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No Time Travel, Sorry

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the time-to-make-new-vacation-plans dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 888

MOBE2001 writes "The bad news is that time does not change. Spatial velocity is given as dx/dt. Velocity in time(dt/dt) is nonsensical. As simple as that. In other words, no time travel to the past or the future, no motion in space-time, no wormholes and no hanky-panky with your great, great grandmother. There is only the changing present, aka the NOW. The good news is that distance is an illusion and we'll be able to travel instantly from anywhere to anywhere."

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Of course time travel is possible! (5, Funny)

SeanTobin (138474) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680413)

How else could people post articles in The Mysterious Future?

Re:Of course time travel is possible! (4, Funny)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680539)

Trivially, as when a politician vows to curb inflation, buys a dog, names it "Inflation", and curbs it daily.
Read that in Mad Magazine about 20 years ago.
Only change: Alfred E. Neuman has been elected. Twice.

Re:Of course time travel is possible! (3, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680581)

Only change: Alfred E. Neuman has been elected. Twice.

No, only once. And there's some doubt about that one. ;)

Next slashdot science story: TIMECUBE! (1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680633)

Opposites create Opposites. Americans beget singularity, empowering evil rule of life. Academia teaches evil android singularity, displacing humans with today's androids, passive, subsmissive, subservient &stupid. Religion is an evil singularity brotherhood contradicted by the simultaneous 4 corner 24 hour days in a single rotation of Earth, and the 4 corner stages of a human lifetime. Opposite sexes equate a zero value existence. Family tribal/village are bodies of opposites. Religion/academia teach evil of singularity. Teaching singularity equals death by Word. Opposite sexes created you. Ignorance of the Time Cube, Life Cube & Ineffable Truth Cube, indicts you Stupid. Ignoring Cubic Creation indicts you evil. Singularity God impossible. Wikipedia allowing the educated stupid to evaluate the 4 simultaneous 24 hr. days within a single rotation of Earth, equates allowing atheist to proof-read the bible. Dr. Gene Ray --- is the only authoritative Time Cube expert, at www.timecube.com. Dr. Gene Ray offers Wikipedia $10,000.00 to disprove math that 1 rotation of 4 Earth quadrants within the 4 quarter Harmonic Time Cube does create 4 simultaneous 24 hr. days. Both Americans & Wikipedia are evil to deny or ignore Cubic Creation. Is Wikipedia a Singularity Brotherhood controlled Trojan Horse indoctrination - that edits Time Cube to a negative view? Who edits the Time Cube on Wikipedia? Will I get a reply or will the Wisest Human just be ignored until silenced by death? Religious Singularity is evil, Academic Singularity is evil. Singularity is damnable lie, Educators altered your mind, You cannot think opposite of what you were taught to think. You have a cyclop perspective and taught android mentality = lobotomized analytical ability. Educated singularity stupid - You can't think 4 corner days. 4 Earth Quadrants simultaneously rotate inside 4 Time Cube Quarters to create 4 - 24 hour days within one Earth rotation. This simple ignored math indicts you evil. Demand evil educators explain Cubicism, or allow me to come teach Cube Creation. No man, nation or God equal Cube symmetry of opposites. Mathematically impossible for a Genius or any God to match my Cubic Wisdom. Educators fear me, they cower and run. 6 sides constitutes a sextet -- not a Cube. Teaching that a Cube has '6 sides' with no top & bottom, induces an evil curse that pervades all academic institutions. Opposites create Opposites. Mom & Dad opposites create son & daughter opposites. Opposite Creators required, Depicted by Earth's opposite hemispheres. Singularity God impossible. Opposites de-god Religion. Opposites create the universe. Opposites compose the Earth. Opposites compose humanity. Opposites create your body. Opposites de-god academia. Opposites de-god singularity taught by religious/academia. I can call singularity educators the most putrid name on Earth and claim they eat cow-dung ambrosia, but the lying ass bastards will not even object - for they know I am right and that any debate will indict them for the evil they perpetuate

Drinking to much funny-juice (4, Insightful)

Mrs. Grundy (680212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680415)

Nothing Can Move in Spacetime! By Definition!

That's weird because I could have sworn when I went to bed last night it was yesterday and now its today.

