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VMware's Ultimate Virtual Appliance Challenge

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the get-rich-quick-schemes dept.

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Natales writes "VMware has announced that they will be supplying $200,000 in prizes for what they call The Ultimate Virtual Appliance Challenge. Big industry names such as Tim O'Reilly and Mark Shuttleworth are among the judges." From the article: "Using open source or freely distributable components and/or your own code, create the most inventive and useful virtual appliance and win the $100,000 first prize! The Challenge is open to anyone worldwide and will be judged by a panel of industry experts with input from the community."

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obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14814994)

windows install with solitaire, for users switching to linux

Re:obviously (1)

aurb (674003) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815139)

...Or windows install with solitaire, for users switching _from_ linux.

Re:obviously (1)

HaydnH (877214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815226)

Hmmmm did you rtfa? Or even the blurb? The appliance must run on only freely distributable software. I know there are plenty of copies of windows on p2p networks - but that's still not freely distributable!

Dibs! (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | more than 8 years ago | (#14814995)

I call dibs on the first virtual toaster.

Mmmmm, PB&J. :)

So send in something that runs under Xen (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815001)

There's nothing in the rules that says the thing has to run under VMware. So send in something that runs under Xen.

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (2, Informative)

Negatyfus (602326) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815024)

From a link in the article:

Q: What is a Virtual Appliance?
A: A Virtual Appliance is similar to a 'traditional' Computing Appliance and is designed with a specific function in mind. The major difference is that instead of being built on a physical computing device, a Virtual Appliance is built using virtual machine and can be run on VMware Player, VMware Workstation, VMware Server, or VMware ESX Server.

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (1)

tinkertim (918832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815280)

My take :

Dear Open Source :

Please, please please start developing as much for us as you do for Xen. We spent heaps of money developing what we have and we aren't making enough back.

Xen 3 really took a chunk out of our market and is gaining more and more support. We don't care about Xen's market share as much as we care that open source developers aren't building more things around us.

So we're gonna blow mostly everything on a big fat first prize in a vanity contest and alienate Xen folks even more, rather than spending 200k on rallying you guys to help educators make our projects part of their curriculum and put our technology to work for those who could most benefit from its use.

While we really do want to do something useful and fun, we can't break with the current commercial idiocy model and our owner would get really teased to death playing golf if we did. We hope you understand."

Hogwash, Baloney and hossenfefer. It takes more than 100k to lure me away from Xen. Adjust your contest to include me and I might get excited.

Thanks for the blueballs, VMWare.

Off my soapbox.

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815339)

sorry perhaps this is not the place for my question, but I am just curious how I can get this Xen. I am a real newbie running Suse 10.something, and I was trying to run windows using this Xen (I need it to run things like Origin and EndNote). I got so far as realizing that I need Xen-enabled kernel, but I really cannot find any step-by-step howtoos. Most of the stuff on google is either generic chat, or snippets of code I am not able to comprehend?

Anybody knows of a good guide? Preferably not asking me to guess the interrups, or disk cyllinders, or symbol loading locations, and stuff like that?

Thanks much.

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (1)

Keruo (771880) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815396)

from XEN wiki:
1.4. Does Xen support Microsoft Windows? Unfortunately we do not currently support Windows; the paravirtualized approach we use to get such high performance has not been usable directly for Windows to date. However recently announced hardware support from Intel and AMD will allow us to transparently support Windows XP & 2003 Server in the near future. We are working on this and intend to have support available by the time the new processors are available.
So, you'll probably need dual core to run it..

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (1)

mjuarez (12463) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815452)

So, you'll probably need dual core to run it..

Not really. What the XEN wiki is talking about is the virtualization technologies embedded in future processors. This technology is code-named "Vanderpool" for Intel processors, and "Pacifica" for AMD ones. In theory, the first processors with these capabilities will have hardware-level mechanisms to isolate, and work with, several virtual machines running simultaneously. In theory, this will also make them run much faster than is possible today (especially in Xen's case).

Marcos

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (1)

DShard (159067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816263)

Just to note, you cannot purchase any x86 kit with virtualisation at this point. It will be at least the end of the year before this is available to consumers.

