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GnuCash 1.9.0 Released

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the congratulations-to-all dept.

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Grendel Drago writes "The GnuCash team have released GnuCash 1.9.0. After literally years of waiting, GnuCash is now a GTK2 application. The current version is unstable, and testers are needed."

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heh, gtk2 (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682425)

gnucash was by far my toughest install ever on linux.

Finally (5, Funny)

Mrs. Grundy (680212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682426)

FTFA:
...might crash unexpectedly at any point during runtime.

Finally...software that is a perfect fit for my finances.

Re:Finally (2, Funny)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682457)

Fortunately, it's free as in beer! So even if it blows your finances you'll always be able to afford it. If need be you can run it on cheap legacy hardware. Now all you have to worry about is electricity...

Re:Finally (1, Flamebait)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682464)

Seriously, How can they *release* it if it is known to be unstable. Had it been a beta release, it would have made sense.

Re:Finally (5, Informative)

david.gilbert (605443) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682520)

From TFA:

The GnuCash development team proudly announces GnuCash 1.9.0 aka "We're gonna make it!", the first of several unstable 1.9.x releases of the GnuCash Open Source Accounting Software which will eventually lead to the stable version 2.0.0. This release is the very first of the gtk2-based GnuCash series, and is intended for developers and adventurous testers who want to help tracking down all those bugs that are still in there.

Re:Finally (3, Informative)

sp0rk173 (609022) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682627)

It is a beta release. Odd numbered releases, like the linux kernel, are unstable in GnuCash. The poster just didn't mention that. 2.0 will be the stable release. This is nothing more than a preview/stress test of new features and the new interface.

Clearly, you're a moron.

Re:Finally (2, Funny)

neokushan (932374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683388)

You were doing well at explaining that until you said "you're a moron", which is the part where I, and likely many others, lost all respect for you.

Re:Finally (1)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683577)

Uhm, see, in Linux, and probably other things too, there are different releases. Some are called stable, because they are stable, some are called testing, because they are testing. Some are called unstable because...because...

Re:Finally (3, Funny)

Horas (932560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682527)

Well - dataloss is very dangerous. So bann all this "unstable software" and use software which calls home and saves all your vital private finance information by sending them to the author over the internet.

Really. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682895)

A buggy piece of Open Source software. Imagen that.

Just what I needed (4, Funny)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682432)

A buggy, unstable money management program... BRILLIANT!

Re:Just what I needed (1)

linguae (763922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682503)

It's in BETA. As in use at your own risk, capiche?

Re:Just what I needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682838)

I'm pretty sure the correct spelling for that word is capisce. Still, not a bad guess. Much better than people who use
"walla" for "voila".

Re:Just what I needed (2, Interesting)

Nutria (679911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682944)

If the word was French, (I think) that would be the correct word. Since it's Italian, it's capice.

My Dad loved to use that word when he was yelling at me. It took me years to verify that he meant "understand".

Re:Just what I needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682510)

Worked out for Microsoft Money, didn't it?

Re:Just what I needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682529)

Just what I need - a finance program that doesn't drain my finances!

Re:Just what I needed (1)

nvrrobx (71970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682663)

Considering it's an open source application, why don't you help with it, test it and submit defects instead of just complaining about how a beta might be unstable?

Re:Just what I needed (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682978)

Typical moronic open-source zealot answer. Guess what? Most of us who actually have a need for a money management programme don't have time to waste on fixing other people's apps. I do that for a living during the day. That living pays for the rest of my life which sure as hell doesn't involve more time with the computer (hint: it involves family and friends). We just want software that works. Whatever it's faults, Quicken has been doing a good enough job at this for years.

Re:Just what I needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683122)

Let me get this straight, you have a tool that does exactly what you want, and don't want to deal with new development software. So why did you bother reading the article? It's said and said, but if you don't care, don't bother with it! Theres no need to attempt to deride other people's enjoyment because all your problems are solved.

Re:Just what I needed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683178)

For the love of Pete, you're arguing against yourself. Let me recap: The software is free and you have the ability to test it, fix it, and submit bugs or suggest improvements. If you're not interested in that, and want software that "just works", then other options are available to you.

So, what exactly is the point of complaining about a free software that doesn't work for you?

That's what the GP asked, and what you consider zealotry for some reason known only to you.

Re:Just what I needed (1)

nvrrobx (71970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683182)

Typical moronic response from you, too. Oh, and no, I don't feel like I need to hide behind an AC mask.

"Software that works" works because it has a development and a QA team. Open source doesn't always have the luxury of both being totally dedicated teams. My point was that if you're going to take the time to complain about it, do something about it! Help the project, *or*, go spend money on Quicken, Moneydance, Microsoft Money, etc and use them. There's nothing remotely productive or constructive about the OP's comments.

