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Sony Denies PS3 Delay

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the fight-the-good-fight dept.

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Eurogamer reports that Sony is flatly denying the delay of the PlayStation 3. From the article: "Sakaguchi was responding to allegations made by Merrill Lynch analyst Joe Osha in a report published late last week, in which Osha claimed that the PS3 could launch in autumn in Japan, with a US launch possibly being delayed to early 2007. 'There is no change in our original plan to release the console in spring 2006," Sakaguchi told the press in Tokyo, referring to the company's only stated goal for the launch so far - namely that the console will appear in at least one territory, most likely Japan, this spring.' They have lots of opportunities at GDC and E3 to change the public perception that their next console is still very much a work in progress.

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Pretty much expected (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762164)

They've been running around yelling "Spring" for months now. Why not expect them to say it again?

Re:Pretty much expected (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14762225)

Because spring goes until June 21st. Heck, in the financial world, the second quarter only ends on June 30th. It has nothing to do with groundhogs, fresh flowers and melting snow.

That being said, it seems like a very short time to announce the features of the system, game lineup and to get everything ready and shipped.

Re:Pretty much expected (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762254)

That being said, it seems like a very short time to announce the features of the system, game lineup and to get everything ready and shipped.

Done, partly done, and all that's left in your mind I guess.

Re:Pretty much expected (5, Informative)

badasscat (563442) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762573)

That being said, it seems like a very short time to announce the features of the system, game lineup and to get everything ready and shipped.

Done, partly done, and all that's left in your mind I guess.


Yep. I don't really know where people are getting this "work in progress" thing. The system is not out yet, it's not in production yet, so why does everyone expect there to be playable units running final game copy on them floating around every time there's a press conference or convention anywhere? You'll get playable units once production has started.

The only thing that's left "in progress" - and Sony has made no bones about saying straight out that this is all that's holding the system up - is AACS for Blu-Ray movies. Yes, that horrible, evil DRM scheme again. That's it. They are waiting on the final spec before they can begin building machines, and that's expected to come within the next two weeks. Could it be delayed further? Sure, and Sony's gonna be screwed if it is. But it's not as if they don't know what hardware's going to be in this machine or what games are gonna be on it. They've got the machine designed, their hardware and software partners lined up, and their factories primed and ready. I'm sure they've got ants-in-the-pants right now just waiting to hit that "go" button.

All they are waiting for is AACS.

So I see no problem with them making a spring launch in Japan. Japanese launches, remember, rarely have more than 5-10 games associated with them, and Sony could put the hype machine in full gear as soon as they can announce a firm launch date. They could even make the end of April (Golden Week in Japan; the biggest holiday/vacation week in the country) if the AACS spec is finalized shortly, and I have no doubt that's their goal, as it always is for "spring" console launches there. Once a date is announced, you will see wall to wall TV commercials, subway ads, billboards, and every other form of marketing you can imagine in Japan - literally overnight. It's a small country with a lot of people in it; the speed at which a large and prepared company like Sony can swing into action would make your head spin. And it's not as if there hasn't been hype already; all of the game magazines and even mainstream news outlets have been covering the PS3, so consumers there are expecting it.

We'll see what happens with the managed-copy spec. But if it's finalized soon, Sony's launch expectations sound pretty realistic to me.

Re:Pretty much expected (2, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762855)

They could even make the end of April (Golden Week in Japan; the biggest holiday/vacation week in the country) if the AACS spec is finalized shortly, and I have no doubt that's their goal, as it always is for "spring" console launches there.
For what it's worth, the article doesn't agree with you (quote below). It will be very interesting to see whether Sony truly "launches" in the (real) Spring, or trickles out a few units a couple months late and declares "Mission Accomplished." If that happens, the real USA launch (as in, most of us slashdotters can actually buy one if we so choose) may barely be in time for Christmas.
It's also hard to say what exactly Sony defines as "spring", however. It's certainly not the traditional definition of the season, which covers the months of March, April and May. That would probably mean that the company has to meet its goal by E3 in May - a near-impossibility, given that no price point has been announced and no pre-sale activity has taken place at retail.

It's possible, however, that Sony will be ready for a launch by June or July, at least in some limited sense - not enough to make serious headway in terms of sales, perhaps, but enough for the firm to be able to argue that it met its own deadline and certainly enough to create a media furore that would give consumers another option to consider before purchasing an Xbox 360.

Delay? (3, Interesting)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762176)

If it means having a better system with fewer bugs and more launch titles, I can't see how a delay would be bad from an end-user perspective. I realize that any delay will harm them as a corporation, and possibly drive up the system price, but these are relatively minor concerns. Then again, most manufacturers already sell the system itself at a loss.

The only thing Sony really needs to worry about time-wise is beating the Revolution out of the gates. Given that details on the Nintendo system are still sketchy at best, this probably isn't a concern either.

Re:Delay? (5, Funny)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762326)

Agreed. I hate how people always rag on Duke Nukem Forever just because its been delayed a bit! As long as it has few bugs when released whats the big deal?

Re:Delay? (1)

Parham (892904) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763029)

Your sarcasm was so high that I felt a slight slap to my forehead when I read it... wow!

Re:Delay? (4, Funny)

prator (71051) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763065)

By the time DNF comes out, it should be so well tested that it fixes bugs in other programs in the vicinity.

Re:Delay? (4, Insightful)

Miraba (846588) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762437)

I realize that any delay will harm them as a corporation, and possibly drive up the system price, but these are relatively minor concerns.

