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'True' Video iPod Coming Soon

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the possible-april-fool's-jokes dept.

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Moby Cock writes "Think Secret is reporting that the true video iPod is slated for announcement soon. It will have a 3.5 inch display and will eschew the mechanical click wheel in favour of a touch screen version. The 5th generation iPod released prior to the holiday season last year is described as a souped up 4G iPod with video capabilities. This new iPod will be the 'true' video iPod. It looks like there is not going to be wireless support. The article hints that the release date could be April 1 which is the 30th anniversary of Apple."

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mysterious future (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684075)

I spent a while thinking of a truly insightful post to this article whilst it was still in the mysterious futrue and then thought why bother.

(most likely not) First Post

Touch Screen Pr0n (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684083)

'nuff said.

April 1st? (5, Funny)

AOL-CD-Man (920944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684086)

Its coming out April 1st? Oh, it's no joke then.

Re:April 1st? (4, Interesting)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684206)

Not to say it isn't true, but beware of Thinksecret's predictions. They've had a long string of incorrect predictions lately. Either they have bad sources, or their sources are too good--purposely placed by Apple to misdirect the rumor sites.

In all honesty, it's kind of a bummer that these sites are so obsessed with breaking Apple secrets all the time. Imagine how cool it would have been if nobody knew this was coming out, and bam, suddenly it's announced...or if nobody knew Intel machines were going to be at MacWorld (we knew months ahead of time thanks to "sources"). It really ruins the amazing announcement to have all these months of speculative hype leading up to it.

So to sum up... (4, Insightful)

RedNovember (887384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684272)

It's a rumor on an inconsistent website about a proposed product launch on April 1st.

WTF.

Oh, and (5, Funny)

RedNovember (887384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684287)

WTF do they mean by the ,i>true video iPod? Is this thing on a higher plane of existence or something? iPod 6D?

Re:April 1st? (1)

ToasterofDOOM (878240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684401)

I honestly would not be surprised to find out that thinksecret is owned and operated by Apple

Re:April 1st? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684331)

GMail launched on April 1st as well, of course.

Re:April 1st? (1)

chill (34294) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684377)

Its coming out April 1st? Oh, it's no joke then.

No, Steve Jobs is just going to announce that it runs WinCE. That is one appropriately named OS.

  -Charles

Re:April 1st? (3, Funny)

lowmagnet (646428) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684418)

Apple Computer was founded in Los Gatos, California on April 1, 1976 by Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak and Ronald Wayne, to sell the Apple I personal computer kit at $666.66. Apple Computer, Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

Something is coming out that day, may as well be something people have been asking for. I'm hoping Apple finally figured out how to make tablets better somehow, and will release one for their 30th. Failing that, the 30th anniversary Apple I would be great too.

No wireless... (5, Funny)

mobby_6kl (668092) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684089)

>It looks like there is not going to be wireless support.

I bet it has less space than a Nomad, too!

Re:No wireless... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684126)

Yeah - sounds lame.

Re:No wireless... (5, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684324)

true, but will it have support for LAME?

Great (2, Funny)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684093)

Great, now on Apr. 1st we won't know if it's a joke or not!
OTOH, they could call it the foolPod or iFool something

invisa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684097)

But now I'd like to introduce to you the iPod Invisa!
Holds over 5,000,000 songs, and every picture ever taken!
Best yet, when I drop it....it's floating!!!

What Else? (2, Interesting)

nathanmace (839928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684100)

I have a 3G iPod myself. A video iPod with a bigger screen and a touch screen would be very nice indeed. But it has been 30 years! There has to be more than just this. C'mon. Thoughts? Ideas?

Personally, I'm hoping for an Intel based Cube. Yea, I know it would compete with the mini. Just spin it as a super-mini or something. How much would you pay for a cube looking Intel based mac that is around the same size as a mini, but runs like an iMac without the screen?

Re:What Else? (4, Funny)

damsa (840364) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684131)

How about a 15,000 dollar aniversary iPod stereo system complete with B&O speakers, solid gold monster cables and a sticker that says 30th aniversary iPod.

