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Opera on the Nintendo DS

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the now-that's-a-wierd-one dept.

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dxprog writes "Opera has announced that they and Nintendo are going in together to create a web browser for the DS. The browser, based on Opera's core engine, will take advantage of the system's two screens and the touchscreen to provide on-the-go portable internet access. From the article: 'Within just five seconds of turning on the system, the Nintendo DS is already fully operational. This makes it the ideal device to enable people to swiftly obtain the latest information from the internet, wherever they are.'" Update: 02/15 15:50 GMT by Z : More information about the browser and game announcements available from Gamasutra, and Iwata's aim that they'll hit 10 Million DS units sold is reported on the Next Generation site.

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Opera... (0, Flamebait)

kirk26 (811030) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723896)

that's just terrible!

The Corpse Floats (-1, Troll)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723919)

Within just five seconds of turning on the system, the Nintendo DS is already fully operational.

80 seconds after this, Opera should be fully loaded and ready for browsing.

This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (5, Informative)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723923)

Doing something like this truly shows the versatility of Opera. They sure have come up with a fantastic products. Not only does it work perfectly on desktop systems, rivalling Firefox, Internet Explorer, Konqueror and Safari, but it is also a gem on far less powerful systems.

With all the talk about the flexibility of Firefox, I just can't imagine seeing it run on similar hardware. Enough people complain about Firefox leaking memory that it seems almost impossible for it to remotely support such devices.

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14723975)

I wouldn't call it a 'gem' until you actually see it in action.

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14723992)

My guess is that its similar to Opera mini [opera.com] , which does all layout in a pre-processing proxy. If the real opera engine is running anywhere its on that proxy, not on the DS.

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (2, Informative)

11223 (201561) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724483)

Um, why would you guess that? I run the full opera on a 200MHz TI OMAP processor on my Windows Mobile Smartphone. That processor is not much faster than the DS's ARM7 processor. I also use NetFront on a 132MHz Sony ARM processor in my Clie. The ARM7 in the DS can handle running a full web browser.

If they really optimize it, they can use the second, slower ARM5 to uncompress images while the first is loading the page. This is a common trick on multiprocessor systems already.

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (4, Informative)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724006)

You don't really think they're merely recompiling mainstream Opera to run it on this kind of platform are you?

Opera, Opera for Mobiles and Opera for Devices (which is DS' opera) are different products, only the core (the rendering engine) is cross-platform, just as Gecko (Firefox' rendering engine) is completely cross-platform but not necessarily the interface itself.

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724363)

Thanks for your opinion. Next time I have an opinion-shortage I'll be sure to consider it. In the meantime, can we get on with discussing the technology.

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724528)

Except Gecko is bloated and slow and doesn't do well on more limited devices.

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724589)

Except you're wrong, gecko is on par with Opera's rendering engine

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724535)

I was wondering how someone was going to bring about Firefox in this discussion....

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (1)

manno (848709) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724128)

Great now I need to get a DS. Son of a...

use this with something like

http://www.google.com/ig [google.com]
http://www.live.com/ [live.com]
http://www.eskobo.com/ [eskobo.com]

if they work with the DS version of Opera that would make the DS absolutly KILLER

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (2, Informative)

brickballs (839527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724142)

um, just so you know, the firefox memory leak turned out to be not a memory leak at all [slashdot.org] .

and while, yes, opera is absolutely awesome, I can imagine firefox running on a gameboy ds.

Re:This truly shows the versatility of Opera. (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724360)

I can't, but I can perfectly imagine a gecko-based browser running on the DS on the other hand.

It's about time! (2, Insightful)

Diablerie (195323) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723927)

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to make a web browser for the DS. I think it's much better suited for it than the PSP.

With Opera working on it, I'm hoping for some good results.

Re:It's about time! (1)

rjfan (529592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724208)

I'm not sure why this is being rated as Flame material. As someone that has both PSP and DS, the DS would win my vote as a better browsing device because of the touchpad capabilities.

headline fails (5, Informative)

cycledance (812080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723931)

there is no such thing as a gameboy ds. its nintendo ds. the gameboy advance sp and gameboy micro are the current gameboy.

Re:headline fails (0, Offtopic)

cycledance (812080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723993)

redundant for being first?