Think again. The longer the delay, the more time the XBox 360 will have on the shelves as the lone next-gen console ("Now $249/$349!") and the less time they'll have until the Revolution launches ("Eh, I'll wait."). Remember that consoles sales will be reflected in game deals and the adoption of Blue-Ray. It's critical that they have a strong launch, and that means releasing in a fairly narrow window.

Re:Delay? (2, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762863)

The longer the delay, the more time the XBox 360 will have on the shelves as the lone next-gen console...

Not to be a Microsoft basher, but the 360 has mostly been spending its time not on the shelves, hasn't it?

All these hardware delays are making it very obvious why Apple dropped IBM in favor of Intel. The previous (Intel-based) X-Box didn't have these sorts of massive shortages to deal with.

Re:Delay? (1)

Miraba (846588) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763329)

Not to be a Microsoft basher, but the 360 has mostly been spending its time not on the shelves, hasn't it?

Well, I suppose I did make the assumption that they'll eventually ship more units... ;)

Re:Delay? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763330)

The IBM-based Gamecube didn't have this bad a shortage either.

Re:Delay? (5, Insightful)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762810)

I'll wait as long as it takes if they just put out a killer system. Last time I checked PS2's were still outselling XBox 360's so it seems to hardly matter to Sony and they could, if needed, slash the PS2 prices to keep 360 sales low.

id, If I remember, has a motto of "When it's finished." or something like that. I think Sony should follow it. Don't let M$ trick them into releasing anything less than perfect. Let M$ be the one dealing with their consoles crashing and the power supplies catching fire.

Re:Delay? (2, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762917)

Last time I checked PS2's were still outselling XBox 360's

Pfft!

Of course it's outselling the 360 so far! There have been probably more PS2s shoplifted than the total number X-Box 360s manufactured! Last time I checked, they've shipped something like a total of eight of them, and two of those went to Japan (where they did not sell.)

Also, previous-generation consoles in general are selling well, because the consoles are under a hundred bucks, and the games cost "$10 or trade for rifle."

Heck, I own a current X-Box, and I'm tempted to pick up a PS2 myself, using the change lodged in the cushions of my couch.

Re:Delay? (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763063)

$50-$75 is my price point to buy consoles I missed when they were hot. That's what I did with the Dreamcast and is what I'll do with Xbox and Gamecube. I really don't need them but for that price I might as well throw one in my collection in case I ever want it.

I think next gen consoles don't really penetrate the market for at least a year after the first next gen hits the market so only the early adopter fan boys (or their moms) will buy them during that time. So Sony has about a year from the 360 release date to come out with their own next gen to keep from having missed the wave. As they are the biggest player and have the most powerful (even if only by a little) of the enxt gen consoles I doubt they'll have many problems. The only way they could fsck it up is by releasing something that wasn't high quality or that had no developers on board.

Re:Delay? (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763081)

Eh. I bought a PS2 this year (gift), and a cousin of mine got one for xmas...on the other hand, I don't know anyone who has a 360...Obviously not scientific, but does seem suggestive.

Re:Delay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763445)

Given that details on the Nintendo system are still sketchy at best, this probably isn't a concern either.

Except that Nintendo is typically reluctant to release details about the system until they're close to a launch. Personally, I fully expect the Revolution to out before the PS3. And to totally kick ass, but that's the fanboy in my talking.

Not surprising (1)

ravenspear (756059) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762184)

That report seemed kind of hard to believe. I mean, if they delayed it till 2007 and then priced it ridiculously high, that would give M$ a significant opportunity to cut into their marketshare. I didn't figure Sony to be that stupid.

Re:Not surprising (2, Insightful)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762414)

I didn't figure Sony to be that stupid.

I didn't figure Sony would be that scared.

I can't help but feel that the XBox has Sony executives a little nervous, especially regarding the EU and US markets. The 360 has been incredibly well received by most of the developers I've spoken to, and public interest/desire for the machine is also high. It almost seems that people who were dissapointed by the final PS2 product are more wary of Sony's marketing/hype attempts this time, especially as MS has released a reasonable product, which has been well marketed, unlike the previous machine to be a front runner in the next gen market, the Dreamcast.

Japan = Beta ... US = 2007 (1)

Rob_Ogilvie (872621) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762185)

Sakaguchi told the press in Tokyo, referring to the company's only stated goal for the launch so far - namely that the console will appear in at least one territory, most likely Japan, this spring.'

So in other words... Japan is lucky enough to get to pay to be in Sony's beta test and the US is, indeed, not going to get the thing until 2007?

Here's hoping (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762196)

A Spring launch of the PS3, even if it's in a completely different market, would be good news for those of us considering the X-Box 360, but have been waiting to see how Sony's new console stacks up against it.

I'm especially interested in what the next console iteration of GTA looks like. Here's hoping Rockstar does away with pedalling little bikes through the "hood", and "playing" weight training simulators, and gets back to making games that are actually... you know... fun.

Re:Here's hoping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763113)

GTA is over. Nothing new or innovative is going to come out of Rockstar, not least because of corporate screwups.

Re:Here's hoping (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763159)

GTA is over. Nothing new or innovative is going to come out of Rockstar, not least because of corporate screwups.

I really hope you're wrong about that. GTA III is still one of my favorite games, and I'd cheerfully line up at midnight with the other rubes for a new PS3 if it had a game that measures up to it available on launch day.

