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In other news... (5, Funny)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669810)

...the Infinium Phantom will be released next month!

(Seriously...this "Apple to buy Palm" rumor has been going on forever...)

The one corporation to rule them all... (1, Flamebait)

ErnstKompressor (193799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669839)

At this point, why not have all the companies merge into one mega-corp...

Micro-App-AM-Dell-Tel-Palm-Ony...

Re:The one corporation to rule them all... (0, Troll)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669913)

because then 'innovative' companies like Apple and Palm will be f***ed up by crappy companies like dell and microshaft? >_>

Re:In other news... (5, Insightful)

cabjf (710106) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669887)

But then again, so has the "Apple to switch to Intel" rumor.

Re:In other news... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669956)

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. (Unless it's digital, in which case it's good to throw away.)

Complete Article, Slow Site (-1, Redundant)

WebHostingGuy (825421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669812)

Speculation that Apple plans to buy handheld maker Palm has been revived by a call from two leading Palm investors for the company to be put up for sale, according to the local paper of both companies.

Mike Nelson, who owns eight per cent of Palm shares, argued that the company is poorly equipped to dominate the market for smartphones which are beginning to eat into sales of traditional PDAs, reports Siliconvalley.com , online edition of the San Jose Mercury.

The drift from PDAs to smartphones is borne out today by a report from analysts IDG.

Palm has sold one million phone-enabled Treos and its stock has nearly doubled in value over the past year.

But Nelson is reported to have told the Palm board that competitors are developing products quickly and could afford to sacrifice profits to gain market penetration.

Another shareholder, with five per cent of Palm shares, also urged a sale of the company late last year.

The fact that Apple has been named as a possible buyer may seem strange to those who recall that one of the most controversial acts of CEO Steve Jobs was to kill off the pen-driven Apple Newton, a pre-cursor of the Palm Pilot, when he returned to the company after a 10-year absence in 1996.

Yet the two companies are closely linked. They are near neighbours and several early Palm employees, including co-founder and former company president Donna Dubinsky, previously worked with Apple.

Palm, at least in its early days, also enjoyed the kind of anything-but-Microsoft fan base that has long sustained Apple.

Jobs tried to buy the company in the late nineties, according to the Mercury.
Neither Apple nor Palm has given any sign that there is any basis for the renewed speculation but there are obvious fits between the two companies.

Apple's Ipod boom can hardly be sustained unless it can head off competition from PDAs and smartphones that can pack music players along with a host a other functions.

Palm itself was slow off the mark in adding tricky telephony technology to its products and Apple would have a hard time starting from scratch in the market.

Also, for all their vaunted style, the latest Apple notebooks look like antiques beside the latest pen-driven Tablet PCs.

The company will sooner or later be forced to offer a pen interface, and could benefit from Palm expertise in the area - especially as tablets are getting smaller, and may eventually supersede the PDA.

Re:Complete Article, Slow Site (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669868)

Mod parent down. the server is not slow, he's just trying to advertize his hosting business.

Re:Complete Article, Slow Site (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669914)

he's just trying to advertize his hosting business.

Which sucks, by the way. I deeply regret using their service. Stay away!

MOD DOWN (0, Offtopic)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669979)

The site is not slow at all. WebHostingGuy is Karma Whoring to pimp his crappy-ass hosting service via his signature file. Come on, mods. Don't be suckers.

Newton-Palm Hybrid (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669820)

If Apple could make a Newton / Palm hybrid, it'd be the ultimate PDA.

Re:Newton-Palm Hybrid (4, Insightful)

Feneric (765069) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669983)

I think there's some truth to the parent post. A single PDA that merged the best features of both the Newton and the Palm could be really slick. While I'll assume that most people reading this are pretty familiar with the Palm and what it has to offer, I recognize that the Newton may be a bit more of a mystery. I blogged a bit about what the Newton has to offer in 2006 [blogspot.com] elsewhere and won't repeat it all here.

