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China Cracks Down on Internet Cafes

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the take-it-elsewhere-buddy dept.

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China has increased restrictions on internet game cafes. They've clamped down on anti-government slogans or displays and are now barring teenagers from them completely. Gamasutra reports: "'With the development of the Internet, there has been some harmful and illegal content,' said Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao. 'The Chinese government has adopted some management measures so as to limit the immoral and harmful content, especially for young people.' Chinese regulation of Internet content has become controversial in recent weeks due to popular search engine Google's acquiescence to Chinese censorship of its results in exchange for official license to operate in the country."

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39 comments

Oh no Zonk! (0, Troll)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736192)

Looks like your trips to china for man-boy love are over! What ever will you do?

Tied up nicely (2, Funny)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736240)

Looks like all the worries over a cold war between the aging US and up-and-coming China just fizzled out. It's like the Chinese had the enemy in their sights, pulled the hammer back, then just turned the gun around and blew their head right off.

Freedoms of religion, speech, and commerce mean nothing to the common Chinaman. Take away their Starcraft and you'll have instant civil war.

Re:Tied up nicely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14736302)

hey, look on the bright side, you'll get another Dynasty Warriors game out of it

Re:Tied up nicely (2, Informative)

oni (41625) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736656)

a) it's the koreans who are known for playing Starcraft
b) "chinaman" ??? the 19th century called. They want their trite racism back.

Re:Tied up nicely (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#14737106)

I wonder, what could be racist about referring to a man from China as a chinaman? I understand it's not the preferred nomenclature, but it's hardly derogatory.

Re:Tied up nicely (2, Informative)

Oniko (865215) | more than 8 years ago | (#14737917)

Uhhh.... riiight. You know, the word just means "black" in Spanish, so I'll just refer to every black person I see as a "negro". It's not the preferred nomenclature, but by that logic, it's hardly derogatory...

...with the exception of the very, very overt connotations of rascism and the association with social discourse from periods in which rascism was considered acceptable. A "chinaman" is a buck-toothed, slant-eyed, can't-pronounce-'r's (which is actually a japanese linguistic trait), culturally backwards, laundry-washing creature found in the imaginations of westerners and shirts from Abercrombie & Fitch, and most chinese really don't like it.

Re:Tied up nicely (1)

edbulldog (851508) | more than 8 years ago | (#14738091)

Yeah, I mean, just because there are a hell of a lot of festive, happy, accepted songs calling for 'mi negro' and 'mi negra', with the common variation of 'negraza', and the derogatory form of 'negro' is just assumed in the english speaking countries, doesn't mean we all have to firmly believe that the word is being used in the same way that a native english speaker is going to use it, specially in a place like the internet where people tend to be from very different places around the globe and... oh, wait.

Re:Tied up nicely (0, Flamebait)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#14738160)

Get a little emotional over shit on the internet, do we?

I think it's a bit ridiculous to get upset about racial slurs, especially ones as neutral-sounding as chinaman.

Hell, as a white man, I couldn't even tell you what a honky is. I sure don't care if someone uses it to refer to me.

Re:Tied up nicely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14739028)

Orientals should lighten up.

Re:Tied up nicely (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14738665)

Freedoms of religion, speech, and commerce mean nothing to the common Chinaman.

Also, dude, "Chinaman" is not the preferred nomenclature. "Asian-Chinese," please.

Re:Tied up nicely (1)

geekbastard (889412) | more than 8 years ago | (#14738680)

"that rug really tied the room together"

Re:Tied up nicely (1)

Deluge (94014) | more than 8 years ago | (#14740107)

Isn't 'Chinese' good enough? Isn't your demand as silly as me wanting to be called a Caucasian-Canadian?

So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (0)

bluemeep (669505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736274)

Seriously. Honest question. Can this potentially impact the gold farming/spawn camping industry in modern MMOs?

And, yes, I know they're not all Chinese. Yes, I know not every farmer is an adolescent. Yes, I know a large number of farming outfits are run from private offices. So don't start.

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14736500)

Seriously. Honest question. Can this potentially impact the gold farming/spawn camping industry in modern MMOs?

Holy cow. You are so out of touch with reality I don't even WANT to consider what goes on your head.

