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PlayStation 3 May Play Too Much

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the hyperbole-much? dept.

PlayStation (Games) 367

Businessweek has a piece looking at the PlayStation 3, worrying that Sony is confusing the consumer with all of the technology it's trying to work into the console. From the article: "Some question whether Sony is trying to cram too much into the new box. The PS3 is expected to cost $350 to $400. While it has the potential to be a megahit, Sony's message might get muddled in the process of going after too broad a market, says Deutsche Securities analyst Takashi Oya. 'It would be difficult to sell PS3 initially as anything other than a game machine,' Oya says. Sony declined to comment on such concerns."

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It'll grow into itself. (5, Insightful)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687269)

Much like buying a child a shoe that is a half size bigger, the PS3 will grow into itself. There's no such thing as "too much" on a gaming console. The more you can do with it, the better.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (5, Insightful)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687311)

No, there's definitely a such thing as 'too much' on a gaming console.

Remember the Dreamcast? Dial-up modem, the whole thing. It tried to do too much at the time, before the consumers were ready for it.

I don't care if blue ray IS the next big thing. Its not the big enough thing now to get the word out that the PS3 is more than a game machine.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (0, Redundant)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687378)

Remember when 64k would always be enough memory?

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687593)

Yep, it was, at that time.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (5, Interesting)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687675)

> Remember the Dreamcast? Dial-up modem, the whole thing. It tried to do too much at the time,
> before the consumers were ready for it.

The Dreamcast was nothing special. I know there are always a few people who say "No, I liked $game" but it just didn't inspire people to buy it. But they certainly didn't fail to buy it because they were afraid it would do too much.

There's "costs too much". The PS3 might do alot of stuff, but the problem at the mo with Xboxs and the like is that they only really add `playing games` to a list of things which you can already do on a £30/$50 DVD, but they charge ten times the cost of that DVD player to do it. Unless you're a hardened gamer, or very well off, that's just really terrible value for money.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (5, Insightful)

Antifuse (651387) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687742)

Hrmm... I don't really think the reason the Dreamcast failed was because it "did too much". Dreamcast was a great platform with some great games, but Sega did basically dick all to promote it. Add in the fact that 3rd party developers like EA didn't hop on board (love em or hate em, if you don't have EA on your platform it's going to be a lot harder to get the frat boys to jump on the bandwagon) and suddenly you are looking at a console flop.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (4, Insightful)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687786)

One of the main reasons that people (including myself I must say) bought the PlayStation 2 when it first came out was because of the fact that it could play DVD movies. At the time a DVD player was almost as much as a PS2 ($400.00). It seemed like a good deal to me at the time partially because of this.

I think the same could happen with Blue Ray.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687324)

The more you can do with it, the better.

hm, what about NO?

a gaming console should be able to play games, end of story

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

Raven42rac (448205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687396)

Look at the rampant success of the PSP. People want to be able to do everything with one device. Look at the Treo. Printer, scanner, copier, fax machines. Etc.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (5, Interesting)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687450)

The 'rampant success' of the PSP you speak of is nothing on the scale of what they're trying to accomplish. PSP may be big to you. Personally, i know two people that have them, and they're kids (relatively).

If they're gonna get on in every living room, marketeing it as the next gen HD movie format, they're gonna have to sell it to my mom and dad too. I don't know anybody's mom and dad that watch movies on their PSP. You see the difference in scale i'm talking about?

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687456)

Everything except play games.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (4, Insightful)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687464)

The PSP isn't as popular as any of it's game boy cousins, which only do 1 thing. The iPod is way more popular than any of those PDAs which cost about the same amount, and have way more functionality. Often, people would rather buy multiple devices that do one thing well than buy 1 item that does everything. Why do people own toasters when you can toast your bread in the oven?

Re:It'll grow into itself. (2)

jumpingfred (244629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687766)

Is there any PDA that does what an ipod does? The ones I have seen are at best replacements for the shuffle. Between small amount of spaces for music and crappy user interface I have not seen one that replaces the ipod or just about any other mp3 player.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

AndyChrist (161262) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687772)

Why do people own toasters when you can toast your bread in the oven?

A better question is why do they own toasters when an iron can make better toast?

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687474)

Look at the rampant success of the PSP

have a look at the nintendo ds

Re:It'll grow into itself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687631)

Both your posts in this topic are really, really useless.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

Evangelion (2145) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687550)

"Rampant success" of the PSP?

The Nintendo DS, a dedicated game machine, is wiping the fucking floor with the PSP.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (5, Insightful)

BewireNomali (618969) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687732)

PSP's success isn't rampant. Game Boy's success is rampant.

People don't want to be able to do everything with one device. The Treo isn't a rampant success; it's just successful relative to other devices that try to combine multiple functions. And the Treo isn't that good of a device.

