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Sony Admits PS3 Delay Possible

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the noooooo-reallllly dept.

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Next Generation reports that Sony has admitted there may be a delay in getting the PS3 to market. From the article: "Sony has told the media that the launch of the console will be delayed due to difficulties in finalizing the Blu-ray drive's specs. An unnamed spokesperson for Sony Computer Entertainment in Japan admitted that PlayStation 3 launch could be delayed. SCE said that if final specs were not finalised with the Blu-ray Disc development consortium, the launch of the console could be delayed." I would have rather they come out and admitted this last month, when everyone realized this was the case, instead of denying it and looking unrealistic.

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I have been saying 2007 (2, Insightful)

aka_big_wurm (757512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810124)

I have been saying 2007 in the US for the longest time, every day I am closer to being correct. Come on M$ show sony where they can put their Rootkit.

It's funny (1)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810771)

It is kind of amusing that most people here hate M$ SO much in the world ofthe computer, however in the relm of the console's, everyone is backing the giant evil.

Re:It's funny (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811012)

I'll just find it as worthy payback for how Sony marketed the PS2's Emotion Engine with inflated specs and hype, and killed the Dreamcast. Sega royally screwed up many things on their own, but the Dreamcast was their best work since the Genesis.

Dreamcast (1)

ganjadude (952775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811276)

I concur. Dreamcast was a great system, with great games. Virtua tennis is still one of my favorite tennis games. House of the dead 2, awesome.

Re:It's funny (1)

dohzer (867770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14812831)

If only the Dreamcast had "Sony" or "Playstation 2" written on it, it would have sold. Chu Chu Rocket still rocks at parties. EAT CAT!!!!1

Unfortunately (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14814279)

It is quite clear to me at this point that Slashdotters don't actually think in terms of good, or evil, or ethical, or unethical, or whether or not someone is having a positive or negative impact on the world around them.

All slashdotters think about is who they hate.

If the slashdotter hates Microsoft more than Apple, and we're talking about Apple, why, then Apple is good and Microsoft is evil.

But if the slashdotter hates Sony more than Microsoft, and we're talking about Sony, why, then Microsoft is good and Sony is evil.

This is a quite unfortunate way to look at the world; it means not only that the slashdotter consistently makes value judgements which do not benefit them in the long run, but also that the slashdotter is very easy to manipulate. If you are a company like Microsoft, and you find that there is a negative perception of you on Slashdot, all you have to do to change this is make slashdotters hate you less than somebody else. This is a goal you can achieve without having to change any of your business practices. All you have to do is perform acts the slashdotters love (for example, subsidising their video games to the tune of $4 billion), or call attention to some other company they hate more (for example, by months of PR hyping up a big confrontation with Sony). It won't matter if the things you're doing are toward good ends, or if you're any better of a corporate citizen than you were before, it won't even matter the details of the confrontation you've staged or who the confrontation is against. There is, for the moment, someone that slashdot hates more than you, and so suddenly you are "good" and they are "evil". It is as simple as that.

Unfortunately.

Always truth to rumors in videogame industry (3, Interesting)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810149)

In my time working in the videogame industry I've just learned to accept that there is always truth in rumors in this field. There are a lot of loose cannon's and always snubbed workers who tend to divulge info with minimal, if any, arm twisting.

Just from today's news you can plainly see that a decent compiler is just in the beginning stages by IBM for the Cell processor, and that delays are the truth... so a high price tag as was claimed can't be far off either. Both Sony and MS have dug themselves into pretty nice sized holes trying to outdo each other. Wars of attrition have no real winners.

Re:Always truth to rumors in videogame industry (4, Funny)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810204)

Wars of attrition have no real winners.

Though they do often lead to Revolutions;-)

Re:Always truth to rumors in videogame industry (1)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810410)

I wasn;t making my original comment out of devotion to the Revo, I know it may seem I am a fanboi, but I am far from it and in fact worked closely with Sony for years.

I'm personally interested in the Revo, and what it may offer, but it may turn out to be a flop... I don't think it will , but who knows.

Nintendo and Sega were on this same path for a long while until Sony and others stepped in. It put Sega out of business. I see Sony going the same way and focusing on PC's and PC gaming. They could corner that market if they wanted to with little trouble. While Microsoft is out playing in console land and continually losing their shirt, Sony could side swipe them big time.

I truly believe it is time for a revolution in gaming, I've seen and played enough FPS/Cliched RPG's/Sports/Racing/Thug Simulators for me and a small village.

