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Apple Launches 1 GB nano, Slashes shuffle

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the new-toys-for-you-sota-freaks dept.

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minus_273 writes "Apple has has released a new nano and also slashed prices on the iPod shuffle. The lowest end iPod now goes for $69. The 1 GB shuffle is $99 and the 1 GB nano is $149." From the article: "'The price of components have come down more than 70 percent, especially flash memory for the shuffle,' he said. 'And the price of the shuffle hadn't changed, so they were making a ton of profit off the shuffle. So they're passing some of those savings on.'"

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Wha?? (3, Insightful)

helmutvs (912204) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661592)

Could it be... reasonably priced high-demand items from Apple? I though I would never see the day. Nonetheless... I want one :)

Re:Wha?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14662816)

Reasonably priced, but with a missing feature that's available on the iPod shuffle but not the Nano. In iTunes, only when an iPod Shuffle is plugged in, but not a Nano, you can have iTunes convert audio to AAC-128 when loading it into the iPod. Very useful if you only have 1GB of space, and you encode with higher rates.

I wonder if now that the 1GB Nano has the same small amount of space as the 1GB Shuffle, whether they will finally enable this feature for the Nano as well.

(My 4GB nano only holds 185 songs because I chose Apple Lossless to encode my music)

So cheap (2, Funny)

radicalskeptic (644346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661601)

Wow, they're so cheap, I'm gonna buy two!
No, six!
No, twelve!
I told you that I'm crazy for those iPods, cousin!

You can call us Aaron Burr... (4, Funny)

kentyman (568826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661917)

...from the way we're droppin' Hamiltons!

Re:You can call us Aaron Burr... (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663146)

Mr. Pibb + Red Lace = CRAZY DELICIOUS

If I see one more iPod... (3, Funny)

TheBig33Tuna (949011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661604)


Re:If I see one more iPod... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661913)

In that case, good sir, can I interest you in an iBlindfold? Or would you prefer to stay holed up in your mother's basement?

Re:If I see one more iPod... (1)

TheBig33Tuna (949011) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662278)

can I interest you in an iOriginal iJoke? >>iVomit oh, wait...

Re:If I see one more iPod... (2, Insightful)

boogahboogah (310475) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662469)

What about all the other MP3/OGG units on the market ?

My MPIO 20GB unit is 1/4 filled, only because I haven't spent the time yet to drop in another 50-90 albums (Whoops- CD's). Too much music for you ? Try touring 2 weeks on a motorcycle & see if having to listen to the same tunes 20 times doesn't get just a little bit irritating (like almost every commercial radio station out there, playing the same crap over & over, songs you've heard every week for the last 20 years of your life).

Re:If I see one more iPod... (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662655)

Introducing the iPuke! The latest iPod offering from Apple, the iPuke is a 1G iPod shuffle that comes pre-loaded with Celine Dion songs!

Re:If I see one more iPod... (1)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662866)

or how about the special edition iiiBop. filled with... you guessed it... those zany washed-out hanson brothers.

Perfect timing (4, Interesting)

splatterboy (815820) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661624)

Oh that Jobs, just in time for Valentines Day...

Re:Perfect timing (1)

iamlucky13 (795185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662161)

On another business-related tangent, I love this quote from the article:
...and launched a smaller-capacity version of its mid-priced iPod nano, sending its shares up as much as 3 percent.
Yes, it's a decent supposition that stock prices went up because of the new product release, but statements like these are the reason why I generally take everything I hear from reporters, economists, and businessmen with a big grain of salt.

70% reduction in component costs? I guess perhaps we aren't seeing the same price-fixing by flash memory makes that the wonderful RAM manufacturers gave us.

Re:Perfect timing (4, Funny)

linguae (763922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663123)

Oh that Jobs, just in time for Valentines Day...

Time to buy myself an iPod, I suppose.

Re:Perfect timing (1)

ThousandStars (556222) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663145)

Funny you write that -- I received an e-mail from Apple on Feb. 3 promoting iPods, and the headline says "Sweep yourself off your feet." The iPod's headphones split to form a heart. Reading that e-mail made me wonder about the loneliness of modern societies, which marketers apparently think they can exploit through trying to create a greater connection between a person and a company than a person and a person. Will an iPod really assuage anyone's feelings at being left out of Valentine's Day?

iCheap idea (-1, Flamebait)

hawaiiinsomniac (940384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661645)

I cant wait to get the .5 gig nano for $99, oh wait... that only holds 3 techno songs... Why would people buy this?

Re:iCheap idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661782)

$69, not $99

120 songs, not 3

Otherwise, you make a lot of sense.