Re:headline fails (0, Offtopic)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724062)

Yeah, that was a stupid moderation.

Re:headline fails (0, Offtopic)

cycledance (812080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724081)

i feel better now. seriously.

Re:headline fails (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724141)

But will you feel better when your last two posts get rightfully moderated -1, Offtopic?

Re:headline fails (0)

cycledance (812080) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724185)

no...but i wont feel worse either.

Keyboard (4, Interesting)

rlp (11898) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723933)

Using a soft keyboard is feasible but fairly slow and tedious (I've got a WiFi enabled PDA with both a soft and a chiclet keyboard). Also a lot of sites don't scale well to a low-res screen. I enjoyed the novelty of WiFi browsing on a PDA, but don't use it that much any more.

It could be handy for quick (read) access to Web mail, sports, weather, etc. Not a Blackberry replacement though. :-)

Re:Keyboard (3, Interesting)

gurutc (613652) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723973)

I use the Opera WAP Browser on my tiny cellphone. I have to say it's a vast improvement over the built-in browser. And it's usable on my cellphone which is hugely more ergonomically and visually challenged than the DS.

Re:Keyboard (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724145)

Opera WAP? Opera doesn't have a WAP browser. All Opera browsers are full web browsers.

Re:Keyboard (1)

gurutc (613652) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724326)

Yes you are right. It is a full-functioning browser. My bad. Mods! Raise up the AC!

Re:Keyboard (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724018)

The Blackberry would be better anyway because it is connected anywhere there is a compatible cellular network. The DS needs to have an open (or have a key for) WiFi hotspot nearby, those tend to be far spottier than the cell network.

Re:Keyboard (4, Interesting)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724111)

I really wish Nintendo would come out with a pda that could run their game carts. My Palm is getting a bit old, and I am not sure I trust them long term - and I still really dislike those WinCE devices. Simple, fun, WiFi, and a long battery life - maybe I am dreaming.

Re:Keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724337)

I really wish Nintendo would come out with a pda

keep an eye on http://www.dslinux.org/ [dslinux.org] .

DS PDA (4, Interesting)

metamatic (202216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724509)

Summitsoft were working on a PDA cartridge for the DS called Organizer Plus. If they had that for sale and it supported iSync, I'd likely ditch my Palm.

However, I haven't seen anything more than press coverage about the alleged product, so I'm not sure if it actually exists any more. Their web site doesn't even mention it.

There are also rumors that Nintendo is going to license Palm applications and sell them as V-Pocket, and Miyamoto mentioned in an interview that he sees PDA software as a way to expand the system's appeal. No official product announcements yet, though.

So, I'm sticking with my Palm until there's actual shipping product, or Sharp USA decides to start shipping the SL-C series, or someone else ships a decent Linux PDA, or Nokia fixes the handwriting recognition and speed of the 770.

Re:Keyboard (1)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724249)

It could be handy for quick (read) access to Web mail, sports, weather, etc. Not a Blackberry replacement though. :-)
True, it can't really replace a Blackberry. There are a ton of features missing and web browsing won't replace them. But as far as only reading web mail, ... why? The touchscreen keyboard on the DS works very well in Animal Crossing, and I'm sure that handwriting recognition could be implemented (despite the Simpsons, handwriting recognition worked fairly well on the Newton, and that had far less horsepower than the DS).

If one could pair the right software with the Datel 4GB HDD for the DS that was announced recently, you could get some relatively decent mobile computing out of it.

Re:Keyboard (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724484)

ironicly slashdot renders very well on my pda.. because it just shows the text and nothign else..

How easy on the eyes will it be? (4, Interesting)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723940)

Obviously this will not be a replacement for pdas for serious mobile internet users, but I wonder just how readable it will be. I have done a bit of web browsing on the psp, and while my eyes aren't perfect, I considered the psp's screen to be the "bare minimum" one really needs to be able to read web pages. The whole 2 screen thing to me would just seem jutting...I love the DS for games, but I don't see it being a great web browser.
Also, will the Opera cartridge contain a firmware update that will finally allow DS units to use WPA instead of the pitiful WEP? Would seem like a minimum for web browsing to me...

Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724070)

What WPA implementation do you want? The basic one is a joke and broken more easily than even WEP.

Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? (1)

mike260 (224212) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724314)

Noone cares about the security of the thing, they just want to be able to connect to WPA-enabled APs.

Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? (1)

ILikeRed (141848) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724083)

What do you think WPA or WEP gets you in your web browsing?!? Neither is worth a damn for security, if you want encrypted traffic you should be using ssh, sftp, scp, https - namely not http or ftp. You realize that once it leaves the immediate wireless router WEP and WPA traffic for http and ftp goes to clear text that can be snooped once again, don't you? (No end to end encryption - unlike say ssh.)

Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? (2, Informative)

Erwos (553607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724495)

You're totally missing the point. The issue is not protecting your http traffic - rather, it's to protect your LAN. Without a good wireless security protocol, your internal network is _wide open_ for anyone to attack. WEP is NOT a good security protocol, and if DS doesn't support WPA, you can't use the thing at home for wireless browsing.

-Erwos

Pretty easy on the eyes. (4, Informative)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724114)

The upper screen is a zoomed in view, while the lower is a zoomed out view that you can scroll around the zoom view with the stylus. It may not be the best way to browse if you have other means, but I think this is going to be more than excellent for people stuck at airports and hotels who dont want to lug around all these crazy 17" widescreen 20 pound desktops...I mean laptops that seem to be all the rage these days.

It looks like a nice step up from cell phone browsers in both the fact that you gain more screen area, an actually decent input device, and the fact that you're not getting charged for every byte sent over the line (Depending, usually airport wifi access is free).

I'm looking forward to it. Especially now that Google Chat is integrated into their gmail, I can have full IM access with my DS on the go as well. Slick.

Re:Pretty easy on the eyes. (2, Informative)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724385)

GTalk in GMail doesn't work in Opera Desktop, FWIW.

I've tried.

(It works in IE, I haven't tried in Firefox.)

Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? (1)

calethix (537786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724198)

Along those lines, it would be nice if it would allow you to log in and use WEP at places that aren't completely open.
An example being Panera, where you have to view and accept some terms of service page in your web browser before it'll let you do anything.

Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724258)

Considering that the minimum resolution you can get on a PDA is 160x160, the DS screen size of 256x192 seems like a nice upgrade. Mid-range PDAs have a resolution of 320x320, while higher-end ones are 480x320.

I have a Zire 31 which I use to view web pages offline, among other things. My eyesight is far from perfect, but I don't find reading the 160x160 screen a big strain. The only thing that sucks is that the screen doesn't hold much information (13 lines of text in my current setup).

I don't think this thing will be a replacement for PDAs, since it lacks the extra features these devices offer out of the box. But it will be good for quick browsing of e-mail, checking the weather or sports headlines.

Re:How easy on the eyes will it be? (1)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724275)

According to the pictures, there's a zoomed mode. The bottom screen displays the web page (shrunken down of course), and you can use the stylus to get a full-sized view of page in the top window (like in Electroplankton). Also, if they implement cleartype methods for downscaling stuff, they can get much more legibility out of it. They just have to be careful to note that while the top screen is RGB order, the bottom is BGR.

Pedantic, but... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14723945)

Forgive the pedantry, but it's the "Nintendo DS", not the Gameboy DS.

Hairsplitting, perhaps, but on a site as big as Slashdot, I imagine Nintendo would appreciate their product's name being correct in the headline.

A deal between Sony and Apple? (-1, Redundant)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723946)

It would be interesting to see if Apple, or even a group of volunteers, would be willing to port WebCore to the Sony PSP. That would likely be the only way to achieve a comparable product, as it would seem that Firefox's memory requirements are prohibitive in such an environment.

Of course, Sony's recent actions may inhibit the support they would get for such a product from the open source development community. That is why they'd likely have to partner with another business (like Apple), or do it all themselves.

Re:A deal between Sony and Apple? (1)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724031)

Erm, doesn't the PSP have a web browser already?

Re:A deal between Sony and Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724063)

Possibly, but it's not from Apple so it doesn't count.

Re:A deal between Sony and Apple? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724284)

The PSP already has a browser - Netfront. It's crappy though.

