for their service by way of viewing their ads. It was part of the deal when you registered your account. Ads are increasingly a part of our world and they don't look like their going to go away anytime soon. As the industry grows it will become harder and harder to employ technology to hide them. The best solution, however, will remain our own brains, which are the best spam-filters known to man. So get your own personal Bayesian ad-recognition database populated as soon as possible by disabling Adblock!

Re:whatever! (2, Informative)

gkhan1 (886823) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660005)

You don't have to disable adblock completely , you could just whitelist the page. Don't be such a fuddy-duddy :P

Use AdBlock Plus (3, Informative)

Lawrence Ho (111834) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659638)

I have AdBlock installed, and can't load Gmail
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answe r=30926&topic=1523 [google.com]

Re:Use AdBlock Plus (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659731)

Lovely - the link they provide doesn't even work. I would've expected something better from Google (like, maybe, a link to the Adblock Plus homepage [mozdev.org] )...

Re:Use AdBlock Plus (2, Interesting)

Surt (22457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659765)

Interesting, I wonder why it's not consistent. I use adblock and gmail works fine for me.

Re:Use AdBlock Plus (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659883)

Wokrs fine for me. WinXP/sp2, Ff 1.5.0.1, AdBlock 0.5.3.42

There are several addon filtersets for AdBlock. I wonder could they be the problem. e.g. "AdBlock Filterset.G Updater" - https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?id=1136 [mozilla.org]

P.S. Thou I recall spotting report on Bugzilla report about Ff crash related to AdBlock. I thought it was fixed in 1.5 - it seems not. Bug like that: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31650 7 [mozilla.org]

I noticed (2, Interesting)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659642)

This morning I came to my computer to find that Google Talk had popped up five identical dialogs asking if I wanted to send my logs to my gmail account.

Excited (2, Insightful)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659643)

Not to sound like a Google fanboy, but I absolutely LOVE GTalk for its nice clean interface and lack of smilies.

Can't wait to see what this turns out to be like. Here at school, I can't install Gtalk, so my girlfriend (off at college) communicate through email. This will make this a lot easier.

On a side note, I wonder if Adblock will really screw this up, or if they're just trying to get people to stop blocking their ads.

Check out Meebo (1)

bigsmoke (701591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659699)

Meebo [meebo.com] has already been offering AJAX access to AIM/ICQ, Yahoo IM, Jabber, GTalk and MSN networks for some time now. You should go check it out [meebo.com] now.

Re:Excited (3, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659785)

Not to sound like a Google fanboy, but I absolutely LOVE GTalk for its nice clean interface and lack of smilies.

Yes, because that's the reason to use Google's client... The lack of emoticons! A feature that every client I have ever used allows you to disable anyway.

Re:Excited (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659831)

FWIW, I've never come across an IM client that didn't have the option to disable smilies. I use GAIM because I can still talk to my friends that don't want google talk, and it too is ad free, simplistic, and generally quite nice.

Am I the only one? (2, Insightful)

faloi (738831) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659644)

I'm sort of concerned about the logging of all my IM's. I suppose I know on a logical level that all that stuff is being stored, regardless of the IM client. But I prefer to live in the cloud that tells me my IMs are private and if I don't log 'em, they don't get logged.

Re:Am I the only one? (5, Insightful)

skiman1979 (725635) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659675)

well your IMs aren't really private unless you use some form of encryption. Even then, it would depend on the type of encryption you use.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

Wallslide (544078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659820)

Even encryption won't matter if the person you are chatting with decides to copy/paste your conversation elsewhere. The human side of the equation is always the most troublesome.

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

sheepoo (814409) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659676)

Use settings to turn Chat history off

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659915)

Do you think this will make a difference?

To google, who store every email you ever get, no matter if you delete it or not, for advertising and profiling reasons?

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

KilobyteKnight (91023) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659679)

I'm sort of concerned about the logging of all my IM's. I suppose I know on a logical level that all that stuff is being stored, regardless of the IM client. But I prefer to live in the cloud that tells me my IMs are private and if I don't log 'em, they don't get logged.

It asks if you want to log the chats when you first set it up.

Just tell it you don't want to log chats and have fun in your cloud.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659688)

You have to enable logging (at least right now). It's an opt-in service. By default, your stuff doesn't get logged (at least, as of last night).

Re:Am I the only one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659697)

If you are truly worried about your email and your IMs being logged, don't use it. I use gMail all the time but nothing important is ever sent over it.