Oh, and FYI, I'm a developer on a piece of proprietary software, and I was a member of its QA staff for several years too. I happen to like aspects of both development models (open source and proprietary) and I am hardly a zealot of either.

Re:Just what I needed (2, Funny)

Zarquil (187770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683214)

Typical whinging NIMBY answer.

"Let the *other guys* do all the work and just give me the final product."

In fact, why don't we just send them all over to your place to enter your transactions and then balance them for you?

Guess what? It's strictly optional. YOU don't have to lift a damned finger if you don't want. *I* am going to download it tonight and give it a go because I want to.

I consult fixing other people's computers - solving their software problems. Guess what? I'm good at what I do. I'm good at it because I take the time poking around with programs that interest me. GNUcash holds my interest. Quicken - bless it's popularity - is a festering piece of crap I can't stand to use.

Hey, that's still my choice. I don't have to use Quicken, I opt to use GNUcash. Now I get the chance to beta-test for them. I don't expect to find a lot, but if I do it'll help a bunch of other users out there. That's cool to me.

You don't have to pitch in. But neither do you have to bitch about beta-testing in the Open Source fashion.

  Zarquil
    A tad surly, it seems.

With a web browser (2, Insightful)

FS (10110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682746)

Why I would want a web browser that is able to browse the Internet inside an application that holds all my financial information? Sounds Microsoft Money-ish to me. I'd prefer to keep applications separate so there is less possibility that a malicious website could pull financial information off my computer.

Re:With a web browser (2, Insightful)

alan.briolat (903558) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682932)

I would agree. They copied the wrong "feature" there. Who in their right mind browses the net like that?

Of course in MS Money it was worse, considering the browser is IE-based, and therefore shares the security holes... Might as well just mass-mail your financial details...

Re:Just what I needed (0, Troll)

barkingcorndog (629651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682791)

You misspelled 'Brillant'.

Re:Just what I needed (1)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683598)

I don't think the parent was trying to troll, this is a classic TheDailyWTF reference. http://www.thedailywtf.com/ [thedailywtf.com]

Re:Just what I needed (2, Insightful)

ChrisA90278 (905188) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683086)

" unstable money management program... BRILLIANT!" I assume you ment this as a joke. Of course the authors of the program don't want it to be unstable. One very good way to make sure it is stable is to widely test it. You would be really stupid to test it using your real data.

So here is YOUR chance to save the world from buggey unstable money managment. Download it, and send it well written reports of any bugs you find.

Re:Just what I needed (3, Funny)

db32 (862117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683190)

Microsoft Money?

At last! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682447)

After literally years of waiting, GnuCash is now a GTK2 application. The current version is unstable, and testers are needed.

2007 ... will be the year of Linux On The Desktop!

Years of waiting... (4, Insightful)

gameboyhippo (827141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682453)

Who's been waiting? I liked the application the way it is. With something as important as finacial tracking, there's no way I'd want to test it. I don't need a pretty ui to tell me I'm broke.

Re:Years of waiting... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682495)

I don't need a pretty ui to tell me I'm broke.

You're missing the point, with this buggy software you will either think you are rich or, due to bugs, will be something you can blame for being broke.

Re:Years of waiting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682575)

Two points:

(1)No way you'd test it? Then don't test it. Others will. Bitching about it is stupid and a waste of time

(2)If everyone thought like you, there would be no quality open source software.

And as for who's been waiting for this, I have. I happen to like things on my desktop looking consistant. Seriously man, next time keep your goddamn mouth shut.

Re:Years of waiting... (2, Interesting)

jayloden (806185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683176)

Ever try compiling it, particularly on Slackware? I liked GnuCash when i tried it last, but trying to install it can be a real pain in the ass if you dont have a package for it available. Converting it to GTK in this instance was more than a cosmetic change, it was probably to get away from Gnucash's heavy dependencies on legacy libs and make future code changes more portable.

Did they add a webserver to it? (0, Troll)

SirJaxalot (715418) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682463)

Cause it looks like it crashed! LOLOLO I AM SO FUNAY! MICRO$oFT

Fantastic! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682477)

My system has everything but the kitchen sink installed. Will that satisfy its dependencies, or do I need to find a plumber?

FINALLY! (5, Informative)

VValdo (10446) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682488)

I've been waiting for this FOREVER. Another alternative for Linux is Moneydance [moneydance.com] , a java app that apparently spoofs Windows quicken online banking on Macs (or Linux)..

It would be nice for someone to do a mini-review or comparison of the different FOSS or FOSS-friendly financial packages, because frankly, I'm ready to leave Intuit.

Oh, and speaking of which--y'all know that you can file your taxes for free [irs.gov] , right? Or at least 70% of Americans can. Down from 100% last year, but still something.