Nevertheless...this is fun. Looking at the equation from which all his arguments flow, it seems he is only demonstrating that it doesn't make sense to talk about one's velocity through time. I would agree. If I hop in my time machine and zip off to tomorrow, it doesn't make much sense for you to ask how long it took to get there. Or if you and I both have time machines and we decided to race to 1:00 pm tomorrow it would be always be a tie. But this is a far stretch from demonstrating that it is impossible. By this same logic we could define slope as the change in x over y or s = dx/dy. Does this definition make it impossible to move along the y axis because then the slope of our movement would be dy/dy? No. but it does say that if you move along the y axis your slope will be a constant.

Re:Drinking to much funny-juice (5, Insightful)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680512)

"That's weird because I could have sworn when I went to bed last night it was yesterday and now its today."

Not really. Now it's now, and that's all that is. You remember yesterday, but that is a memory occuring now. The past doesn't physically exist. Nor does the future. The only real (i.e. existing physically) part of our time perception is now.

Re:Drinking to much funny-juice (5, Funny)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680634)

Not really. Now it's now, and that's all that is. You remember yesterday, but that is a memory occuring now. The past doesn't physically exist. Nor does the future. The only real (i.e. existing physically) part of our time perception is now.

Dark Helmet: What the hell am I looking at? When does this happen in the movie?
Colonel Sandurz: Now. You're looking at now sir. Everything that happens now, is happening now.
Dark Helmet: What happened to then?
Colonel Sandurz: We passed then.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now. We're at now, now.
Dark Helmet: Go back to then!
Colonel Sandurz: When?
Dark Helmet: Now.
Colonel Sandurz: Now?
Dark Helmet: Now!
Colonel Sandurz: I can't.
Dark Helmet: Why?
Colonel Sandurz: We missed it.
Dark Helmet: When?
Colonel Sandurz: Just now.
Dark Helmet: When will then be now?
Colonel Sandurz: Soon.

Re:Drinking to much funny-juice (2, Interesting)

lgw (121541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680514)

A link to "www.rebelscience.org/crackpots" is considered science news on Slashdot these days? Is this story supposed to be a joke? What's up with this?

Re:Drinking to much funny-juice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680542)

Didja see the foot?

Re:Drinking to much funny-juice (1)

Brown Eggs (650559) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680543)

This make sense to Solomon Grundy - good job mom

Re:Drinking to much funny-juice (1)

pizzaman100 (588500) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680550)

If I hop in my time machine and zip off to tomorrow, it doesn't make much sense for you to ask how long it took to get there.

It will take you about 24 hours. :)

Re:Drinking to much funny-juice (2, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680569)

Time travel does exist, in one direction and at one velocity.

The funny thing about the time travel theories is that, they are all based on a specific "definition" of time, when time by itself does not exist, it is just another metric that we mere mortals created (no I do not believe in god :) ). We continue to crash our heads trying to decipher *how* to travel across some theoretic "travelable" metric we created. Say can we travel across "Watts"? can we go "3 watts ahead" or "3 watts below"? or "r watts to the right or to the left".

[Un]fortunately, the only thing that gives us a sense of the past is the memory, that way, if yesterday someone implanted in my memory that I was going to be reading this story on slashdot, I may believe that I've traveled to the past (no dupe jokes please).

What shall be can be the is of what was (0, Offtopic)

biocute (936687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680416)

Every once in a while when I come across something that I dreamed of years ago, and that something plays back exactly the same way as it was in my dream, I can't help but thinking maybe there is a scripted future in the... future.

So while science may prove that physical time travel is unpossible, we may still manage to "see/communicate" with the past/future through other means (like The Mysterious Future! plum).

Re:What shall be can be the is of what was (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680557)

I too think it sucks.

Re:What shall be can be the is of what was (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680651)

If the future is scripted, does that make God a 733t h4x0r or a script-kiddie?

Oh yeah? (-1, Redundant)

og_sh0x (520297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680419)

If there's now time travel, then how did this story get posted in The Mysterious Future?

SG1 Answers! (1)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680422)

There is no spooky action at a distance because there is no distance between particles. This is not the same as saying that the distance is zero; distance simply does not exist: it is abstract.

Ah ha! So that is how to Tolan's were able to communicate so quickly with the Knocks from Earth after thier world had been destroyed!

Re:SG1 Answers! (2, Funny)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680488)

I did what?