Re:Here's hoping (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763302)

Not a chance. There WILL be more GTA games. Even if Take-Two goes away, someone will take over, and there will be a new GTA. Even if all the current developers all get eaten by a pack of rabid chickens, there will be a new GTA...

I understand. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14762202)

I understand that Sony's PS3 and Sony BMG are not the same thing. I really do.

However, I will never again purchase any product with the Sony brand. Ever.

r00tkits and **AA tactics have assured this.

Re:I understand. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763152)

Yay for you.

You understand that the companies function independently of each other, yet you refuse to purchase a product remotely associated with a situation they had no control over.

Your buck, your right - but it doesn't make you look like an intelligent consumer who votes with their dollar. It makes you look like a pathetic loser whose only sense of commercial activism is too jump on a bandwagon with a broken wheel.

I hope you enjoy working for someone else, cause its obvious you can't think for yourself deeply enough to lead.

YAY!

Re:I understand. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763352)

I guess you've never worked for a company where management made bad decisions. Get over it man. Sony BMG is a record label with its own CEO and management team. It would 'hurt' the people involved more if you had a more targeted boycott, after all, the good people at all the other parts of Sony were probably more pissed then you were.

When the denial is late-- not a good sign.. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14762204)

Wow, only like 4 days to respond... They must have Dick Cheney's public relations team or something...

Too much cutting edge stuff (5, Insightful)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762208)

BluRay, Cell, ... it's going to add up.

Ideally the best time to launch a next generation console is when the media format is established. DVD was established when the PS2 came out and popularised it.

I feel the PS3 is trying to establish the format itself, but that means the format is brand new at console launch, expensive, with first generation issues, speed, etc.

Cell too is very ambitious. In the long term I think it will be a good decision though.

In the end the PS3 will be marginally better than the XBox360, and is that worth being a year later? In addition, the PS3 looks fugly in its mockups, whereas the 360 appears to be quite nice.

ObRevolution: And let's not forget about Nintendo's new console either, that could beat them both on price and gameplay features.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

Laurance (872708) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762283)

Ideally the best time to launch a next generation console is when the media format is established. DVD was established when the PS2 came out and popularised it

I agree, I would not be surprised if it launched with a DVD drive. Gaining a Blue-Ray Drive later.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

MS_Word (877966) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762418)

The 360 does look nice in photos but in real life it's that horrible beige pc colour from the nineties. Why did they not just make it white instead of beige?

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14762444)

Wipe the dirt off your glasses. The 360 is not beige.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762507)

Ewww, really?

It looks so nice in photos, a bluish-white. How disappointing.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

Saige (53303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762746)

No, it's not that color beige.

It's not perfectly white, intentionally, but it's definitely closer to that than to that old PC beige.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

cowscows (103644) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762851)

I thought it looked better in person when I saw it at a store than it did in pictures. Although it's still not great. Ah well.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762502)

Ideally the best time to launch a next generation console is when the media format is established. DVD was established when the PS2 came out and popularised it.

It seems like Sony is hoping that the PS3's (presumed) popularity will help spread systems with Blu-Ray drives into millions of homes. It's quite obvious, as observed by others, that the decision to use a BD-ROM drive in the PS3 is being used by Sony as a way to gain an advantage in the HD format war.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762562)

Yeah, that's what I meant, but the time to do that is after the early adopter phase which should have given a year or two of expensive hardware being bought by media nerds, being tested for free, feedback absorbed, titles produced, and pricing levels tweaked to accepted levels.

Clearly Sony is scared they're going to lose out to HD-DVD early on without big guns backing BluRay, namely the PS3. Otherwise the PS3 would have been out earlier with a BluRay bump in 2008.

Or BluRay is merely a different laser and better motors, and thus is only incrementally more expensive than a DVD drive, processing logic (Cell in PS3's case) aside - and thus the $350 PS3 BluRay drive estimate from ML last week is even more laughable. In which case if AACS and other DRM issues are holding up the PS3, then Sony only has Sony to blame.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (4, Interesting)

kai.chan (795863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762759)

In the end the PS3 will be marginally better than the XBox360, and is that worth being a year later?

Here are the games I missed out because I didn't get the Xbox:
Halo, Ninja Gaiden, various PC ports

Here are the games that I would have missed out on if I got the Xbox instead:
Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, Devil May Cry, God of War, Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur 3, Shadow of the Colossus, etc, etc.

I get my FPS fix on the PC with keyboard and mouse, so really, the question comes down to: Is Ninja Gaiden really worth all the other games that I don't get on the Xbox? ~50% of the console market didn't think it was worth it, while ~25% -- likely people without a PC -- thought it was.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762940)

I concur. (Don't we all love saying that?) I have no need for an XBox because most of it's decent games are available for PC and the games I wanted to play on it I could count on one hand anyway. The Windows PC is as much a detriment to the XBox as the Playstation.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763062)

You also missed out on HALO 2, DOA 3, DOAX, DOA Ultimate, Project Gotham Racing (which blows away Grand Turismo six ways from Sunday), Project Gotham Racing 2, Fable, Ghost Recon 2, Jade Empire, Jet Set Radio Future, Sega GT Online, Knights of the Old Republic, Knights of the Old Republic 2, Rallisport Challenge, and Rallisport Challenge 2.

While KOTOR was ported to the PC, the rest of those games are X-Box only, but thanks for bringing out the old "there are no games for the X-Box" troll. It's always a classic.