W

Re:FINALLY! (0, Flamebait)

publius_jr (808330) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682633)

Is that you Georgie? Taking advantage of the opportunity to boost voluntary tax compliance amongst your fellow citizens: "File taxes, it's FREEEEE!" Helluva job, Shrub. Helluva job.

Re:FINALLY! (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682634)

Another alternative for Linux is Moneydance, a java app that apparently spoofs Windows quicken online banking on Macs (or Linux).

What do you mean by "Spoofs?" I know the author put considerable effort into making it familiar for quicken users, but everything you see is pure Java code written by the author himself. I spoke with him on several occasions, and even managed to finagle a special version with plugin support out of him. Unfortunately, I never completed the project I wanted it for. (Creating a WAP interface to add transactions to Moneydance from my phone.) Sadly, I wasn't able to get ahold of a WAP enabled phone at the time, and lost interest by the time I did. :-(

P.S. GMail users: You MUST try out the new IM in the GMail interface. It has this cool spinning smiley feature. :-)

Re:FINALLY! (2, Informative)

VValdo (10446) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682886)

By spoofs, I mean--

It's my understanding that Moneydance can appear to banks as if it were Windows Quicken, when really it's Moneydance running on a Mac, or whatever.

If I'm wrong about this, someone correct me, because this is an important feature that I'd kinda need for my bank...

W

Financial programs (1)

jd (1658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682977)

They look ok, the GUI is fine, etc. I don't see any way of conversing with my bank, though, or any e-commerce system (billing systems, store accounts, etc) or commercial database (currency exchange, etc). Those would be great. Mondo support would be cool, if only someone used their cards, as it would be convenient to be able to download cash. (For those who don't remember them, Mondo released a "smartcard" called the Mondex, which stored cash on a smartcard. Unlike debit cards, it didn't connect to a bank, transfers were direct to and from the card itself, which - if I recall correctly - had its own RSA hardware, CPU and a bunch of other hardware. They were useless purely because they were never in wide enough use to be a practical method of paying for anything.) There aren't any meaningful micropayment systems left, so support for them wouldn't help. Paypal support would be good, but I guess that still really comes under banks.


I'm not saying GnuCash is bad - it's very good at what it does, it's just not doing enough for what I'd want.

Re:Financial programs (3, Informative)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683315)

I don't see any way of conversing with my bank, though
Gnucash supports QIF and OFX import.
or commercial database (currency exchange, etc).
It also has various places to download current price data like this--I get my stock prices this way.
I'm not saying GnuCash is bad - it's very good at what it does, it's just not doing enough for what I'd want.
It does more than you give it credit for.

Re:FINALLY! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683006)

y'all know that you can file your taxes for free [irs.gov], right? Or at least 70% of Americans can.

But, really, does anyone still make below $50k/yr.?

Re:FINALLY! (1)

forevermore (582201) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683151)

I gave up. I switched to moneydance last week, and other than having to get used to the new UI, it's great. The ability to auto-download my credit card and bank info is totally worth the $30.

Re:FINALLY! (1)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683286)

The ability to auto-download my credit card and bank info is totally worth the $30.
But Gnucash also has OFX support to do this! I even have a cron job set to download both the info from my financial institutions and my stock quotes each day--whether I open GnuCash or not.

Re:FINALLY! (4, Informative)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683254)

It would be nice for someone to do a mini-review or comparison of the different FOSS or FOSS-friendly financial packages, because frankly, I'm ready to leave Intuit.
I maintain the FW Finance FAQ: Free and Open Source Finance Applications [fatwallet.com] , which (1)offers this, (2)links to other (usually more detailed) comparisons, and (3)offers ongoing discussion on the topic.

Re:FINALLY! (1)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683635)

The company I work for does online backups for Intuit, please don't leave, they'll be losing one of the smartest customers they probably have.

So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682493)

Will this do my taxes?

Not a M$ Windos fan but..... (0, Flamebait)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682505)

It seems to me that if your finances are at stake here, you would buy and rely on the support of trusted sofware. M$ and Quicken have been at this for years and it is thier business. They support the customer (well, at least Quicken anyway). This is one plays that gnu will not succeed.

Re:Not a M$ Windos fan but..... (3, Interesting)

brxndxn (461473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682760)

I bought Quicken Deluxe 2006. And, I started entering in a bunch of data. I found a flaw where if you enter data quickly by tabbing through the boxes, it will eliminate the categories you need for reporting taxes..

I spent about 2 hours talking to an Indian guy over chat who barely spoke English who could not help me. He switched me over to a hispanic girl who spoke even less English at me for another 3 hours. Seriously.. both spoke horrible English. About three-fourths of my effort went to trying to communicate with them. Also, they knew shit about Quicken. It was easy to tell I knew more about it than them - just they were there as 'support' for idiots only or something.