Re:iCheap idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661839)

Otherwise, you make a lot of sense.
yah, if you remove the old post, he does make sense...

Re:iCheap idea (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661831)

3 techno songs is all you need - they pretty much all sound the same

Re:iCheap idea (1)

Laserwulf (951642) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662761)

*pulls on asbestos suit* With that logic, the same could be said about hip-hop, R&B, heavy metal, or just about any other genre you don't like. Because it appeals to emotions, music is a completely subjective thing. Just because you don't understand its nuances, that doesn't make any genre inherently bad or stupid. Have you ever tried composing a techno song (that doesn't sound like bad videogame music)? It's harder than you might think.

eh (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661673)

who gives a fuck. and first post.

A good thing, well, sort of... (3, Insightful)

ursabear (818651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661679)

This is a good thing. It will make the iPod more accessible...

Apple will definitely do well with these, given the current reputation of iPods.

Now, if I had just waited until now to buy the kids their 1GB iPods...

That is the most worthless comment I've ever read. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14662301)

Given the popularity of PC's, Microsoft will do well with Vista. Who knew?

Re:A good thing, well, sort of... (1)

Excelsior (164338) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663143)

This is a good thing. It will make the iPod more accessible...

Yes, this is a great deal for people that will pay 60% of the price for 1/4 the space. Apple is always trying to make things more accessible for us common folk.

Feh (2, Interesting)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661697)

I got a 2 gig Nano for Christmas (no complaints mind you), but I already filled it up on the day that I started moving files to it Even then I am constantly scratching my head trying to figure out what songs I can delete so I can squeeze in another favorite song I just picked up.

I could only imagine what the 1gb would be like, but I suppose if you wanted to give someone an iPod on the cheep or had a small music collection then it would be the best route to go.

I had thought about returning it and getting a 4gb nano, but I think that would be rude to the person who got it for me. And come to think of it, I would want around 10+ gb to satisfy my musical needs anways.

Maybe we'll see higher memories by Christmas this year or next.

Re:Feh (5, Insightful)

Sepodati (746220) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661769)

Just create a playlist that selects a random 1 or 2 Gig and loads them onto the iPod. Delete all the songs from the playlist and it grabs another random 1 or 2 Gig and reloads the iPod. You can customize the playlists pretty well, so talk, podcasts, etc. aren't included unless you want them to.

---John Holmes...

Re:Feh (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662240)

Just create a playlist that selects a random 1 or 2 Gig and loads them onto the iPod. Delete all the songs from the playlist and it grabs another random 1 or 2 Gig and reloads the iPod.

I actually did that the first time I setup the Nano. However, I'm kind of leary of constantly read/writing/erasing an entire flash drive over and over again. But maybe that limited number of writes issue with flash memory is over rated.

Secondly, I discovered I don't like to listen to most of my music collection since I am still old fashioned and buy CD's and the rip them (at 256kps). Finding that I may only like one song out of an album doesn't help this either.

Re:Feh (1)

Sepodati (746220) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662371)

Create a playlist of stuff you DO like, then, and select a random amount out of that. ;)

The write issues may be valid, but I'm confident the iPod will fail for other reasons before I have to worry about that. (Plus, only changed songs are reloaded).

---John Holmes...

Re:Feh (1)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662898)

You need to rate your songs. Yes, it takes a while but it is so worth it. Then you can have playlists with songs >3 stars, etc. The Party Shuffle in iTunes will also play higher-rated songs more often if you check the box. I have enjoyed my collection much more since I undertook the massive rating task.

Re:Feh (1)

arloguthrie (318071) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663041)

FWIW, my 6GB iPod mini (I know, I'm positively retro at this point) syncs with three playlists:
  1. Everything that's 5 stars
  2. A random playlist of 600 songs rated three or four stars
  3. A playlist of everything I've added in the last two months
  4. A random playlist of 100 unrated songs.
That way, I always have what I like and what's new to me, and I can rate songs in chunks (downtime on the train, etc). The only problem is that I have to update the iPod twice to see changes; iTunes doesn't sync changes to ratings before it starts copying/replacing songs. But that's a small price to pay to keep my small amount of space useful with minimum effort.

Re:Feh (1)

rcamera (517595) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662922)

I'm kind of leary of constantly read/writing/erasing an entire flash drive over and over again...

just remember - every time you listen to a song, it increments the counter of how many times that song has played so it can be transfered back to itunes, so the database subdirectory of your ipod (or is it a file?) gets the most wear & tear. if you get a stuck bit somewhere in there, who knows what impact it could have on the rest of the device.