Re:What Else? (1)

RedNovember (887384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684299)

Me. Want. NOW. /sarcasm

Re:What Else? (1)

zanglang (917799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684429)

Uh... How about the world's smallest mp3 player [layersmagazine.com] , aka the iPod Flea? ;)

Re:What Else? (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684396)

Touch screen would be pretty useless in an ipod if you think about it.

For most of their life they live in pockets, along with your keys and change... a touch screen would keep changing tracks when you walked around. Not good.

Fingerprints (3, Insightful)

pwnage (856708) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684101)

How do they plan on keeping fingerprints off the screen?

Re:Fingerprints (5, Funny)

sponga (739683) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684142)

They will place a sticker on the bottom with an arrow pointing at you saying "Warning: See that shirt you're wearing, use it to wipe me off!"

Re:Fingerprints (1)

Spytap (143526) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684155)

What about a Blackberry-esque scroll wheel? Elegant, keeps fingers off, still allows for the same filesystem...Makes sense to me.

Re:Fingerprints (1)

MEGAMAID (791988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684203)

or, better still. Some kind of scrolling device below the screen. Now that would be good.

Re:Fingerprints (1)

1point618 (919730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684253)

No way Apple would do this. In the mind of consumers, it isn't an iPod without the click wheel.

Watch me eat my words though....

Re:Fingerprints (1)

3770 (560838) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684180)

Turning the screen 90 degrees (or 270 degrees if you prefer) and having a nano sized scroll wheel sounds more attractive to me.

I have a 3G ipod and my beef is that I accidentally click the buttons all the time. So I'd prefer something that you actually need to push.

Depressed (2, Funny)

pinsOFsheep (919554) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684109)

Looks like I'll have to sell my G5 after one month of ownership:-(

Re:Depressed (1)

FuturePastNow (836765) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684375)

Give you $50 for it.

Re:Depressed (1)

frizzantik (944615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684397)

Yeah, if i had known about this I would have waited as well. Son of a...

video ipod (1)

mytrip (940886) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684110)

Having recently bought an ipod, I have been very happy with it until I read this story and am already wished I had waited. I wonder when they are going to have built in tv reception.

Re:video ipod (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684193)

What planet are you from? Did you seriously think that Apple would NOT release a new iPod?

tv support (1)

mbaudis (585035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684238)

i am pretty sure that tv support in any form, directly through apple, is as dead as floppies. it just doesn't fit the disdain for some outdated technologies; and tv on computers always has been an add-on (or -in). to use the content, and make it available in a computer/internet-based wa - that is apple. being a bit early sometimes doesn't pay; but sometimes it pays big... btw.: i haven't used the tv-thingy for 10 years or so; but i download some shows from itms, and watch podcasts of the german tv news. so maybe i am the customer apple envisions (won't watch video on an i-thingy, though). have bought much more music since itms, also.

Re:tv support (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684414)

DVB-H is the new up and coming technology... Apple could be the first with a working version of that. If not that then they need wifi or 3G builtin.

3G phones are wiping the floor with video ipods for a reason - in fact I've yet to see *anyone* viewing video on an ipod, when it's not uncommon for someone to be seen watching the news/football on their phone.

Give me a break (5, Insightful)

fit4130 (858077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684113)

This is just getting out of hand. Every few months they are coming out with new ipods just to make people think that the ipod they have now is suddenly obsolete and should be replaced.

Re:Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684135)

Yeah, if only they could be more like computers

Re:Give me a break (0, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684172)

You're right... I couldn't believe all of the Apple drones that have already posted here at Slashdot saying that they're going to have to sell the one they just got, or buy the new one. Whatever they (Apple) are doing, it's working. These people (Apple drones) are completely, and totally brainwashed. I'm not aware of any company in business history, other than maybe Harley Davidson, that had such huge legions of dumb, keeping-up-with-the-joneses, materialist customers.

I think that Apple should up the release cycle to as fast as they possibly can. That makes the best financial sense, since these people will just keep buying, and buying, and buying, and buying....

Re:Give me a break (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684175)

Right, because people can't think for themselves. But YOU should be allowed to tell Apple when they should or should not release products.

Never mind that this is a RUMOR.

Re:Give me a break (1)

ResidntGeek (772730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684308)

That's kind of the problem... most iPod users _can't_ think for themselves. That's why they have iPod Minis, and iPod Videos with only music, instead of Cowon iAudio X5s or IRiver PMC-120s.