Then, I called in the next day and spoke with person after person for another three hours. Each time, I had to duplicate the problem on my end, reinstall Quicken, duplicate the problem again.. and show them how to duplicate it. They duplicated it and still could not tell me how to fix it. They said they will send it to the development team. That was a month ago.. Hopefully they can fix this before tax season.

Whereas, in open source, if there was a problem like this, I could probby get one of the developers to issue a minor quickfix in a matter of days..

Hopefully there's a way to convert all my current data (about 50 hours of entry worth) into GnuCash's format. I'm definitely willing to give it a try..

Time is money (1)

karlto (883425) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682851)

Hopefully there's a way to convert all my current data (about 50 hours of entry worth) into GnuCash's format. I'm definitely willing to give it a try..

Don't ring support again - another 10 phone calls and you could re-key it...
I think it is some kind of rule that any support hotline may not be manned by people that are native english speakers.

Re:Not a M$ Windos fan but..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683326)

gnucash has qif import

Re:Not a M$ Windos fan but..... (1)

Noksagt (69097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683434)

Hopefully there's a way to convert all my current data (about 50 hours of entry worth) into GnuCash's format. I'm definitely willing to give it a try.
Gnucash does have QIF import. Moving between any financial application often leads to "strange things," but my migration went O.K. (You also used to be able to pay someone to migrate your data to Gnucash for you, though I never used that service...)

Re:Not a M$ Windos fan but..... (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683641)

Which is why I always trudge down to H&R Block, and sit in front of a Real Person (TM) who not only does the data entry, but can also call over a manager (who might actually be a CPA) if he/she gets in trouble. Also, I get some limited liability coverage (although you are still responsable for having all your forms). Followed by... in all the years I've sent it in through Block, I've never been audited or had the IRS send back a correction (like they did once when I did it myself).

If you want to risk spending days of your time doing taxes yourself, and wonder whether or not the software carried the decimal properly, then by all means buy software, set it up, and do it yourself. If you value your time, have a Real Person (TM), either a retail outfit like Block, or (probably more expensive) a CPA do it.

Of course if your taxes are trivial this advice doesn't apply. When I've been able to use the EZ form, I've done it myself no problem; but this year I've got a move across state lines and a number of other issues. No way would I even think about it. The time saved and piece of mind is well worth it. Plus they usually have free coffee.

Ask Bill (2, Funny)

msbsod (574856) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682515)

Once it works for him, it certainly works for all of us.

I Am Really Interested In Looking This Over (5, Informative)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682528)

Since it is slashdotted, here are some excerpts from the site:

The GnuCash development team proudly announces GnuCash 1.9.0 aka "We're gonna make it!", the first of several unstable 1.9.x releases of the GnuCash Open Source Accounting Software which will eventually lead to the stable version 2.0.0. This release is the very first of the gtk2-based GnuCash series, and is intended for developers and adventurous testers who want to help tracking down all those bugs that are still in there.

What's New in GnuCash 1.9.0?
o Welcome to GnuCash 1.9.0 aka "We're gonna make it!" the first of several unstable releases of the GnuCash Open Source Accounting Software which will eventually lead to the stable version 2.0.0. This release is the very first of the gtk2-based GnuCash series and is intended for developers and adventurous testers who want to help tracking down bugs.
o WARNING WARNING WARNING - Make sure you make backups of any files used in testing versions of GnuCash in the 1.9.x series. Although the developers go to great lengths to ensure that no data will be lost we cannot guarentee that your data will not be affected if for some reason GnuCash crashes in testing these releases.
o PLEASE TEST TEST AND TEST SOME MORE any and all features important to you. Then post any bugs you find to bugzilla http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Gn uCash [gnome.org]
o If you have the urge to help beyond testing please get involved in the discussions on the GnuCash mailing lists which you will find at http://www.gnucash.org./ [www.gnucash.org] We especially need people to help with updating the documentation as all texts refer currently to the 1.8.x series. Please see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Development [gnucash.org] on how to get involved.
o PS I'm not going to list the many features changed or updated in this release because obviously there is so much that has changed.
Caveats

Caveats for testers:

        * Any 1.9.x version might crash unexpectedly at any point during runtime. If you test some serious work in a 1.9.x release, make sure you hit "Save" after ever non-trivial workstep.
        * Keep in mind that features which are not used in everyday work might crash unexpectedly at all times. This includes but is not limited to: graphical reports, scheduled transaction editor, price editor, financial calculator, OFX/QIF/HBCI import.
        * Especially all the new features might crash instantly on testing. This applies in particular to any of the budget-related features. We may always decide to disable such new features for the initial 2.0.0 release, and re-enable them in a later release.
        * The documentation is completely outdated. All help texts usually only refer to the 1.8.x series; please expect all descriptions in the help texts to be totally wrong when applied to the upcoming 1.9.x series. Everyone is invited to help improve the documentation; see http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Development [gnucash.org] on how to get involved.