The Newton has actually been mentioned on various news sites [osnews.com] a lot lately, due largely in part to the recent Worldwide Newton Conference [newtontalk.net] but also because of recent advances like the Einstein project [kallisys.com] and the Newton book reader for Firefox [newtonslibrary.org].

I'm personally hoping that maybe some of its innovative user interface ideas get carried over into other projects. Obviously Apple's current Ink tablet handwriting recognition system is a direct port from the Newton. Less obviously perhaps is that its Dock removal animation is, too.

Re:Newton-Palm Hybrid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14670138)

...and would weigh a freakin' ton...

Re:Newton-Palm Hybrid (1)

wyverspur (611630) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670171)

Or possibly a Newton / Palm hybrid with an internal HDD (say 20/30/40 or 60GB) and a icon to launch an "iPod interface" with a onscreen wheel.

Re:Newton-Palm Hybrid (2, Insightful)

cookiej (136023) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670249)

It would certainly be an amazing twist. Jobs "Steved" us Newton users by stopping the spinoff of Newton, Inc. and then killing the platform by reassigning most of the engineering team back to Apple -- several of whom quit and went to work for Palm as they were ramping up for the first real Palm handheld.

So. If Steve is truly ready to acquire Palm, I guess he's forgiven John Sculley (Newton was Sculley's 'Next Big Thing').

I'd love to dust of my old NewtonScript manuals. Bring on the Soup!

Something, Anything (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669826)

With the Intel fiasco killing sales and iPod sales slowing, buying Palm sounds like a good idea.

AAPL is down 20 percent and looks like it is on its way to the mid-50s support level.

Re:Something, Anything (2, Funny)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670130)

Apple is dying again, huh? Clearly it was a mistake to switch to an operating system based on BSD :)

Idiotic (3, Informative)

coinreturn (617535) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670144)

AAPL is down 20 percent and looks like it is on its way to the mid-50s support level.

You obviously got modded "insightful" by an Apple-basher. Yes, Apple is down 20% from its peak, but it's still up 600% in the last two years, up 80% in the last year, up 50% in the last six months, and up 10% in the last three months. That performance whoops ass on just about any other investment out there.

Good for Apply Maybe, good for Palm - NO! (1)

Mycroft_514 (701676) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669838)

How to kill a good product.

Re:Good for Apply Maybe, good for Palm - NO! (2, Interesting)

guildsolutions (707603) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669898)

Actually Apple will probably put some sort of a mobile OS X on it. In my oppinion, palm os is dead, dying and burried. The most usefull products they give are their windows based toys. *gasp* I voted for windows.

Apple will do it correctly if they bring in a pocket PC product. They are not the leading seller of MP3 players for no reason, they did it right when others didnt.

Re:Good for Apply Maybe, good for Palm - NO! (3, Informative)

Zigg (64962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669938)

Palm is already working a new version of Palm OS with Linux as the kernel, effectively creating their own "OS X" story. Whether they'll be as successful as OS X is remains to be seen.

Re:Good for Apply Maybe, good for Palm - NO! (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670001)

But how important are the BSD underpinnings of OS-X for the overall success of OS-X?

Re:Good for Apply Maybe, good for Palm - NO! (2, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670057)

Palm is already working a new version of Palm OS with Linux as the kernel, effectively creating their own "OS X" story.

I don't see that as being a very good idea. Linux (the kernel) is a fast-moving target with constantly changing abilities, features, and APIs. (No comment on the moving ABIs.) For something like a new Palm OS, Palm really needs a stable base that won't require them to redo a lot of work, or suddenly and unexpectedly shift directions because of a major kernel change.

Palm could always fork Linux to keep things more predictable, but then they'd only be criticized for not keeping up to date. Thus the best solution is to do what Apple did: Find a more stable base.

What amazes me is that Palm is sitting with the BeOS technologies in its lap and has done practically nothing with them. BeOS was designed for systems that are pretty much on par with what a modern PDA could offer. (Catchy new slogan: "Just imagine, all the power of your BeBox in the Palm(TM) of your hand!") They obviously can't use it directly due to differences in desktop vs. PDA hardware, but they could easily mine it for technologies and strip the OS down to its core before rebuilding around the PDA technology.