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (1)

oringo (848629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816704)

The grandparent is right. These CPU's equipped with Vanderpool or Pacifica are likely to be the new dual-core CPU's. You are also wrong that the virtualization technology is in Xen's favor. It is not. Rather, it's designed to help VMware, whose performance is lower than Xen because the way hardware devices are virtualized in VMware.

I don't understand at all (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816750)

If you're building an appliance, you control all the code and OSes that go on it, what possible reason would you have for running VMWare? If you need windows code, you just run windows. If you need to run windows and linux code on the same box you're probably doing your development wrong! I mean, maybe you want a windows GUI to run a config program for a unix based system... why not just port your unix stuff to windows? Why not make your GUI web-based? Seriously, I can't think of a single reason to ever do something like this.

Re:I don't understand at all (1)

visualight (468005) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816869)

Virtualization facilitates a read only, tamper proof OS, and this comes in handy when you want a "trusted" system that supports DRM. I expect this is why Intel and Microsoft are contributing so much money to the open source Xen project.

http://www.research.ibm.com/secure_systems_departm ent/projects/hypervisor/ [ibm.com]

It's ironic that an open source project is helping make closed systems more closed.

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815072)

The rules also don't say they aren't allowed to automatically reject smartasses.....

Re:So send in something that runs under Xen (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815525)

There's nothing in the rules that says the thing has to run under VMware. So send in something that runs under Xen.

Shouldn't the same things run under both?

Can't use Windows (3, Interesting)

angryargus (559948) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815004)

One requirement is "royalty-free distribution", so it excludes Microsoft (I bet VMware doesn't mind that).

I'm glad to see that VMware finally got an advertising budget, but looks like they blew it all in one promotion.

VMware innovates. What do _you_ do? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815065)

1 promotion? So far I'm counting 3:

o Free (as in beer) VMware Player
o Free (as in beer) VMware Server
o $ 200 000 for the Ultimate Virtual Appliance Challenge

Personnally, I'm glad to see this kind of innovative marketing from them. It falls in the same vein as:
o The Ansari X-Prize
o The Gnome bounties
o The Google summer of code

VMware is driving innovation the same way Google and Apple do. I'm buying as much stock of these cool companies I can put my hands on.

Re:Can't use Windows (1)

Soruk (225361) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815663)

I recently rebuilt the entire Mail Me Anywhere [mailmeanywhere.com] platform as a virtual appliance system. Under QEMU :)

Entirely built of free software or my own code (it uses MailStripper [eridani.co.uk] as its backend) but due to the nature of both the appliance isn't distributable...

Hah! (1)

yournic (308333) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815012)

I find it highly humorous that the first article posted on /. I read when I boot up Solaris 10 on VMware is an article about VMware and virtual appliances.

Re:Hah! (1)

debilo (612116) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815071)

I find it highly humorous that the first article posted on /. I read when I boot up Solaris 10 on VMware is an article about VMware and virtual appliances.

Your sense of humor needs better virtualization.

Re:Hah! (1)

TheoB (859132) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815095)

I find it highly humorous that the first article posted on /. I read when I boot up Solaris 10 on VMware is an article about VMware and virtual appliances.

Especially since you read it on the LCD of your Solaris-powered electric toothbrush!

(Ducks)

Mark Shuttleworth (2, Informative)

Tim C (15259) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815026)

Well, I can't say that I knew of him, big name or not, so for those of you who were similarly ignorant, here is a link to his biography [markshuttleworth.com] .

Re:Mark Shuttleworth (2, Funny)

kamerononfire (841001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815047)

A little company called Canonical? A small Linux distro called Ubuntu? Trip to space? Not ringing any bells? You call yourself a /. reader.. :P

Re:Mark Shuttleworth (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815128)

A little company called Canonical?

Nope.

A small Linux distro called Ubuntu?

Vaguely; I briefly tried Kubuntu a couple of weeks ago, but really it's been a couple of years since I last seriously used Linux on the desktop.

Trip to space?

I vaguely remember talk of some private citizen or other going up, but I didn't really take a lot of notice - not particularly exciting scientifically, never going to be an option for me.

You call yourself a /. reader..

Now you're just envious of my UID ;p

Re:Mark Shuttleworth (2, Funny)

Wonko (15033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815137)

Now you're just envious of my UID ;p

I know I sure am!

Re:Mark Shuttleworth (1)

Zack (44) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815202)

Man, I love UID wars.