Re:A deal between Sony and Apple? (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724331)

I don't see what would stop Sony from partnering with Opera for the PSP, if they wished. Opera seems to have gotten a good foothold in the portable browsing department, with rival companies using their technology. Just because Nintendo uses them, it doesn't mean that Sony has to do something different. Sometimes two different companies can recognize the same thing as a good thing.

Wow (1, Funny)

Alex P Keaton in da (882660) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723949)

You will know this deal is over when the fat lady sings....
(Rimshot, because it requires a couple connections, and some knowledge of Opera as a cultural event and certain sereotypes about female Opera singers, to be funny)

If you have to explain it... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724059)

... it's not funny. Just a quick rule of thumb.

Re:If you have to explain it... (1)

Bob54321 (911744) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724580)

But it is modded funny... I thought we could take comment moderation as the truth

Re:Wow (2, Funny)

Burb (620144) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724094)

Your page isn't loaded until the thin browser pings.

Re:Wow (1)

jthayden (811997) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724207)

You will know this deal is over when the fat lady sings.... (Rimshot, because it requires a couple connections, and some knowledge of Opera as a cultural event and certain sereotypes about female Opera singers, to be funny) You know I think it had all of those, what it really lacked though was humor, or for you brits 'humour'.

opera (0, Offtopic)

revery (456516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723972)

Opera on the Gameboy DS

Hmm. I personally think that porn on the PSP is going to be more popular...

Anywhere? (1)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14723980)

"Anywhere" now apparently means "anywhere where you already have a wifi network you can access." Woo?

Gameboy DS? Nope. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14723984)

The Nintendo DS is not a GameBoy. The story title is wrong.

Dualscreen Browsing? (1)

Ozzeh (954692) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724001)

I wonder if they'll use one screen for input exclusively or will "spread" content over two pages. The 256x192 pixel resolution of the DS is very limited, even for a mobile device..

Re:Dualscreen Browsing? (1)

Eccles (932) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724074)

Indeed. I like the touchscreen, it really needs a PSP-size screen on the top half. There aren't any rumors of anyone making such a device, are there?

Also, are there any hacks to allow the DS to work like a Gameboy Advance or SP for games that make use of them as a smart controller? (For example, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles or Animal Crossing.)

Re:Dualscreen Browsing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724241)

As people aren't modding up the people who have mentioned it so far, I'll say it again.

Bottom Screen, a view that contains the whole page, shrunk to fit the screen (not unlike the shiira widget for os x).

Top screen zooms into a readble view wherver you are touching with the pointer.

There are rumours that gestures with the pointer will be supported.

Re:Dualscreen Browsing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724423)

It appears from the picture in The Friendly Article that the content will be displayed - in quite a clever fashion - on both screens. As for input, not sure (see below for speculation).

The bottom screen will display an entire screen-full of web page (basically what you might see on a typical PC with 800x600 or maybe (256x192)*3=768x576 resolution) crammed into tiny screen, and hence illegible. The top screen will display a full-size section of the page, with text roughly the size you'd expect on a PC screen, and consequently shows about 1/9 (1/3W*1/3H) of the screen.

Presumably, you pan the upper screen around by running your finger or stylus around on the bottom screen.

For input, possibly click in an input field, then touchscreen becomes available for writing.

I am very impressed with this solution to the problem of tiny screens. Panning doesn't normally work well, because the controls are often difficult, and especially because you can't see the "big picture" of what's on your virtual screen. This solves that problem nicely, and makes the DS much more attractive to me as a general computing device.

Re:Dualscreen Browsing? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724465)

They have a screenshot. Yes, it uses both screens.

Uh oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724005)

Minus 10 points for calling it a Game Boy. Don't forget Nintendo's three pillars.

"Gameboy" DS? (-1, Offtopic)

kennedy (18142) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724008)

Wtf is a Gameboy DS? There's the Gameboy Advance/Micro and the Nintendo DS.

I swear this site has to be run by a bunch of trained chimps. You suer as fuck won't see this sort of fuck up on an Xbox related story.