Then again, I don't know what the BeOS core looks like. Perhaps it's all too integrated to be useful. Either way, I think Palm would be chosing poorly by going the Linux route.

Re:Good for Apply Maybe, good for Palm - NO! (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670141)

Yes, you've got to wonder which decade Palm will release it. After taking a big lead in the mid to late 90s, they seem to have been moving slow motion ever since.

As for rewriting in Linux - does that mean their current Palm OS is such a dead end that they can't evolve it? It's hideously expensive to rewrite software from scratch and a lot of companies will fail in the process. Look how long it took Microsoft to make NT acceptable. They were afford to run two product lines in parallel until NT was able to suit consumer needs. How many companies can do that, let alone Palm how seems to have been struggling for a while? Admittedly, using Linux isn't a 100% rewrite, but it's still a huge amount of work.

Oh well, Palm seems to be in the habit of making poor decisions these days. I'm amazed they're still in existence.

Re:Good for Apply Maybe, good for Palm - NO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14670172)

The current Palm OS (v5.4) has no multithreading and very limited multitasking. It's not even funny.It doesn't even have good windows 3.1 level co-operative multitasking.

Using any version of the Linux kernel as the basis for the next Palm OS will be a life saver for the application developer.Even if its an old, unmaintained kernekl,In the worst case it will be like developing applications in, say, the 90's. That's better than the current development model.

As for what PalmSource did with BeOS, well, it used technologies from BeOS in developing Palm OS Cobalt (v6), which has multitasking, multithreading and a very neat modern API. Then they.............did nothing with it since 2004 and all their new PalmOS based devices are based on 5.4

why are they wasting all thsese oppurtunities is beyond me.

Re:Good for Apply Maybe, good for Palm - NO! (5, Informative)

Archibald Buttle (536586) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670116)

Palm Source is working on Palm OS.

Palm Source isn't owned by Palm. It's owned by a Japanese company whose name I can't remember.

Palm don't own their own OS these days.

BeOS (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669851)

So does this mean that the BeOS will be under the ownership of Apple as well?

Re:BeOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669901)

glad to see I wasn't the only one to think about BeOS as soon as I saw this!

Palm doesn't own BeOS Re:BeOS (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670163)

You seem forget that Palm has switched to Windows. The Palm OS is a spinoff that isn't owned by Palm anymore.

Re:Palm doesn't own BeOS Re:BeOS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14670185)

But which half of the former Palm owns BeOS?

BeOS is back baby! (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669855)

Secretly, Jobs would like to buy Palm just to get to BeOS. OS XI, here we come!

No. (2, Insightful)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669858)

well the headline asked a question, I answered it. because my answer has just as much authority as the wild speculation in the article... I honestly think the writers of these "xyz is gonna buy out abc" articles have a big dartboard with the names of various companies and they play madlibs to come up with "content"

The iPalm? (1)

Jim in Buffalo (939861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669867)

Coming soon, the iPalm, Apple's combo PDA-digital music video player.

Re:The iPalm? (5, Funny)

RingDev (879105) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669899)

I don't know... If people start downloading pron from iTunes straight to the iPalm things could get iHairy.

-Rick

Renamed (1)

mrscott (548097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669997)

Actually, for all new products under this venture, they'd drop the "i" and replace with an "na" so as to differentiate the lines.

Re:The iPalm? (1)

daranz (914716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670068)

I think iPad would be a good name... iPod, iPad... perfect. Maybe it would even confuse some people, and increase sales!

Re:The iPalm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14670279)

Except Palm already has a combo called the Life Drive. 4Gb, wifi, bluetooth, plays music and videos, 320x480 display etc.

Translation: We want to make money with hype (5, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669872)

According to a story over at Personal Computer World [two leading Palm investors have created the]Speculation that Apple plans to buy handheld maker Palm [in order to drive up the stock price before they dump it and make loads of $$$.]

Re:Translation: We want to make money with hype (2, Insightful)

galdur (829400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669998)

Right on.