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (1)

bluemeep (669505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736787)

Because I'm curious how a political subject could affect one of my sources of recreation? Well, damn me for not warming up the soap box 'n sandwich boards and instead focusing on a small niche issue that's of interest to vocal minority!

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (1)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736833)

Even if you're just a casual player of MMOs, the farmers have a seriously detrimental effect on your gameplay experience (unless 'u want buy gold'). The more gold they pump into the system, the higher prices go. If prices are higher, they can turn around and take more of that gold they just sold away from you in the form of epic items, and sell it back to you the next time you're hurting for cash. And believe me, they push aggressively for higher prices by buying up whole markets of goods. It seriously cramps my gaming experience.

In fact, casual players are the ones who are hurt the most by gold farmers. We will never have access to the raid-only items that hardcore players do.

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14736898)

Holy cow. You are so out of touch with reality I don't even WANT to consider what goes on your head.

Yeah, I hate it when people start carrying on about minotaurs, dwarves, elves, and all those mythical creatures like they're real. Next thing you know, he'll start talking about women or something. Yeah, sure buddy. I'll believe in these fe-males when I see one.

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (1)

Swanktastic (109747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736777)

It's an interesting question you bring up. If Blizzard or any other MMORPG developer was interested in eliminating Chinese Farmers (in China), the MoTD would be "Falun Gong, democracy, freedom of speech, and other misc. Western Ideals FTW."

Since they're not making any pro-democracy statments, I deduct therefore that Blizzard loves farmers.

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#14744103)

Excuse me, I have something I need to type in to Barrens General Chat right away...

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (1)

Donjo (797935) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736788)

I do not know much about the farming industry but I think it is safe to say that the farming is not done in public (and probably expensive) internet cafes. Few gold farmers are freelance, most of them are working for somebody and getting paid for meeting a quota every day or week. If a farmer had to pay to use the machine they are at and pay for an account with subscription the whole process would not be nearly as profitable. And if the money in china is anything like the US, it would be hard to get any kind of bank account or paypal if you were underage. Since it is only teenagers being banned, I think it is safe to say that your gold will still be available.

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (1)

bluemeep (669505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736835)

Yeah, that's about what I figured... They won't stop stealing my crafting nodes any time soon, I suppose. Maybe one or two that just passively pawns off things they don't need to the companies will be stopped, but I'm sure the bulk'll still be out there.

Didn't know if someone out there had some more in-depth information on how things are going to be regulated or not, though. Never hurts to ask. Usually.

Re:So how'll this affect the gold farmers? (1)

kg4czo (516374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14740452)

ni hao

Help yourself out (1)

thesnarky1 (846799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14741542)

I'd like to think you just answered your own question. To recap: Can this potentially impact the gold farming/spawn camping industry in modern MMOs?

With the conditions that:

  • I know they're not all Chinese.
  • Yes, I know not every farmer is an adolescent.
  • Yes, I know a large number of farming outfits are run from private offices.

Well, now we have to play the odds. For this to affect gold farming, there needs to be a good percentage of gold farmers affected by this.

  • You concede they're not all Chinese. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, and say 30% are.
  • You also concede that they're not all adolescents. Lets further say that 50% are, random number, but seems generous enough.
  • Finally, we have that most farmers don't work out of public places, but somewhere where the boss can have complete control. I'll say 25% work in cafes.

Now, to add all that up. First, we have 30% (total is down to 30%), then 50% (total is down to 15%), and finally 50% (total goes to 7.5%). Now, I'd like to think I was generous in my numbers, I'm sure you could get much better estimates from stat websites (not sure where), but I'm willing to bet that these're decent (except for the 30%, that's so people don't yell at me).

Come on, if that was an honest question, and you *do* recognize everything you said, why bother asking it? Just to link gold farmers in? Come on... don't lie.

Re:Help yourself out (1)

bluemeep (669505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14742190)

Come on, if that was an honest question, and you *do* recognize everything you said, why bother asking it? Just to link gold farmers in? Come on... don't lie.

Just hoping to spark some intelligent conversation on a topic related to this issue that I could actually discuss. I'm hardly a master of international censorship policy and politics, but I've seen firsthand how this particular region's internet users can affect things I do. I tacked that addendum on at the end to ward off the "Not all farmers are Chinese, you insensitive clod!" flame posts.