Re:Always truth to rumors in videogame industry (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811030)

I wasn;t making my original comment out of devotion to the Revo,

I knew you weren't, I just really couldn't let an opportunity like that go by;-) Here's hoping that Nintendo's bid has the effect I think most of us are quietly hoping it does. It certainly seems like the potential is there.

Re:Always truth to rumors in videogame industry (1)

AgentDib (931969) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810505)

The winner is the consumer.

A lot of people like to pick a particular console and then rail against the rest, but the truth is that gamers should be rooting for all three companies. I have a 360 that I am perfectly happy with and I probably won't buy a Revolution. However, I still hope that the Revolution is a smash hit and opens up an entire genre of next generation games. The benefits to me would be enormous as Sony and MS would have to make a lot of concessions to compete.

No matter what you think about the Xbox or the PS2, the PS3 delay is a disappointing move for consumers. Even die-hard Xbox fans should realize that this could very well mean a delay in the price drop of the Xbox 360 as well, and definitely a little less pushing to get the next wave of titles out before the PS2 launches.

Re:Always truth to rumors in videogame industry (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811742)

The issue is that gamers don't see the problems a monopoly causes. Take the NES. While Nintendo did their best to keep violence on the system low (though there was still a LOT of it left) there was still no shortage of games. Less competing consoles simply mean less money to spend on hardware in order to have access to all games.

Re:Always truth to rumors in videogame industry (1)

rAiNsT0rm (877553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811777)

Absolutely correct. Unfortunately the average consumer is not able to see past clever marketer's and hype machines. Not just in videogames either, brand loyalty is a silly thing in any market. What has being a loyal customer ever got you? You don't get a discount on your Xbox at EB because you put down everyone with a PS2/GC.

Mostly brand loyalty and "fanboys" stem from the inability to *afford* multiple systems, so you have to prove to yourself and justify that your choice was the best. The folks with all three systems have no loyalty and easily can tell you the top games from each system.

I think innovation and a wide target market at a reasonable pricepoint is what is in demand right now, and Nintendo is the only company in that market. I personally will only be buying a Revolution, not out of fanaticism but out of a total lack of interest in the 360/PS3. Now if a few must haves come out on either of those systems, I'll eventually own one or both of them too.

Re:Always truth to rumors in videogame industry (1)

mildness (579534) | more than 8 years ago | (#14814339)

Wars of attrition have no real winners.

US vs. USSR = US!

IE vs. Netscape = IE!

You get the point.

Bill

Firmware? (1)

stuffman64 (208233) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810172)

If I were in Sony's shoes, I would just go ahead and release the console with a partially-functional Blu-Ray drive (i.e., able to read the game discs and regular DVDs), and once the specs are finalized, update the drive with new firmware. They'd have to slap a sticker on saying that it will not play Blu-Ray out-of-the-box until new software is available (and if they were kind, they'd do it free of charge either by mailing out discs or downloading it via their online thingamabober). Sure, it'd be a minor inconvenience, but then again, how many Blu-Ray titles are expected by the end of the year?

Re:Firmware? (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810693)

Wont happen for the simple fact that it can be hacked by modders in the future. Chances are, it will be in the form of ROM only.

I doubt they're even capable of launching it (2, Informative)

mozumder (178398) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810190)

With the estimated costs at $900 to manufacture, the PS3 is a non-launch.

First, they screw up by trying to use the Cell processor for the GPU, and having to backtrack and go with a standard NVidia GPU instead (1-2 year delay), and now they're screwing up by trying to use Blu-Ray (another 1 year delay).

Sorry Sony, this product isn't going to launch anywhere this year. Microsoft wins. By the time PS3 launches at the end of 2007, Microsoft will probably be on their second generation of Xbox360 hardware, at a lower price point, with big A List titles to go with it.

Blogs have eaten your brain (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14810596)

costs at $900 to manufacture [e-mpire.com] the PS3 is a non-launch they screw up by trying to use the Cell processor for the GPU, and having to backtrack and go with a standard NVidia GPU instead (1-2 year delay), and now they're screwing up by trying to use Blu-Ray (another 1 year delay) this product isn't going to launch anywhere this year. Microsoft wins. By the time PS3 launches at the end of 2007, Microsoft will probably be on their second generation of Xbox360 hardware, at a lower price point, with big A List titles to go with it.
But if you believe a single word of that, you'd also have to believe that elvis is alive, aliens exist, and the Rapture is coming when Iran switches over to the Euro standard.