How can you help?

        * Testing: Test it and help us discover all bugs that might show up in there. Please enter each and every bug into bugzilla at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Gn uCash [gnome.org]
        * Translating: The new release comes with plenty of new translation strings. If you consider contributing a translation, we invite you to test this release already, but please keep in mind that we are not yet in our string freeze phase. Please check http://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation_Status [gnucash.org] for updates on this, as we recommend to wait for the string freeze phase for the serious translation work.

Available at the usual places!

http://www.gnucash.org/ [gnucash.org]

http://download.sourceforge.net/gnucash [sourceforge.net]

Re:I Am Really Interested In Looking This Over (3, Informative)

he-sk (103163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682779)

> PS I'm not going to list the many features changed or updated in this release because obviously there is so much that has changed

Like what? I was eagerly awaiting this release, mainly because GTK1 sucks on OS X (no umlauts in my experience). So far, the only changes I noticed (besides the GTK2 switch) is budgeting and closing of a financial year, both of which I haven't tried so far. Plus a dubious UI change by presenting account windows as tabs and not as real windows, meaning you can only see one account at a time. It still has the old UI bugs, my favorite being that the reports don't resize with the window and that reports are lost when you switch files. This after years of work.

GnuCrash? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682552)

Am I the only one who read GnuCrash?

Re:GnuCrash? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682602)

Yes.

Sounds familiar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682561)

Isn't this what Enron used?

GNUCash Ported Elsewhere? (2, Interesting)

Pentrant (700080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682591)

I've been using GNUCash on Linux for awhile, and have wanted to also use it on Windows, as I've found it to be better than Quicken and the like. I looked for a Windows port, but the only thing I found were some messages saying something to the effect of "Wait until it's on GTK2."

With this news, it looks like a port might finally be reachable. This may be the next great OSS app that I can show off to friends and family, and I'll be able to use it on my Windows laptop. Here's to the GNUCash team for all their hard work!

Re:GNUCash Ported Elsewhere? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682759)

Unlikely that Gnucash will be ported to Windows.

1) Lack of manpower in the current GNUCash development team. Honestly kudos to them to get it this far.

2) As this is a Gnome2 app, all of the hooks into the GUI are now Gnome2. Unless someone is doing a Gnome2 port to Windows, along with the multitude of dependant libraries than GNUCash uses, I don't see this happening.

Re:GNUCash Ported Elsewhere? (2, Insightful)

phoenix.bam! (642635) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682865)

Gnome2? Do you mean GTK2? there is a difference. Is there something I'm missing that links GNUcash to gnome other than they both use the same GTK2 toolkit?

Re:GNUCash Ported Elsewhere? (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682967)

beforenow it did requir gnome, you could use cygwin to load it but that is ugly

Re:GNUCash Ported Elsewhere? (1)

Mr. Frilly (6570) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682980)

Well, GnuCash is a GTK app, not a GNOME app.

But all of GTK2 and most of GNOME has already been ported to windows anyway. You can get prebuilt binaries for most of the libraries at: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/platform/2.12/2.12.0 /win32/dependencies/ [gnome.org]

I'm not sure how many extraneous libraries GnuCash 1.9 relies on... but if all the libraries already have windows ports, it's really easy. As an example, the last GTK2 app I ported to windows took about 30 minutes of time.

And the native MacOSX GTK2 port seems to be coming along as well.

Re:GNUCash Ported Elsewhere? (4, Interesting)

wik (10258) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683253)

>I'm not sure how many extraneous libraries GnuCash 1.9 relies on...

If it's anything like the 1.8 version, it relies on at piles of esoteric packages [gnucash.org] . Why this program has significant portions written in scheme (of all things!), I will never understand.

I use the program, but it requires extraordinary care and maintenance. There was an issue with debian package dependencies sometime last year which completely broke gnucash for weeks. It's simply poor software design. Now I run it within a vmware player image which never gets updated, so I can be sure that it'll start tomorrow.