I'll give you a poor analogy - I work in film, and film meetings go like this: "This is a great idea, but we need to dumb it down." The intelligence benchmark used by the film industry is a 12 year old boy. This isn't to say that they gear products toward 12-year old boys (although they do) but to say they assume the avarage audience, regardless of age or demographic, to be that smart. Why? Because people hate feeling that they're not smart - or that there's something going on behind the curtain they can't comprehend. The worst thing that happens with a dumbed down film is that people figure everything out (and feel good about themselves for doing so). In this instance, the industry did its job in serving up an opiate. Hence IPOD - one wheel - anyone can use it. Hence the dumbest movies making the most money. Most people would rather something banal and predictable because it affirms them, rather than something that does not.

To conclude, you do not want a device that does all things. Complex technology often reminds people that they know little to knowing of tech. It smacks of purposeful obscurity (I've witnessed marketing tests where test subjects get mad, bang the unit on the table like an ape, then complain that the designers don't want the working man using their products). Nintendo is right in that most people don't play games because the user interface looks intimidating from the outside in (You have to step into the shoes of someone unfamiliar with tech and just sees a bunch of buttons). Sony is in a can't lose situation - the PS installation is so huge, all they have to do is shut up about the device and deliver it soon before really good games start coming out for the 360. The only way they lose is if they self destruct. They've already started down the path.

Standard in films is that the classic hero doesn't do much talking. Why? Talking is considered weakness in films - most people talk not to convey something, but to hide something else. Sony is doing a lot of TALKING RIGHT NOW. People are justifiably nervous.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

aevans (933829) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687592)

Playstation is here because it can play movies. That's how they beat Sega and Nintendo. If they give in, XBox will eat their lunch too, because it's a full PC.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687460)

There's no such thing as "too much" on a gaming console.

Uh, yes there is, when you have to pay over $300 just to buy the damn thing. Nintendo's on the right track.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (3, Insightful)

Thangodin (177516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687511)

The more you can do with it, the better.

Exactly, because all of these technologies tie into where the game industry is almost certainly going, allowing Sony to already be in place as these innovations come into the mainstream. This means that they will not only have a strong grip on the console market, but they will also win the format and distribution war. As someone who works in the industry, I can tell you that Sony knows exactly what they are doing.

Re:It'll grow into itself. (1)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687619)

But 'where the market is eventually going' is not the same as 'what we can get people to shell out $400-500 dollars for today'. Again, look at the Dreamcast. Part of it is being at the right time (before everybody else, but not before people are willing to pay for it) and part of it is marketing to people who wouldn't buy the product only for its regular intended purpose (aka joe sixpack non-gamer HDTV shopper).

Re:It'll grow into itself. (2, Interesting)

ninjakoala (890584) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687721)

Well, they're up against a near-monopoly now in the form of Apple. I'm fairly sure we'll see more from Apple in the near future in the form of the computer as the digital hub - and they already have an extremely successful distribution system in place that's just starting to take off (sales are currently rising exponentially). And sure, having a PS3 in 100 million homes eventually will be a good foundation - if they succeed at that. I've got the Playstation and PS2 but so far I'm not sure I'll get the PS3. If they manage to get it to a reasonably sweet price, I guess I'll get it just because I'm a tech whore - the same thing goes for the 360 by the way - but to be honest I'm more excited about Revolution right now - it's a gaming machine and only a gaming machine.

Sure, Xbox 360 and PS3 will probably both be more powerful, but ... I think the DS has shown that the gaming market is ready for something different rather than the same old thing. Sure, there will continue to be a market for first person shooters, racing games and so on, but I think there's a huge market just waiting to be tapped. Nintendo did it once and for the first time in years I'm genuinely excited about games. I'm also excited about the idea of the Revolution being pretty much the gaming console to end all gaming consoles. Six generations of games on one machine plus something brand gets my adrenaline buzzing.

At the end of the day Sony might do well, but I'm genuinely unexcited about the PSP. Sure it's pretty bling-bling, but it's basically a PS2. Where's the fun in that? ...except if you're so much on the go or telecommuting that a PS2 makes no sense of course.

Sony's strategy does look good on paper, but I don't think they'll make it. To be honest I hope they don't, because when it comes to DRM and so on, they practically make Microsoft look like saints.

No, Zonk, YOU play too much! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687278)

Haha, just kidding.

Is this guy joking or what ? (4, Informative)

tibike77 (611880) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687281)

Hmm... "It would be difficult to sell PS3 initially as anything other than a game machine" ?
So what if ? No, wait... better: does anybody even expect to buy it as anything else than a gaming rig in the first place ?

XBox360, between 300 and 400. Games. Plus some other stuff.
PS3, between 350 and 400. Games. Plus some other stuff.
No idea on Nintendo.
Barebones but decent PC (plus cheap monitor or TVout capable), between 400 and 600. Trivial stuff. Plus some older games.
Reality check for PS3 ? Checked.