Re:SG1 Answers! (3, Funny)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680508)

Time travel, remember? YOu haven't done it yet.

Re:SG1 Answers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680571)

Nocks?

I think it is spelled 'Nox'.

I'm no physicist (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Crowhead (577505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680424)

But in all my readings, I have learned one thing about physics. Nothing is "as simple as that".

Re:I'm no physicist (1)

GrayFox777 (908337) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680547)

That's the truth!

Re:I'm no physicist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680630)

And according to Professor Frink, Pi is exactly 3!!!

But I time travel every day! (4, Funny)

davecb (6526) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680431)

One second per second, so that dt/dt = 1.

--dave

Re:But I time travel every day! (1)

Ariane 6 (248505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680613)

Not only that, but you move every day, which dilates time WRT the rest frame, so dt/dt' != 1

I don't feel like taking the derivative of the Lorentz dilation, but I'm sure you could look it up.

The e-mail I sent to the editor was ignored. (5, Informative)

Cujo (19106) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680432)

This guy is a pseudo-scientific moonbat. Please don't waste your time with the not-so-FA.

Re:The e-mail I sent to the editor was ignored. (5, Informative)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680535)

Note the URLs of the articles linked:

http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/notorious.htm
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/nasty.htm#Spa ce

(emphasis mine.) That alone should make it pretty clear that this isn't meant to be taken seriously. Oh yeah, and the story got the "foot" icon, too, so even Taco got it. :)

Re:The e-mail I sent to the editor was ignored. (1)

Cujo (19106) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680661)

Yeah, I didn't see the foot icon. Only problem is - it's not funny, just sad.

Re:The e-mail I sent to the editor was ignored. (1)

SchrodingersRoot (943800) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680552)

he also seems to be a vulgar and angry person

random googling [google.co.uk]

I'm not a physicist, but to me, it seems that his objections stem from a rather rigid definition of motion.

Well obviously! (3, Funny)

zardo (829127) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680433)

... because we already know everything there is to know about the universe

Or, as Ford Prefect put it... (5, Funny)

Jim in Buffalo (939861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680434)

As Ford Prefect put it, "Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so."

Re:Or, as Ford Prefect put it... (1)

lb746 (721699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680585)

....or as Harrison ford put it "Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy."

IT'S POSSIBLE... IF YOU PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680435)

SAFETY NOT GUARANTEED

Method of Travel? (3, Funny)

OctoberSky (888619) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680438)

Do they use the Back to the Future method or the Bill and Teds method of time travel?

Also, did they attempt to spin the Earth backwards on its axis? I heard that works if there is a lady in distress.

Hooray for calculus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680441)

I know my calculus.
It says U+Me=Us

This article is flamebait. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680445)

Why does time need to have a continuous change in direction? Call backwards time t_b and let's say t_b = -t. Then d(t_b)/dt = -1. Backwards. I am not a physicist or mathematician, so please debunk this if need be.

The author does very little to back up his assertions. He just states them and assumes they are true. He also calls String Theory crackpottery.

No distance = Good News!!!?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680450)

"The good news is that distance is an illusion and we'll be able to travel instantly from anywhere to anywhere."

That is *good* news? I can think of a few ways that could be abused....

Let's play: spot the Loony (4, Insightful)

gevmage (213603) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680456)

Um, no.

I'm sorry, but if you're going to put up a web page in which you call all the foremost theoretical physicsts in the world frauds, then you'd better have more evidence than some undergraduate-level pseudo-calculus and verbal smoke screens.

The t-axis or time-axis velocity component is 1, a dimensionless number. Now there are relativists who will insist that it is perfectly acceptable to express velocity in time with a dimensionless number but the rest of us with our head on our shoulders, know that it is not true. We know that a dimensionless number such as 1 has absolutely no meaning in as far as expressing velocity.
Not true. Normalized velocities are perfectly reasonable things to express. Mach 1.25 is a perfectly well-defined speed that does not violate any laws of physics, and what do you know--it's a dimensionless number.

I'm sorry, but this page is really quite embarassing for the author's parents and any physics teacher's they've ever had. This sort of reminds me of people that read things like A Brief History of Time, a perfectly excellent book, and then try to tell me that the physics is really great and it would be so much better unencumbered by the mathematics.

I don't think real time travel, a-la Dr. Who is physically possible. But the "arguments" on this web page don't really make sense, much less prove all those physics wrong.