Re:Give me a break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684353)

Oh, so thinking for yourself means buying some obscure fanboi product. That makes sense.

People who eat at McDonalds CAN'T think for themselves! That's why they have Big Macs, when they could have Jack's Ultimate Cheeseburger.

or

People who buy Chevrolets CAN'T think for themselves! That's why they have Tahoes, instead of China Guandao Auto SUV's.

Re:Give me a break (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684195)

If you go out and buy a new iPod just because a new iPod comes out, you are either rich, or an idiot. Sorry.

I've got a 3rd gen. It works just great. I'd like the nice clear screen on the 5th gen but I don't need it at all. I'll keep mine until it dies, or they come out with something great (built-in bluetooth or wifi would probably do it). My brother used his 1st gen up until last year when it was stolen. It worked just as well as any other iPod for listening to music.

All that said, at least they are improving their product. So many companies would be content to make a meaningless change every two years or so (and a meaningless one at that) and just rake in the cash. Apple may be raking in the cash, but they are improving their product too. Look at the storage difference between a 1st or 2nd gen and a 5th, along with the screen, battery life, and thickness and tell me they haven't made a substantially better product in many ways.

Re:Give me a break (1)

wanerious (712877) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684219)

Well, mine was just stolen! Yahoo! Now I can upgrade!

Re:Give me a break (0, Flamebait)

fit4130 (858077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684229)

You're happy your iPod was stolen? And happy that you have to waste another 300+ bucks on a player that probably is just a rumor? All the power to you, but get a brain... seriously...

Re:Give me a break (1)

wanerious (712877) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684273)

You're happy your iPod was stolen? And happy that you have to waste another 300+ bucks on a player that probably is just a rumor? All the power to you, but get a brain... seriously..

Ok, thanks for the advice! I'll look into it!

I N S U R A N C E (1)

Burning Plastic (153446) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684292)

;->

Re:Give me a break (1)

VaticDart (889055) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684430)

Mine was just stolen too... but it's going to get replaced by a bigger capacity 4th Gen, maybe one with a color screen if I feel lavish and ultra-modern. More power to Apple for leading the charge on portable video playback, but until they start letting me backup the video files I buy from them, no thanks, I'll keep using BitTorrent (and yes, I realize that probably Apple wants to let people backup, but the networks won't let that into the DRM yet, but the problem remains).

Welcome to Consumerism (1, Insightful)

wyoung76 (764124) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684256)

The USA is a capitalist and consumerist society, it logically follows that companies will screw everyone by providing the toys they don't need, much like you implied with your comment.

I, for one, am not in the slightest surprised.

Re:Welcome to Consumerism (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684322)

"Screw them over"? Get real. Who, exactly, is forcing anyone to buy these new products?

Re:Welcome to Consumerism (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684356)

What kind of goofy anti-capitlist drivel is this? How does a company "screw everyone" by releasing a product? How does that actually affect your life in any way? Seriously?

Come on, people, leave the anti-"consumerism" crap in the dorm rooms with the other kids where it belongs. Nobody's forcing you to buy a new iPod.

Wrong way around (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684319)

That's typical for a business, especially a technology one. What's ridiculous is the people that do buy into it.

Re:Give me a break (1)

puck13 (102616) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684338)

Luckily, other major industries, such as fashion, automobiles, and software, would never dream of such underhanded tactics!

Re:Give me a break (1)

Refrag (145266) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684363)

You're right. How dare Apple actually innovate. We hate innovation in the technology sector!

Re:Give me a break (2, Insightful)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684385)

What the? Who's forcing you to buy a new iPod, and how does your current iPod lose any functionality just because a new one has been released? Since when is Apple telling you to replace anything just by keeping up with technology and releasing a new version of its product?

Sheesh, by April 1st, it will have been seven months since the last iPod. It's not like it's that recent. They haven't announced anything, and this is just a rumor from a notoriously inaccurate rumor site, and already the Apple-bashers are out in full force.