Re:GNUCash Ported Elsewhere? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683302)

Note: the GNOME 2.12 components are still experimental on Win32. I think gtk+ 2.8 which GNOME 2.12 depends on is not stable yet.

gtk+ 2.4 and gtk+ 2.6 is considered stable on win32 though.

http://www.gimp.org/win32/ [gimp.org]

Re:GNUCash Ported Elsewhere? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683179)

"I've been using GNUCash on Linux for awhile, and have wanted to also use it on Windows, as I've found it to be better than Quicken"

Although more suited to business, you may want to check out sql-ledger. It's multi-platform capable, free as in beer, and in every way an equal to Quickbooks:

http://www.sql-ledger.org/ [sql-ledger.org]

Where I come from it's called a failure... (-1, Troll)

syousef (465911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682623)

"After literally years of waiting, GnuCash is now...unstable."

Um I know the point is it's been ported to GTK, but if this aspect has taken years, and it's a buggy piece of crap, then it's a failure. Unless there's something revolutionary here, how about learning from it and moving on...

Either that or try renaming it GnuCrash. Too bad you're not making money or it could be GnuCashCow. Better yet combine them: GnuCrashCow. I've got a mental image of a cow stuffed in a car, in a crash helmet and the guys from myth busters talking the bollox they always do.

Re:Where I come from it's called a failure... (0, Troll)

sp0rk173 (609022) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682678)

Where I come from, you're called a motard.

Re:Where I come from it's called a failure... (1)

hobbesx (259250) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682795)

Where I come from it's called a failure

Holy *Crap*. It's a development version, jackass. The whole point is for other developers to try it out and report the problems. Writing accounting related software sucks, and they're improving the situation (or at the least, trying). Cut 'em some slack!

Re:Where I come from it's called a failure... (3, Insightful)

symbolic (11752) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683082)

Come on... they've just done a major conversion, and now it's testing time. OF COURSE it's going to crash. Why not channel your criticism into more constructive uses of your time and help with the testing?

Re:Where I come from it's called a failure... (3, Informative)

db32 (862117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683243)

I have been using GNUcash 1.8.X for some time and it has never crashed. I think the point is that 1.9.X is unstable because it has been converted to GTK2, not that the whole GNUcash application is unstable. The waiting part refers to the fact that everyone has been waiting for the GTK2 conversion to happen, since previously the project has stuck with GTK1. I would suggest doing some research and using the program before making such innane comments.

KMyMoney (4, Informative)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682740)

I gave up waiting and switched to KMyMoney [sourceforge.net] about a year ago. It did everything that my relatively simple personal finances require, plus supports nifty stuff like using KIO slaves to load and save its data files (so I can use sftp:// [ftp] from work to view my checking account on my home machine).

Now, I have nothing bad to say about GnuCash. It's a good program and served me well when I used it. I only mention KMyMoney as an alternative worth considering.

I know *exactly* what you mean. (2, Funny)

fluxrad (125130) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682976)

It was about three years ago in February that I decided to switch to BitchBetterHaveMyMoney, and I've never looked back. The application is rock solid. And it keeps track of not some of my money, but all of my money.

Truth be told, their motto is proof: "Through rain, sleet, snow, or dark of night: BitchBetterHaveMyMoney."

Re:KMyMoney (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683307)

I don't want to drag along all the KDE cruft just to run a money management app.

Re:KMyMoney (5, Insightful)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683624)

I don't want to drag along all the KDE cruft just to run a money management app.

Good point. A well-written money management app would implement its own widget toolkit, graphing engine, database backend, network stack, C library, and floating point handler. After all, why leverage the work of thousands of others when you can re-write it all, poorly, yourself?

Don't be a jackass. No reasonable size application is written from scratch anymore. The KMyMoney folks decided to use the KDE framework, just like the GnuCash group used all the "Gnome cruft" instead. If you want something totally minimal, perhaps I could introduce you to vi, bc, and grep. Wait - scratch that - bc depends on ncurses and readline. It may not be "pure" enough for someone of your discriminating tastes.

Woohoo! (3, Informative)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682782)

GNUCash is a *fantastic* finance tool. I use it every day to keep track of my tech consulting businesse's bank accounts, expenses, liabilities, and so on. It's absolutely great. It's so nice having tools like this that not only gives you equal (or greater) power than it's commercial alternatives, but is free (as in beer) so small and new businesses don't have to pay an arm and a leg to simply track their small business finances!

Horray!! Thank you, GNUCash team!!

Re:Woohoo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682845)

Astroturfing a free program. Yeesh.

Re:Woohoo! (1)

robertl234 (787648) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683212)

GNUCash is most definitely not the equal of its commercial equals, which in your case would be QuickBooks or PeachTree. GNUCash is decent if all you want is to keep track of your transactions but it's noticeably deficient in its online, printing, and report generating features.

Screenshot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14682855)

Pretty please?