Still managed to garner all sorts of other kinds of flames, though. Hoo-wee. -1 Overrated? What the hell? I don't know why I even bother coming here anymore...

*trails off mumbling*

Breaking Through (1)

lukewarmfusion (726141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736319)

If anyone is still looking for a way to let someone skirt the blocks:

This looks like a typical proxy method, but NPR was running a story this morning on Circumventor [peacefire.org] - a way to gain access to blocked content by using an outside proxy.

I wish this were a "solution" but it's just another bathtub distillery.

YRO? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14736321)

The use of the guise of "protecting the children" to allow censorship is something that definitely belongs in YRO, and is very frightening.

It is eerie, blocking content for the purpose of "Protecting the children".... COPA anyone? If the government were censoring our access to information, and doing it well how would we ever know? /* Warning: heavy usage of vast right-wing conspiracy theories follows: */

Hell, all these stories about the great firewall of china could be government introduced filler to distract us from the truth. While I don't understand why they would want to do this, I dont know why the would want to do it in china either.

I wonder how well known it is in china that censorship is going on. If it were a really well protected secret, tor could work, but if noone knows they need to use tor/what tor is, they will never get anywhere.

How many lunatics acctually belive that they are lunatics? If you had alzheimer's, and someone told you you did, then asked you the next day, would you know? I dont think i have alzheimer's, but for all I know, I do, and someone told me that yesterday.

CCP is out of touch (2, Interesting)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736417)

Again, they are out of touch. Every Chinese I've spoken with doesn't give a damn about Taiwan. To them, they are just another country. The Chinese just want to live their life free from oppression. The Taiwan issue is only regarded as a government problem, not an issue with the Chinese citizens.

Here is the problem at heart. Capitalism is winning the hearts and minds of the Chinese over communism. As such, the CCP is very jealous and is grasping at straws to maintain power and control via micro-management solutions. Yes, the CCP is imploding.

Now excuse me while your captain obvious takes a break.

Re:CCP is out of touch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14737180)

Wow... I knew Eve Online was popular but had no idea the company behind it had so much power.

Time to fight the power.
Eve Online
/cancel

Re:CCP is out of touch (2, Insightful)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 8 years ago | (#14737514)

I'd be much happier if the U.S. (and anyone else who dosn't) would learn the difference between capitalism and democracy.

Re:CCP is out of touch (1)

anaesthetica (596507) | more than 8 years ago | (#14742656)

I'd be much happier if everyone (including those of us in the U.S.) learned the difference between democracy and liberty.

Yeah that too.,.. (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 8 years ago | (#14744632)

but you have to start somewhere. I suppose one could start by understanding what liberty is in the first place, and no, I don't mean a dialect of BASIC. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_BASIC [wikipedia.org] )

Re:CCP is out of touch (2, Interesting)

SteroidG (609799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14737554)

I'm not sure how many Chinese have you been talking to or where they come from, but in my experience, the Chinese from at least the northern provinces (north of Yang Zi river, within China or overseas) tend to see it rather differently. To me, the impressions is more like: Taiwan is another province of China, it'll be back to China sooner or later. Surprisingly enough, I find the same thing to be true for some of the Taiwanese I know too.

I think you underestimate how much patriotism the Chinese, especially the Han Chinese [wikipedia.org] has.

P.S The reason I can't include southern provinces is because I can't understand some of their dialect, therefore have much less conversations with them.

Re:CCP is out of touch (3, Insightful)

evangellydonut (203778) | more than 8 years ago | (#14737888)

Captain Obvious is Captain Idiot! some idiotic white guy who thinks he knows all that just 'cuz he's talked to some chinese of unknown origin...

Vast majority of mainland chinese considers Taiwan as a province. Call it brainwashing, call it national pride, call it whatever, just don't go off running your mouth as if it were a fact. Most Taiwan-Taiwanese doesn't like KMT. So here in the US, there's a distinction of "taiwan-taiwan", "mainland-taiwan", and "mainland" chinese. And why did you drag Taiwan into this anyway? totally irrelevant from this discussion.