It's particularly amusing commentary coming from the likes of Slashdot, a tech news site that follows fast-paced technology, including computer hardware updates. Every month I read about new processors that make my current one obsolete, but nobody makes comments that companies are "screwing everyone" (another poster here) or that it's "getting out of hand."

battery (5, Insightful)

user24 (854467) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684117)

the real question is: will it have more than 3 hours playback time so we can actually watch films on it, unlike almost every other portable video player

Re:battery (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684144)

I don't think this would be a problem if they wanted it not to be. Take the difference between a first generation or second generation iPod and a iPod with Video (aka 5G). The 5G is like half as thick (maybe 1/3). They could easily make the "Video iPod" thicker than a current one, while still having it much thinner than all the competing Portable Media Players. And if they can get 2 hours out of the 5th Gen, imagine what they could get if they doubled or tripled the thickness and used it all for additional battery life.

Re:battery (2, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684392)

the real question is: will it have more than 3 hours playback time so we can actually watch films on it, unlike almost every other portable video player

Keep in mind that almost every other portable video player is also significantly heavier and far less pocket friendly. It seems like Apple has been very careful to state that it is an audio player that can play video, because it is an audio player first. A good portable video player makes a very poor portable audio player and vice-versa, because of the optimum designs for the respective device types. To me, the video feature isn't so useful for more than a few minutes at a time anyway, unless you hook it up to a TV.

Scratching the Touch Screen (1)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684119)

Anyone else worried that the touch screen is going to get worn out over time? This isn't like a PDA's touch screen that's primarily being used by a stylus; rather it's going to be constantly touched by fingers. Although now that I think about it, this seems almost like a multimedia oriented PDA with a HDD.

Re:Scratching the Touch Screen (1)

Bricklets (703061) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684317)

I haven't used the stylus with my treo in months. Just the thumb or thumb nail. I thought many other treo owners did the same.

Is Apple an abusive? (0, Flamebait)

backslashdot (95548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684122)

I am not an iPod owner .. but I heard the following is true:

Two major issues-

Apple is taking advantage of their monopoly position disallowing the playing of itunes purchased music on non iPod players. This means if you bought music for your iPod .. you have to stick to iPod or lose the ability to transport your music? Plus when your HDD dies .. you cant regain your music.

Furthermore, because Fairplay DRM is closed .. if you are a band and want to sell your music (with DRM) .. you have to do it on the iTunes store .. or your music will not have the protection of DRM if it's to be put on iPods (iPod owners being a massive marketshare .. this is essential for success). The alternative is DRM free mp3 .. but then you lose the ability to protect your music. I hate DRM as much as the next guy .. but this isnt helping the situation to have Apple doing this.

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

Anubis350 (772791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684157)

Plus when your HDD dies .. you cant regain your music. Not completely true, you can back up your files and then just re-auth them. That's apple's way. If you want dubious legality, songs bought on all but the newest version of iTunes can be unprotected with jHymn easily. Apple made unobtrusive, easy to remove DRM for a reason.

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684163)

: Apple is taking advantage of their monopoly position disallowing the playing of itunes purchased music on non iPod
: players.

Untrue. Burn to CD, rip to mp3. Store on whatever mp3 player you want.

: you have to stick to iPod or lose the ability to transport your
: music? Plus when your HDD dies .. you cant regain your music.

Also not true. If for whatever reason you lose all your iTunes music, just let Apple know, and you can download it all again for free.

Sounds like you've been listening to the people at Future Shop, when I got my iPod the tried to tell me it couldn't play mp3's. Bla. Never going there again.

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (5, Insightful)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684188)

Apple is taking advantage of their monopoly position disallowing the playing of itunes purchased music on non iPod players.

They're not taking advantage of a monopoly; this has been the case since the Music Store's introduction. As for "abusive monopoly" claims, get back to me when Apple is making deals that punish stores for selling alternatives to iPods, the way Microsoft did with Windows OEMs int he 90s. Consumers can choose any player and any format they want.

This means if you bought music for your iPod .. you have to stick to iPod or lose the ability to transport your music? Plus when your HDD dies .. you cant regain your music.

Yes, you can regain your music. Back it up (as iTunes prompts you to) or copy it from the iPod using a third-party utility. Obviously, if you buy music from Apple, it will play on Apple's player. Don't like it? Don't use an iPod or iTunes. You have a choice.