(BTW: The only Playstation "exclusives" worth wiping your ass with were the GTA series, all three of which eventually made it over to the X-Box.)

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763206)

Halo sucks. Face it, it does. SOCOM smokes it, especially online.

Wow, you also have like 3 DOA's. While they are pretty good, they don't hold a candle to Soul Caliber. Same type of Mechanics, but theres weapons and create a character.

Ghost recon is for people who like arcade instead of strategy, see SOCOM for real combat scenarios.

Project Gotham racing? Are you kidding? That is about as immersive as my kiddie pool. It may have some nice graphics, but nothing beats licensed courses in the amount GT has em.

Fable and Jae Empire. These games did not live up to snuff. Just because they were the only options you had doesn't mean they were any good. I'll stick with Morrowind on the PC.

Thanks for playing the "All I have is an XBox and I like it. So when someone slams it my 13 year old heart feels pain. I must lash out." troll.

Grow up fanboi.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763442)

The original Soul Calibur (on the Dreamcast) was pretty good for it's time, but 2 and 3 are a huge let-down, IMHO. If you think the DOA series are "button masher" games, then you clearly never learned the best holds and counter-moves. For multi-player fighting, it's a hell of a lot deeper than SC. I will acknowldge that the SC series offers better solo play, but if I want to play a game solo I'll play a game on my computer. I keep the console around for gaming with friends, and for that purpose, DOA owns.

As for HALO & HALO 2, they don't do much for me. They are a lot more interesting than most of the FPS games out there, but I just can't get used to playing one without a keyboard & mouse.

Turismo vs. Gotham? No opinion... Racing games just don't thrill me the way they did in 1986. All that's really changed in that time is a little more detail on the road, which is blurring by too fast to see it anyway.

I agree with the grandparent post that Grand Theft Auto III and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City are the best two games on either console. The chance of a half-as-good-as-those GTA title eventually coming out for the PS3 is the single biggest factor holding me back from jumping on the 360 bandwagon this Winter.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763876)

Soul Calibur is MUCH, MUCH deeper than DoA. If you consider just "holds" and "counters" as some complex system, then you definitely need to look deeper into other true technical fighting games.

Soul Calibur contains extensive frame data, wake-up games, just-frames, string stuffers, buffers, steps, counters, guard impacts, traps, frame advantages, etc, etc. There are numerous mathematical data and analysis by players to optimize their play in each of the aforementioned points.

Virtua Fighter contain an even deeper fighting engine than Soul Calibur. To say that DoA has a deep engine compared to the complex fighting system seen in Soul Calibur and Virtua Fighter is absurd.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763242)

- There are much better FPS on the PC. Halo and Halo2 are only good if you don't have a PC and you have never played online FPS before. The Halo series is not even comparable to HL2 and CSS on the PC.
- DoA is absolutely no where close to the level of Tekken, Virtua Fighter, and Soul Calibur. The fighting system of Tekken, VF and SC is much more intricate and in-depth than DoA. If you like mindless button mashing that has no depth, and likes a game that has a few hours of replay value, then I suppose DoA is a better choice.
- PGR is not better than GT.
- Fable was all hype and no substance. Go and ask the people hyping Fable and see how many of them were disappointed.
- I'd rather play KOTOR on the PC. With a mouse and keyboard.

The other games that you mentioned were not even considered AAA. The grandparent was correct in saying that the Xbox offers little that a PC and PS2 does not.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763456)

Make that HALO 2, DOA 3, DOAX, DOA Ultimate, Project Gotham Racing, Project Gotham Racing 2, Jade Empire, Jet Set Radio Future, Sega GT Online, and Rallisport Challenge 2 since we're talking about exclusives only here (he said "missed out because I don't have an XBox", you don't miss out on e.g. Fable if you don't have an XBox, there's a PC version available with added stuff). Halo 2 will see a PC port in the future (though it will be Vista-only) so I could play even that without getting an XBox.

So we have one FPS, three DOA games, an RPG, JSRF (dunno what that is but nobody bought it) and a bunch of racing games in addition to the above mentioned Ninja Gaiden and Panzer Dragoon: Orta, which for some reason noone mentioned (probably because noone bought it). As opposed to either a gigantic list of PS2 exclusives or a decently sized list of Gamecube exclusives (even though most of them are made by Nintendo themselves).

BTW: The only Playstation "exclusives" worth wiping your ass with were the GTA series

If GTA is seriously the only title out of that list that you can appreciate you have VERY narrow tastes. But I have a feeling you're just trying to troll with that statement.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763520)

JSRF (dunno what that is but nobody bought it)

JSRF was a "rollerblade & grafitti" arcade-style game, which was actually pretty darn fun. The city was huge, and just exploring all the places you could get to via tricks (such as grinding along power lines, skating along inside walls of pipelines, stunt-jumping off fire escapes, etc.) was kind of neat. There were missions, but there were also lots of opportunities for open-ended goofing around. It's sort of like Grand Theft Auto, except all your crimes are petty misdemeanors, and the soundtrack is mostly hip-hop.

It wasn't a huge seller until the cheaper re-release, when it was put in most of the "X-Box plus two free games" bundles out there. It was never a "buy a console just for this game" kind of game, and not terribly challenging, but it's one of those games that turns out to be a lot more fun than you would expect just from looking at the demo.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763569)

Sounds a bit like THPS to me...