If you want it kept secret, use encryption.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

thelem (218540) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659725)

As with all the IM clients I've seen, logging is optional (but extremely useful in my experience). In the case of GMail/Talk it is off by default so you must enable it before it actually starts logging.

Of course the person you are talking to may have logging enabled.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

jheath314 (916607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659838)

In TFA, they say:

a) you have to enable logging (it is off by default)
b) you can always request an "off the record" mode, which turns off logging on both sides of communication.

Of course, "off the record" is easily defeated by "copy, paste", but whatever.

Re:Am I the only one? (5, Informative)

MadMoses (151207) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659751)

RTFA.

1. You can choose whether gmail logs your chats when you first use the feature, and you can change this option in the settings menu at any time.

2. There is even a feature that let's you get "off the record" during a chat. So even if you're having logging enabled, you can go "off the record" during a chat, and what you type afterwards will neither be logged in your gmail account, nor in your chat partner's gmail account.

Sounds good to me.

Re:Am I the only one? (4, Informative)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659799)

Surprise, IM networks are centralized (that is, all what you say goes through a central server, there're chances that IM networks have been grepping into conversations for ej: conversations about people trying to convince people to go to another IM network). In fact, even IRC is centralized. Do you want security? Use end-to-end encryption.

Notice that unifying email and IM DOES have a lot of sense. IM and email are the SAME THING (send text and ocasinally some files), except that IM is instantaneous and email isn't. But there's no reason why you couldn't add a jabber extension which allows you to receive emails, your jabber client would just move them to a MUA. Email is just a particular case of the idea behind IM.

GTalk Chatting = 2 People (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659881)

Of course your IMs are logged! And not necessarily through a computer service of some kind but due to the fact that you are chatting with some other person. They remember what you said no matter what kind of blissful ignorance you float upon.

And since their desire to say and forget might not mirror yours, you should remember that they might index and search your conversations with them.

Re:Am I the only one? (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660025)

Is disabled by defaul, you must do very specific actions to enable that logging.

Now, if you think that one of the advantages of gmail was exactly remember and be able to do good and relevant searches in all your email, adding that to your chat, and even combined with mail (so i.e. you can check if someone said you something from either way), the potential is high.

If watching previous chats worries you, same could be thinked about previous messages, and as with them, you can or not have history at all, or delete the ones that you dont want to save or potentially expose in a future.

I take advantage of searching past gaim chats, but is not very comfortable to search if someone said you who knows when something, joining all in gmail looks like a good idea.

Coming soon (-1, Redundant)

Hyler (99628) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659646)

"It's rolling out to all Gmail accounts within the next few weeks."

Ugh - Already blocked on my machine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659648)

Thanks, Google!

Now, how do I turn it off?

Re:Ugh - Already blocked on my machine (1)

rebill (87977) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659668)

I wonder what the bounty is for the 0-day exploit?

No, wait. I *shudder* to think about what the 0-day exploit will be.

Re:Ugh - Already blocked on my machine (2, Funny)

Snap E Tom (128447) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660027)

You must live in China!

I foresee.... (5, Interesting)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659658)

I foresee a web based api to embed GTalk into your site. This web based chat interface is exactly what I've been waiting for, in fact I personally think they should do away with their desktop counterpart and do voip through an open source plugin of sorts. Using a desktop app just doesn't feel googly, no matter how well ddesigned it may be. Now if only they'd throw in support for GPG signing and/or encrypting in GMail(yes I know it'd kill their compression ratios). If everything was done client side in javascript, I'd imagine the security concern would be fairly low, the only thing I can think of is maybe other programs crawling the browser's memory after you've decrypted your private key client side (does anyone know if this would be an issue?)
Regards,
Steve

Re:I foresee.... (1, Informative)

endrue (927487) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659762)

I know that I have said this before but if you want a web-based chat client you really ought to check out meebo [meebo.com] . Quite impressive really...

Re:I foresee.... (1)

Xeth (614132) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659892)

Now if only they'd throw in support for GPG signing and/or encrypting in GMail(yes I know it'd kill their compression ratios)

Most encryption schemes (especially those operating on text) involve compressing the data first to avoid detectable language patterns. I suppose it still depends how much overhead encrypting a particular chunk of text involves.

Quite a good idea... (0)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659682)

...though not the first. Yahoo messenger does provide an ageold and rudimentary "Java Pager" [yahoo.com] that runs within a browser, but it's woefully out of date and buggy.