People who buy the PS3 will buy it *primarily* for the games ANYWAY.
They MIGHT use it for something else too, but at a price tag comparable to any other decent alternative, what's the harm ?
If anything (*shock*), people who didn't plan on buying it for games might actually buy the console.

Will PS3 games sales plummet because of that ?
If you look at it from a games sold per unit of console sold, then yes, that might go down.
But as an absolute number of expected sales... I really, really doubt a significant decline, no matter what anybody else might say.

Re:Is this guy joking or what ? (1)

sehryan (412731) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687425)

Here is your Nintendo info...

Revolution, between 200 and 300. Games. Just games.

Re:Is this guy joking or what ? (1)

lpangelrob (714473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687469)

Because Nintendo has been specifically targeting a games market, I would put the Revolution in the range of 200-300, and possibly 150-200. If you don't have a DVD player in the system, Nintendo doesn't have to pay for the supplies for it. The GameCube launched at $199. If I'm not mistaken, (completely off memory here), the NES launched at $99, the SNES at $199, and the N64 at $199. (the first two of the three launched with a game with the system, though. N64 was too long ago for me to remember.)

They seem to always have been concerned about keeping prices within the reach of the general consumer, so I wouldn't be surprised if they repeated that launch price.

It should cost $400 initially... (1)

Via_Patrino (702161) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687489)

It should cost $400 initially, because like XBOX 360, independent of store price that will be closer to the price people will find to buy it in the first days.

Better buying from a store and money going to Sony than creating havoc in the first days and paying much more to an intermediate guy.

When stocks raises, down the price to a more affordable level.

Re:Is this guy joking or what ? (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687509)

No, wait... better: does anybody even expect to buy it as anything else than a gaming rig in the first place ?

Well, the reasoning of the article is that the high price ($350-$400) is justified over the XBox-360 because it won't be just a game console. The article is essentially saying it will be looked at as just a game console, so the high price will have to be justified through that alone. He may be right too. How much is the X-Box 360 going to cost when the PS3 is launched?

My guess is that the PS3 is going to make a good game console, but a poor everything else. No one is going to buy a $400 Blu-Ray player when they don't even have a HD-TV to take advantage of it.

Re:Is this guy joking or what ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687609)

These consoles are sold as loss leaders, with the games making up for the difference, right? So if they sell less games per console than the mark up on each game has to be much more to account for the difference.

So... this means that the price of games must stay high... which puts people of buying lots of games...

I can see a problem here.

Too Broad A Market? (5, Insightful)

ivan kk (917820) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687306)

People won't adopt it because it has too many features?
Who comes up with ideas like that. If anything more features will drive more sales. Don't need to buy a blu-ray player, the ps3 will do it, along with movies and music.
Both Sony and Microsoft are trying to put a media pc in our lounge rooms, and they're free to compete for my dollar.

Re:Too Broad A Market? (1)

TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687579)

"People won't adopt it because it has too many features?"

I don't think that's the issue here. The question is, are people willing to pay extra money for these features?

For example, I would be willing to pay $200-$250 for a system that simply plays games, but not $350-$400 for a game system that does a whole bunch of other crap that I don't care about.

I'm sure a lot of the rest of the potential market for the PS3 feels the same way.

Re:Too Broad A Market? (1, Interesting)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687640)

The question here is isn't that it has too many features. The problem that Sony faces is that how will they market this thing? If they market it strictly as a games console to gamers, they'll put off a large potential of the target market. If they market it strictly as a multimedia device, they'll put off a large potential of the gamer market. If they market it as a hybrid, people will assume it won't do either well.

Re:Too Broad A Market? (3, Insightful)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687673)

Check PSP (lots of features) VS DS (games, and only games).

Did the PSP outsale the DS because of it's extra features? Duh, no, it's been badly beaten by the DS...

Re:Too Broad A Market? (1)

P3NIS_CLEAVER (860022) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687674)

Yeah it hasn't hurt cell phone manufacturers. How much would you pay for a cellphone that had excellent signal reception, good battery life, and a phonebook.

Re:Too Broad A Market? (1)

dosle (794546) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687718)

I think the opinion of being to broad is built around very public failures of devices with too many features/capabilities that fail at doing ONE THING exceptionally well. I believe the PS3 as a gaming machine will be extremely well at that, and to the average consumer/gamer this is all they want primarily. Everything else is icing on the cake to me, I love extra features as long as they aren't compensating for a lackluster primary funtion.


DVD-VCR Combo (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687789)

Some people refuse to get those DVD-VCR combos because they don't want to have to replace both if one breaks (besides, it seems the combos are often low quality). It'd be different if it really cost the same as buying a vcr alone (and similar quality). So that's what it will come down to. How high a quality are these extra components and how low a price will the overall system cost. I've heard from others who own PS2s that they didn't use it as a dvd player. It just wasn't as good as the dvd player they already owned. Not to mention they didn't want to wear down the drive so that it didn't play games anymore. So IF added dvd capability brought the cost up and didn't give any added benefits to the majority of people who bought it, then it was "too much". I actually don't think that was the case with the PS2 but it could quite possibly be true with some of the features of the PS3.