Furthermore, because Fairplay DRM is closed .. if you are a band and want to sell your music (with DRM) .. you have to do it on the iTunes store .. or your music will not have the protection of DRM if it's to be put on iPods

So don't do it. Just because those are the options doesn't make Apple abusive. Life's tough.

The alternative is DRM free mp3 .. but then you lose the ability to protect your music. I hate DRM as much as the next guy .. but this isnt helping the situation to have Apple doing this.

You don't explain how it's detrimental to the situation or what is so bad about Fairplay DRM to begin with (I forget it's even there, it's so lax in its "restrictions").

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

Moofie (22272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684210)

So, um, back up your valuable data, and learn how to burn a CD.

This is a problem how exactly?

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

damsa (840364) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684226)

You can always transport your music to the universal CD audio format. Also if you back up your iTunes files, you can reinitialize it from backup. Artists are free to sell stuff without DRM, or sell stuff in WMA, real audio. I suppose your argument is if an artist wants to sell stuff that is DRM and that works on the iPod they will have rely iTunes. I see your point. I'd rather Apple not support other DRM, why? Then people will use drmd WMA for their Podcasts as it is readily available rather than non DRMd MP3 and I'd rather have non DRM'd Mp3s than DRMd Mp3.

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

1point618 (919730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684237)

The alternative is DRM free mp3 .. but then you lose the ability to protect your music.

It's what many smaller, indie artists do. See Emusic.com [emusic.com] .

Plus when your HDD dies .. you cant regain your music.

This isn't completely true. One, the music can still be copied to CD, to another hard drive, or to any number of iPods to be backed up. Secondly--and I have no first-hand knowledge of this--it is said that Apple will allow you to redownload the songs you have bought, once, if something happens and you lose them all.

I'm no Apple fanboy, but wanted to point those parts out.

That being said, the first part is largely true. You can scrub the music with something such as JHymn, but that doesn't work with iTunes 6.0, and is quasi-legal at best (or maybe downright illegal, not sure). I would debate, however, that an artist must use Fairplay DRM to become a success (both due to the abiguity of the word and to acts that haven't been on iTunes for very long, such as Madonna), or that MS's Plays For Sure is any better.

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684241)

On the first issue, I think that is pretty well known. The Apple Music Store exists to add value to the iPod, it is not an entity in its self. If they didn't sell iPods, they wouldn't have the music store. But this is all a risk you take. I don't see it as that big a problem, but then again I don't buy music from iTMS even though I own an iPod because I want the physical media. Although, you could always burn your purchased albums to CDs then re-rip them MP3 or AAC-sans-DRM and put them on your new player.

Apple is supposed to be very good about iTMS. And is there anything that says if you sell on iTMS you can't also sell on the other music stores ("Napster", etc.)? I haven't heard of it. And considering what a HUGE portion of the market iTMS has, I would think you would be willing to put up with that limitation.

I don't see anything wrong with what Apple is doing. And from the perspective of an iPod owner, the iTMS is a wonderful thing. I can get just about anything I want on it if I want to. It is integrated so well too.

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684285)

I don't see anything wrong with what Apple is doing.

It might interest you to know that the U.S. District Court of Norther California does not agree. [ehomeupgrade.com]

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684297)

I could say the same with Microsoft's media player.

Microsoft monopolized the market over ITunes since XP came with media player by default. A little unfair advantage.

Wmv and WMA files wont play on linux because most have drm nor can I view them on my Ipod. Its the same thing? To prevent Microsoft from stealing the market we need to support Apple.

Google is coming out but so far it sucks.

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684410)

To prevent Microsoft from stealing the market we need to support Apple.

This might sound like a slippery slope argument, but beware of the lesser evil you support becoming a not-so-lesser evil. Since we're talking about corporations (and, some might argue, particularly given Apple's history) this is not an improbable outcome. What will you do then, support MS as the lesser evil?

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684326)

In other news, I bought a diesel truck, and The Man is Keeping Me Down by forcing me to buy diesel for it. I demand to be allowed to fill my tank with super unleaded!