And frankly, Google Talk didn't bring anything new to the table...I am one of those people who installed it just to give it a spin, and reverted back to Yahoo Messenger (which btw is also available in a little outdated Unix Version [yahoo.com] ) and Gaim, since the "Voice Call" functionality was just overhyped functionality which already existed in all other popular messengers.

A seamless integration with GMail is something that could certainly get them a userbase...if properly implemented. The reasons for using GMail Chat [google.com] as they state in the FAQ are certainly valid, and archiving/searching the chat archives like email would certainly boost my ability to pull up relevant conversations...the current "Archiving" feature in Yahoo Messenger and the like has plenty of room for improvement.

How to Block Chat but not Mail (2, Interesting)

TrebLib (760998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659701)

I wonder if it is possible to block google talk within google mail.

Re:How to Block Chat but not Mail (1)

ClearlyPennsylvania (918245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659784)

Depends what you mean by "block". At the bottom of the screen, you can disable it.

Re:How to Block Chat but not Mail (0)

TrebLib (760998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659822)

whoops !! I meant with a proxy (ie squid).

What the world needs now... (1)

butterwise (862336) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659705)

...is another chat client. Yeah, like I need a whole in my head.

chat with people or advertisers? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659709)

AC: Hey! What you been up to? :-D
GCA: same old same old. workin 9-5 sux teh bawls :-\
AC: tell me about it! i hardly have time to utorrent warez anymore :-P
GCA: Hey, I've got a quick and easy site you can go to for warez [warezhq.com] if you want. 8-)
AC: nah, that's okay, I've got to go make dinner.
GCA: whatcha makin? ;-)
AC: just some chicken and some veggies :-$
GCA: you could spice up that chicken with some worchester sauce [leaperrins.com] :-D
AC: No... I'm good thanks. :-\
AC: What's up with all the links, Allison?
GCA: Allison?
AC: Aren't you Grand Canyon Alli? From the spring break trip?
GCA: ... yeeeeaaaah.. I just wanted to help you make dinner ;)
AC: OMG You're a Google Chat Advertiser!! :-O

Re:chat with people or advertisers? (1)

thijs_w (876018) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659884)

Luckily, Google isn't that smart that it can decrypt OTR-encrypted chatlogs: My Gmail Chatbox [linux-box.nl]

Disable Adblock? (3, Funny)

verloren (523497) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659732)

You can unblock my ads when you pry it from my cold...no, wait...I'll uninstall Adblock when I pry it from your...no, that's not it...I'll pry Adblock from...

Ain't gonna happen.

Re:Disable Adblock? (1)

Ninjy (828167) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659828)

From what I've seen from one of the links somebody else pasted to Google Mail's FAQ, all you can install AdBlock Plus and whitelist mail.google.com which is, apparently, enough. I haven't found a "BLOCK OUR ADS AND SUFFER" anywhere yet.

Gmail display language (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659757)

I changed my Gmail display language from English (UK) to English (US) and got "Chats" in my sidebar. Odd.

The whole point of email is to avoid "instant" IMO (2, Interesting)

bbzzdd (769894) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659760)

The whole reason I use email is that I don't want to talk (chat) with people realtime. I like to respond on my terms. Now my gmail contacts are going to want to up and chat with me all of the time?

Hopefully this feature can be disabled. I love gmail for it's simplicity, but now they are encroaching on feature bloat.

Re:The whole point of email is to avoid "instant" (5, Informative)

ClearlyPennsylvania (918245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659996)

See bottom of screen - "Standard with Chat" vs "Standard without Chat". You can disable it entirely. Or, you can just sign off on the chat window.

Reimplementing AOL (-1, Troll)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659782)

Pretty soon Google will reach the level of sophistication AOL offered in 1993. Amazing.

I wonder when they'll install a way to access Gopher and FTP sites?

Re:Reimplementing AOL (3, Insightful)

Nevenmrgan (826707) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659853)

In the course of this morning, I logged on to four different computers, three of which aren't mine. I visited just one page on each computer - google.com/ig. I logged in and was able to check my email, news, the weather, movies for tonight, comments on my Flickr photos, a few friends' blogs, some cool quotes, and now this story. And soon, IM.

If AOL ever offered, currently offers, or is planning on ever offering this level of user-friendliness, content consolidation, and ease/speed of use, all for free, all without the need to install anything on the client computer, I will buy you a beer, sir.