Switched to Monedance last March... (1)

Stalin (13415) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682866)

...and haven't missed GnuCash one bit. As a personal finance manager, GnuCash sucks. Moneydance is easy to use and comes with a decent default account to get a new user started. Moneydance is well worth the minimal price tag if you need to keep track of your personal finances. If I needed to manage a small business I might re-consider GnuCash, but I'm not sure. I might look at other alternatives based on my prior experience with GnuCash.

http://www.moneydance.com/ [moneydance.com] if you are interested.

The Kot (4, Interesting)

msbsod (574856) | more than 8 years ago | (#14682941)

Here is a little example from the Gnucash source code:
char *
libgncmod_tax_us_LTX_gnc_module_path(void) {
#ifdef LOCALE_SPECIFIC_TAX
const char *thislocale = setlocale(LC_ALL, NULL);
if (strncmp(thislocale, "de_DE", 5) == 0)
return g_strdup("gnucash/tax/de_DE");
else
#endif
return g_strdup("gnucash/tax/us");
}
In plain English, this means if you know only your little backyard, then there is just US. Otherwise your world may include Germany, and the rest is, of course, US. Now, some people may find this funny. Others might cry. I am just confused. How can they write such code? It should read if Germany ... else if US ... else if ... else UNKNOWN, STOP! (or use perhaps a switch/case/default statement).

The last time I put numbers like the shown 5 into code was almost three decades ago in a Basic program. I have seen much better GNU software and hope someone removes the word GNU from this project's name.

No offense, but I thought financial planning software should comply with higher standards.

Re:The Kot (3, Informative)

ChaosDiscord (4913) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683429)

You're not fairly depicting the situation. Let's take a look at the source in question. Sadly the SVN server seems to be crushed at the moment, but this is representative [gnucash.org] . The filename is "gncmod-tax-us.c". The header reads "module definition/initialization for us tax info" Conclusion: this isn't a module intended for general consumption, but is US specific.

So, what's German tax information doing in there? Let's look a little further into the file where this exact same technique is repeated in another function... This is a very simple hack that loads the (new, special) German tax definition file in a German locale, or (default) loads the previous US tax file. */

A clear answer: this is a hack not really intended for general consumption. I'm guessing someone is experimenting with integrating the German data, but it isn't quite ready yet. LOCALE_SPECIFIC_TAX may be a "this is under development and will hopefully eventually work, but not now" setting. Little unused hackery and experiments live in most mainstream code, commented or #ifdefed out. It's fairly common in proprietary software because the end user has little to no chance of learning that they're there.

It looks like this little hack is present, if no enabled, in the trunk of their repository. That's not good and it should probably be removed (or marked more clearly so it doesn't accidentally ship). But it's hardly a Major Problem.

Re:The Kot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683578)

What the heck does a hack do in software like Gnucash? How many other hacks are there? The whole attitude of writing unstable software without guidelines for years is just wrong. Looks like a perfect example to me.

GnuCash 1.9.0 (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683020)

AKA GnuCrash O=8

Why O instead of o? because you will "loose" alot of money and be bleeding out of the ass when you are done using our software.

the end of dependence nightmares (1)

jeebee (229681) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683053)

Those who never tried building some of the previous GnuCash releases from scratch probably won't appreciate how monumental this is, but this version builds and runs on a stable Debian system without any updated libraries installed.

Previous versions were terribly difficult to build due to dependences on specific versions of rarely-used libraries. As a result, GnuCash was always late getting packaged for Linux distributions, and the delays likewise probably greatly reduced its adoption by users. The situation probably didn't help the development community's growth much, either.

I've used GnuCash for years, though, and I'll be happily beta testing this version (while keeping a copy of my finances in 1.8 at the same time). Great work, and thanks, guys!

Cash's not gnuCash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683101)

And that's what they would have to pay me to use it. Call me when Google's new payment service starts to accept it.

Not happy with any of them (3, Interesting)

chriguhose (676441) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683112)

I've been into Personal Finance Manager appliction for a while. Just for fun, because now that i actually make money i would like to manage my accounts in a proper way. Unfortunatly i've found that not to be easy at all.

Tried with:
GnuCash
Quicken
and now with MS Money

None of them really do what i want.

GnuCash had double entry accounting which i think is just much to manage for my personal finances. Support to import transaction was incomplete back then (only QIF format worked, and QIF is a PoS). Now it seems that they improved on that but still the double entry system makes me nervous.
Quicken is a buggy, ad invested piece of software. Whenever you click on a "function" you're send to some third party website. Their move to not allow import of QIF for certain types of accounts gave me the rest and i quit.
Money is not as ad invested, but buggy as well. But right know i still kinda like it, except that some general functionalities are missing that i really would like to see in the future.