Re:Feh (1, Informative)

cetan (61150) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662971)


You mean the writing and deleting every second for 70 years before seeing any degredation kind of limit?

I don't know what you have been reading, but you will never wear out a solid state storage device. Ever.

Re:Feh (1)

the_real_bto (908101) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663075)

The lowest rating I've ever heard for flash memory is 10,000 writes. If you swap out every byte of the flash two times a day, you will hit 10,000 writes in 13 years. Many flash chips are rated at 100,000 writes. Note that the write rating isn't for the whole device, but for a sector of the flash. Wear leveling will help smaller transfers to be distributed over different sectors. Writing the whole flash negates the wear levelling though. I am not an expert, but I have trashed a few flash chips before :)

If we were to write a program to stress test a nano, I would bet that the number of writes it took before trashing would be well over 10,000.

Re:Feh (1)

ursabear (818651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661832)

I completely understand this... I am the happy owner of a 4GB nano (wouldn't trade it for the world, an anniversary present). Since most of the music on my iPod is uncompressed AIFF files, it only holds so much music. I could fill up a 1GB Nano in a heart-beat.

That said, my kids don't mind MP3s at all. When they make playlists, they get quite a bit of their favorite tunes on their 1GB shuffles...

Re:Feh (4, Interesting)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661993)

Think of the small pods (2 gig and down) as miniature radio stations. Don't try to cram a ton of albums on there, but make a smart playlist of 2 gigabytes (or whatever size) of highly rated music (or highly played, or not played in the last two weeks, or any combination, etc.) and have the ipod automatically load that. That's what I do for my 1 gig shuffle.

But it is nice to also have the 60 gig iPod to tote all of my music around on :-)

Re:Feh (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662039)

My MP3 player is a Digisette, which is shaped like a cassette tape and plays in a tape player. (I have a convertible and won't put in a custom stereo.)

It holds 350 MB, including the on-board memory and a plug-in MMC expansion card.

For my car music, I craft a playlist that specifically includes music I want to hear while driving. In other words, mostly music I can sing along to. =) Fortunately I'm pretty tolerant of repetition; I recently updated the playlist, but before that I listened to the same 5 hours of music on rotation for two years.

At work, though, I have 8.5 GB in a folder on my PC, all on Winamp shuffle..

My next player, when it is finally time to retire the Digisette, will be large enough to hold everything.

Everything vs. somethings (2, Insightful)

dazedNconfuzed (154242) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662303)

I have a 1GB Shuffle. The 1GB & 2GB Nanos won't be much different.

The point of having/using a small-memory player is not to put your whole collection on there, or to have lots of "if I want" music on there, it's to store those dozen or so albums you are ACTIVELY listening to (or a random mix if you really don't care).

In no way is it meant to hold one's collection; you keep the whole collection on the computer & pick a few things you know you'll want. Small & large storage spaces require very different usage behaviors.


The biggest loss from terminating the Shuffle is the built-in USB plug - one less cable to drag around. The Nano doesn't even have a USB socket; instead there's another specialized cable to fill up bag/briefcase space with. The "thumbdrive" format was just so very convenient, both for data transfer and recharging.


Re:Everything vs. somethings (1)

ucahg (898110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662510)

You realize that the shuffle is still around (at least for now)?

Re:Feh (1)

kindbud (90044) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662307)

Oh man, you need to use a bunch of smart playlists. I have the playlist for my Nano 4G made up of several smart playlists, which select songs based on my ratings, how new the song is, how long it has been since I last listened to it, how many times I've listened, etc etc. Every time I plug it in, I get a different mix of songs, but it still keeps new songs and favorites around, too.

Re:Feh (2, Funny)

splatterboy (815820) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662432)

Im sure the person who gave you the present would tell you not to feel inferior, that size isn't everything... just work on your, um, 'deleting' and 'squeezing' skills...

The point is the price tiering, not you personally (1)

ianscot (591483) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662531)

Okay, so you seem to fit a certain spot on the $50-a-step ladder of iPod prices... And apparently you can't imagine belonging to some other tier.

Apple's been very shrewd since Jobs's return about presenting consumers with simple, tiered pricing arrangements. Across most of its product lines you're looking at something like a "good - better - best" set of choices to start with.

In the case of iPods you have more steps in the ladder, but it works about the same. The golden rule there is something like "fifty bucks for the next one." For around $50 more, you can always get to the next step in the ladder with more storage or more and better features. In that sense this move makes loads of sense -- even if the 1 GB nano doesn't have what you personally need. The lowest shuffle moves down, the 1GB shuffle hits a $100, adding the nano's screen is another fifty, and so on.