Second Hand purchase (4, Insightful)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687313)

I'll wait ... just like I did with PS1 and PS2 ... a few months after it's out you'll probably see it for under $200 at Video Game Exchange, Rewind, FuncoLand, or some other Re-Sale game store. $350-$400, are you kidding!?!?

Re:Second Hand purchase (1)

Caspian (99221) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687390)

Amen! Seriously, what the fuck is up with expensive consoles nowadays? I remember the old Nintendo (as in the NES) being, what, $100? Do they think gamers are made of money?

Re:Second Hand purchase (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687567)

And the GC currently costs around $100, with 2 controllers, Another 2 to fill it out costs $50. The new XBox 360 costs $400 for the version that will play all the games, plus $50 for an extra controller. You want 4 controllers, that's an extra $100. Plus, if you want to play online, that's $60 per year.

The cost of the NES (2, Insightful)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687586)

Someone's looking at the past through rose colored glasses. The NES had two bundles:

$249: NES Console 2 Controllers Light Gun R.O.B (Robotic Operating Buddy) Gyromite (R.O.B game) Duck Hunt Super Mario Bros.

$199 NES Console 2 Controllers Super Mario Bros.

Games cost anywhere from $59 to $79....and this was in 1985 Dollars! the Atari 2600 IIRC launched around $400 and sold like hotcakes. In comparison, the Xbox360 and the Ps3 are right in line with every other system launch that preceded them.

Re: The cost of the NES (1)

santaliqueur (893476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687778)

from $59 to $79?

i had a ton of nintendo games, and i did not pay $59 for any of them.

Re:Second Hand purchase (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687414)

$350 - $400 then $200 - are you kidding? $500 is more likely and that's not inlcludng extras.

Re:Second Hand purchase (3, Insightful)

fixitben (838909) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687632)

Well it has been 4 months and you still can't even get a new 360. So what makes you think you will be able to get a PS3, for half the price in a couple of months after release. The only way that will happen is if they put out total piece of junk.

Re:Second Hand purchase (1)

RubberDogBone (851604) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687726)

You are assuming you will be able to buy a used PS3.

There have been rumors about the range of DRM to be included in the PS3. Some rumors stated the console and the games will be locked to the original purchaser's console only, Sony's goal being to destroy the used game market that doesn't pass any money into Sony coffers.

Hard to imagine paying full retail for each and every game. And what happens when the PS3 breaks and you have to buy a new one? All your old games die with the broken console?

I hope this is not what Sony is planning but I would not put it past them.

Confusing? (2, Insightful)

sumi-manga (948999) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687315)

I thought all those features were actually the interesting, intriguing and exciting part of the wait...

Confuse the consumer? Do too much? (4, Insightful)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687318)

People know what a Playstation does... it plays games! If it does more than that, great. Don't underestimate the consumer! People are anticipating this release, and just because it does movies, internet, PVR (does it?), washes the dishes and takes the dog for a walk... well, that isn't going to change the fact that Gran Turismo 5 and Grant Theft Auto are going to be played on it--consumers won't forget that!

Re:Confuse the consumer? Do too much? (1)

FlopEJoe (784551) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687663)

My company was bought out by a much larger corp and our 401k options went from 18 choices to 5 very bland ones. When asked why during a Q&A, HR replied that people get confused with too many options and wont participate. The room erupted with laughter. Since there's so many options for shampoo, are there people too confused to shower??

That's not to say that more stuff is always better. Especially if it bloats the size, price, chance it will fail. No one want's to pay for features you don't use but saying it will "confuse" people can't possibly be the reason.

Comparable? (1)

Teiresias_UK (413251) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687333)

This is a similar problem to one being argued over in the Defence industry. Many are saying that building in easy capability for expansion should be a priority for a platform rather than 'gold-plating' the original model with what seems good at the time, but is soon out of date. Leaving this room allows you the space to include new technlogies as they develop over the lifetime of the platform, giving it a longer life.

It seems to work on my PC, I've had it for years and the only original piece is the chassis and case, with the main beneficiary being the electronics companies who have made money out of selling me the upgrades, so why not on the PS3?

Re:Comparable? (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687594)

But the PC world is a lot more complicated because of all the variation across machines. You can't just pick up a PC game and expect it to run on any PC, you have to look at the minimum specs, and multiply that by the magic number that gives the actual minimum specs for a good gaming experiece. With PS, GC or XB, you can buy a game, and it just works.