Re:Mark Shuttleworth (1)

Wonko (15033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815469)

Man, I love UID wars.

That's not fair... I actually thought my id was a little higher than his when I posted.

New lottery game "Dual Boot" (1)

corralesroad (560553) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815039)

Write the code to "Dual Boot" windows xp on a new mac-tel. $112,000 and counting.

Re:New lottery game "Dual Boot" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815089)

I wouldn't need to dual-boot Windows on a MacBook if there was a working VMware Workstation for OS X. In fact, it'd be even better to have Windows running within a window within Aqua, than to have to reboot to switch back and forth between the two OSes.

Come on VMware!!! It can't be such a big job technically since you already have VMware for linux (it's not like you have to port over your Windows version). And you know there's a market for it.

Does anyone know if VMware has plans to do a Workstation for intel Macs?

Re:New lottery game "Dual Boot" (1)

LLuthor (909583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815147)

Gaming performance sucks inside VMWare. The only way I will buy a mac notebook is if I can still play games on it. If windows works on it, then I am definitely going to buy one.

Re:New lottery game "Dual Boot" (1)

HaydnH (877214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815250)

"Gaming performance sucks inside VMWare..."

If you could install the graphics drivers things wouldn't be so bad, anything 3D through the VMWare vesa driver is pointless - instead of giving $200,000 away for the most innovative vitual appliance they should give the money to the first person that can get nVidia/ATI drivers working inside a VM.

Haydn.

Re:New lottery game "Dual Boot" (1)

LLuthor (909583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815372)

they should give the money to the first person that can get nVidia/ATI drivers working inside a VM

What good would that do? There isn't an nVidia/ATI card in the VM to work on! The VM has its own virtual graphics card. No other card's drivers will do.

Besides, there is just too much overhead to do this kind of thing in the VM at the driver level. They could theoretically create their own DirectX implementation that worked with the hosts drivers, but this seems like a LOT of work for a small gain.

Re:New lottery game "Dual Boot" (1)

antientropic (447787) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815626)

Besides, there is just too much overhead to do this kind of thing in the VM at the driver level. They could theoretically create their own DirectX implementation that worked with the hosts drivers, but this seems like a LOT of work for a small gain.

Actually, VMware 5.0 has some experimental support for 3D acceleration through the host's drivers: http://www.vmware.com/support/ws5/doc/ws_vidsound_ d3d.html [vmware.com]

Need I say it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815049)

Virtual Porn Appliance - I await my prize money

RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815113)

From the challenge rules [vmware.com] :
Participant warrants that their entry will not contain any (a) materials that are pornographic, obscene,...

Re:RTFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815148)

The Virtual Porn Appliance does not need to contain porn but could be used to easily find it. Although that basically means it has a browser and an internet connection.

Re:Need I say it (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815787)

Virtual Porn Appliance -- doesn't have much of ring to it.

How about -- Pornucopia?

In search of the next paradigm shift. (3, Insightful)

keilinw (663210) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815050)

I applaud the application of "incentives" to promote enhancements in society. As the prize money is intended, the result should be a change in the way society works, or at least a change in perception. To date such prizes as the X-Prize and the DARPA grand challenge serve quite a compelling purpose... to enhance technolgy.

Examining Open Source Software's track record we see that it has made quite an impact on society; even producing a few "kill apps." But, what I am waiting for is the next paradigm shift or revolution. When will it come? What will it be? Will it involve Open Source Software? Nobody knows the answer to such questions, but I have high hopes that such prize money / incentives are capable of producing the next revolution in technology advancements. If not, lets hope so!

--Matthew Wong
http://www.themindofmatthew.com [themindofmatthew.com]

Re:In search of the next paradigm shift. (1)

uberchicken (121048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815081)

You didn't just say "paradigm", you said "paradigm shift"!!

Hell, now my post says it too. Thanks. Thanks a lot.

Re:In search of the next paradigm shift. (1)

eric76 (679787) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815133)

But, what I am waiting for is the next paradigm shift or revolution.

Then you need a Paradigm Shift Virtual Smoke Detector.

It will not only alert you to any and all paradigm shifts that may appear in your vicinity, but in between paradigm shifts, you can play solitaire on it.