I'm kind of relieved to see Apple not losing its pricing discipline. It's a pricing model that plainly works. The new intel boxes have come out with only a couple of basic configurations, though, and somehow that's ringing false for me...

Sounds like a good deal... (4, Interesting)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661698)

...but right now Apple is selling a refurbished 20GB iPod for $189 [] . I think I'd rather go for that one (if I was in a market for iPods).

Re:Sounds like a good deal... (1)

Sepodati (746220) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661827)

Size matters... the size of the iPod that is, not storage (to some people).

Nah, I have an iPod (5, Insightful)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661869)

The NANO never made sense for its cost compared to regular iPods. What made sense is having a screen as well as no moving parts. $149 is almost an impulse buy these days in this market.

I can easily make a play list or two to for times when the nano is more relevant than the full blown iPod. Any truly physical sport comes to mind. I have had my iPod take unplanned jumps to the ground that made me flinch (and reboot it more than once). I would feel much better knowing there isn't something that might suffer serious damage in a fall in there.

Re:Sounds like a good deal... (3, Insightful)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661995)

That's not the point. If you want to take your whole music collection, get a 30GB or 60GB full-size.

The shuffle was meant for a whole different user. It's made to take to the gym or go running with. You don't always need a screen and a complicated interface for that type of activity. I know you'll say the ipod's interface isn't that complicated, but it is when you're riding a motorcycle. I just want start, stop, next track, and volume. plus, hanging it around your neck is super-conventient for the types of activites that the shuffle is meant for. not to mention it's a great generic usb flashdrive to boot.

my sister sold her 1st gen 5GB ipod to buy a 512 shuffle. she enjoys it alot more, and ends up actually using it, where her old ipod sat in her purse.

Re:Sounds like a good deal... (3, Insightful)

nvrrobx (71970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662120)

That depends entirely on what you're doing with the iPod, really. I have an iPod Shuffle that gets used for running, working out, etc. It's solid state - I don't have to worry about damaging a hard drive.

I went skiing this weekend and forgot my Shuffle, but had my regular iPod. Did I risk exposing it to water and the forces that exist as I tumbled down the mountain? No - that surely would have destroyed it.

They both have their markets. You just may not be the market for the solid state one.

Re:Sounds like a good deal... (1)

peterarm (95041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662564)

Actually, your iPod would have probably been fine skiing (just put it in an inside pocket), unless you are really extreme or really do tumble the whole way down :-) (I have a shuffle and a regular iPod, and I only use the shuffle when running -- I use the regular iPod for anything else, including snowboarding. It works great snowboarding, since it's not being bounced up and down constantly like it is if I'm running.

Passing savings on? (2, Funny)

arkham6 (24514) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661700)

I thought that was only economic utopia, not reachable in the real world.

Ptah, passing savings on to customers? as if!

Re:Passing savings on? (1)

kwieland in stl (830615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662444)

I thought that was only economic utopia, not reachable in the real world.

Don't you mean itopia?

Passing on the savings to us... (2, Informative)

G Samsonoff (161576) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661703)

So they should. The Shuffle is a flimsy, easily damaged product (I have owned two 512 MB units). Its advertised as a unit to use when exercising, but my experience has been that it is not robust enough to be used in any situation where you and the Shuffle are in motion... Both of mine experienced a steady degradation of the rear slider switch after getting a little damp, to the point where the first one does not power on at all, and the second only works in "sequential" mode - it will no longer shuffle, and I have to cycle the switch on/off many times to get it to start playing. The only reason I persevere with it is due to its small form factor. At $99 a pop I felt ripped off, at $69 it would be border-line acceptable...

Re:Passing on the savings to us... (3, Insightful)

wornst (317182) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662132)

Did you bring your shuffle to the sauna? If you knew it was going to get wet, why not spring for the apple water resistant case? I know, you already spent money on the product, why should you have to spend more on an addon? I got a shuffle last year and it's been fine especially because I sprang for the case. Water and electronics don't mix. Just take better care of your electronics.

Re:Passing on the savings to us... (1)

adpowers (153922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662996)

I have a Rio PMP 300 SE sitting around some where. I brought it on a camping trip one time many years ago. I put it in the little side flap overnight, only to wake up and see it sitting in a fair amount of water. I took out the battery, let it dry out for a few days, and it still worked. That thing was dropped so many times and it just kept going. It still works to this day.

Re:Passing on the savings to us... (4, Funny)

RelaxedTension (914174) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662150)

Maybe you should have read the part that said not to be used while swimming, wrestling, or playing rugby.