This is how it works (5, Insightful)

thefirelane (586885) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687336)

says Deutsche Securities analyst

This is how it works when you are an analyst: Make anything sound negative. Either it has too little features, or then it has too many. Never is anything just right, or well done.

That way, if it fails, you can say "See, I called it". If it succeeds, you say it did so in spite of those shortcomings. That's how it works.

Re:This is how it works (1)

scaryjohn (120394) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687549)

You forgot the most important part:

This is how it works when you are an analyst: Make anything sound negative. Either it has too little features, or then it has too many. Never is anything just right, or well done.

...unless you recommended this company's stock a couple months ago when you got that spot on CNBC, or your investment banking division is getting a huge kickback from them... in which case filing for bankruptcy even means "Buy! Buy! Buy!"

Re:This is how it works (1)

to_kallon (778547) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687564)

i wasn't sure whether to mod this funny or insightful.

then i noticed i don't have any mod points. problem solved!

Cram as much as you can into PS3 (2, Insightful)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687341)

I say cram as much stuff as you possibly can into it, just don't let the price go too high.

If you have the technology to be the latest and greatest, why not?

Which is precisely the point... (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687412)

I say cram as much stuff as you possibly can into it, just don't let the price go too high.

That's precisely the problem, though.

The more you cram in, the higher the price goes. That's just the way things are. Now, it looks likely that the Xbox 360 will be cheaper than the PS3, and the Revolution will probably be quite a lot cheaper. Given that, will the PS3's superior hardware be worth the extra cost?

In theory one could probably cram half a dozen Opterons and a pair of top-end SLI nVidia cards into a PS3's case... it would certainly be high-performance, but it would cost so much that nobody would buy it. Where's the sweet spot? We won't know for a while, but it's possible that Sony have overshot it somewhat.

Jack of All Trades (1, Insightful)

duerra (684053) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687353)

As the saying goes - "Jack of all trades, master of none."

Sony needs to make sure that they really come through one some of the features they are offering with the PS3. If the PS2 is any indication, Sony may be in for some tough times ahead. While at the time the PS2 was a great option for a cheap way to get a DVD player, its DVD menu system is absolutely horrendous. Also consider that the Emotion Engine never even came within flying distance of living up to its hype and expectations (expectations which were created by Sony, and not the media, might I add).

There has been a TON that Sony has committed for the PS3, and have tried to one-up everything that Microsoft dedicated for the XBox 360, presumably to get consumers to hold off until the PS3 arrives, knowing that wallets for $400 consoles and $60 games are limited. My speculation is that maybe half actually ends up in the final console. This will no doubt be a disappointment for the consumers that were consciously waiting for the PS3 because of those features, but fortunately that market is more limited (even though they are also most likely to be the early adopters). However, if they actually are able to do the rest of these things well and come up with some good marketing, especially the Blu-Ray DVD features, Sony may do very well with the PS3. If not, they could be rolling on their belly pretty quickly.

Kind of stupid comment (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687355)

The PSP started off being able to play games, UMDs and MP3. Later upgrades saw the addition of a web browser, a viewer for Sony's wireless video system, AAC and more. Despite doing so much it seems to be selling quite nicely.

As long as Sony don't shoot themselves in the head (and I wouldn't put it past them) I imagine the PS3 will be an excellent games system first and foremost and with luck an excellent multimedia jukebox. Of course Sony being Sony they'll promptly royally fuck things up by putting some petty restrictions into their software to stop it being as useful as it could be.

Re:Kind of stupid comment (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687452)

Problem is, the PSP isn't selling enough *games* which is where Sony makes their money. Yeah, the PSP itself has sold well, but Sony is losing a hell of a lot of profit in game sales.

George Foreman style (2, Funny)

ITchix0r (883851) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687359)

Well, we already know that the ps3 will cut the fat! []

Danger (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687360)

If I ever even bought one of these things I'd keep it firewalled far away from my other machines and my personal data. You can't trust Sony.

Playstation plays who too much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687362)

What is this, some really lame "In Soviet Russia" joke?

PSP = Bad Comparison (4, Insightful)

bitkari (195639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687374)

from tfa: If consumers buy the PS3 as a multimedia machine, they might not purchase as many video games...

since the PSP also plays music and movies, fewer people are buying games designed for it. In the PS2's initial

year on the market, players bought more than three games for each machine that was shipped. For the PSP, that

ratio slipped to 2 to 1.

I suspect that the reason for this was not the fact that the PSP can play music and movies, but the fact that

(and I'm bracing for the karma burn here) the PSP simply hasn't released enough quality games.

Sure, there are some good titles, but nowhere near enough of the quality and variety needed to really push the

PSP platform.

As long as the PS3 manages to maintain a game catalog akin to that of the PS2, it should do well. Having a slew

of additional features should not harm sales, as long as the games are there in force.