Re:In search of the next paradigm shift. (1)

Soruk (225361) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815686)

The noise you just heard there was the sound of a paradigm shifting without a clutch.

Re:In search of the next paradigm shift. (1)

Quadraginta (902985) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815407)

I applaud the application of "incentives" to promote enhancements in society....But, what I am waiting for is the next paradigm shift or revolution. When will it come? What will it be?

Wait, I have an idea! Call me crazy, but...what if we set up some kind of system in which there were millions of small prizes that anyone could win, just by having a good idea and implementing it. And furthermore, what if we decentralized the whole decision-making process of the exact amount of the prize to be awarded, and to whom and when it would be distributed. Made it a sort of grass-roots open-source effort.

Like, anyone could instantly reward the quality of someone else's innovative contribution to society, at any time, on the spot. It'd be like millions of little X-Prizes, distributed every day by millions of volunteers.

We could print certificates for the prizes, on special (green?) paper. They'd be redeemable for meals in superior restaurants, electronic merchandise -- heck, even new cars if someone accumulated enough of them. People could just carry prize certificates around with them all the time, in a pocket-sized foldable leather case, and instantly reward anyone they found providing a superior product or service.

This way, people with the best ideas as judged by the entire community of users and potential users could expect to rapidly accumulate lots of the little green prize certificates, without needing to prove the worth of their work to some overworked and underimaginative government agency. I suppose it's a little weird to imagine taking government entirely out of the business of guiding and rewarding technological creativity, but I have the feeling a decentralized system of rewards like this could prove to be the most powerful incentive to innovate the world has ever seen.

Re:In search of the next paradigm shift. (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815472)

> Wait, I have an idea! Call me crazy, but...what if we set up some kind of system
> in which there were millions of small prizes that anyone could win, just by
> having a good idea and implementing it. And furthermore, what if we
> decentralized the whole decision-making process of the exact amount of the prize
> to be awarded, and to whom and when it would be distributed

You could call the implementation of those ideas `products` and you'd call the prizes `prices`. You could set the prize/price yourself, and if people wanted to `award you` with a prize/price they could, perhaps in person with `cash` or using some form of `credit card`. We could call this system `capitalism`. Yeah, I think you're onto a winner here, mate!

Re:In search of the next paradigm shift. (1)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815480)

It's an interesting idea, but I can see a number of flaws.

For example, it seems to me that it's likely to reward popularity rather than innovation. There's a very great risk that unscrupulous characters might decide to target specific portions of the general public, like the young, who may prove easily swayed by peer pressure and heavy advertising into giving away all their reward tokens to people who aren't actually innovating at all, but are merely repackaging the same tired old ideas over and over again, and just using attractive people to promote them. Genuine innovation might end up being starved of rewards because new innovators won't have an existing base of reward tokens that they can use on massive marketing campaigns, and the people who do acquire many reward tokens will no longer have any further incentive to innovate.

Of course, you could argue that as long as people are being entertained by this drivel, it doesn't matter that real innovation is stifled. You could argue that truly creative people will continue to innovate even if they're not being rewarded for it. But then why keep your system in place once it's stopped doing what it was meant to do? If your system of reward tokens doesn't actually end up rewarding innovation, then what purpose does it serve, and how is it superior to a standard system of either government funding, or relying on private patronage to reward innovators?

Re:In search of the next paradigm shift. (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815542)

hmm.. wow o.o .. I think I'll quit my job right now and work on developing that concept - I'm gonna be rich!

Re:In search of the next paradigm shift. (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815640)

I suppose it's a little weird to imagine taking government entirely out of the business of guiding and rewarding technological creativity, but I have the feeling a decentralized system of rewards like this could prove to be the most powerful incentive to innovate the world has ever seen.

The thing is, if the government didn't get involved, why would the average Joe be willing to give away these "prizes".

Maybe we could make the government threaten people with fines and imprisonment if they don't give away enough prizes. But how would we determine what is "enough" prizes? I guess we'd have to let the person who creates the product to set their own prize.

Hmm, wait a second. This is starting to sound like a horrible idea.