Re:Passing on the savings to us... (3, Insightful)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662495)

christ what the hell are you doing with those things????

I have dropped kicked thrown and accidentally gotten my shuffle stuck in a door (yay public school IT support) and its only got a few nicks in it.

the thing is like a Lego brick, I cant imagine what you did to it to get it to be trashed other than to put it into water....

Sounds like the shuffle is about to... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661714)

... shuffle off its mortal coil. Which is kind of a shame, because it's by far the best iPod model for running and gym work. I may take advantage of the lower prices to pick up a couple of spares...

My problem... (-1, Troll)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661725)

I made a post like this on digg, and was promptly moderaded to -3 (actually, all my comments start at -3 there since I told Kevin Rose to go fuck himself, but that's not the point here)... I don't get the obsession with the nano or the mini. I just purchased a 60 gig iPod. I upgraded from a 40 gig 4g pre-photo and can't even look at my 4g without wondering how it lasted a year. My music collection was limited to 40 gigs, and now is slowly growing again. I have 15 gigs of videos and 4 gigs of space left on my iPod... without it, I don't know how I'd go a day at work. I can't see why anyone would want to bring only 240 songs with them. When for $250 more they can bring ALL of their songs. If your budget says "$150 is it for mp3 players" go to eBay and find a 3rd or 4th gen iPod. Hell, I'll sell my 40 gig 4g for $200 + shipping if you're interested. My point is, why get something as small as a gig, when you can get 60 gigs for a little bit more?

Re:My problem... (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661823)

And about the "great for working out" thing, the 60 gig loads the next bunch of songs in the playlist to 64 megs of memory, and only spins up for about 10 seconds every 45 minutes or so. The 40 gig I had only spun up every half hour. I've gone 4-wheeling for 3+ hours and never had any problems with my iPod.

Re:My problem... (1)

Sawbones (176430) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661889)

Not counting the obvious "It's Apple, must own!" quality of the nano and the mini - the obsession comes from the fact that eventually form factor wins out over budget. Sure I could take my iPod photo biking with me, or to the gym, or whatever, but it would play hell on the hard drive whereas the shuffle won't notice it at all. At least that's the reason I own both an ipod and a smaller (non shuffle) solid state player.

Re:My problem... (1)

wedgewu (701989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661898)

Because not everyone listens to music the same way you do.

Smaller iPod is better for me because 1) I don't listen to that much music, and 2) the less weight in my purse, the better - I have to save room for my other gadgets =P

Besides, the larger ones don't use flash memory right? With the moving parts it's not as ideal for exercising, which is why my roommate wants a shuffle.

And back in the days of the Mini... I could get it in pink. I'm not kidding, I almost bought one solely for that reason.

Re:My problem... (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662100)

Your purse? Gadgets? It's nice to finally get to talk to you, Mr. Nick Starr.

The size of the Nano compared to the full on 60 gig video is nothing. The 60g is smaller than a deck of cards!

And about the working out, read my other comment. The hard drive spins up so rarely that it's not an issue.

Re:My problem... (2, Insightful)

wedgewu (701989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662842)

Who the heck is Nick Starr? Forgive me, I am ignorant.

I carry a DS and a PSP with me usually (games are more important than music to me), so every little bit of space helps. The Nano is significantly smaller and thinner - I could probably fit one into my pants pockets. And don't even try to tell me that I'd fit a 60GB ipod into a pocket. Girls pants aren't designed like that.

I don't have an ipod yet (since I don't listen to music much), but I've been watching very closely to decide which one I want. If it weren't for the video feature of the new ipods, I would definitely go with the nano.

Re:My problem... (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661903)

I have 15 gigs of videos and 4 gigs of space left on my iPod... without it, I don't know how I'd go a day at work. I can't see why anyone would want to bring only 240 songs with them.

And how do you go about listening to more than 240 songs in an 8-hour day, exactly? Do you listen to two minutes of each song?

The full-on iPod is great if, like me, you enjoy selecting albums to listen to on the spur of the moment, but most people just let the MP3 player randomly shuffle their entire playlist, and the iPod shuffle is designed to do exactly that, by pre-caching multiple hours of shuffled music onto the flash drive. It's not for everybody, but I could see how some people would really like it.

Re:My problem... (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662043)

Because my music taste is so varied, I don't know what I want to listen to for the whole day ahead of time. I go from A3 to QotSA to comedy.

Re:My problem... (2, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662231)

So, you know that your music taste is exceptionally varied, and you need the spontaneity more than most other folks do, yet you still "can't see" why "anyone" would want a Shuffle?