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762895)

I think the PS3 will be faster than the 360 but not a lot faster. The main point though is that the Cell processor will scale better for future consoles than future rehashes of current CPUs. This switch is an investment in the future and will not really pay off fully until the next next gen console at which point everyone else will be playing catch up.

Re:Too much cutting edge stuff (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763761)

"This switch is an investment in the future and will not really pay off fully until the next next gen console at which point everyone else will be playing catch up."

At which point will the developers start taking well to the Cell processor again? It doesn't matter if it's faster on the books if the speed's never properly utilized.

It is going to be tough. (1)

Laurance (872708) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762209)

I would like to see Sony launch the console in the spring, but with Blue-Ray not being finalized. It will be the big hold up. It is going to be tough, but might just do it.

Re:It is going to be tough. (1)

Physician (861339) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762813)

There will never be a blue-ray. It's called Blu-Ray.

I hope Sony knows what they're doing (2)

hchaput (544841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762232)

Many people have cast doubt on Sony's ship date, and Sony's been standing firm on Spring 2006 (mostly). If you think all the game industry layoffs are bad now, wait until Sony slips because, if they do, you ain't seen nothing yet. Thank goodness handheld gaming is going so strong or things would be even worse.

One thing nobody is asking Sony is where they will ship in Spring. Might be Japan only. Even so, with the tepid response to the 360 in North America (made worse by the shortages), and the complete rejection of the 360 in Japan, Sony stands to make a killing... if they can do this right.

Re:I hope Sony knows what they're doing (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14762791)

"with the tepid response to the 360 in North America (made worse by the shortages),"

Your logic is internally inconsistent. Tepid response? Xbox 360 is sold out! I have cash in hand and have not encountered one to purchase at retail yet! And I'm not in the boondocks either... Phoenix Metro has dozens of Best Buys, Targets, Costcos, and so forth. And don't give me that ebay crap, because a $50 shipping surcharge is unacceptable, we don't need to be supporting scalpers in any event, and the very presence of those scalpers reflects the absurdly high demand for the product!

Look, I'm a Revolution enthusiast myself, but I have the money for all three consoles so I want to buy them. I am here to tell you, though it should have been obvious already, that the only reason MS hasn't sold twice as many 360s is because of those chip supply problems preventing enough units from shipping to market.

Re:I hope Sony knows what they're doing (1)

Irish_Samurai (224931) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763220)

Lack of supply != Huge Demand.

State of development systems? (1, Redundant)

SpookyFish (195418) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762233)


Are there not some developers who can say how (in)complete the development systems are? If people don't have dev kits, there won't be games, so who cares when the console launches.

The PS3, while potentially more powerful than the 360, seems almost certain to require substantially more effort to extract that power -- making a good dev environment even more critical.

Spring = June (4, Informative)

dubiousx99 (857639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762236)

Sound about right, launch in mid June in Japan and then be ready to launch in November in the U.S. Launching a console in the first quarter of a calendar year in the U.S. just sounds like suicide to me.

No, they mean Spring in the S. Hemisphere... (1)

ErnstKompressor (193799) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763237)

...you know, for kids..

Conflicting Statements? (5, Informative)

Flaming Babies (904475) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762238)

In this article [bbc.co.uk] , a "spokesman for Sony Computer Entertainment" says that the launch could be pushed back if industry specifications on some of the PS3 were not decided soon...

Screw the delay (5, Funny)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762261)

Screw the delay, what about the price? Are they denying the damn thing is going to cost 900 bucks? If they are not they might as well delay the thing to judgement day. I don't know anyone that is going to reach up their ass and pull out 900 bucks for a video game.

For that kind of scratch I could buy a xbox360, a few games, and still have enough left over for a night with a couple of high priced call girls.

Re:Screw the delay (5, Insightful)

Albanach (527650) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762351)

The $900 figure was an analysts estimate of the build cost.

Others have already pointed out flaws in the analyst's figures, for example Sony won't pay licensing fees on Bluray, and Bluray drives will probably costs less than the analyst predicts + will fall in price rapidly.

The main point, however, is that this in no way pointed to the purchase price. Sony will have to compete in the sub $500 market and they know it. Sony will take a hit on hardware knowing they have revenue streams from games, accessories and imjportantly downloads (music, movies and games).

As the build price decreases Sony will eventually break even and at some point in the future, draw a profit on hardware too.

At no point will consumers pay $900 for a PS3 (unless they buy it on eBay the day after launch)

Re:Screw the delay (4, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763357)

Here's something I've been wondering about: At CES, all the talk about Blu-Ray referred to a price point of around $1,000 at launch for standalone players. If Sony releases the PS3 for less than $500 and it includes fully functioning Blu-Ray movie playback, wouldn't that really piss off their hardware partners? In fact, if the above is true (and I honestly don't have the slightest idea), I wouldn't be surprised if Blu-Ray manufacturers abandoned the format and went for HD-DVD instead (with units projected to launch at $500). That could really put in a crimp in the assumptions that Blu-Ray will a) be the dominant high-definition disc format and b) make Sony a ton of money to make up for whatever losses they take on PS3 hardware.

Re:Screw the delay (2, Interesting)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763363)

The $900 figure was an analysts estimate of the build cost.

However that was the same analyst's estimate that was predicting their ship date was going to slip. If Sony felt it was necessary to deny one aspect of that report why didn't they say anything about the other? Maybe they just feel that the ship date is the foremost issue in consumers' minds, but it makes you wonder.

Re:Screw the delay (1)

pyrrhonist (701154) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762367)

Are they denying the damn thing is going to cost 900 bucks?