Mainland Chinese haven't developed a large enough middle class to realize or understand "free from oppression." The distinction between "communism" and "capitalism" in the current Chinese society are just difference in words. Official CCP's stance's been "a market driven economy with socialistic flavor" for the past several decadesn now. And as the government moves towards more capitalism and away from communism, you are now seeing lots of social-unrest from the farmers. The biggest fear is one hand, you have know-nothing farmers who are poor and consists of 80% of the population wondering where's the money they've been promised (I think something like bottwom 75% holds 15% of the wealth or some staggering number I read recently), while 20% of the remaining population slowly becoming self-aware and demanding more rights, including freedom of speech. CCP isn't strong enough to deal with both issues right now, and if they come together, you'll have a social-upheval that'll set back 1/6th of the world's population back to the late 70s, and then what?

If the economy is fully market driven instead of central-plan, China would've crashed back in the late 90s and you would've seen a global economic meltdown far worse than what took place. If China's economy suddenly becomes market driven now, all the major banks of China will be in trouble due to bad-loans of the 90s, and you'll have even more social-unrest. Given its size, history, and current situation, the CCP is doing an amazing job keeping things together. I'm not saying what they are doing is all good-and-dandy, and all for the good-of-the-people, but sometimes some things are a necessary evil.

India's facing similar problems as China... the poor are wondering where's all the wealth gone. They are, however, the only successful democracy with annual per-capita income of under US$5k...

Re:CCP is out of touch (1)

haumoana (950898) | more than 8 years ago | (#14740748)

Capitalism is winning the hearts and minds of the Chinese over communism

The few Chinese people I have met are the most capitalist people around. Their government may be communist but alot of their attitudes, especially regarding money, are as capitalist as anyone in the western world.

Losing the Mandate of Heaven (3, Interesting)

paladinwannabe2 (889776) | more than 8 years ago | (#14736904)

I feel that the Chinese Government has been in an interesting position for some time- in order to compete with the developed nations they need educated, intelligent workers, they need technology, and they need communications. However, an intelligent, informed, communicating populace is much harder to control than a population that has no phone lines, can't read, and never learned to question assumptions or think critically.

They are trying to keep a tight grip on everything while the world is changing around them. Already their system is more capitalistic than communistic in many respects- but it is a totalitarian capitalism. The Communist party has the power and they are afraid to let the reins of power go. Most Chinese in power have a few skeletons in their closets, and I feel many of them are worried that if they lost control, they would be arrested, tried, and executed.

I'm curious how China will look like in 20 years. I'm thinking they will either become the next United States or be involved in a bloody revolution. Maybe even both.

How can they ban teenagers? (-1, Offtopic)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 8 years ago | (#14737013)

How can they ban teenagers from the cafés? Orientals look like teenagers until they are 30, then they look like they're 30 until they're 50.

We used to have a drinking buddy who was 15, and he had no trouble coming with us in bars and taverns...

Re:How can they ban teenagers? (0, Offtopic)

vga_init (589198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14738923)

That's a psychological affect called "racial preference", and it's fairly universal. Basically, people have a difficult time distinguishing features in races other than their own. That explains the common phrase, "They all look the same to me."

Not likely (1)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14741017)

I keep hearing about them cracking down on internet cafes, but last time I visited they were just as plentiful.

Sure, some websites don't work (replaced by advertisements, funny, and says alot about modern China) and they have official licenses posted up, but atleast the internet works. And cheap too. For a few bucks you can surf all day.

My impression from outside of China is of a kind of dystopia where the information police patrol for thougth criminals. However, within China I never had any problem getting news and information about what is going on in the world. Infact, I usually feel way more out of touch with the rest of the world when I visit the US.

Re:Not likely (1)

Jia (158966) | more than 8 years ago | (#14747821)

I also doubt the "truthiness" of this article. Stories like this tend to get alot of play in the press because people like pointing out that, "Hey, you think current US wiretapping is bad? Check out those Commies in China. That's some good ol' fashioned totalitarianism for ya. You got it good in the US!"

I'm visiting China right now and realistically, there's lots of official government edicts, both old and new, that people only pay lip service to or don't bother following at all. Remember the governmental mandated breaks in online gaming sessions story from a few months back? Most people in China don't even know this law exists, and even if they did, it'd be impossible to enforce. Likewise, if you prohibited teenagers from going to online cafes, they'd all go out of business since that's their main clientele.
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