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (1)

DeveloperAdvantage (923539) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684343)

We are working on audio content which we distribute as simple MP3 files, nothing fancy. I think ultimately the courts need to decide that users should have the right to use the music (or other content) they purchase wherever they want, as long as it is for their own personal use. I have dropped memberships from online services because they would not give out their content as MP3s. If enough people did this then companies will eventually distribute as MP3s (or some other standard which should work on basically all players).

Re:Is Apple an abusive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684415)

One word: JHymn [hymn-project.org] .

But its not lame? (0, Troll)

kc8jhs (746030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684124)

No wireless? Less space than a??

Seriously with no wireless why would I want this over a Nokia 770? Other than the storage for portable use...

-Mikey P

Re:But its not lame? (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684221)

The "no wireless" argument in the context of an iPod is pure horseshit. It doesn't need wireless. It's not a portable web browser and the files on it are already loaded on the computer from which is receives updates. You've already hit the nail on the head, the iPod provides storage for portable music use. A Nokia 770 is overkill for people that just want a music player.

Touchscreen? (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684132)

I'm still a bit dubious over the whole "Video iPod" idea. That said, I can't say that I like the idea of a full touch-screen interface. While it may be nice, it prevents you from using the device without looking at it, unless you buy a remote. I've got a 3rd generation (with the four buttons just below the screen) and it is VERY easy to operate without looking. The newer ones (with the integrated buttons on the wheel, ala the Mini) you can't do that so easily. But at least you can still feel around where the wheel is and which way is "up". When you remove that from the device... you're in trouble.

But I could get stuff off my DirecTiVo onto it I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

If anyone can make a great portable media player, I trust Apple would be the one to do it.

Or we will just get the MacBook, Mac Mini Solo, and a new gizmo that isn't the iPod.

Re:Touchscreen? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684303)

Not looking kind of messes with the "video" part.

patents suggest this is true (4, Informative)

kebes (861706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684140)

Previous slashdot stories covered rumours about a possible upcoming Apple tablet (see here [slashdot.org] and here [slashdot.org] ). However, perhaps what was really going on was that Apple was putting in place patents related to this device.

Look at the patents in question. US Design Patent No. D504,899 [uspto.gov] , filed on May 10, 2005, looks like a patent for the design of an Apple tablet. Yet, perhaps they refrained from calling it a tablet in the patent (they call it "an electronic device") because they actually want it to cover the (much smaller) design of the video iPod. US Patent Application No. 20060026536 [uspto.gov] , filed Jan 30, 2005, is called "Gestures for touch sensitive input devices," and the images very clearly show a device that looks like a full-screen ipod with overlayed "touchwheel" (check out this news item for commentary and images [pcmag.com] .

What I'm getting at is this: ThinkSecret may very well be right (again!). The fact that these patents were filed shows that they are working on this kind of device. I think these patent applications strongly support the notion that Apple is going to try to release a next-gen device with touch-screen based input. Sounds like a cool device.

Re:patents suggest this is true (4, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684246)

ThinkSecret hasn't been right about much of anything lately, so it's pretty clear that their well has been poisoned. The only reason the site stays running is because they can still get ad impressions on remembered glory.

This new story is probably fake; it's based on the notion that the video iPod isn't the "real" video iPod, which is a very strained argument. Apple has been selling videos at the resolution of the 5G iPod for some time, and the proposed device can't compete with existing portable DVD players for the purpose of watching movies. A bigger screen with the same resolution would increase watchability much less than most people think, and it would be too difficult to hold the device. These facts suggest that Apple is not about to start selling feature films, and further, that Apple is not going to start selling some kind of device massively redesigned for the purpose of video.

If this scoop started showing up in a lot of other places, I'd believe it, but nothing exclusive to ThinkSecret has been true for about six months.

i'll stick with my pda (1)

slackaddict (950042) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684162)

I've got this already with my Dell Axim x51v PDA. Plus it has 802.11b so I can send/recv e-mail. So, why would I want an ipod when my PDA does so much more?

Re:i'll stick with my pda (2, Interesting)

akac (571059) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684274)

I've got 5 PDAs here (I develop for them). But the iPod SOUNDS better, doesn't require an app taking up a bunch of RAM to constantly run, syncs with iTunes seamlessly and quickly, is far easier to use for playing music, doesn't require super expensive memory cards to hold any good amount of music, is far more durable for its purpose, and comes with thousands of accessories I can use it with including playing and controlling directly from my car.