So clearly the PS3 is going to win the next-gen console wars. Stolen alien time travel technology will allow them to release the console two years ahead of schedule, an endorsement campaign by Elvis will make the PS3 into the most recognized product on the planet, and the world will end when Jesus returns on March 20 2006-- coincidentally the day Oblivion comes out, which means the XBox 360's first great title will never even get a chance to be released. Cogito ergo sum, QED.

Re:I doubt they're even capable of launching it (1)

rabbot (740825) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810627)

If Microsoft "wins" with the XBox 2 then we pretty much "lose". The Xbox 2 and PS 3 are making no steps towards moving gaming forward. I'm glad Nintendo is still keeping things going while Sony and MS dig their own graves.

(Nice shiney high def graves with overpriced caskets)

100% False (1, Interesting)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810871)

Okay, how in god's name did the parent get modded up? All his points were proven to be false in previous article's comments on slashdot.

His first point was proven false by myself and a few others. The ps3 does not cost $900 to manufacture. I'd rather not repeat what's been said so many times so here's a link as to why:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=177857&cid=147 53299 [slashdot.org]

In addition to whats in that link, IBM has recently stated that they've gotten costs of fabbing the Cell for ps3 down to $75 per chip (the ML article estimated a cost of $250 per chip). It should get cheaper over time. The rest of the hardware information and manufacturing is talked about in the link.

Third, I'm not sure how the nvidia chip was in anyway an afterthought. The very first mention of the ps3 that I know of as a full hardware unit included the nvidia chip. They learned that they had no choice but to have a separate graphics chip during the design of the ps2.

The one thing most of us did not doubt was the delay in japan. Most industry insiders felt that the console would probably be delayed 2-3 months. Or as some developer mentioned, a "very hot spring." Signfying that it would be closer to a summer date then the spring date sony has been touting.

The U.S. release will be in November which will be perfect for the thanksgiving -> Christmas buying season.

Re:100% False (2, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811084)

Nice link! I mean, damn, in that previous comment you basically say "I don't think it will cost that much" and then proceed to explain why using no concrete examples, no information about actual costs of the new hardware (just a few WAGs about costs of current hardware) and, best of all, no links to any solid information...and you managed to turn that into another "informative" point of karma. Well done!

Re:100% False (2, Informative)

sehryan (412731) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811158)

How exactly is this reply, or the one you point to, any less conjecture than the one's that say the system will cost $900? You provide no references for your own numbers, much like the parent you are replying to.

Pot, meet kettle.

Re:100% False (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14811629)

In addition to what the two other posters have pointed out, you are aware that the analysts who said that it will cost $900 almost certainly have bothered to do the research you didn't?

When industry analysts expect something to cost about $900, you can be pretty sure that it will cost about $900.

Given the rather massive list of bleeding-edge features the PS3 is supposed to have, I think the $900 figure is about right. You've got a hard drive, an unproven media drive, an 802.11b/Ethernet adapter, wireless controllers, a brand new chip, and more.

Face it, you may be a Sony fanboi and believe Sony can pull this off for less than $900, but the people who have done their homework are saying it'll cost $900. I, for one, tend to believe them. They do this for a living. They know what they're talking about.

And I'd be very surprised if the PS3 was released in the US in time for Christmas. I expect we'll be seeing it some time in Q1 2007 at this rate, at around $800. Of course, I'm using the same methods to determine that information that you are ("pulling it out of my ass") so it may not be completely accurate...

Re:100% False (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811865)

Remember the 450$ pricetag on the PSP?

Given the rather massive list of bleeding-edge features the PS3 is supposed to have, I think the $900 figure is about right. You've got a hard drive, an unproven media drive, an 802.11b/Ethernet adapter, wireless controllers, a brand new chip, and more.

There is no harddrive in the PS3, at least the analysts believe there isn't. The unproven media drive is mostly made in-house at Sony and in large numbers. The WiFi and Ethernet are dirt cheap, not even worth mentioning. The brand new chip costs 75$ to make currently (according to IBM but of course IBM can't be right because the analysts say it's 230$ and the analysts are always right). The "more" that's left is pretty much a mainboard, a GPU that those analysts estimate at 80$ and a bluetooth module.

Never mind that the analyst's cost breakdown didn't even add up to 900$ and they somehow believe that you can repair die errors if they happen in memory sections.

Re:100% False (1)

tealover (187148) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811998)

You sound desperate.