Re:PSP = Bad Comparison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687792)

In addition to a lack of "quality" (quality is in the eyes of the purchaser) titles, for many of us, there's no real appeal to playing on a teeny tiny screen when we have much larger televisions and such at home to play games on (the biggest reason I felt no need for a PSP at all).

PSA to the Coffee Impaired (0, Troll)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687380)

"megahit" != "megashit"

That is all.

Except that that is kinda of a cool phrase- We should work into casual conversation.

In other news... (5, Funny)

Last_Available_Usern (756093) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687392)

Chrysler announces it's latest offering of cars will not come with air conditioning or a back seat amongst other features. They are quoted as saying they want to focus on the "driving experience" only for now. They fear some potential buyers might be scared off by the superfluous features.

Re:In other news... (1)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687652)

In other news, Sony announced that its new CarStation would not only play the next generation of games, but you can drive it to work (max speed 45MPH, 5 gallon fuel tank, 15MPG), it also has a built in coffeemaker (because people like to enjoy a fresh cup on the way to work), an automatic shaver (for folks with long commutes who don't have the time to shave at home), and will also play BluRay DVDs with 5.1 surround sound.

(Never mind that there wouldn't be enough range for folks with long commutes, or that the thing is too noisy to hear the artefacts in 128K MP3s, etc.)

Re:In other news... (4, Insightful)

Slightly Askew (638918) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687683)

Laugh if you want, but there are some high end sports cars that do not come with a radio, back seat, automatic transmission, air conditioning, and many other "features". And yes, the purpose is to enhance the driving experience, whether by making room for more power or forcing the user to concentrate on the driving, not the radio/cell phone/passengers.

Re:In other news... (1, Insightful)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687735)

No, you've really missed the analogy here. It's like Chrysler saying all it's new models of cars will all have AC, power windows, CD player, anti-lock brakes, heated seats, in-car navigation, and a leather interior. All models will cost about $3000 more than the equivalent model (minus the above extras) of the competition. That's great if you want all those features, and are willing to pay for them. It's not so great if you just want basic reliable transportation.

I use my PS2 for 3 things (5, Insightful)

bhunachchicken (834243) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687403)

1. Playing PS2 games
2. Playing PS1 games
3. Watching Movies

Hopefully I will use my PS3 for 4 things

1. Playing PS3 games
2. Playing PS2 games
3. Playing PS1 games
4. Watching Movies

Don;t forget the root kit (1)

doublem (118724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687661)

All Sony hardware will come with a Root Kit pre installed, so you can act as a node on a zombie Spam network without any activity on your part!

Just plug in, connect to the network and go!!!

As an added bonus, anyone who buys or hacks the Sony "vertical marketing module" will be able to access any in game contact information you've stored for online gaming! As a result, you'll be able to send v1argr@ popup ads to all your opponents and allies in on line MMPG games!

Isn't that COOL?!?!?

Backwards compatability (2, Interesting)

TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687708)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Sony stated that the PS3 will not have backwards compatability.

Re:Backwards compatability (1)

bhunachchicken (834243) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687785)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Sony stated that the PS3 will not have backwards compatability.

If that's true then Sony should give up right now.

The Revolution will be able to play a large amount of Nintendo's back catalogue and the Xbox 360 has (very dubious) backwards compatibility.

I won't buy a PS3 if I can't play my PS2 games on it.

By the way... (1)

TheNoxx (412624) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687410)

Badly written article != news.

Just a hint.

Why not? (3, Interesting)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687416)

Sure, why not! Why would you NOT want extra feautures?

I'd be clamoring for a $600 cell phone that plays music, watches video, manages my schedule, a 12" widescreen display... See my point here? Number one, we've tried the everything-to-everybody-devices before. They usually don't do that great.

Number two, it'll be hard to get the average non-gaming best buy shopper in the HDTV section to take notice of the PS3 over there in the 'kids' gaming section. They've got the PS3 name. Playstation = games. As of right now, Playstation != next gen HD movie content. It's possible, but they've got to get it out there.

Give my dad a reason to even LOOK at a ps3. He's a HD connoisseur like anybody else, but the thought of getting a PS3 wouldnt' even go through his mind.

Re:Why not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687734)

He's a HD connoisseur like anybody else

Which does he prefer? I find 1997 a good year for Western Digital Caviars, personally.

Re:Why not? (1)

E-Rock (84950) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687741)

If a blu-ray player is $1000 (and currently it is) and the PS3 is sub-$500 (they currently claim it will be) then you'll see people walk over to buy a PS3 just to play blu-ray.

Of course this is where I get confused. If the cheapest BR player is a grand and bigger than my stereo reciever, how on earth is the PS3 going to come in at less than half the price and no bigger than the 360?

I'm reserving judgement until I see the final product, but I think this is why no one has see the final product.