What's missing in all of these PFM's is that they don't take stupid work away from me, they should help me, not give me more work than necessary.
Example: My Payee information that i download in the transactions of the banks looks like encrypted bullocks to me. There has to be a way to name these things in user friendly way.
The automatic categorization of transaction lacks functionality as well. It should be possible to define rules. Like: i went to Safeway at noon on a weekday -> Lunch Category, otherwise Groceries
Furthermore i like to have the whole thing setup as a service on my computer, it wouldn't take too much... The service would then automatically log into my bank accounts everyday and download latest transactions. Maybe even sent me an e-mail or text message that i should maybe not use credit card XYZ anymore, because i'm about to bounce the credit limit.
There is more and i just wish i could see any sort of progress in their yearly releases, but i've given up on that.

Re:Not happy with any of them (1)

robertl234 (787648) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683183)

Quicken 2006 automatically renames the Payee for you based on a set of rules that you provide. Alternatively, if you enter the transaction manually, Quicken can learn those rules automatically.

cool! (1)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683114)

Cool! Considering Quicken was the program people wanted on Linux, Gnucash always seemed like a one-man-band and was desperate for developers.

An interview with the lead developer

http://slashdot.org/interviews/01/07/05/1456248.sh tml [slashdot.org]

Its a good read.

I don't get it, people! (2, Insightful)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683148)

What is wrong with all (most) of you?? All I see are flames here, toward GNUCash, how blah blah, it's unstable, blah blah, use KMyMoney, blah blah, the code is lame... I've been using it for 2 years straight and haven't had a problem ONCE. No database corruption, no corruption of any kind. THERE is your proof that GNUCash won't fuck up your finances.

I've learned so much about finances with GNUCash it's amazing - much more, I'm sure, than using some other program. The layout is very LOGICAL - maybe not the easiest, or prettiest (1.9 will probably fix the prettiness though) but crap... aren't we all about the functionality? Using "accounts" instead of "categories" is really cool IMHO - it allows so much more flexibility with what you're doing and doesn't corner you into doing things one certain way - it just teaches you how things are done.

Give me the name of another financial program that's able to track BUSINESS finances (not just personal), other than GNUCash. Now sit down, shut up and eat your beans!

GO NINERS! =p

Buggy financial software? (0)

sgeye (757198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683161)

Doesn't sound that different than Quickbooks, Quicken, CCH, Lacert, etc. Quickbooks 2005 ocassionally breaks every other version of QB when you install it, Intuit says it has been a known issue for over a year and there is no fix... perfect solution for accountants who need every version of Quickbooks because their clients don't upgrade. Quicken 05 makes you uninstall every prior version, but you can get around it by "pushing" the application down. CCH... don't even get me started on their software. Lacert I don't know about, but we just bought a firm that uses so give me a couple of weeks and I am sure I will know something. A real Linux financial suite is the only reason we can't make the switch.

"Release" (1)

Barnoid (263111) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683170)

FTFA:
        * Any 1.9.x version might crash unexpectedly at any point during runtime. [...]
        * Keep in mind that features which are not used in everyday work might crash unexpectedly at all times. This includes but is not limited to [...]
        * Especially all the new features might crash instantly on testing. [...]
        * The documentation is completely outdated. [...]

after years of waiting, couldn't the developers have spent a couple more months to make it a bit more stable?

Re:"Release" (1)

db32 (862117) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683277)

Honestly, I havn't tried the 1.9.X yet, but I would guess that those statements are largely CYA. You are dealing with financial software here, you don't want people to jump right in on the latest version and have it chew up important stuff. I imagine it probably is quite a bit more stable than they make it sound, but it certainly does warrant a great deal of caution when using it to deal with finances. If you are using it for personal finances its one thing, but if you are using it for professional/business stuff and it blows up...that can cause a world of hurt.

another great GTK holdover (1)

august sun (799030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683177)

so should I hold my breath that XMMS will follow suit?

If cross platform is important. (1)

Goner (5704) | more than 8 years ago | (#14683230)

In the meantime jGnash [sf.net] has reached a level where I can have a .jar of it on my usb stick and balance my checkbook on any machine under any OS. Darn useful. It still isn't quite as nice as Quicken, but it is completely transparent in the way that it does work.

Whatever computer you run it on stores enough info in your home directory so it automatically opens your account file from the stick too of course. Good news is that it can import GNUCash files.

Projects like gaim have taken gtk2 based apps and ported them to here and everywhere, but that's only due to rampant popularity (and some Google support). Even then, I would need to actually store 3 binaries on the usb stick, and at that point I am wasting more space and time trying to find the right icon to click on.

I would say that overall GnuCash still has the most features, so if you're an aspiring accountant then... go for it.

Win32 version of GnuCash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683248)

Is there some Win32 binaries of GnuCash I can download?

But once you quit your job as a programmer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14683650)

because RMS says that you're engaging in anti-social behavior, you won't NEED a money management program.
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