... might be TRUE cross-platform development (1)

wysiwia (932559) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815471)

To advance OpenSource forward in the hope it will have an impact on enhancing the society I think it's most important to come to term and start developing TRUE cross-platform development. That means not only building cross-platform but also usable cross-platform by any ordinary user. See http://wyoguide.sf.net/papers/Cross-platform.html [sf.net]

O. Wyss

Bingo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14816106)

Bingo! Wow, I scored a line in buzzword bingo from just one post! I think this is a new record...

Dips on partioned rebuild. verify, package (1)

NZheretic (23872) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815087)

Not a single applicance but a virtually partitioned build, verify, package, open source process applicance.
Tuesday, October 12, 2004 : Twelve Step TrustABLE IT : VLSBs in VDNZs From TBAs [blogspot.com] .

A trust but verify build environment. Using one PC to host a virtual network of locked down servers used to :
1) rebuild source RPMs and other packages.
2) compare the rebuilt binaries to downloaded/existing packages.
3) digitally sign the packages for local install if OK.

Also maybe add a stage 0, running lint and other source checking tools over the source code before build to check for buggy code.

VMWare-aware virus. (3, Insightful)

CCFreak2K (930973) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815149)

After observing that W32.Mytob didn't run under Windows 95, I read up Symantec's page on it. Appearently, it can figure out if it's running in VMWare, and terminates if it does. I consider that inventive on the writer's part.

Re:VMWare-aware virus. (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815300)

After observing that W32.Mytob didn't run under Windows 95, I read up Symantec's page on it. Appearently, it can figure out if it's running in VMWare, and terminates if it does. I consider that inventive on the writer's part.

It's not really that hard. You just query the name of the CDROM/IDE driver. If it's called something like "VMWare Virtual CDROM" then that's a small clue right there.

There are more complicated ways, but why bother?

Re:VMWare-aware virus. (1)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815561)

Or check the first three bytes of the MAC address -- VMware doesn't allow its customers to choose arbitrary MAC addresses for VMs, and instead locks them to one of their two OUIs for the first three bytes.

Re:VMWare-aware virus. (1)

qodfathr (255387) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816034)

So if I rename my CD-ROM and change the MAC address of my physical machine, I'll be safe from these overly smart viruses! Yee haw!!!!!

AV Software people use VMWare a lot (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816775)

A lot of virus testing at big companies uses VMWare, so a virus killing itself on vmware is a good idea, from the virus' perspective.

Re:AV Software people use VMWare a lot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14816900)

Although, big AV-companies probably have real hardware they can use to test those kinds of viruses...

Slow down horsey! (3, Informative)

GoMMiX (748510) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815150)

The documentation states you have to be a full time student.

The article and most documentation fails to mention this piece of information.

Re:Slow down horsey! (1)

raster (13531) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815189)

Where does it say you need to be a student? The closest I see is "no corporate entries" - ie a company cannot submit. Doesn't stop someone working from doing one in their own time and submitting as an induvidual?

Re:Slow down horsey! (1)

artg (24127) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815230)

Are you sure ? Isn't that just for the Best Collegiate Entry ?

Q: Do I need to be a full time student to qualify for the Best Collegiate Appliance award?
A: Yes! You need to be able to show proof of your status if your entry is selected as the Best Collegiate Appliance.

Re:Slow down horsey! (1)

erikdotla (609033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815232)

only for the Best Collegiate prize, the others have no such restriction (link and point if you still think you're right)

Re:Slow down horsey! (1)

HaydnH (877214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815279)

"The documentation states you have to be a full time student."

Really? I can't find that in the rules, all I can find is this:

"WHO CAN ENTER
To participate in the Ultimate Virtual Appliance Challenge (the "Challenge"), you must be at least 18 years old. The Challenge is open to individuals or teams of up to 10 people (the "Participant"), but not to corporate entries. By participating in the Challenge, Participants agree to be bound by these rules and to all decisions of VMware, which are final, binding and conclusive in all matters. To keep the Challenge legal and fair, we need to prohibit certain participants, see below.

PROHIBITED PARTICIPANTS: We want a fair and legal Challenge!
Full and part-time employees of VMware as well as those who are performing internships during the Challenge duration and those involved in the production (including prize suppliers), implementation and distribution of this Challenge and their advertising or promotion agencies, parent companies, service providers, agents, officers, subsidiaries or affiliates, or any other persons or entities directly associated with the Challenge and members of the immediate families and/or persons living in the same household as such persons, are ineligible to enter the Challenge. Prizes will not be awarded to residents of Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, or Syria.