Even if IBM did say the chip cost $75, that doesn't factor the cost of the entire fab process. Those costs in the billions were paid upfront by IBM, Toshiba and yes...Sony.

It's disengenuous to suggest that the current MSRP has any bearing into a product's cost. Sony will be able to amortize its costs OVER TIME....but they have already paid for the materials and production for the first batch of processors.

Re:100% False (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14812113)

You sound desperate.

Drunk, maybe. Desperate, no way. I don't give a fuck what happens to Sony next gen but I think it's stupid to keep repeating such an obviously idiotic report as if it was the absolute truth.

Even if IBM did say the chip cost $75, that doesn't factor the cost of the entire fab process. Those costs in the billions were paid upfront by IBM, Toshiba and yes...Sony.

Sony expects to make 100 million units (whether they do that is another question but if they expect that's what they will use for calculations) solely for the PS3. That means... 230-75=155$ per unit in R&D => 15.5 billion $ in R&D spent to make the Cell (if IBM doesn't calculate that in already). I'm pretty sure the thing didn't cost that much. So that doesn't explain the cost difference between IBM's statement and the analyst report.

Re:100% False (1)

tealover (187148) | more than 8 years ago | (#14812212)

Sony expects to make 100 million units...That means... 230-75=155$ per unit in R&D => 15.5 billion $ in R&D spent to make the Cell

Huh? What ?!?

I don't think $230 is an outrageous figure for a chip that has been very complex to design and build. Initial prices have to reflect the costs that have gone into the entire process. And let's not forget, the Cell chip is not Sony's baby by itself, it cannot unilaterally set chip prices. They have to be agreed upon with IBM and Toshiba. And I'm sure they want to recoup their investments as well.

Face it, there's no way the chip costs $75. If it does, the console could retail for $199.

Re:100% False (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14813765)

Ibm states that it cost $75 to manufactor and as you may or may not know, sony is setting up their own factory(from what i remember) for it. Because of that, sony basically gotta price it 75 + a premium to cover factory and r&d cost which is fixed amount. Personally, i would think a price range of 125-175 would cover r&d cost and factory cost. Remember, sony was an active partner in the development of the cell proc as they definitely paid for part of its research, ibm got to research the chip for less while sony got the benifit of using the proc. Also do not forget that sony does not need to make a direct profit initially. As such, I think the so called analyst are simply overlooking many variables. Sony could simply sell the consol initial at cost and use the game license money to cover r&d cost and as time goes on, it will become cheaper to produce the consol increasing hte profit margin. 900 is rediculous (that number isn't even correct as one later restated me ment to say 800 which doesn't inspire confidence to me)

Re:100% False (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14811925)

His first point was proven false by myself and a few others. The ps3 does not cost $900 to manufacture. I'd rather not repeat what's been said so many times so here's a link as to why: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=177857&cid=147 [slashdot.org] 53299

What is the world coming to when we cite Slashdot posts as proof?

Excuse me while I try to slide back to my own dimension

Re:100% False (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14812918)

fabbing the Cell for ps3 down to $75 per chip (the ML article estimated a cost of $250 per chip)

$75 per chip, but only 1 out of 3 of them work. Thus about $225, but did you think cooling and connecting the thing would be free?

Re:100% False (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815355)

That's incorrect, the Nvidia chip was not initially a part of the PS3 as Sony thought it could pull 3d graphics on its own with the Cell processor. I don't have a reference for this but I know Sony realized 3d graphics weren't that easy and the Cell wasn't up to snuff, so they needed outside help fast.

Enough! (2, Insightful)

dead nancy (239321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810263)

I'm getting dizzy.

DN

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September PS3 Launch, Online Service
On February 15th, 2006

PlayStation 3 Delayed, Over $800?
On February 18th, 2006

Sony Denies PS3 Delay
On February 20th, 2006

PlayStation 3 Not So Much Delayed?
On February 24th, 2006

Sony Admits PS3 Delay Possible
On February 27th, 2006

Re:Enough! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14810377)

I may be an accountless AC, but I agree wholeheartedly. Just because the gaming media is going back and forth with articles about how the Xbox 360 is the great Satan and the PS3 is going to be delayed indefinitely and will require a downpayment, doesn't mean we need to read about it ad nauseum here.

Surely there are more interesting stories? There isn't room for article-free discussions about other topics either?

Re:Enough! (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810603)

The funny thing is that most of those all said the same thing... "May delay in Japan, no delay in North America"...

Nobody actually reads the details though... Hell, most of the sites parroting the statement didn't bother to include all the information.