Craig Steffen
Ph.D. Physics, Indiana Unversity, 2001

Re:Let's play: spot the Loony (2, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680568)

Relax, it's a joke. Didn't you see the "It's funny. Laugh." foot icon?

Re:Let's play: spot the Loony (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680620)

Now that you mention it, I do, but when I first saw the story on the front page, it had the Einstein head icon.

Imagine a funny foot crushing your head. Forever (1)

SeanDuggan (732224) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680621)

And helpfully enough, it's ilustrating how the writer is trying to crush Einstein's theories. Nice.

Re:Let's play: spot the Loony (2, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680590)

but this page is really quite embarassing for the author's parents and any physics teacher's they've ever had

This page is probably there because the author enjoys making people who know better and are uptight about it get hot under the collar. In other words, he's trolling. If that's the case, the author would have to have a pretty decent grasp of the concepts he is mocking in order to know exactly which buttons to push.

Re:Let's play: spot the Loony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680652)

I don't consider his page to be a serious attempt at debunking anything. Too similar are his anologies to the ones made against other 'theories' like evolution.
Then again - maybe Earth is flat after all ;-)

another physics phd...

Re:Let's play: spot the Loony (1)

geeber (520231) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680653)

Considering that the word "Crackpots" is in the article's URL, I would say you have been trolled.

Mouses over the links - rebelscience? crackpots? (1)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680459)

Heh, I'll stick to journals like Science and Nature.

Ha! (4, Funny)

acherrington (465776) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680460)

distance is an illusion and we'll be able to travel instantly from anywhere to anywhere.


HA! Take this from a person who has been in a long distance relationship... The distance is a reality, the relationship is the illusion.

We really outa get these theoretical scientist types out of a lab for a beer.

I dont see why we try anymore (1)

CiXeL (56313) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680528)

Obviously Slashdot has jumped the shark.

We're getting more and more pseudoscience garbage.

If i see incredible claims on slashdot now i just check the posts first to see if its worth reading.

Slashdot is fading into uselessness for me.

Digg is just so much more useful.

I must complain (5, Funny)

elcheesmo (646907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680465)

That's it. I'm going to write a letter of complaint to Michael J. Fox and Christopher Lloyd to express my disgust at being deceived for the past 20 years.

Re:I must complain (1)

Landshark17 (807664) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680565)

My letter of complaint goes to Donnie Darko and his fuzzy friend Frank, the giant bunny rabbit.

Editorial Standards! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680470)

Please?

Yayy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680472)

I am glad to hear it. It's about damn time.

All you need for time travel is... (5, Funny)

WCMI92 (592436) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680476)

A Deloreon, a flux capacitor, 1.21 gigawatts of power, and enough road to get up to 88 miles per hour.

Re:All you need for time travel is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680579)

Roads?

Re:All you need for time travel is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680638)

Where we're going, we don't need roads.

Steam Engine (1)

dunc78 (583090) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680596)

I've heard that it is also possible with a steam driven locomotive.

Re:All you need for time travel is... (1)

SquadBoy (167263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680606)

Wow, everybody in 1955 was on fire. I didn't know that.

Re:All you need for time travel is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680658)

You've obviously not been to 2015 yet...

Contradictory statements (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680481)

The bad news is that time does not change. In other words, no time travel to the past or the future, no motion in space-time, no wormholes and no hanky-panky with your great, great grandmother. There is only the changing present, aka the NOW. The good news is that distance is an illusion and we'll be able to travel instantly from anywhere to anywhere."

Those are contradictory statements. If you can travel from anywhere to anywhere instantly, then you can also travel from any point to any point in time instantly. Why? Because it's just another dimension of space-time.

In the future i'm going to laugh at you (1)

chanrobi (944359) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680483)

... when this turns out to be another one of those, "people used to believe the Earth was flat" scenarios.

To the future (3, Funny)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680485)

Going forward is easy. The hard part is not dying.

uh oh - here come creationists (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680486)

"distance is an illusion"

doesn't that help creationists explain how star's light gets to earth in time for us to see it?

Re:uh oh - here come creationists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680556)

That's just a screensaver meant to trick us or whatever, like the dinosaurs

good news is a steady-state immortal universe (1)

Cryofan (194126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680491)

This also means that the universe will last forever in steady state, so that mankind has a chance to be immortal. And if mankind can be immortal, you or I can be immortal.