The $900 is a made up number by the analysts who wrote the article. I find that number hard to believe. However, Sony has always sold their consoles at a loss initially. If the analysts are to be believed, all this means is that Sony loses $500 per console in the first group of consoles. The Japanese might even be willing to pay this much initially (as happened with the PS2). By the time the console hits the U.S., though, you'll pay the same as you would for an Xbox 360.

For that kind of scratch I could buy a xbox360, a few games, and still have enough left over for a night with a couple of high priced call girls.

Wait, you spend $400 for an Xbox 360 and $60 each for a few (3) games, which leaves $320. Assuming each girl gets the same amount, this means you just boinked two cheap hos.

Re:Screw the delay (1)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762397)

Wait, you spend $400 for an Xbox 360 and $60 each for a few (3) games, which leaves $320. Assuming each girl gets the same amount, this means you just boinked two cheap hos.

And the moral of this little tale is? Do the math before you shoot off your mouth.

Re:Screw the delay (2, Funny)

valkenar (307241) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763411)

Or do the math before shooting off in someone else's mouth.

Re:Screw the delay (5, Insightful)

The-Bavis (855107) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762400)

They won't come out and deny that type of overpriced estimate. It worked great for the PSP, which was going to cost you at least $500. When the PSP came out, it was a steal at $250 (thanks to slowly getting your mind used to some ridiculously higher price). You even got a free rag.

Re:Screw the delay (1)

WinnipegDragon (655456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762754)

People paid $900 for a NEO-GEO didn't they? This is supposed to be more than just a console as well. It would hurt them, sure, but it wouldn't be fatal...

Re:Screw the delay (1)

Lord Apathy (584315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762871)

People paid $900 for a NEO-GEO didn't they? This is supposed to be more than just a console as well.

Some people paid for a neo-geo, but not enough to keep them in business. I admit that people with more money than sense would easily pay 900 bucks for what will amount to a throwaway game system. Just at 900 clams the masses won't be buying it. Hell, for most of the people I know the PS2 is good enough for them. Once the PS2 dropped to around 200 bucks everyone that I knew and their dog had one.

At 900 bucks there just won't be enough people buying them to keep them in business. Look at the neo-geo for your answerer there. How many of them are still around, where can you buy games for it, hell, can you still buy games for it?

For the record though I really don't think the PS3 will selling for 900 bucks anymore. Sony has done some dumbass things in the past but they are not stupid enough to land a game at a price they know, no one will buy.

We can trust Sony when it comes to rumors (notrly) (1, Offtopic)

Celestial Avenger (826964) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762262)

This is just like how they denied claims their rootkit was harmful. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27416 [theinquirer.net]

Re:We can trust Sony when it comes to rumors (notr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14762674)

On topic, you fuckwit.

Launch titles (2, Insightful)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762267)

"if it means more launch titles"

If the hardware was finished, why the hell would you wait for launch titles? Isn't it better to have the system now with the games available and buy them as they are released? This way you have more time to play the best games.

I've never understood why someone would want to wait 6 more months to have 6 more games to play, when they could have been playing the first 10 already.

Re:Launch titles (1, Insightful)

Stachybotris (936861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762306)

Because if the only two PS3 titles available at the same time as the system are Madden Stat Update for the Current Season and GTA: Somewhere, I couldn't really give a crap. More launch titles means a greater chance of having at least one title for each genre, which translates into happier customers.

Also, how do you define 'best' games? What makes a game good is relatively independent of when it's released, be it at launch or three years later.

Re:Launch titles (3, Funny)

xerxesVII (707232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762371)

What makes a game good is relatively independent of when it's released, be it at launch or three years later.

That's so not true. Madden '03 sucks compared to this year's. Like, that one super awesome quarterback that plays for that team in that city, he's great. He wasn't in Madden '03 at all. It was like they just decided not to put this totally great guy in the game. So I say that if a game doesn't come out right now it sucks.

Re:Launch titles (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14762501)

Funny, mods! Funny! You'd get my mod points if I had them.

Re:Launch titles (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763384)

Um, well, let's see. First off, the 'best games' will certainly not be out at launch. Launch titles almost all suck. Always have, always will. There was not a PS2 title that interested me for at least 6 months. There isn't a single 360 game that looks good to me, and I doubt there will be for for the PS3.

So, my opinion, is why buy the system now and pay an extraordinary amount of money for a system with a very limited library of full-price games, when in a year the console will probably have a hundred bucks lopped off, more games, and the games that were at launch are probably $20 new.

Perhaps you just have more money to toss around than I do. :)

Why do people listen to "Analysts"? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14762273)

Why do people actually listen to market analysts?

For the most part, the ones that actually get any mention in the media are the ones that make the most outrageous and (typically) false claims. At this point in time the PS3 may be delayed but it would likely be a short delay of a couple of months (possibly a november launch rather than a september launch) and may cost more than people would expect ($450 rather than $350-$400) but there is no way that it is going to be delayed into 2007 and cost $900.

The truth is that most analysts have worse connections to people "in the know" than many slashdotters and have less understanding of the market than most slashdotters, so why do we even read articles that mention them; I'm certain that many people are in the same boat as me, and know people who work for large developers like EA and UBI soft, and have heard small bits of information which discredit all of these analysts estimates.

It is depressing that companies have to produce press conferences in order to deal with these wild claims.