Re:Enough! (1)

rrdm2k (932657) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811148)

People were complaining of being sick of 360 news when it actually launched.

I'm sick of PS3 news and it's not even launching for months!

Release Now, Patch Later? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810337)

Why not just release it now/ontime without the Blu-Ray movie player functionality, and offer a free patch when that stuff gets finalized and update the firmware turning that feature back on? Why would that be so hard?

The DVD player part for the origional PS2 required a driver loaded off the memory card. How would this be any different?

Unless that isn't the real problem they are having and it just makes a convenient scape-goat.

Either way, from what I've seen (and I believe), the US launch date is unchanged (probably November) and if anything gets pushed back it is the Japanese launch date (the problem would be straightened out by the time the console was supposed to get to us in the US).

Re:Release Now, Patch Later? (1)

jchenx (267053) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810565)

I agree that it's just a scape-goat for Sony, since there are probably several other issues that they need to address (like Cell manufacturing, trying to get costs down, developing their own online service, etc.). It's much easier to point the finger and blame a separate consortium for your problems instead of your own internal teams.

That said, I don't think it's a good idea at all to ship a non-working Blu-ray player out of the box. While I agree that there aren't going to be very many actual Blu-ray movies released this year, the public outcry is going to be huge. How dare Sony release something that they know is broken in 100% of all boxes! I wouldn't be surprised if a few lawsuits popped up because of this, even if Sony did put strong messaging that the Blu-ray wasn't functional.

Funny thing is that releasing unfinished hardware and software is unfortunately quite common. Most PC games now require a patch before the box even hits shelves. The cell phone that I bought a few months ago was shipped with several features disabled, until a recent firmware update enabled them. And so on. However, the gaming community is particularly vocal and strangely partisan to specific companies (the "fanboi factor"), so it's not something that Sony can just do lightly with the PS3.

Re:Release Now, Patch Later? (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810911)

The DVD player part for the origional PS2 required a driver loaded off the memory card. How would this be any different?

No, only the remote Sony released required this. If you used the PS2 controller, you didn't even need to have a memory card for playing DVDs. Your idea of releasing now, and upgrading later is intriguing though. :)

Re:Release Now, Patch Later? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811465)

No, you misunderstand. The US versions had the driver built in. The US version only needed a driver for the remote.

But the very first PS2s shipped in Japan did NOT have the DVD driver installed in the ROM. You HAD TO HAVE A MEMORY CARD to play a DVD (with the controller, the remote wasn't released until later). They put the driver in ROM with a later revision, but the first PS2s that were sold (which were only sold in Japan) needed that driver to play DVDs.

Re:Release Now, Patch Later? (1)

PygmySurfer (442860) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816426)

Ahh, that is something I'm not aware of. I've a first gen North American PS2, wgucg works without the driver.

Eh (1)

sehryan (412731) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810338)

Not to be bitter, but I put this story in on Tuesday, when the news release was announced.

I found this admision by Sony pretty ironic, seeing as how it came on the exact same day that Sony denied that the PS3 would be delayed. Deny in the morning, admit in the afternoon. I wonder if left hand knows what right hand is doing.

The Wisdom of Kutaragi (1)

fahrvergnugen (228539) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810349)

Nonsense! It will launch on-time, have supercomputer calculation capabilites for home entertainment, and will instill discipline in our children and adults alike. Everyone will know discipline! To get a PS3, we will work more hours to buy one [ps3today.com] .

We must be careful, though, lest skynet become self-aware. If processors of high performance and wide bandwidth like the Cell were linked together without sufficient security, a worldwide system crash could occur with one attack!

Seriously though, the day I got home and found out my PS2 games looked worse than my Dreamcast games (after waiting all night in the rain to get one, no less) was bitter indeed. Don't believe a single thing Sony says about their hardware. It's all lies.

Re:The Wisdom of Kutaragi (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#14817789)

I hear that it can render 10 billion copies of Toy Story in real-time simultaneously. And has anyone thought about the dangers of Iran getting hold of these things for use in their nuclear program?

-Eric

Bye bye Christmas Launch... (1)

ShyGuy91284 (701108) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810384)

I've always hated it when companies miss Christmas. Final Fantasy X is the biggest example (Came out like a week after Christmas as I recall in a surprise release) I can think of, but I think there were other situations too. I know they are working there hardest to get this thing out ASAP, but Christmas launch seasons are perhaps the most important time, considering for anyone under 13 (without a part-time job), that is the only way they will get one (although current prices could effect that trend). Other then loosing time to the XBox 360 though, perhaps this will benefit them, by allowing them to have a fully-polished (publicly tested) and price-reduced console ready for Christmas 07 once it has been out for half a year.... No overheating power bricks.... No ability to run pirated stuff using a glitch.... Not having to tip it upside-down in it's old age to get it to work....