Re:"Gameboy" DS? (1)

StupidKatz (467476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724096)

Actually, there is or have been:

Gameboy
Gameboy Pocket
Gameboy Color
Gameboy Advance
Gameboy SP (and a version 2... with a brighter backlight!!!!1)
Gameboy Micro
Nintendo DS

... and I've purchased every iteration with the exception of the last two (because a micro doesn't offer anything new like the pocket did, which was a better screen, and because I'm going to buy a DS sooner or later anyway. Nintendo owns me. ):

It's easy to get the finer details mixed up - in fact, the DS *is* a Gameboy, contrary to what Nintendo says. :P

Not a "Gameboy"! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724019)

It's the Nintendo DS, not the "Gameboy DS"! Hell, even "Game Boy" is two words.

How much will it cost? (3, Insightful)

dalmiroy2k (768278) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724022)

I would pay up to $35 (like a game) but not more. Let's hope the browser is not crippled and support secure pages and some kind of web based IM.

Re:How much will it cost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724117)

Yes, Opera's core has support for all of these (including AJAX).

Re:How much will it cost? (1)

Johnny2Bags (713404) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724597)

But I don't see buying a separate DS card just to be able to browse the web, and then carrying it around with my DS all the time. I think Opera and Nintendo should make a deal to bundle the web browser on a card included with the new DS Lite, or even more importantly - on the same card as the new Mario DS game. Mario will sell huge, and will be a game many will carry around (for some time at least). It would be awesome if the game just had a browser option on the main menu. And I would guess that Mario would have extra room on the card.

Operational (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724036)

Within just five seconds of turning on the system, the Nintendo DS is already fully operational. This makes it the ideal device to enable people to swiftly obtain the latest information from the internet, wherever they are.

nice potentially unintentional pun

Re:Operational (1)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724327)

Oddly enough, that just makes me think "I hope it supports RSS feeds." Think about it... turn on, go to your RSS feeds, see what's changed since you were last using it. Or maybe I should just sign up for Google Reader instead. :P

D'oh (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724046)

I read this at first thinking that Oprah had a web browser Nintendo was going to work with...

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/02/09/ 2057205 [slashdot.org]

Re:D'oh (1)

se7en11 (833841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724476)

I read that too and I was hope for a game with her in it.

I mean how cool would it be. You could invite guest like Doc. Phil and if you didn't do an interview right you would have Tom Cruise come out and try to kill you [google.com] .

only in japan? (1)

rayde (738949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724052)

Oslo, Norway - February 15, 2006: Opera Software today announced that it will deliver the World Wide Web to Nintendo DS users in Japan.

i'm wondering if that's ONLY in japan....

on a side note, how cool would it be to include skype on that opera cart? or an IM client?

Re:only in japan? (1)

PeterSomnium (954672) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724115)

Skype on a DS? I wonder where the future is going, if we are going to talk to our gaming handhelds.. But then again... we're dancing in front of the PS2... Makes you wonder

Only in China! (2, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724159)

I'm announcing a browser for the Chinese market!

Well, actually it's more like a flash animation showing a "this page is censorred" all the time, but who can tell the difference?

Re:only in japan? (2, Informative)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724351)

The DS is not locked for regions (i.e. You can play Japanese games on American-released systems with no modification). And it will definitely require some sort of English (or at least Latin) text input and display in order for it to be useful on this English-dominated web of ours. So as long as you're willing to learn the menus through trial and error, buying the Japanese version should be just as good as waiting for a NA or EU release.

Gotta have that CRUCIAL info! (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724077)

This makes it the ideal device to enable people to swiftly obtain the latest information from the internet, wherever they are.

Does everyone walk around thinking they are head of CTU - Los Angeles, and need constant data dumps on developing situations?

Re:Gotta have that CRUCIAL info! (1)

Errtu76 (776778) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724136)

I'm using my qtek9100's internet capabilities to check on the public transportation schedule. And yes, it's quite handy if you have this information as soon as possible, because while i wait for the page to load i might miss a connection. I'm sure there are other (better?) examples, but this is why i would love to have the information available fast.

OperaDS (0, Redundant)

blankoboy (719577) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724118)

Not quite sure what a "gameboy DS" is but it's great to hear about Opera DS! Can't wait to pick that up.

Its not the "Gameboy" DS (0, Redundant)

MelvinSmalls (917177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724132)

I don't mean to be touchy, but its just the Nintendo DS. The gameboy is something different. Saying "on the Gameboy DS" makes you sound sort of like people in 2001 complaining that the kids are pirating music on that Napster website. That is, it makes you sound a bit out-of-touch.