Spring? Absolutely not. (4, Insightful)

UES (655257) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762417)

Is Sony's definition of Spring 2006 different than mine?

It's late February NOW. "Spring" probably means sometime between now and the end of June.

That's 19 weeks. So, sometime in the next 19 weeks, we would expect to see:

1. A complete list of launch titles.
2. Most, if not all launch titles not just in final version but manufactured and shipped.
3. Retailers to have full, detailed pricing information. Best Buy needs WEEKS of advance notice to print those Sunday Newspaper flyers.
4. Retailers to have PS3 sales spaces and media ready to go.
5. Complete PS3 specs and instruction manuals beyond some flack saying "uh, blue ray".
6. Teaser advertising beyond some Sony flack saying "any day now".
7. A full marketing and advertising press, including print, television, and web advertising. This needs to happen MONTHS before launch so that people will know this important product is coming soon.
8. Accessories not just announced but manufactured and shipped to retailers.
9. Preorders offered at major game retailers.

Any of this happening yet? Anyone think you'll be buying one of these in 8 weeks? 8 weeks from now is late April. Most people won't get the XBox 360s they ordered in DECEMBER until then.

Re:Spring? Absolutely not. (1)

Omnivorax (954787) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762490)

I predict a spring 2006 launch in the Australian market, in early- to mid-December.

Re:Spring? Absolutely not. (2, Interesting)

dubiousx99 (857639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762522)

Numbers 1, 3, 5, 6, and 7 will all be taken care of at E3 in May. The rest can easily be done in the month span after E3 and launch.

Re:Spring? Absolutely not. (2, Informative)

vsprintf (579676) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762586)

The Spring release is for Japan, which would follow the same pattern Sony used with the PS2: Spring in Japan, then October/November for North American and Europe in time for the Christmas spending frenzy.

I doubt that Best Buy will be involved or concerned for some months yet.

Spring only for Japan (1)

xswl0931 (562013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762612)

Everything they've said indicates that Spring is only for Japan. The US could see a summer or autumn launch. However, if there continues to be BluRay delays, that could delay the PS3 launch as well.

Re:Spring? Absolutely not. (1)

strider44 (650833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763894)

Oh sorry, the Sony guy just came back from holidays in Australia - huge misunderstanding there!

Subversion (3, Insightful)

Kamalot (674654) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762445)

Sony will keep leading on consumers with the PS3 like a carrot dangled in front of an ass. The only reason they keep insisting that the PS3 will be released in Spring is to prevent people from buying a 360.

The pulled the same shenanigans with the PS2, effectively killing the Dreamcast. They are trying it again.

Don't be a tool. Don't listen to Sony.

Re:Subversion (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762547)

Sony will keep leading on consumers with the PS3 like a carrot dangled in front of an ass.

Dude. If I saw a carrot dangling in front of an ass, my first reaction would be to not follow it!

Re:Subversion (4, Funny)

cxreg (44671) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762688)

"Don't listen to a corporation that is not truthful, manipulates the marketplace, and uses unfair competitive practices. Instead, buy from Microsoft!"

Re:Subversion (1)

British (51765) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763419)

The pulled the same shenanigans with the PS2, effectively killing the Dreamcast.

No, I'm sure the small library of craptacular games killed the Jaguar, um, I mean the Dreamcast.

Re:Subversion (1)

toiletsalmon (309546) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763612)

Yes. Shitty titles like:

Soul Calibur
Resident Evil
Shenmue
Dead or Alive 2
Bleem! (Gran Turismo, Metal Gear, Tekken 3)
Half-Life*
Jet Set Radio
Quake 3
Spiderman
Virtual Fighter
Legacy of Kane

Yeah. Just low budget shit.

There's not even that many decent REATIL titles available for the 360 yet.**

* Yeah, Half-Life was never officially released.
** Not including LIVE Arcade titles.

PS3 (3, Interesting)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762555)

"Any of this happening yet?"

Of course not. Sony has said 2 things recently in press released:
1) They will launch in Japan first and
2) They will not sell the console "at a loss."

This will push back a US release date till at LEAST late 3rd quarter, and push the release price most likely at about double the price of a $300 Xbox360.

Sony *needs* to pony up and strip out the Blu-Ray drive. They are trying to push their own media technology and its costing the average gamer hundreds of dollars. A 10gig dual layer DVD is enough for any game in this generation since Sony is not doing 1080p.

The USA is always behind Japan anyway... (1)

andrewski (113600) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762571)

We have almost always had video game boxes months or even a year after they get them in Japan. The story is the same with the games, of which we only seem to get 1/10th or less. Maybe Microsoft is forcing Japanese companies to reevaluate their release policies. It might be nice if Japan started putting the USA (their best customers!) a bit higher on the pegboard. This is the one good thing Microsoft has ever done, even if they didn't mean to.

IANAResidentOfJapan, but there's no way. (1)

psu_whammy (940612) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762634)

The fact that we're all still speculating over the price point of the console should immediately be three strikes against the possibility of a spring release anywhere. I haven't even seen a price in Yen anywhere to even extrapolate a U.S. price from.

No media buzz, no word of production, no finalized list of system specs... no console anytime soon.

PS3 will be so revolutionary.. (4, Funny)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762738)

Playstation 3 will change the very definition of "spring". The rebirth of each year's springtime will become a shallow metaphore for the huge sweeping cultural and artistic changes which PS3 will bring to humanity as a whole.