Re:Bye bye Christmas Launch... (1)

Anulith (826464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810927)

FFX was released on 12-18-01 [rpgamer.com]

Re:Bye bye Christmas Launch... (1)

ShyGuy91284 (701108) | more than 8 years ago | (#14812270)

Ah. So I'll be damned. I guess the availability in some stores (the kind that take a week or so to actually get games out after there release date (Walmart)) made me think otherwise....

While this might.... (1)

Tebriel (192168) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810392)

This will defintely affect the Japanese launch date. I'd be surprised if this affected the US date, though. The gap between the two is large enough that it seems to me that the latter wouldn't be impacted.

Seems more likely they're talking *about* the U.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14810725)

It seems more likely to me they're talking about the U.S. only-- a spring launch for the PS3 is actually realistic in Japan, but it isn't realistic in America and never was. Sony's Japanese third parties are closer to be ready to launch than in America; Japanese consumers are more willing to put up with bleeding edge hardware and a paltry launch library from Sony; Japan requires less manufacturing runup than the U.S. will. Launching in spring in America, though? Rediculous, and Sony should never have promised that.

I think when GDC comes next month, Sony will announce a late spring launch for the PS3 in Japan, a fall launch for America, and a early 2007 launch for Europe. This would more or less exactly match the launch calendar they used for the PSP...

Astroturfing, Nintendo out of left field! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14810516)

This thread is going to be filled with astroturfing, so be ready for it. Take comments with a grain of salt.

My perspective? Nintendo will come out and smack everyone. Ive got tons of "hardcore gamer" friends and none of them have an xbox360. Minimal interest in the xbox360 and ps3. Both are just rehashes of older consoles. Nothing really new. The same games weve been playing for 5 years, just shinier.

Nintendo is offering something totally new. Its a risky play, but based on how well the DS is doing these days? I'd say the revolution w/ its new interface is a sure thing. The nintendo emulation abilities will cinch it for a lot of people who have been "out of" videogames for a while. So, with it being both the cheapest and offering games that are actually new, unique, and original.. as well as all of their consistently good classics on one console, will bring nintendo back into the headline.

Sure, sony and MS will still be around, Sony carried by squaresoft and final fantasy, and MS by halo, but nintendo will probably dominate this next round. But that domination will be heavily played down.

Ive also heard a rumor that the Rev controller will have a mic on it.

Re:Astroturfing, Nintendo out of left field! (1)

Kredal (566494) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811541)

When you said "This thread is going to be filled with astroturfing", you specifically meant your comment, right?

Ya, that's what I thought.

Hardcore gamers (1)

r_benchley (658776) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811933)

Ive got tons of "hardcore gamer" friends and none of them have an xbox360. Minimal interest in the xbox360 and ps3. Both are just rehashes of older consoles. Nothing really new. The same games weve been playing for 5 years, just shinier.
The "hardcore gamer" is a very small segment of the game market. Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo certainly would be pleased if the hardcore gamers embraced their respective consoles, but they're going to be concentrating on designing and marketing the consoles to meet the demands of what they see as their core audiences. The hardcore gamer might shuck out big dollars for Panzer Dragoon Saga, Valkyrie Profile, or some dating sim that was only released in Japan, but the Big Three are going to be concerned with mass market appeal. Sony will want to make sure that gamers can play EA sports games, Square-Enix RPGs, Gran Turismo and Grand Theft Auto. Microsoft will make sure that they have a Halo follow-up, some nice conversions of PC titles, and the same EA sports games that Sony has. Nintendo will make serious coin with their stable of incredible properties like Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Metroid and Pokemon. They're the Disney of the gaming world with IP that appeals to children and nostalgic adults. It's very cool when you see a video game maker do something cool and different, but it usually doesn't translate to market dominance. Seaman was an interesting new idea in what you could do with a video game, but it didn't save the poor Dreamcast. Sega and Microsoft's online services were well implemented, but it didn't save either of them from being whipped like a red-headed stepchild by the PS2. Speaking personally, I'm a hardcore gamer and have owned every console since the NES, except for Microsoft's consoles. I will be purchasing both a PS3 and a Revolution, and expect to enjoy them both for their individual strengths, but I really doubt that Nintendo's new controller will spark a new paradigm shift. It will be a nifty new thing for the hardcore game to enjoy, but the odds of the new controller allowing Nintendo to retake the console crown is slim. Quality and innovation don't always lead to profit or marketshare. Blade Runner was a brilliant movie, but it did poorly at the box office. Same with Donnie Darko. The new Star Wars movies sucked ass, but George Lucas' accountants would beg to differ. OS X and Linux are arguably superior to Windows, but they're at both around 5% of the market with Windows cleaning up the remaining 90%.