And yes. Puns were intended.

Controlling Audio /Video Devices With the DS (2, Interesting)

h4ck7h3p14n37 (926070) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724138)

This is great news! I'm currently working on integrating my Denon AVR-2805 [denon.com] stereo receiver into my home computer network and am interested in using the Nintendo DS as a control device. Being able to use a full-featured browser will really help in this pursuit.

The AVR-2805 supports an RS-232 interface [denon.com] which is currently connected to the serial port on a FreeBSD server in my living room; my audio and video cards are also connected to the receiver. I've copied almost all of my music CDs and am in the process of copying my DVDs to this server. As it stands today, I can output different audio and video sources and can control the receiver itself by using a combination of kermit [columbia.edu] and vlc [videolan.org] .

The next step is to add an HTTP based interface so that I can access this setup from anywhere in on the Net. My server has a wireless nic installed, and the DS has wireless support, so I've really wanted to use the DS to control everything. While I could also use my PSP, I'm more interested in the DS since it has a touch-screen interface. I think this will suit the application much better than having to use a keypad.

Re:Controlling Audio /Video Devices With the DS (1)

Limecron (206141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724534)

Wouldn't a WiFi-enabled PDA be better suited to something like this?

Using a DS for this purpose seems like it would be cumbersome and rather unelegant. i.e. You have to flip it open, wait for it to boot, swap the batteries or hookup an AC adapter every so often.

And heaven forbid someone want to change the channel while you're playing MarioKart.

With a PDA you could setup the cradle in the living room (or wherever your setup is) and leave it charging when you're not using it and it would be an "always-on" type solution.

Wi-Fi MP3? (1)

computechnica (171054) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724139)

It would be cool if it had a way to listen to MP3s from my server the way my Palm TX can.

More DS announcements (5, Informative)

rayde (738949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724153)

for more pictures, check this article with pictures of the Opera browser [advancedmn.com] and also the newly announced Nintendo DS TV Tuner. Other announcements are a new Super Mario Brothers being released in May in Japan, and a budget priced Tetris DS.

ABC-6 Action News was right (1)

the.Ceph (863988) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724182)

Oh noes! now the pedophiles can get to our children through their nintendos!!!! Won't someone please think of the children! /reactionary alarmist In other news, I might have to finally get around to buying a DS

Re:ABC-6 Action News was right (1)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724437)

No, that was the article before this one. Go back and re-post. :-P

Re:ABC-6 Action News was right (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14724455)

"now the pedophiles can get to our children through their nintendos!"

"I might have to finally get around to buying a DS"

... umm... ok...

DS =/= Gameboy (0, Redundant)

mag46 (621994) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724215)

The DS is not a Gameboy; they're two seperate products. The DS just happens to be able to play GBA games. It's just "Nintendo DS".

Nitpicking aside, this could be pretty cool, at least in concept. I have to wonder though, how practical this will be. I can't even imagine using the Internet (for any long periods) on a PSP, and its screen is how much bigger? How many sites are going to make DS-specific pages?

On the other hand, the touch screen would work great as a mouse replacement, and an on-screen keyboard is certainly faster than using a control pad to select letters.

There is no "Gameboy DS" (0, Redundant)

Evro (18923) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724238)

This may be picking nits, but there is no "Gameboy DS," the system is called the Nintendo DS. This is significant because it indicates that it's intended to be thought of in the same family of systems as the "regular" consoles, not the Gameboy.

Re:There is no "Gameboy DS" (1)

Dehumanizer (31435) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724353)

Actually, it's supposed to be a "third family" - not a home console, not a Game Boy, but something entirely different. At least, that's Nintendo's line.

Interesting... but... (4, Insightful)

J_Meller (667240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724306)

I'm assuming that they are going to distribute this browser in the traditional cart form but what about future DS versions such as the DS Lite? Do they plan to integrate it with the built in UI? Also since the cartridges are read/write, will it be possible to upgrade the browser through the net if they discover any potentially harmful security risks (buffer overflows) or new features? I wonder if they plan to market this in traditional gaming stores, personally I would love to see this, but I'm afraid that many consumers that buy the DS for it's simplicity and pick-up and play style may shy away from the technology.