Mmmm...greasy (2, Funny)

Fishbulb (32296) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684169)

Here's a trick:
Every time you have a video playing in a window on your monitor, rub your finger across your forehead, then trace a circle on top of the video.
See how long you last without having to clean it.

They should stick with the wheel.

Re:Mmmm...greasy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684259)

Maybe they'll find some way to place the various controlls on the back and/or side of the device.

Re:Mmmm...greasy (2, Funny)

Potato Battery (872080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684327)

This is good news. I have been waiting years for Apple to build a forehead control option into the ipod.

Re:Mmmm...greasy (1)

slysithesuperspy (919764) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684349)

I'll keep my grease for getting rid of the froth in my glass thankyou very much :p Then I'll use my sticky fingers on the screen ;)

Early adopters are the losers here (1)

slashbob22 (918040) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684174)

I don't mean to be troll, but there will be a certain amount of frustration shared by the early purchases of the original ("fake"?) video iPod. Now, I suppose Apple can learn a lot of lessons from a beta version of their video device and will probably generate a lot of excitement. If I had just bought a new device a week ago, I would be upset with the new iteration being released so close to the first. Way to reward beta testers!

From Apple's perspective the issue, as I see it, is the timing of the announcement. If they are truely going to be selling this starting April 1st, then they have potentially lost a few months of video iPod sales while people wait - much like they did with the switch to the x86 architecture. Maybe this is their method of "cooking" their accounting books. 'Lets look like we have a huge loss this Quarter, and then blow away our investors with an amazing quarter when everyone purchases the new technology.'

Apple marketed it as an iPod with video capability (2, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684250)

When the video-capable iPod was released, Apple was very clear to position it as the latest and greatest iPod music player, with the added ability to play video. It's an excellent iPod. It plays video very well. If you buy a product and it meets or exceeds your expectations, why should you care if a better version comes out six months later? Welcome to the Computer Age.

Besides, the rumor sites and press pushed it as the "video iPod." Apple never represented video as its primary function. Look at the iPod site [apple.com] . It's an iPod first, and a video player second.

If you're Apple, you're gonna get bashed if you sit on your laurels and don't keep coming out with newer, better, less expensive versions of the iPod. It seems Apple also gets bashed for continually improving their product lineup. Which makes sense, I suppose. I mean, Apple should really take a breather, because nobody wants the option of buying improved iPods, and Apple's competitors certainly need somet time to catch up.

Re:Early adopters are the losers here (1)

kebes (861706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684254)

I know what you're getting at, but I don't think anyone should feel shafted in this case. First off, in the world of electronics/computers, you know that something better will come out in the future (or conversely that the device you are buying will be cheaper in the future). Does that mean you should wait? Well, not really (otherwise you'll wait forever). If you want the device, you pay a premium to have it now (and not six months from now). That's normal.

Also, remember that Apple was clear when they released the last iPod. They said: "it's an iPod, it stores lots of music... and it has some video-out capabilities." They were careful not to call it a "video iPod" and were very clear about what it could (and could not) do. I don't think their intention was to have everyone buy new iPods (although clearly those geeks who always need the latest toy may have bought the new version even though they already had an iPod). The intention was to upgrade the iPod to a new version with better features... which is what they've always done (colour screens, bigger drives, etc.).

At the end of the day, each consumer has to look at the specs of the device they are thinking of buying, and decide if they want it (and if they are willing to pay). That a better version of the device may come out one day is almost a given.

Video iPod? (2, Insightful)

jmcmunn (307798) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684187)


Wait, so you mean Apple has bigger plans for the video store on iTunes? Come on, why is this even news? I mean it's a no brainer that Apple wants you to buy videos from them, and if you're buying their videos you must be using their player right?

Re:Video iPod? (1)

DarkClown (7673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684434)

I'd heard rumors that there was a firmware update coming out for the recent macworld that would video enable the nanos, which i was looking forward to, but alas it turned out to be just rumor. makes sense for them to do to me for the reason you just stated - it makes good business sense for folks to be able to buy videos from their store. i think the nano would do fine with the video podcasts. the video under linux on it looks pretty good, but doesn't really turn it into a video player yet. hopefully the ipodlinux.org folks will iron out the codec/compression issues and keep up the excellent development they have going!