Re:Hardcore gamers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14812522)

Donnie Darko is emo, except worse.

Re:Astroturfing, Nintendo out of left field! (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 8 years ago | (#14813364)

Ive also heard a rumor that the Rev controller will have a mic on it.

I've heard it will have a camera on it so you can all film yourself jerking off over the new Mario. It will truly be a "revolution" in human-computer interaction.

Bad News for Sony, good for Nintendo (1)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810600)

This has to be good news for Nintendo. With the low sales (due either to low demand, low supply, or both) of the XBox 360, Nintendo's main competition in this year's console release war is the PS3. With Sony delaying it, this give's Nintendo some breathing room. We know that the console will be cheaper than either the PS3 or the 360, so they already have that in the bag. With the weight of the PS3 release off of Nintendo's shoulders, they can give whatever AAA launch titles they have planned some more polish time if need be, and have them come out a week or two after the Revolution does.

Of course, this is assuming that the NRV and PS3 were scheduled for about the same time; if the PS3 was scheduled for an early summer launch, and the NRV for a mid-fall, this delay may push the PS3 into the same release week as the NRV, which actually puts more pressure on Nintendo.

Still, I'm sure that the Nintendo execs are smiling a bit.

Worst news for developers (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810719)

After all, how would you like to make a game where you're not even sure of the finalized specs of the media you're intended to store it on?

Re:Worst news for developers (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810779)

The only thing the game developer needs to worry about is capacity. I don't think that any of the details currently being discussed will have any effect on the game developer.

Re:Worst news for developers (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810801)

Sure it will, if they have to worry about read speeds and what not. I'd like to hope that at least one developer is going to try for streaming levels off the disk to remove or reduce load times. Kind of hard to optimize your game based on non-specs.

Re:Worst news for developers (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14812063)

I'd bet that developers know what is still being finalized and what range those stats will fall between. If they know that the BD consortium are arguing over whether the read speeds should be X or Y then the developer will assume the lower of the two and go off of that. Sure, in the end it may not be the ultimate in optimization but what early release game is?

The obvious delay (1)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810606)

This is sort of the obvious, useless delay. I don't think anyone expected the console to arrive in April or May. However, the article mentions a "U.S. delay until 2007" which is sourced from an analyst, not a Sony source. So this doesn't mean it's delayed for the U.S. at all, since we never expected to get it until fall anyway.

And it's NOT going to cost $800.

Better then just dropping Blu-ray (1)

TheSkepticalOptimist (898384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810732)

And then adding it later on, like what Microsoft did with HD-DVD on the Xbox360.

I mean, I would be pissed off if I bought a game console that was supposed to support some feature, it was excluded so that it could be shotgunned to the stores before Christmas full of flaws, and then 6 - 12 months later the company comes out with a revised game console that not only includes the system with the new feature for a cheaper price but also fixes a slew of problems they found in the system. Oh, if you want that new feature not only did you pay too much to get the console in the first place but you actually have to pay extra for the expansion hardware to support the new feature.

Anyways, I would rather Sony wait until they finalized blu-ray spec's before releasing the PS3. I don't want to buy a beta game console like what every current Xbox360 owner has.

Re:Better then just dropping Blu-ray (1)

E-Rock (84950) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811544)

Uh, maybe MS left the HD-DVD off the Xbox360 because it's expensive and no one wants one. Just like no one wants a blu-ray player. It's not needed for the games, and I don't think there's really a market for the 'next gen' DVD.

I like my 360, but there's no way I'd have paid even $100 more for a DVD player in a format that doens't exist yet (the encryption scheme is still awaiting confirmation) that has DRM-only content and negligable (I have 720p, but the 480p DVDs are just fine with me) quality improvements.

Re:Better then just dropping Blu-ray (1)

User_21937 (957668) | more than 8 years ago | (#14813174)

The HD-DVD peripheral will be for watching movies only, and it will be an add-on. The Xbox360 will only ever have the DVD-9 as the game reader, from what i've read.