How does Palm investors want to sell Palm to Apple become speculation that "Apple plans to buy handheld maker Palm"...?

I don't see Apple having any desire to acquire Palm. Steve Jobs' obsession with style and the holistic approach of complete solutions doesn't seem compatible with the nuisance of acquiring a new platform and having to dilute its efforts in the audio/video market.

Sure, the Palm investors would love to sell the company to Apple; after all, the PDA market share has been decreasing. I think we would sooner see some hybrid device with a concise set of features from Apple than a company sale.

If this happens (4, Funny)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669873)

Too bad the article isn't working for me.

Considering the previous technology leading position of the Newton MessagePad back in the late 1990s, and the fact that Steve Jobs killed it (calling it a "damn scribble pad"), coupled with changing demographics due dramatic shifts in the paradigm of handheld computing, if this actually happens I believe I speak for all former Newton owners, when I say WTF??

Re:If this happens (2, Interesting)

stubear (130454) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669940)

Steve Jobs also said no one wanted to watch video on iPods. Lo and behold we now have the video iPod. Take what Steve jobs says with a grain of salt. I'm amazed Steve has held out for so long releasing a tablet mac.

Re:If this happens (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670151)

This is the same man who derided small flash-mem MP3 players as difficult to use and so unappealing that they all end up in drawers, then happily unveiled the iPod shuffle, a feature-for-feature clone of 2002's Creative MuVo (no screen, virtually no controls, small).

Why /. Why? (2, Insightful)

mythz (857024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669882)

This was already on digg a while ago, has no factual basis, and is the result of reporters that have nothing to write about resorting to these 'what if' articles.

I thought the /. difference is that it wouldn't expose its readers to these higly vapourous 'fairy articles'.

Re:Why /. Why? (2, Informative)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670035)

I thought the /. difference is that it wouldn't expose its readers to these higly vapourous 'fairy articles'.

Have we reached the point where "you must be new here" comments can be shorthanded as "YMBNH"?

Slashdot is a news digest and discussion forum which the editors prefer to run like it's a cute little personal blog, rather than one of the most popular news sites on the Internet. There is no formal criteria for what does and does not get selected.

Re:Why /. Why? (1)

Snowgen (586732) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670289)

I thought the /. difference is that it wouldn't expose its readers to these higly vapourous 'fairy articles'.

Nope. Techdirt [techdirt.com] makes that claim, not /.

/. is just a "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters." site. There's an implied "or" between those sentences. Slashdot is for fun and conversation, nothing else.

Apple to buy out Palm? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669883)

Did we hit a time warp and end up back in 1997?

Good idea (5, Insightful)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669888)

Apple could jump back into the market with the Blackberry struggling/in limbo, and offer the sort of solution they're famous for - one which somehow integrates all parts of the product's chain. They could stick Safari on it, and have it synchonize histories and emails with the home iMac/mini, as well as having some sort of iDisk related fun (which will have to drop in price).

competition goes both ways (1)

DeveloperAdvantage (923539) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669890)

Apple's Ipod boom can hardly be sustained unless it can head off competition from PDAs and smartphones that can pack music players along with a host a other functions.

This can go both ways. I don't see any reason why Apple couldn't start putting some of those "other functions" into the iPod. Brand recognition is huge part of having a successful product, and, with the iPod brand, Apple has built a strong foundation.

Re:competition goes both ways (2, Insightful)

BewireNomali (618969) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670071)

I don't think that Apple can continue to add features to the ipod without diluting the brand. It's why you don't call the music phone an ipod phone - so if it fails, you don't hurt your bread and butter.

Apple needs a completely new line. Product diversification.

Yeah, right. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669891)

What's next, duke nukem forever?

Palm has access to interesting IP on their hands (4, Insightful)

Coutal (98822) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669893)

These come to mind:

* BeOS/BeIA code: no idea how relevant it is today, but could still prove worthwhile.

* Palm-sized device expertise: maybe some of the knowledge and technologies palm has could go to make an even-better iPod. (can't wait to see that).