Give me productivity (3, Interesting)

shoptroll (544006) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724307)

If they could provide a limited productivity suite (Calendar, Contacts, maybe a lightweight e-mail IMAP client) this could be a good alternative to a Palm, especially for a younger generation who doesn't need to have full synchronization with a pc. Although, I wonder if the PC Lan connection for non-WiFi enabled lans could be jerry-rigged to allow synchronization of a productivity suite with a PC... But I don't think Nintendo has interest in programming apps for a PC.

DS browser could be awsome. (3, Interesting)

_Pablo (126574) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724328)

With the lower touch sensitive screen showing the scaled page and the top showing the page at 100% it would be quite comfortable to scroll around using the pen. Use the shoulder buttons to swap screens when you want to use forms or click links it could be pretty usable. I guess it's not going to be that powerful however considering the memory limitations (4MB RAM although I guess code and resources can be run inplace from the cart). I just hope I can put the browser on the M3 (with Passkey2) for convenience.

I've got to admit that I am a convert to the DS after intially being sceptical (but simply being unable to resist the allure of Mario Kart DS). Since then the DS has done nothing but impress, from the limited but flexible hardware to some of the most innovative games I have played in a long time (Trauma Center, Pac Pix, Nintendogs etc all make excellent use of the touch screen).

The one thing I'd like to see (2, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724349)

Well, other than "Chrono Trigger" on the GBA? A Palm card. The Nintendo DS uses the same kind of chips found in Palm Pilots, and it would be interesting to see Palm OS 5 running on the sucker - if for no other reason than I could have my ebooks on it.

why bother? (1)

acid_zebra (552109) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724356)

browsing the web and watching video (there's also a TV tuner coming for the DS) on freakishly small screens is how I like to spend my geeking days. NOT.

Seriously, what is up with manufacturers? I don't want TV on my mobile. I don't want to watch video on an iPod. I do not want to surf the web on my DS (yes, I have a DS, and its GREAT... for games)

Does anyone think this is really cool, and something they'll use every day? Is this what you have been waiting for all these years? Especially in this time of small ultra-portable full-featured sub-notebooks?

Re:why bother? (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724577)

I thought the same about video on a mobile, until as a trial I transcoded a load of Futurama episodes onto a memory card and watched them on my Treo 650 while on a train journey across the featureless plains of Norfolk. It was great: the screen is easily big enough for simple video like cartoons or sitcoms, the battery life is decent (used ~10% in an hour) and it's really enjoyable.

Oh dear... (1)

lysse (516445) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724372)

...my first thought, on reading the headline: "Cool - beat the PSP at its own game, but with something easily animated and a bit of culture too!"

And then the other shoe dropped...

I guess.. (1)

Computeradam (948872) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724488)

I guess it will be another way for kids to look at porn at free MC Donalds/Nintendo hotspots as for me, I already have a treo 650 where I can accesss the internet from anywhere at anytime with a nice keyboard and high res screen.

two viewing modes will be available (5, Informative)

Lawmune (260527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724522)

According to brianj [opera.com] (Opera employee) on the Opera forums:

"Opera will have two modes: fit-to-width mode (similar to what mobile users are already familiar with their mobile phones using the Opera Mobile browser). This mode will use Small Screen Rendering to fit the page across both screens. Alternatively, there is a DS mode which displays an overall page view on the lower screen (where you may use the touch screen to navigate around a sort of "mini map") and read the text on the top screen in full-sized view."

Don't know about small screen rendering? See here: http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/smallscreen/ [opera.com]

Still not convinced? See what your website looks like on a small screen using the Opera Mini Simulator [opera.com] (which probably isn't exactly how it will look on the DS, but it's an approximation. The DS certainly has more screen real estate than my pathetic cell phone, anyway.)

Also, according to DS Advanced [advancedmn.com] :

"The Opera software is currently slated to release in Japan during the month of June at the price of 3800 yen, roughly $30, and will include ATOK Kanji conversion software."

Opera? (1)

Thwomp (773873) | more than 8 years ago | (#14724567)

And I was so looking forward to watching "Fiddler on the Roof" on my DS. Way to go Slashdot, with your misleading headlines. You suck!
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