Re:Reimplementing AOL (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659872)

Many AOL subscribers use ONLY the web-based front end to the service (including mail, news, file transfer stuff, etc). Actually works pretty well, including the mail front end, which is very similar to the interfaces provided by the big three portals.

Re:Reimplementing AOL (1)

v783650 (948198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660017)

The google.com/ig interface is pretty sweet, but why isn't there any SSL? I don't want my Gmail transferred in plaintext!

What if chat is against Use policies? (1)

Pozican (864054) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659812)

I know my school, for example only can block the live chat version of yahoo. The only reason they could block myspace was because of the live chat. Looking at the current way gmail works, I'm pretty sure they are too stupid to find a way to block JUST the instant chat (like they did with yahoo) without blocking the entire service (like they did with myspace, which wasn't a bad thing) Seems, like I could have to move away from gmail, when they put this into use :( On a side note, I'm betting I could EVEN MORE time on gmail now!

Re:What if chat is against Use policies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659878)

Are you sure it isn't because MySpace is not "school related"? I find it hard to believe they would just block something on the basis of being a chat service alone but allow you to waste time on MySpace otherwise if it didn't have chat.

Re:What if chat is against Use policies? (1)

787style (816008) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660074)

Where I work doesn't allow instant messanging programs to be used, I am curious how this will be affected.

MeeBo (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659817)

I don't know how many other people use IM on a webpage... but I have been for a while through Meebo. Check it out, you can do your GTalk on there as well as AIM Yahoo MSN etc.

Nice addition though, one less page to launch in Safari.

Calvin K.

too-much-contact-with-contacts (-1, Troll)

Kuku_monroe (753761) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659829)

You can try to run, but not to hide. Now all your contacts can track your every move while in Gmail. Say byebye to your personal-internet-privacy while the google team decides wheter or not to put a "invisible" button/option

Re:too-much-contact-with-contacts (2, Insightful)

ClearlyPennsylvania (918245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660014)

Or... you can just disable the chat part at the bottom of the screen. Or... you can just sign off to the chat part. Seriously, relax. If you don't want the chat part, you don't have to use it.

I've never had Gmail crash with Adblock... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659846)

I've used various versions of both Firefox and Adblock and never have I had it crash. Maybe I am lucky.

Using GTalk to Connect to other networks? (1)

Vicsun (812730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659848)

Ever since GTalk was released there was talk of the ability of the jabber protocol (which Google Talk is based on) to connect to other networks such as MSN, AOL or Yahoo. How has this progressed? Is it currently possible?

Re:Using GTalk to Connect to other networks? (1)

jaseuk (217780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659968)

It's now possible to talk to other jabber servers, although nothing as yet to bridge other incompatible IM networks.

I forsee no more gmail access from work... (2, Interesting)

ncttrnl (773936) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659893)

Thanks to people generally not being able to control themselves with chat programs, I forsee a fairly swift blocking of gmail through most corporate firewalls to protect productivity.

AWESOME (1)

DizzyDanMD (530054) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659895)

If this is as good as everything else google does, its gonna be a good time. What do you guys think of AIM and MSN(cough cough gaggle choke) integration?

Daniel Zubairi
http://www.choosedan.com/ [choosedan.com]

Whitelist Google in Adblock Plus? (3, Informative)

guspasho (941623) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659948)

I'm using Adblock Plus which has the whitelist feature.

1) Couldn't one just whitelist anything that comes from Google? I haven't been "rolled out" yet, I don't see any indication of Gtalk in my Gmail account, so I can't try this for myself.

2) Can someone who does try it let us know what we need to add to the whitelist to make it work? Thanks.

This FP for 9gNAA (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14659964)

These e4r7y

Yeah, right... (1)

gfxguy (98788) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659989)

They'll peel AdBlock from my COLD DEAD HANDS!

Only Windows? (1)

zorgaliscious (619362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14659999)

Worked in Firefox on PC.. but doesnt on MacOS X. Using latest FF.. and I even tried disabling AdBlock. no go. Also Safari no go. However chatting through Adium still logged the chat...

Hideous (0, Troll)

ozziegt (865751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660013)

Has anyone even looked at the screenshots? The UI is cluttered and confusing. On top of that how do they PUSH new IMs to you in a web-based client?

BCC (5, Funny)

jaaronc (935420) | more than 8 years ago | (#14660028)

Actually, this was technology that google had to incorporate in order to get Google Talk into China...all chat logs are BCC'd to the chinese government...

Web Clips? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14660055)

I'm still waiting for web clips on my UK account. Doubt I'll see this chat either..
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