Initially (1)

LordMyren (15499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687457)

Yeah, so its hard to sell initially as anything but. IFF (if and only if) sony does a good job of making a media machine as well, then maybe we'll see some consumer saturation grow, create an emerging market. Otoh, a $400 media machine is very hard to justify. Unless you're comparing it to the extensible PC media center platform, in which case its a bargain, if limited to whatever shitty sony-centric drm-laden BS they turn it into. Frankly, I'll bite the bullet and point fingers now, Sony's going to have all the cards to do it right but the product isnt going to live up to expectations.


Nintendo called it (2, Insightful)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687466)

The Gamecube was specifically designed to do one thing very well: play games. (Whether or not you feel it has games worth playing is moot.)

The Revolution, similarly, is meant to play games and do very little else. Nintendo has said several times that they want to make GAME consoles, because people already have all that other stuff, and they can remain more focused this way.

There's nothing terrible about Sony's approach, but it MAY confuse some people. It certainly seems to be lifting the price.

The features won't kill it... (1)

TerminalWriter (953282) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687479)

Generally, if there's any decent advertising, (which you know there will be) the make or break component for a game system is the game catolog. I think that was Nintendo's flaw. Very little of their game catalog grew up even as their gamers grew up. They kept marketing to kids, who have less purchasing power than some of the other gaming age groups. They lost some of their big names developers for more mature audiences to Sony and Microsoft. So as long as Sony hasn't burned any bridges with their game developers, they should have the great catolog they've had with the past two systems and still be a major player.

What message? (1)

scolby (838499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687508)

Sony's message might get muddled in the process of going after too broad a market

The company that dominated the last generation of consoles is releasing a new one. What more do most consumers care about? What more do they need to know?

Bring it on! (1)

cyborat (718885) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687517)

If they are able to cram more into the box, a broader market isn't necesarrily a bad thing! Some will buy it for the games only. Some will buy it for the online capabilities WITH the games, and some will buy it simply for the online 'community' stuff alone. Plus, if their new portal has all the goodies it has been rumored to have, a whole new slew of people will start buying them that perhaps we haven't even thought of yet.

I for one will be getting one. I have been PC only (other than playing friends Xboxes and PS2s) since my N64 - and yet now I am for sure going to be standing there to pick my PS3 up on the first day. Count me as one example of how the gadgets inside will attract people. Whether everyone really knows what all the gadgets are, it won't take long for people in all types of genre to learn what they do. Soon those people will be wanting one too.

Just my $0.02 X^D

Current DVD Players (2, Insightful)

djsmiley (752149) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687526)

When i look for a DVD player i want it to play xvid, avi, jpegs and MP3s at least.... Yet when my mum looks she just wants it to play a DVD easily.

If sony can make it accessible to the customer, then the customer will buy it, if it also plays other formats, the customer will be more pleased when they randomly find this extra functionality. It will set the level of what consoles "should" supply as default and god help any which dont then fit this selection".

Bigger is better... (1)

dbucowboy (891058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687560)

ALWAYS the problem has been that gamers outgrow the console. Especially in an age where 90% of console gamers also are familiar with PC gaming and hardware upgrading. There is essentially no limitations to what you can add/remove/change in a PC. Console gamers are growing to expect that level of adaptability.

I'd disagree (1)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687654)

Console gamers don't WANT their consoles to behave like PC's.

Console gamers want a system that will play the games they buy for it with none of the hassles "adaptability" brings, and they expect the games to look better over the lifetime of the console as they always have without buying any upgrades at all, adaptability be damned.

Re:I'd disagree (1)

dbucowboy (891058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687749)

Mark my words, console gamers are a dying breed. In 10 years computers will be incorporated so much into our lives that console games and computers will become indistinguishable. Every hardcore console gamer I know is gradually migrating to PC games... simply because they can get out of the box and escape the limits of factory manufactured consoles. Just my observations/opinions.

Re:Bigger is better... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687666)

90%? Not a chance! I use PCs every day, but I quake with fear if I have to go inside the box for any reason. Not my forte at all. Putting more memory or installing a CD burner in my last PC almost reduced me to tears. I hate it with a passion. The plug and play capability of a console is my idea of heaven.

This hasn't stopped Apple (1)

thewrathoffluffy (920910) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687569)

This is in alotta ways like the iPod. In the beginning people only used them for music, but now they have alot more features. Do these other features make the iPods less popular? Nope. They're still selling like crazy. I bet alot of people upgrade their iPod for just the bigger hard drive, to fit more music on it.. the extra features are just, well... extra. The main feature of the ipod is to play music, it'll keep selling for that reason. The main job of the PS3 is to play games, it'll keep selling for that reason.

Will come with the latest rookit technology (0, Troll)

digitallysick (922589) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687596)

Rather than every disc having a root kit, sony will just build one in to the ps3, so it can report everything back home. They also dont like you trying to run homebrew on the psp they said " it is not intended for that fuction" if i pay for it, i can intended it for any fuction, slam it into the ground into pieces if i feel like sony!!