* Application Base: maybe we're going to see an app translator?

* Synchronization software: maybe newer iPods will need to sync apps and documents too. might want to have access to well-established code for that.

Re:Palm has access to interesting IP on their hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14670206)

Apple would gain less than you think...

While there could be some useful meta-data stuff there, much of the promise BeOS held had yet to be developed and I don't think Apple needs it now. Apple also has the experience from the iPod, their laptops, and perhaps from the Newton if any of those engineers are still around... add OS X to that, and I really question how much of a benefit Apple would gain from Palm's device expertise

Perhaps the biggest benefit is the software base, but most of the thousand of Palm apps are worthless or overpriced. In fact, there's probaly only 10-20 third-party apps that the majority of Palm users rely on. I think Apple could quickly and easily make up any deficiencies in the shareware market. Finally, Apple doesn't need synchronization software, they already have iSync and SyncServices for that, and they use the SyncML open standard instead of some other proprietary method.

In the end, there's really very little advantage to buying Palm outside of an already developed solution they can quickly take to market. Frankly, I hope Apple decides to enter the PDA/Smartphone market and puts Palm out of business. Palm has been arrogant and complacent in the development of both its hardware and OS, and they gave a big Fuck You to mac users a few years ago when they dropped official support of the Mac and decided to rely on a third party.

Why now? (1)

joerdie (816174) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669906)

Frankly Im surprised Apple hasnt already started a PDA product line. It seems like everywhere I go, I see Ipods or Palms. Whats taking Apple so long to get in?

Re:Why now? (2, Interesting)

Pope (17780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670010)

Been there, done that: Apple jump-started the PDA revolution with the Newton. Jobs and Co. must not see a market for them. Besides, this rumour of Apple buying Palm has been around for YEARS...

Re:Why now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14670022)

>>Frankly Im surprised Apple hasnt already started a PDA product line.

FYI, Apple's Newton Messagepad group invented the term "Personal Digital Assistant."
Apple invented the PDA, but left the business in 2000 due to lackluster sales.

Palm, by the way, started out as a company that sold software for the Apple Newton.

Buying palm, or buying BeOS? (4, Insightful)

AVee (557523) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669908)

I must admit to not being completely up to date with the whole BeOS saga. But afaik the last company to own BeOS was Palm. And yes, I know about yellowTAB's ZETA, but they never claimed to actually own any of the BeOS code.

So it might just be it's not palm, but BeOS they are after. Which might fit into the whole Apple X86 thing.

The new iPalm will run under Ninnle! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14669923)

It seems that the next version of OSX (OSXI?) will be an offshoot of Ninnle Linux, and will be developed to properly integrate the new Ninnle powered iPalm.

I don't see much value (5, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669928)

I'm rather suspicious of this story, in part because I don't see Palm adding much value to Apple. When the Palm Pilot was popular, the fact that so much could be fit in such a small device was nothing short of amazing. It was also a useful little tool for all kinds of data organization. But now? Palm's OS is older than the hills, designed for hardware limits that no longer matter. Palm has been using bits of trickery to extend the limits of their OS, but at the end of the day they just need something new that takes advantage of modern, low-power hardware.

Another problem is that Palm has been about as phlegmatic as you can get when it comes to promoting their market. If they were like Apple, they could have sewn up the electronic book market years ago. Instead, they seem content to allow the rest of the market to make half-hearted attempts at producing solutions. That just isn't going to work. If Palm wants to grab the e-reader market (a market for which they are extremely well suited), they need to follow Apple's lead and grab the bull by the horns. Since they show no signs of doing this, I see nothing but signs of decline for Palm.

If Apple wants to enter the handheld market (again), I see them developing a new device with a high-resolution, high-pixel density screen. They would then try to add the ability to show documents are precisely as possible, utilizing scaling algorithms. (Many books and documents suffer if their layout is changed a la Acrobat Pocket.) These features could be easily built into a new device OS by Apple engineers rather than trying to overhaul the aging Palm OS.