That's kind of myopic, isn't it?

offtopic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661927)

Funny post, now I know why people like digg better, you can moderate someone beyond -1 !

Re:My problem... (1)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661957)

That's the beauty of the iPod pricing structure. There's one for everyone, because not everyone who has a large music collection (like you and I) needs to have it on them 24/7 (like me). I don't need to hear an Eminem song and then Vivaldi Four Seasons back to back. :)

Re:My problem... (2, Interesting)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662001)

I bought a 4GB nano last month, and chose it specifically.
The mainthing I like about it is the robust flash memory and it's small form.

I know I could get 6 times the space for 50$ more, and it's not that I couldn't afford it.
But I'm not fixated on keeping my entire music collection on one handheld device. Sure, it's less work, but most music I only listen to on short term and put something else on later. It kinda stops me getting ored from the same selection aswell.

I just like my nano more than I'd like the standard model.

Re:My problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14662321)

... without it, I don't know how I'd go a day at work

Let me get this straight... they PAY you to sit around and listen to music and watch videos? Either you've got the best job in the world, or you're about to get fired.

Re:My problem... (1)

SenorCitizen (750632) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662676)

I don't see why you would "limit" your music collection to 40 GB - your iPod is not the limit. I've got a 1G iPod mini and a 165 GB collection. There's no player on the market that would hold all of that, but why would I even want one? I want a small device, and there's no way I need to have all my music with me, all the time.

Besides, I'm not buying another MP3 player that doesn't have gapless MP3 playback. THAT's the big problem with iPods, IMO.

Re:My problem... (1)

discstickers (547062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662715)

I use a 1GB Shuffle for snowboarding. Even that is probably overkill. I don't listen to more than 1GB worth of music in a single session. That and it's cheap, so I don't have to worry about breaking anything.

Re:My problem... (2, Insightful)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662914)

My point is, why get something as small as a gig, when you can get 60 gigs for a little bit more?

Because it fits your needs, elegantly and simply? In a lot of ways your current post is like saying, "Why get a BMW 3-series when you could get a Crown Victoria for less money?" Size, contrary to popular belief, is far from everything.

Change the headline! (5, Informative)

camt (162536) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661728)

The headline, "Apple Launches 1 GB Nano, Slashes Shuffle", makes it sound like Apple has stopped selling the Shuffle, especially considering the recent coverage of all the reasons Apple has for cancelling the Shuffle [] .

Re:Change the headline! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14662783)

Then it makes you read some more to find out what the story is. :)

Re:Change the headline! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14662880)

You must be new here.

Wrong way! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14661743)

I have an original 5 GB iPod. I really want a new nano, but I just can't justify spending all that money for one that holds *less* of my music than my 5-year-old one.

When there's an 8 GB nano, I'll be at my Apple store the next day.

Re:Wrong way! (3, Funny)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662360)

Get a Video instead. My old 5gig died recently, and that gave me the excuse to upgrade. I fucking LOVE this thing. I want it inside me. I'm busy getting all my brother in law's Futurama and Family Guy DVD's ripped to it, and I'll have plenty of room to spare. The battery lasted over 21 hours when I plugged the headphones in and left it shuffling all day. Impressive.

Re:Wrong way! (4, Funny)

karnal (22275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662509)

I want it inside me.

You may want to buy a waterproof case for it if you.... want it.. "inside you"...

iTunes contest (0, Offtopic)

adpowers (153922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661814)

Sort of offtopic, but if you are looking for new music for you nano, try to by near a round number. Apple is doing another countdown contest [] as they approach 1 billion songs. The person who gets the 1 billionth song gets an iMac, 10 iPods, and a $10k gift card.

Re:iTunes contest (1)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662015)

In addition, Apple will create a full-ride scholarship in your name to a world-renowned music school. Just think: You could help launch the careers of an entire generation of musicians.

Wow, that's awesome.

Re:iTunes contest (1)

Laserwulf (951642) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662374)

I can't help but wonder, what would a person do with 10 iPods, aside from give away 9 as gifts or sell them on eBay? (This isn't meant to be flamebait, I just honestly couldn't think of a reason to own 10 MP3 players.)

Re:iTunes contest (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662609)

I think thats the whole point, they WANT them to give them away to people. The more iPods out there, the more people who might visit iTunes Music Store or who might enjoy the iPod so much, they buy a Mac (which acourding to recent statistics actually seems to be working for Apple.)