But ya gotta make it to a future where medicine can keep you alive forever. And that aint the case now.

May I suggest cryonics?

No time travel into the future? (2, Informative)

Caspian (99221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680494)

"no time travel to the past or the future..."

Discounting the obvious fact that each and every one of us are traveling into the future at one second per second, time travel into the future is a proven fact-- if you define "time travel" the right way. That is, if you define "time travel" as "moving at some velocity significantly different from one second per second through time", rather than "instantly POOFing from one time to another", "time travel" forwards is as simple as traveling at high relativistic speeds.

Slashdot allows any bullshit site now? (1, Insightful)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680496)

So, I can start up any old domain and post some random crap, and it'll get posted as the truth on Slashdot?

Of course "time travel" is possible. Of course in one's own frame, their time will always be the "present". But, other people have different frames, and if you move relative to them, your "present" won't match up with theirs. So, if you leave the Earth at a high speed, turn around, and come back, you'll be in the Earth's future, but it will still be your present.

Thanks for the bullshit links, though, I'll be sure not to read them.

Re:Slashdot allows any bullshit site now? (3, Insightful)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680536)

Then again, maybe I should just "laugh, it's funny"...

Oooh, a lesson in time travel! (1)

JoshWurzel (320371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680497)

From Mr. I'm-my-own-grandfather.

I'll keep dreaming, if you don't mind.

I desperately want to mod the story... (5, Funny)

precize (83096) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680498)

-1, Nutjob

Actually, ... (5, Funny)

JoeShmoe950 (605274) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680502)

I'm from the year 3042. We have found that time travel is real, and would have discovered the time machine in 2048, but scientists were detered by this article.
Dan Church is Wicked Ill [danchurch.tk]

The author is a loon (1)

aurum42 (712010) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680504)

"Kurt Gödel (how could I forget him?) is one of the gods of the voodoo science pantheon. Gödel is certainly the most often quoted yet inconsequential mathematician of the world. He is known for his incompleteness theorem, the most non-scientific, chicken-feather-voodoo nonsense ever penned by a member of the human species."
Exactly how was this accepted for submission, especially in the "Science" category? This would be more appropriate under "kooky humor", at best.

Re:The author is a loon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680657)

Kurt Gödel (how could I forget him?)


I'm still impressed. This is the first kook who can actually spell Gödel correctly. Not that it helped him understand anything, though...

Does this mean...? (2, Funny)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680505)

Does this mean then that there is no waiting till tomorrow to see what karma your Slashdot post generates, then zipping back to yesterday to fix it, before returning to today to relax knowing what karma your Slashdot post will have generated by tomorrow?

Didn't anyone hear... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680507)

The Vulcan Science Directorate has already determined that time travel is impossible, according to Subcommander T'Phol in the last Season One episode of Star Trek: Enterprise [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Didn't anyone hear... (1)

SilentOne (197494) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680614)

However the rest of the series contradicts them.

Semantic Gibberish (1)

Aspirator (862748) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680518)

I've seen better proofs that 1 = 0.

Textbook strawman arguments. (5, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680519)

Spatial velocity is given as dx/dt. Velocity in time(dt/dt) is nonsensical.

That would be a lovely argument if changes in position were measured in velocity.

You describe spacial travel as the dx, not the dx/dt. It stands to reason that you would describe time travel with the dt, not as some rate of travel we haven't come up with yet.

blatant Ad Hominem attacks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680530)

Expecting something resembling science, instead I was presented with these waay out of line attacks, following by loony unscientific rambling.

It's one thing to have a useless loony theory and peddle it off as science. But the writer's caustic personal attacks against some of our greatest physicists is certainly not appreciated.

Closet time travel (4, Funny)

GodWasAnAlien (206300) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680531)

Go into your closet, and bring enough food and water for 5 years.
Now wait...and eat sometimes.
5 years later, exit the closet.
You will find that time of the world has advanced from when last remembered by 5 years.

PS. don't forget to setup an auto-pay for your residential rent/payment. Otherwise your travel may be interrupted, and you will not be able to travel the full 5 years.