Turning a gaming console into... a computer (1)

dividedsky319 (907852) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687611)

When you think about it... they keep adding all these media features... all these internet features... before you know it, you'll be typing papers on your "gaming console"

Essentially what they're doing is adding computer functionality to a gaming console. Sure, it would come in handy, but... a gaming console should just play games. Do I think it will kill the system? No. It will probably sell more becuase of the added features.

But they have to be careful how far they go... As long as you can still put a game into the system and have it automatically play, I don't see a big problem, but... they have to be careful how far they go. There's a reason console gaming is so popular, becuase it's easy to use, and becuase the games will work on all systems. (I think the latter is more important, and why I still think it was a mistake for Xbox360 to release a system with and without a hard drive... especially if games start coming out that require the hard drive)

The Battle for the Living Room (1)

MrFlibbs (945469) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687635)

I think what this article is trying to say is that the Battle for the Living Room is what Sony really wants to win, and the PS3 probably won't win it.

Consumers want a command center to stream audio and video, play games, connect to the interenet, etc. from the comfort of their easy chairs. At least we think that's what we want. Many attempts have been made to produce "one ring to rule them all", but no one has yet succeeded. Sony is trying to make the PS3 the hub by cramming in all these features, but the real challenge is not marketing but capability.

Is a solution on the horizon? Apple, are you listening?

The question isn't whether it has too many feature (2, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687655)

The question is, will I be able to use them the way I WANT to use them?

I will be able to play PS3 games.
Will I be able to play PS2 games I already own?

I will be able to watch DVDs.
Will I be able to watch DVDS from other countries?

I will be able to watch Blue-Ray DVDs.
Will I be able to watch Blue-Ray DVDs the way I want to watch them or the way the content industry wants me to watch them?

In a nutshell, the question isn't what it will enable me to do, the question is what will it keep me from doing.

even PS3 will be outdated soon !! (1)

shrey (916693) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687668)

Any console cant offer too much. It was rightly pointed out that the consoles tend to grow into themselves. It wont be long before even the PS3 becomes outdated.

dont forget!!! (1)

mseidl (828824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687672)

Your new playstation 3 add-on harddrive/toaster combo. The toaster features a custom version of ToasterLinux. But, thats not all. Your toaster will allow you to play GAMES from your toast cartridges.

Doesn't Matter. (2, Interesting)

Cranky Weasel (946893) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687682)

I don't think there has ever been such tremendous fanboyism associated with a gaming console as there is with Sony. I think they could sell it at $700 and still outsell Microsoft's offering.

I'm not saying it's gonna be a bad box - it's probably going to be great, which the Playstation 2 NEVER was. I'm saying that worrying that their aim is too broad just seems a little silly. I'm also saying that many Sony fans will pay too much for their console just because it's Sony.

Yes I know that history is littered with failed console companies, and that todays leader is tomorrows gutter-dweller, but Sony has some kind of weird critical mass going in terms of market dominance and mindshare. Couple that with a general distrust of Microsoft, and the resulting scenario is such that I wouldn't worry about anything mentioned in the article.

Lots of options have really hurt PC sales... (4, Funny)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687697)

Consumers don't want to be confused by products who do more than one thing. Just look at the abysmal PC market (including Macs). I mean, once people find out that these things surf the internet AND send e-mail AND play music AND play movies AND play games AND store/edit images AND let them store all the information they can think to store, they'll run screaming to the other side of the store and buy a notepad, ledger, calculator, typewriter, DVD player, WebTV console, CD player, and game console. These computer things will never catch on.

PS2 was a movie machine (1)

CuriousForge (914635) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687699)

When I purchased my PS2 I did so primarily to use it as a dvd player. Having all the living room devices in one box is very attractive to me. My only concern with PS3 is that it is highly likely Sony's PS3 DRM will be very aggressive and so limit the devices useability that its feature set will be largely crippled. .... DRM is the enemy.

features are ok (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14687707)

as long as they work. Thats the biggest concern. The more complex you make an item, the more potential problems you introduce.

They gotta be careful.... (1)

Tenric (953434) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687751)

Does anyone remember the 3D0?

Whiners (1)

WilyCoder (736280) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687776)

The only people complaining about a product having _too many_ features are the marketing droids that can't figure out a slogan.

"It washes the dishes AND plays GTA....wait that doesnt sound right"

Sony is doing it righ....maybe? (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 8 years ago | (#14687781)

The one thing they must do is make is so that all PS2 games will work on it. Mos PS-x games need to work as well. This was something they did well with PS2. PS2 game consoles are starting to wear out so of course when ours does I will buy a PS2, if it is truly compatible. If not, I will buy a PS2 somewhere because it is much cheaper.

The other features will become important over time and even desirable by adults. Only time will tell.
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