They would then market it with a new "catchy" Apple brand like "iHand" or "iBooklet", and either integrate it into a new eBook/Portable App section of iTunes, or develop a new iTunes-like app.

So given this scenario, where does the Palm value come in? The name? Nope. Apple would want consistent branding. The OS? No way. Palm is so full of cruft I swear that the developers are ready to shoot it. The device designs? Never. They're way too far behind the curve.

So I think I'm going to go with "rumor" on this one.

Re:I don't see much value (2, Insightful)

Cujo (19106) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670032)

You're probably right. The current market cap of PALM is just under $2G, si figure Apple would pay around $3G to buy it up, for a company expected to make about $100M in profit over the next year. That's easily affordable for AAPL, but a 3% annual ROI isn't worth the trouble unless they have some IP AAPL, really, really wants. The Treo? Maybe, but I don't see it.

And PALM stock if off a little this morning (3, Interesting)

Cujo (19106) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670050)

So, the market doesn't believe the rumor either

Re:I don't see much value (1)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670135)

a 3% annual ROI isn't worth the trouble unless they have some IP AAPL, really, really wants


Apple is clearly having second thoughts about their decision to purchase the inferior NeXTStep instead of BeOS, and are now seizing their opportunity to switch to the OS they should have used in the first place. This also explains their switch to Intel chips, as BeOS R5 runs better on Intel...


(this post close captioned for the humour impaired: :^) )

Re:I don't see much value (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670193)

You're probably right.

<Rodney-McKay>I am? ... I mean, of course I am!</Rodney-McKay> :-P

That's easily affordable for AAPL, but a 3% annual ROI isn't worth the trouble unless they have some IP AAPL, really, really wants.

I agree. Jobs has never shown signs of minor empire building. If he purchases a company, it's because he wants something from them. Otherwise he just a) leaves them alone or b) contracts out for their expertise. (Much like how the iPod was originally designed.) Or in other words, Jobs builds his own empire brick by brick rather than dealing with the instability of an adhoc one.

The Treo? Maybe, but I don't see it.

Not to mention the issue of competition with the current lines of iPod phones. There would be no better way to confuse the market than to offer them two different options with completely different feature sets. While that might work on a long-tail strategy, Apple is into a tiered marketing strategy designed to capture the largest chunks of the market by price point.

so what will happen to the treo (1)

megamike23 (932627) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669950)

I doubt this will happen, especially since palm is starting to make windows mobile devices (treo700w). An ipod like treo would be interesting to look at but I doubt it would be useful.

Hah! (0, Redundant)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669963)

What next? Microsoft makes software for Apple? Apple switches to UNIX? Apple uses Intel for processors?

This story is ludicrous!

Favorite Newton Joke (3, Funny)

MrFlibbs (945469) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669968)

This is perhaps the most elegant summary of the Newton's limitations I ever read:

Q: What's 2 + 2?
A: Farm

Really? (1)

Anonymous Cowtard (573891) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669972)

Also, for all their vaunted style, the latest Apple notebooks look like antiques beside the latest pen-driven Tablet PCs.

No shit. The latest Dell notebooks would too. Apples vs oranges people. Geez.

Not good new for Palm (4, Interesting)

Kefaa (76147) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669977)

Other than a full license to Graffiti, there is little for Palm to offer. Don't get me wrong, I own a Palm Pilot and am probably one of the few left who love it.

However, I can easily see Apple producing a product of superior technology with as good an interface, based on the iPod. In fact, my iPod supports full motion video, gigs of data, and a simple interface. Start adding features and you face the Palm conundrum: How do you change the interface to a vastly successful product, and keep your customer base?

Part of Palm's other dilemma was its success. I have had the same Palm Pilot since it came out five years ago. It does everything I need, it syncs to my desktop, keeps outlook happy (oops that may be an Apple issue), and allows me to handle the things I want to. It will be interesting to see if iPod suffers the same issues.

If you want to make me a happy camper - make an iPod version with a nice 4" screen, support for palm like applications (notebook, address book, calendar, etc.) and support Ebook formats. Then provide a truly open development environment. One of the great things about palm was how many 3rd part applications were available because Palm wined and dined independent developers. But that means you (the platform owner) do not control everything on your platform.