Don't trust articles with no author (2, Interesting)

ecorona (953223) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680532)

The people who wrote this article also wrote this... " I will argue that the messages to the seven churches of Asia are a metaphorical description of the organization and operation of the brain. I will further argue that the golden lampstand (Jewish menorah) symbolizes a seven-node sequence in brain memory." Hmm, it certainly is curious that the author of the article is not revealed. Probably some first year calculus student who was like "Holy guacamole! dt/dt = 1, Einstein and Hawking are crackpots! I must tell the world!"

of course time travel is impossible (1)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680544)

this is because we live in a harmonic simultaneous 4-day time cube [timecube.com]

it's really quite simple:

Religious Singularity is evil,
Academic Singularity is evil.
Singularity is damnable lie,
Educators altered your mind,
You cannot think opposite of
what you were taught to think.
You have a cyclop perspective
and taught android mentality =
lobotomized analytical ability.
Educated singularity stupid -
You can't think 4 corner days.

Einstein misunderstood his own threory ? ... (1)

drgonzo59 (747139) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680560)

At least that is what his guy says...

I don't know about the rest of the Slashdot crowd, but I'll tend to side with Einstein here say "probably not"

Talking about time and how you can move through time doesn't make sense because time is part of spacetime and it is one entity. (Yes, that is exactly why it is spelled together as one word.) So one cannot travel in time if he is not traveling in space and vice-versa. I know, it is simple to say that but perhaps hard to understand, and that why there are people like this guy on the internet saying that "Einstein misunderstood hiw own theory."

Huh? (1)

Maury Markowitz (452832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680578)

A crackpot web page is now material for Slashdot?

I'd better get started...

time is just an artifact of human consciousness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680582)

In reality, there is no time, only events. Some of those events are observed to occur between other events, so one can say that x number of events occur in between y events. The human mind stores the occurance of
events and somehow due to the makeup of our consciousness it appears to be some continuum.

Not nearly as cool as timecube... (4, Interesting)

Otto (17870) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680586)

This guy is good, but he's not nearly as entertaining or mind-warping as the TimeCube [timecube.com] guy. Four days in one!!!

I raise you... (1)

Expert Determination (950523) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680591)

...400 crackpots [mac.com] . Really, why is this a front page /. story?

Oooo Denied ~! (1)

layer3switch (783864) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680595)

http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/ [rebelscience.org]

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /Crackpots/ on this server.
...

That's all there is to know about this article.

It's the way I always thought (1)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680600)

It's intuitive and I always basically thought this, but never had the physics credentials to really back it up - even to myself.

Anyway, heard some people with Physics PhDs talking about time travel on the Discovery Channel more than a few times (last time, sending messages back with a laser....), what's the credibility of this guy or article?

It's funny...laugh. (1)

Call Me Black Cloud (616282) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680604)


It sounds like this is an "awful link of the day" from Something Awful. Let's get this guy into the same room as time cube guy [timecube.com] and see what happens!

List of Crackpots (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680608)

I don't know, I think I'll believe Einstein, Hawking, etc about this one. Seeing as they came up with the whole thing.

Amazing. (1)

Z0mb1eman (629653) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680610)

Who is this Louis Savain guy, and why should we care that he thinks he's smarter than a long list of respected physicists/scientists/etc?

Let's take this little tidbit, randomly selected:


      STEPHEN HAWKING: Time travel might be possible, but if that is the case why haven't we been overrun by tourists from the future?

[Here Sir Stephen is a skeptic regarding time travel to the past although, he subsequently changed his mind and now believes that time travel is possible. Still he believes in time travel toward the future and that makes him a time travel crackpot.]


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't time travel toward the future as simple as accelerating relative to an observer? Eg. austronauts returning to earth have "travelled" to the future a small amount of time relative to those who stayed on earth - and the amount would grow as they approach the speed of light?

I don't claim to understand this stuff, but I thought that much was agreed upon... if this guy doesn't seem aware even of this, why should I care about even one word he says?

Idiocy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680615)

"Spatial velocity is given as dx/dt. Velocity in time(dt/dt) is nonsensical."

This is, pardon me for saying so, a terrible misunderstanding of what people mean when they talk abobut "time travel"

Of couse for a given person, with their own frame of refernce, time always seems to move forward at the same rate. This may be just the only way humans can percieve time, or it may be a fundemental fact of the universe.