Touch Screen ey? (1, Flamebait)

s-twig (775100) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684222)

It will be nice to watch a video with somebody's grubby fingerprints all over the screen.

Is it just me or (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14684224)

Is the buy-use-buy-new cycle going faster and faster? I remember when I was young back in the 80s, and Commodore 64 lasted for years without the need to upgrade. The programmers could always tweak it a little bit and get some more out of the hardware. How many iterations of Apple's iPod do we need? I know this is about a "real video iPod", but why don't they make a quality machine that doesn't need more upgrades for the next coming years? Is it the almighty dollar that they're chasing with these frequent product upgrades? I guess I'm getting old.

Thanks for reading... now, mod me offtopic or something.

The Video iPod for the rest of us... (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684230)

But I'm still waiting for the eight pound, 10-inch screen iPod that Steve Jobs announced during his podcast demo at MacWorld last month. :P

Re:The Video iPod for the rest of us... (1)

timster (32400) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684295)

Given that what the patent diagrams show looks like exactly that, a tiny bit of me believes that we'll see it on April 1st. It would be a great April Fool's.

ThinkSecret (4, Interesting)

cejones (574416) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684242)

And given ThinkSecret's track record over the past 6 months, you should take all this "News" with a truckload of salt.

Yeah...yippee...this is just the news I wanted!!!! (1)

PortHaven (242123) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684288)

You see, I love the mechanical click-wheel. It's the thing I most like about the iPod. And why I've contemplated getting one over say the Archos or DishNetwork's variant of Archos' unit.

Now, they're going to get rid of the click wheel, my guess, they'll go widescreen and sideways. Which is what I've always said a video unit should be.

But using the screen, great...now you NEVER get rid of finger-prints. (This will be Apple's big boon-doggle.) Rather, they should have just moved the click-wheel to the backside. Oh well...guess I don't need to buy one now.

Fingerprints (2, Insightful)

jaronc (68205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684296)

Given how grotty the current ipods become just from handling, I wonder how are they going to handle a screen where you are forced to touch it?

It had better be 16:9 aspect ratio (3, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684325)

It's a little late to be introducing a 4:3 TV in 3.5 inches.

Now, something where the whole face of an iPod sized box was a 16:9 HDTV display would be neat.

Interestingly, flash memory SanDisk [miami.com] is now #2 in MP3 players. There's an advantage in being the biggest maker of flash memory in this business.

I hope it is scratchproof... (2, Interesting)

SchnauzerGuy (647948) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684328)

Since the entire screen is the control(s), I don't see how you could possibly use this iPod inside of a protective case. I hope Apple is going to use something like this [tdk-europe.com] . Otherwise, the screen would be quickly ruined.

Scratchproof? (3, Insightful)

SchnauzerGuy (647948) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684351)

Since the entire screen is the control(s), I don't see how you could possibly use this iPod inside of a protective case.

I hope Apple would use something like this [tdk-europe.com] . Otherwise, the screen will be quickly ruined and make the iPod Nano look indestructible in comparison.

Damn it! (0, Redundant)

SensitiveMale (155605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684367)

Now I'll have to buy yet another iPod.

Apple Is Starting a Disturbing Trend (2, Interesting)

Wallstreetfighter.co (941366) | more than 8 years ago | (#14684381)

First and foremost I am a huge Apple fan but there is a trend starting to develop that is one of the reasons the stock is dropping like a rock. They are bringing out item after item and quickly replacing it with something better. Why don't they just wait a few months and make it perfect. The video ipod was not released that long ago. For the first time I am starting to hear of people saying they are going to wait to see if something better is coming out because they heard a rumor of a better one coming out soon. This video rumor is a perfect example. I was thinking of buying a video ipod but I will certainly wait. Apple's Intel computers have had rumors of problems but hasn't even come out. Many people are waiting to let others test drive it. I love new products but lets keep some space between improvement releases. I am tired of buying something only to learn at the end of the week there is a better one coming out Monday.
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