Such a tool would allow me to hold my videos, books, and all the last things my palm does today. But none of these require palm to provide.

But wait -- what about the phone? Forget it. While some people do use the phone to replace the palm, most never do much but store phone numbers. Further, people are used to a phone being replaced every two years - for free. That is a market that pays for itself in the marketing of minutes. Not a good place to play.

Uh. (1)

solios (53048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14669994)

Let's see.

Apple has:

1. Style.
2. Newton OS / Handwriting recognition / IP - all recognized as lightyears ahead of anything (at least back in the day).
3. The BeFS dude.

Palm has:

1. BeOS IP.
2. PalmOS / Handwriting "recognition" that "works" nothing like the Newtons (vastly inferior).
3. Not much else.

What use would Apple have for Palm, exactly?

Re:Uh. (1)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670184)

What use would Apple have for Palm, exactly?

Brand recognition in the PDA world, PDA devs, and marketshare.

That said, I seriously doubt this is going to happen or that the reasons I mentioned would be enough for apple to buy palm.

Re:Uh. (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670219)

Didn't the Newton switch to using Graffiti (as in what the Palm uses) as its native handwriting recognition software before it was killed?

Re:Uh. (1)

solios (53048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670264)

Got me. The Newton got whacked before my time.

I don't see why it couldn't have offered both. :P

Not news (2)

Kohath (38547) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670016)

This is not news. "Apple buys Palm" is news. Speculation that Apple might buy Palm in the future is not.

The news business used to be about reporting things that actually happened.

Re:Not news (2, Interesting)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670179)

This is not news. "The U.S. bombs Iran" is news. Speculation that the U.S. might bomb Iran in the future is not.

The news business used to be about reporting things that actually happened.

/You see how rediculous your statement is?

iPalm (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670045)

I heard they had to grease some palms to get a piece of the pie, but it was a golden idea any way you slice it.

Why buy a loser? (2, Interesting)

tknn (675865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670047)

That would be stupid purchase. Palm is a loser company with barely anything to save. PDA sales are relatively flat and if Apple wants to enter the market they could license Symbian or develop their own smartphone OS.

I agree that phones will eventually own the music player market, and probably even the P&S camera market also. Apple would be foolish not to evaluate its choices, but I would choose a platform that is more focused than Palm on smartphones over PDAs.

The phone market is super-intense and super-competitive, especially for global competition. Once 3G rolls out, the market should probably consolidate some as one network standard will prevent as much fragmentation, so it is a bit early to enter the market.

Palm Interface to Replace Apple's Finder (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670053)

God, sometimes anything feels like it would be better than Finder!

No. I think* that Apple will develop a cut down Carbon UI toolkit and run it on top of Darwin for ARM (I bet it exists), creating a Mobile Mac OS X.

They'll get the Palm side to develop hardware based around Intel's XScale processor, and run this cut down Mac OS X on top. Sure, it won't be binary compatible, and source compatible only when the source only uses the APIs that are available on the cut down variant. But it won't take much work to port useful tools to it, or to create new ones. mCal, mTunes, mMail, mSafari. m is the new i, and should be used even where i wasn't.

(* Actually, I think the whole story is a pile of steaming bull turds, hence my post is ridiculous *)

Might help Apple, but... (1)

necro81 (917438) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670079)

If Apple wanted to try and break back into the PDA market (which I think would be a poor strategic move, but I could be wrong), then buying out Palm might be a way to speed up their development. But, does Apple really want to be associated with - and have responsibility for - the existing Palm product line, from Zires to Tungstens to Treos? I think the answer there is an emphatic NO. I think that, if Apple were to develop another PDA, it would be a real slick product that would have very little in common with the current Palm product line. In that case, I would have doubts that buying (or even lisencing) Palm would give Apple an advantage enough to justify the transaction.