But that's not what's interesting. The question is whether dx/dt equals dx'/dt', for some observer's frame of reference. In other words, while my apparent time always moves at the same rate, do YOU AS A SEPERATE OBSERVER see me as moving backwards or forwards in time?

dt/dt is nonsensical. dt/dt' is not.

Time Slows (1)

dannyelfman (717583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680617)

This reminds me that Stephen Hawking quipped that were time travel possible ``... One would also expect to have seen large numbers of tourists from the future, curious to look at our quaint, old-fashioned ways. ''

However, time travel *is* possible in a theoretical sort of way. Time slows down as you approach the speed of light. This has been proven many times. If you took a ride on a rocket that traveled 3/4 the speed of light and whent in one direction for 6 months, then turned around and came back, you would have only aged a year but time on earth would have gone by MUCH faster. You have in a sense, traveled to the future. Good luck getting home though.....

Is this an Aflac commercial? (1)

kulakovich (580584) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680618)


Quack.

Quack quack.


Quaaaaaaack.

kulakovich


for non-us users - Aflac is an insurance company represented by a Duck with bad luck:Aflac [aflac.com] . And has had many clever television commercials.

Selective Quoting (1)

davidoff404 (764733) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680619)

I like the page of "Physicists who know the truth" [rebelscience.org] on this guy's site. In particular, his quote from Bob Geroch,

"There is no dynamics within space-time itself: nothing ever moves therein; nothing happens; nothing changes."

show's that he completely misunderstands what Geroch is saying about spacetime. Spacetime is non-dynamical by definition you damn loon.

Amusing, But Not, Really (1)

American AC in Paris (230456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680622)

From Mr. Savian's home page: [rebelscience.org]

"There is a foolproof way to spot a voodoo scientist. If a scientist claims to have a theory about a natural phenomenon but is unable to explain the theory in a simple language that the average layman can understand, one can be absolutely certain that he is as clueless about the nature of the phenomenon in question as anybody else. Voodoo science is not about understanding nature but about working at being so incomprehensible or so arcane to one's fellow human beings as to be regarded as brilliant. The weapon of choice of a voodoo scientist is mathematics. The truth is that a scientist's understanding of a phenomenon is inversely proportional to the number of math equations he uses to describe it. Neither Newton's gravity equation nor the equations of General Relativity explain why things fall. But what better way is there to hide one's cluelessness while presenting a façade of erudition than to use obscure equations to erect an impregnable mountain of obfuscation? Voodoo science is guru science."

There you have it. Does your proof involve advanced mathematics? Can you explain your theory in short sentences and small words? If not, it is a certaintly you're a arrogant, vain, brainless crackpot who is more concerned with looking smart than anything else.

This guy must have been picked on by nuclear physicists and molecular biologists when he was a kid, 'cuz he has a major bug up his ass when it comes to, well, the entire scientific community. Welcome to the ranks of Alex Chiu and Timecube, Mr. Savian.

No solid proofs, Sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14680645)

Nice commentary, but no solid proofs. Nothing to see here, please move along.

can I mod this article -1 Troll? (1)

theStorminMormon (883615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680648)

How is it informative reading to present a list of scientists you disagree with and then say each one is an idiot? There was no actual information conveyed by that article that I'm aware of.

-stormin

Actually (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680655)

it just says you can't change it.
If you went back in time, all that would mean is that you were their when then was a now.

But your saying, if there is only a now, how can there have been a future to come back from?

In response I can only say "Who the hell do you think I am, F'n Sir Stephen Hawking?"

This is blasphemy! (1)

cnerd2025 (903423) | more than 8 years ago | (#14680660)

How the hell do you call this "news"? We bitch about the media making stupid arguments; this is just drivel! He calls the people who developed his supporting theories crackpots. CmdrTaco, we demand better /. posts than this. Did you even READ the article? A site which calls itself "rebelscience.org" raises an immediate red flag with me. It doesn't help that the author labeled the directory his article is in as "Crackpots". I'd expect to read about anal probes and alien abductions on such a website. This website was just ridiculous. At least the Uncyclopedia http://uncyclopedia.org/> has humor. This is just psuedo-science at the masque. I really hate this shit, not for the content itself (I know the guy is full of himself), but for the people who'll believe it and then say "Einstein and Hawking are crackpots!" without knowing what the fuck they're talking about. Maybe the "dept." at the top of the posting should read "from the art-bell-was-right dept."
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