Re:PS3 will be so revolutionary.. (1)

Dward (24941) | more than 8 years ago | (#14762929)

Well, in the Sputhern Hemisphere spring doesn't start till September.
Maybe they are aiming for an Australian Launch.

Depends on how you define "delay" (2)

kingsmedley (796795) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763003)

From the summary:

Sony is flatly denying the delay

Then, quoting the article:

the company's only stated goal for the launch so far - namely that the console will appear in at least one territory, most likely Japan, this spring

Hmm... the PDF I read from Merrill Lynch's Joe Osha does NOT say Sony won't launch the PS3 in 2006. In fact it doesn't say when they will launch anything anywhere. He only speculates (and he is quite clear of this by using terms like "if" and "might" throughout the document) about how a possible delay might affect the industry, and how such a delay could both help and hinder Sony. Furthermore, his comments about a possible delay refer specifically to North America and Europe, which actually falls neatly in line with Sony's half-assed denial of a delay.

Funny how they can "flatly deny" his "allegations", and at the same time say nothing at all that clearly contradicts his speculative statements.

Hmmm...

Of course they're denying the delay... (3, Interesting)

Malor (3658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763007)

Of course they're denying the delay. Sony, if you'll remember, lies. They'll do anything to blunt momentum of the 360. If they keep people thinking that the PS3 is just around the corner, they'll hold out just a little longer. And as long as they don't release specs, people can fantasize.

They are NOT shipping in Spring. No way. Not happening. Blu-Ray isn't even finished yet. There's no specs, no launch titles, nothing but empty shells and promises. They need time to work out their manufacturing process and build up stock for the retailers, and you can't exactly go into full-scale production when you don't even have finalized hardware.

They could take a page from the NVidia and ATI playbooks and paper-launch it, I suppose, but that would be the worst of all possible outcomes.... people will finally be able to make an intelligent choice whether the 360 or the PS3 is better, and by then, the 360 is likely to actually be available.

If Microsoft can execute and get some really good, next-gen games out, they could build up some momentum. The games that are out now are, to my perception, competent but not very exciting. They have good graphics, but there's not much new, gameplay-wise. Kameo has some good moments, but it's too short, and Perfect Dark feels very unpolished and unfinished. Project Gotham Racing is probably the best game so far, and it's just not that much different from the old games... the graphics are great, sure, but that's about all there is to it. (I've heard CoD2 is very good on the 360, but I already have it on the PC and it seemed dumb to buy it again.)

The Fight Night demo looks promising, I love how there's no on-screen gauges, just two fighters in a ring. And Oblivion may be truly next-gen content... we'll have to see.

So far, the best game I've played on the 360 is the $5 Geometry Wars. A $400 console to play a $5 game... and it's the best game on the system. Nintendo may be on to something.....

Oh, and to the AC who called me a 'good liddle fanboy' for saying that Sony wouldn't ship in Spring the last time we had this conversation.... here's a big middle finger just for you.

Playstation 3 Questions (3, Insightful)

smackenzie (912024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763118)

So, which fanboys / experts / developers want to tackle the following discouraging issues that I have with the Sony Playstation 3? (And, no, I'm not a plant for Microsoft -- just trying to make sense of the whole Next Gen console thing.)

Drive Speed

A Blu-ray 1x drive transfer rate is 4.5 megabytes per second. A DVD 12x drive transfer rate is about 12 - 16 megabytes per second. Sony will have to release at least a 3x drive to compete with DVD 12x speeds. Will they? Or will they release a 2x drive and have a drive that is significantly slower than the XBOX 360? (The Blu-ray specification has indicated that a 1x blu-ray drive is too slow for HD video, so I'm assuming that this isn't an option...)

HDTV 1080p

A screen at 720p has (720 x 1280 =) 921, 600 pixels.
A screen at 1080p has (1080 x 1920 =) 2,073,600 pixels.

That is, 1080p requires 2.25x the general bandwidth of 720p. Does the Playstation 3 really have 2.25 the general bandwidth of an XBOX 360? Is anyone going to develop games for 1080p at the cost of 2.25 x "other things"?

Anti-Aliasing

XBOX 360 gets AA practically for free thanks to 10 MB embedded DRAM. Apparently, the Playstation 3 must do this in software with a performance hit. Does it matter?

Unified Memory

The Playstation 3 has 256 MB system RAM and 256 MB video RAM. The XBOX 360 has 512 MB unified memory. This means that a developer could use 128 MB system RAM and 384 MB of video RAM, which is 50% more video RAM than a Playstation 3 for holding textures, etc. Isn't that fairly substantial? Won't that allow for the possibility of better looking / higher detail games on the XBOX 360 if the system RAM isn't needed?

Re:Playstation 3 Questions (1)

smackenzie (912024) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763773)

I do realize this is a little off topic. Where is a good place for me to post these questions? (What made me think of them in relation to this thread was the disappointed regarding Sony schedule and price and then further disappointment in their denial.) Thanks!

Christmas (1)

Raenex (947668) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763493)

I'd be very surprised if Sony didn't have the PS3 out in the US in time for Christmas, even if it means rushing the product. Giving Microsoft a year head start is one thing. Giving them *two* Christmas seasons, the second presumably with their supply problem fixed, is too dangerous.

price (1)

diablo6683 (556085) | more than 8 years ago | (#14763701)

ok it will be on time. are they confirming that the price will be in the 900 dollar range however?

BOYCOTT SONY (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14763804)

It seems that Sony's latest Root kit project is right on schedule...
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