Not sure I buy it... at least not yet (2, Interesting)

cmj (34859) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670111)

The fact of the matter is that a Treo is a very expensive phone no matter how you look at it. The cheapest one is around the same price as a high end iPod even with a new cell contract and carrier subsidy. On the surface that would mean a substantial revenue source for Apple if this were to come to pass. BUT every single person I know that has a Treo or other smartphone of some sort (BB, Windows Mobile, Nokia Communicator, etc) already has an iPod. For current customers that's not a big deal and for the most part has no discernable effect on iPod sales - after all most of those people don't tend to go through the trouble of selling their old phones or iPods on ebay.

For FUTURE sales it's a different story though... If Apple were to buy Palm and/or introduce the iPhone then a measurable number of people that have neither iPod nor smart phone would buy the iPhone instead of two separate devices, and that means less iPods sold. Thus there would be an impact on future revenues.

I don't believe that Apple will be buying Palm. Remember that Palm no longer owns PalmOS, so all I can think of that Palm brings to the table is the Palm and Treo brands, domain knowledge around smart phones, and existing relationships with contract manufacturers and carriers.

It is my belief that Apple will introduce the iPhone, and that it's just a matter of time. When they do they will probably contract with someone like HTC to make a custom phone, exclusively for Apple, then load it with Apple's own software. Further, it will either be appropriately crippled to not undercut the Nano, tied to an MVNO so they get ongoing revenue from the monthly subscription, all you can eat subscription iTunes downloads service, or will coincide with some other clever strategy to drive additional revenue growth.

Does this mean that BEOS is coming back? :) (4, Interesting)

stoicio (710327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670115)

Wow! Great news.
Maybe they will dump OSX and make a 64 bit version of BEOS!!!!
YAY!!!!
We all knew Jobs couldn't keep his hands off BEOS. ;)

(I'm being levitous)

Jogger Wheel (1)

Beefslaya (832030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670134)

Yeah!!!
A stupid iPod jogger wheel for my Palm.
They should have made the iPod more of a PDA, then they wouldn't have to buy a PDA company.

--King O' The shitty Karma

Re:Jogger Wheel (1)

Beefslaya (832030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670236)

On a side note, if there is anyone who can kick ass in the PDA market, it's Apple.

I'm sure it will look slick, thin and wear like iron. (for a hefty price I'm sure)

I hope it won't require iCal or iLife to use it. Linux/Unix portability would be sweet. Maybe even throw in some features for Sys Admins, like the ability so store multiple bootable OS images for system recovery or maybe wifi accessiblity?
Go Get em.

--No matter what I post, it's crap...Thank you.

This is just one of those rumors.. (3, Interesting)

Dutchmaan (442553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670165)

It's comes up from time to time, "Apple is going to buy Palm!" "Apple is creating a version of their OS to work with Intel chips!" .. . . err.... uh.... hmmm.

As a pissed off PDA user (2, Interesting)

hkb (777908) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670168)

As an annoyed PDA (and Mac) user, I'd love to see Apple develop a full-fledged PDA -- preferably something along the lines of a Tungsten C with bluetooth and wi-fi.

I still use my Palm T|C but its definitely showing its age with no other alternative in sight. WM2003SE was crap, and WM5 is still crap. It is neither reliable nor big on usability.

Give us something, Apple. I believe you're the only hope for something in this arena that "just works".

Palm's last hope? (1)

geneing (756949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670180)

Palm has been going down the drains for many years now. Too bad - I like my Palm Pilot. Maybe getting bought by Apple will save the platform...

Re:Palm's last hope? (1)

mjjw (560868) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670211)

and when palm has gone down the drain, how would you like you nice shiny new (and white) iPilot

This will happen.. (2, Funny)

saboola (655522) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670285)

After Cisco is done buying out Nintendo AND TiVo. The only problem we will have after this is those pesky flying pigs, and getting the heat turned back on in hell.

Newton + Apple + Palm = NAPalm (4, Funny)

Ranger (1783) | more than 8 years ago | (#14670290)

Cool, they can combine the Newton with the Palm and use Apple's exploding battery technology. Introducing NAPalm. Burn different!
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