I'm ready to upgrade my 512MB shuffle (1)

theurge14 (820596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14661930)

I bought my suffle the week that Jobs announced it during his keynote in January 2005. About a month later I discovered it wouldn't play anything purchased from the iTunes Music Store. I was told there was a bad batch of the first shuffles and Apple replaced it immediately. Since then I've enjoyed the heck out of it up until this past month. The USB connector on the bottom of the shuffle came loose and popped out one day when I took it out of the USB port on my computer. Apparently one of the two the plastic latches that holds the shuffle came loose due to wear and tear. With expert hands I applied two fine lines of Crazy Glue and my shuffle is back in the saddle again.

And then I drop the white headphones on the floor yesterday and accidentally step on the right ear bud. So now it only plays in the left headphones.

So it appears this shuffle was only built to last about a year, perhaps two. And no, I did not fork out more cash for AppleCare for the cheapest freaking iPod they offer!

Nano? Maybe, I think I might just wait until this shuffle dies completely and spring for the biggest iPod.

Re:I'm ready to upgrade my 512MB shuffle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14662664)

you can buy different headphones.

Re:I'm ready to upgrade my 512MB shuffle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14663077)

Maybe, just maybe it wasn't designed for its parts to be stepped on. And if you stepped on your earphones (they are earphone, not toephones), I can only imagine what you did to tear out the USB connector.

Forget the nano and shuffle (5, Interesting)

LennyDotCom (26658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662126)

Send an ipod to your senator to fight against the broadcast flag and audio flag []

But Senator Stevens, the 82-year old committee chairman from Alaska, surprised the audience by announcing that his daughter had bought him an iPod.
Suddenly, Stevens had a much greater understanding of the many ways innovative technology can create choice for consumers. Content industry representatives at the hearing found themselves answering much tougher questions than they typically receive.


Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14662314)

That is an amazingly cool idea for a very deserving cause.

Re:Forget the nano and shuffle (3, Funny)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663051)

Something like this was done in Finland relating to the DMCA-like amendments that went into the copyright law at the start of this year. The Minister of Culture, who is a the main figurehead for the new law, was given an MP3 player and an encrypted music CD for Christmas. She was told to get busy ripping the CD before while it was still legal.

Och samma på finska []

Any other changes? (1)

mekane8 (729358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662145)

So... All they did to the Nano was shrink the memory? There's no mention of whether there were any other "improvements". I've been holding off on getting a Nano (despite how much I want one) because of the rumors about the screen getting scratched easily. ( _scratching/ [] )

Were those rumors overblown? And if not, I wonder why Apple didn't promote a solution to that along with these changes.

sorry folks, but i really dont understand nano (2, Interesting)

zr (19885) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662183)

looks cool and everything, but what is it for?

i have a full fledged ipod (g5 w/ video) and that works great for keeping my total music collection. its fragile, but that's fine, because i don't use it to work out nor otherwise place it in situations of physical danger.

i also have ishuffle, and i use it for jogging and i know it'll never break. there's no hard drive, no display, nothing. and its light as a feather. no extra protection or care needed. plus it doesn't scratch (and even if it did, i wouldn't care).

so, i have these two niches filled and just see no room for nano.

or what am i missing?

Re:sorry folks, but i really dont understand nano (1)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662769)

There's another category that most of the population fits into.

This category is described by these three characteristics:
1. they don't even have more than 2GB of music. Not everyone sits around at night going through the ID3 tags on their OGG collection. The jist of the story: most people don't care that much. They're fine with $10 headphones because they don't care. They don't need lossless encoding and super hi-fi audio gear.
2. they want the smallest/thinnest/lightest/coolest gadget. enter the nano, the razr, blackberry... this one is not hard to imagine.
3. they simply won't spend $300+ on music anything. they're not audiophiles, and they don't care about a collection of music. I'm got a CS degree and I work in a recording studio. Music is a huge thing to me, and $300 for an iPod is no big deal, but most people just don't care that much.

Yeah, i'm with you, when i upgrade from my old 3rd gen, I'll go with a 60GB, but we're really the vast minority here.

Price adjustment! (3, Funny)

objekt (232270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662431)

Just like clockwork! When they got rid of the iPod Minis it was just after my wife purchased a refreshed one, so she took her receipt back and got a price adjustment. Cha-ching! Wouldn't you know it she has just purchased a refreshed iPod Shuffle! This time she's taking it back and getting a 1-gig nano. We're cheap,but not that cheap.

Scratches (0, Troll)

Fnord666 (889225) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662434)

I wonder if they have done anything to address the display scratching issue [] that many nano owners have complained about?

Like I said in the last posting on this topic... (1, Interesting)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662643)

Apple needs to reinvent the Shuffle. People like having an LCD so they can choose songs. Bring back the Shuffle with all its features plus a three-line LCD and you'll have a bigger hit than the 1 GB Nano.