Halo 3 (1)

Hoyceman (452009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14810738)

As Microsoft has alluded Halo 3 will come out at the same time as the PS3, I hope Sony delays the PS3 as long as possible. Maybe then Bungie will have enough development time to deliver a completed storyline in this game.

Re:Halo 3 (1)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811173)

Actually, Bill Gates backed off on the Halo 3 threat saying instead that Halo 3 would come out when Bungie was ready to release it. But if the PS3 delays become long enough, then Halo 3 might just come back into play as far as launch competition is concerned.

Fantastic! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14811035)

I hate to be hilarious here, but a PS3 release date delay is just what my graduate student pocketbook needed. Thanks Sony!

It's part of Sony's cunning plan! (1)

payndz (589033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811083)

By delaying the PS3, they cleverly make the Xbox 360 not a 'next-generation' machine, but a 'last-and-a-halfth generation' machine - ie, the new Dreamcast. See, they know what they're doing!

You watch, they'll pull an Apple and announce before launch that they've 'just realised' they can upgrade the CPU speed for no extra cost and thus make the machine more powerful, leaving that Microsoft thing in the dust... ;)

Sony finally gets on the bandwagon... (1)

jdcool88 (954991) | more than 8 years ago | (#14811259)

Rumors on the internet: "Sony will delay PS3."
Sony: "No, PS3 will launch in spring 2006."
Merril Lynch: "Sony will delay PS3."
Sony: "No, PS3 will launch in spring 2006."
More internet sources: "Sony will delay PS3."
Sony: "No, PS3 will launch in spring 2006."
Everyone else: "JUST ADMIT IT!!!"
Sony: "We will delay launching the PS3."

Wowee, what a surprise!

Next gen comment capsule? (Slightly Offtopic) (1)

rrdm2k (932657) | more than 8 years ago | (#14812090)

Since everyone and their mother has a view on when the PS3 will launch, how much it will cost (retail and component-wise), and how the revolution will wipe everyone else off the map, I propose that we create a next gen comment time capsule.

The capsule would contain a record of comments and predictions on the next generation games consoles from slashdot users. This capsule will be sealed, buried in the ground and then only dug up and opened on four specific dates:

1) and 2) Launch of the PS3/Revolution. Then we can see if our predictions of Sony and Nintendo's prices and launch features were correct.

3) The announcement of the next "next-gen" consoles. Our comments will tell our future selves and future slashdotters not to repeat the mistakes of our past by believing (or disbelieving) the marketing hype.

4) The end of the 360/PS3/Revolution generation. Only on this date will we know whether our predictions were correct or not.

If this plan were to be carried out then maybe we could all stop guessing about the next gen and actually enjoy the lower prices and good games of this current generation.

I do not envy Sony (1)

Mursk (928595) | more than 8 years ago | (#14812123)

Sony has now promised A LOT, and have promised it SOON. This 'possible delay' will probably be only the first of many.

As somewhat of a PS fanboy, I hope that they are able to pull it all together and release a good product in some reasonable amount of time... but I wouldn't want to be in their shoes.

Crazy thought... (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14814779)

I know this doesn't make a whole lot of sense but I thought it'd be interesting if some in the consortium behind blu-ray are arguing and forcing the blu-ray back because they don't like how Sony's planning to sell an early drive (the PS3) for such a low price. Of course, this would be dumb financially because it would hurt them, too, but some people can just be spiteful and when hurt want to hurt back (even if it will hurt them, too).

Alternative reasons (1)

AzraelKans (697974) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819592)

Maybe is just me, but I think a possible reason is also the competition (xbox 360) Think about it, if the PS3 was released in spring at around $600-$700 bucks and just some launch titles (not even MGS4 AFAIK) while the xbox 360 is sitting in the shelf at $300-$400 (half the price) even devoted fans could start to consider the cheap alternative, MS is also aparently holding their Killer titles for that exact moment (Halo 3, gears of war, 99 nights, Enchant arm, blue dragon, lost planet, dead rising) those could do a nice dent even in Japan.

You also have to consider the PS3 right now is totally over hyped, some people still expect the console games to look like Killzone 2 or motorstorm they are set to be completely dissapointed with the actual games (that look A LOT like xbox 360 titles specially those from EA, SEGA and Ubisoft) They need to "de-hype" fans, show them what the games actually look like and convince them they are still cool and worth the cash nonetheless. (thats going to take time and franchise use)
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