Call it the iPod Micro or (as someone else suggested) the iPod Pico. There's just something to be said for an MP3 player with the ease of use of a USB drive. No cables, just drop it in the front/top USB port and load it and go.

(I'd still like it better if it took a standard Samsung uses AA and it's nice to be able to swap batteries off a charger in a matter of seconds and to just take a handful of spares when going on a long trip)

Re:Like I said in the last posting on this topic.. (1)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662828)

Okay I'll bite.

Yeah, an lcd is great. but not at the expense of what the shuffle is targeted at. Basically indestructable, simple (did i mention simple?) player that can be operated without looking at it. Think at the gym, out for a jog, cycling, or even on a motorcycle. During those activities, i don't want a device that i have to worry about breaking, or have to divert my attention to operate. not to mention, the lanyard is pretty handy for said activities.

if you want a screen and all the gizmos, just get one with all the gizmos. There's plenty of variations. But don't assume that there's no reason on the planet someone might *not* want the gizmos.

Re:Like I said in the last posting on this topic.. (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14663140)

I hate lanyards :)

The Shuffle was an experiment that didn't go the way Apple hoped. Sure it's useful for certain applications, but do you think the typical buyer thinks "hey, I'll get this iPod Mini for when I'm waiting in line at the DMV and this iPod Shuffle for when I'm working out"? I get how not everyone wants/needs the gizmos, but there just aren't enough people who can justify buying two iPods, or want to buy just one without an LCD.

A 1 GB Shuffle will hold 160+ songs if you don't rip them at too high a bitrate. Your average consumer would be more than happy with that as their primary player...but 160 songs without a screen to preview songs might prompt someone to look at another product. Like maybe something not made by Apple.

My Samsung is solid. It's been dropped, thrown, even chewed on by a toddler. I have it with me when I'm doing yardwork, working out, et cetera. It also has an it can be done without making the device delicate.

Apple's the one killing the Shuffle, not me. I like the form factor and some of the features of the Shuffle, but the lack of an LCD turned me off from it. They're aborting the product pretty early, which would indicate to me that they're not getting the sales numbers they wanted. They could bring it back as a new iPod without the Shuffle "you nver know what will play next" gimmick that I think really put a lot of people off...I think it would be a lot more effective at grabbing the SFF/budget corner of the market and having the iPod line completely dominate the arena.

(not that I think that iPod gaining marketshare is a good thing...I'm tired of "iPod" being the generic term for MP3 player these days)

Interested in buying - other options? (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662720)

At this price point, the 1GB shuffle looks *very* appealing to me. But before I fork out $100 CAD + for a shuffle, are there any alternatives out there that are perhaps better? I don't need the wow factor of an Apple product, and it'd be nice to have a device with user-replacable batteries, but I have absolutely no experience in the portable music world since I bought my minidisk player in 99. So, how about it: a 1GB shuffle, or something else? And why?

A screen isn't necessary, but it might be nice. I'm most concerned about durability, battery life, and sound quality.

How well does Linux talk to iPods these days? (2, Interesting)

swillden (191260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662734)

Since I've recently started going to the gym regularly, I've been thinking I might finally have a use for a portable music player (other than my laptop, which has been as portable as I needed). So, I'm interested in whether or not an iPod would work well for me. A significant constraint, however, is that I don't run Windows, and althouh my wife has an iBook, I don't want to have to use her machine to manage my iPod.

So, how effectively can I manage my iPod from Linux?

Anyone have any recommendations on alternative players? I don't need a lot of storage (1GB would be perfectly fine), but cheaper is better. The ability to play vorbis files would be good, too, though I know that's pretty unlikely. I can always whip up a script to convert my hiqh-quality OGGs to lower-quality MP3s, if need be. If my player doesn't have a huge amount of storage, I'll probably have to convert my OGGs to lower bitrates even if the player does play vorbis files, and that's not much less work than converting to MP3.

Another bonus would be a player with an FM tuner (another feature I believe is unavailable with iPods).

Re:How well does Linux talk to iPods these days? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14663035)

Well that's what you get for using (non-standard) OGG dumbass.

Standards, even if de facto are a good thing to follow.

OT: cheaper fruit apples wanted (0, Offtopic)

peter303 (12292) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662818)

My grocery store is asking $3 a pound for most of its apples. Now if Steve Jobs could only figure out how to make these cheaper!

Too bad... (-1, Redundant)

wbren (682133) | more than 8 years ago | (#14662883)

When I first read the headline I thought Shuffles had been slashed, as in removed from existence. Too bad they were talking about prices "slashing"...
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