Re:Slow down horsey! (1)

blake182 (619410) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815287)

The documentation states you have to be a full time student.

Just so we're clear, the rules for the Ultimate Virtual Application Challenge [vmware.com] indicate:

WHO CAN ENTER

To participate in the Ultimate Virtual Appliance Challenge (the "Challenge"), you must be at least 18 years old. The Challenge is open to individuals or teams of up to 10 people (the "Participant"), but not to corporate entries. By participating in the Challenge, Participants agree to be bound by these rules and to all decisions of VMware, which are final, binding and conclusive in all matters. To keep the Challenge legal and fair, we need to prohibit certain participants, see below.

.
.
.

PROHIBITED PARTICIPANTS

We want a fair and legal Challenge! Full and part-time employees of VMware as well as those who are performing internships during the Challenge duration and those involved in the production (including prize suppliers), implementation and distribution of this Challenge and their advertising or promotion agencies, parent companies, service providers, agents, officers, subsidiaries or affiliates, or any other persons or entities directly associated with the Challenge and members of the immediate families and/or persons living in the same household as such persons, are ineligible to enter the Challenge. Prizes will not be awarded to residents of Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, or Syria.

Freaked my shit out when the parent said it's only open to students, and moderators should probably fact check a little better before slapping an Informative on something. My two cents.

The bottom line is that you don't have to be a student, you can't work for VMWare, and you can't be a rat bastard commie terrorist [state.gov] . I'll bet they write shitty code anyway. The terrorists that is.

Re:Slow down horsey! (1)

clydemaxwell (935315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815781)

Hm Im fairly sure some of those are our allies..although at the very least Cuba has been embargoed forever. What a slap in the face to the (probably non-existent) cuban coders.

No Problem! (1)

mstefanus (705346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815364)

Mention that you're a Sith Apprentice. That qualifies as a student right?!

only 1 prize is student only (2, Informative)

mincognito (839071) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815560)

From the site:

First Prize $100,000 Second Prize $50,000 Third Prize $25,000 Five Best of Category Prizes -Best Consumer Appliance -Best Developer Appliance -Best Server Appliance -Best Collegiate Appliance * -VMTN Community Choice Appliance $5,000 Each

* Participant must be a full-time student.

See, the one asterix connects to the other asterix...makes sense that a collegiate appliance be written by a student, no?

Re:Slow down horsey! (1)

adityapk (841961) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815633)

I don't think so. They have a different award for college students, and you need to be a full time student for that award.

From the site:

Q: Do I need to be a full time student to qualify for the Best Collegiate Appliance award?

A: Yes! You need to be able to show proof of your status if your entry is selected as the Best Collegiate Appliance.

Watch out! (1)

putko (753330) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815190)

When you enter, you give up your stuff.

That's a little extreme: if your thing is really good, you might be better off buying appliances (they cost only $150 on up), loading your software onto the thing, and going into business for yourself.

Furthermore, just entering your thing means you are giving it up. You probably won't win, but you'll be giving up.

Re:Watch out! (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815520)

When you enter, you give up your stuff.

Give up your stuff? No, you just have to allow others to make copies of "your stuff".

Re:Watch out! (1)

stm2 (141831) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815712)

Where do you get $150 appliances?

beowulf (2, Funny)

muftak (636261) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815262)

Imagine a virtual beowulf cluster in vmware! How much faster would your pc be with 100 virtual CPUs...

Re:beowulf (1)

Glonoinha (587375) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815506)

I've done it - it kicks ass.
Newly deployable nodes as fast as you can add the hardware, highly scalable and the overhead is negligible.
Actually I should probably call dibs on VMware Beowulf Clusters simply because I already have it set up to demo (or run, if you have clusterable applications to run.)

$echo 'dibs on VMware Beowulf Clusters...'

no virusess. (1)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815276)

from the conditions...

(b) viruses, Trojan horses, worms, time bombs or other computer programming routines related to "hacking" or "cracking" or which damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or personal information

The whole point i use a vmware box for is to test suspect software for such behaviour because it is easely reset and can be simply firewalled and because it really cannot touch te data on my day to day machine.

Virtual appliance candidate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815310)

My virtual appliance submission: A Virtual Space Heater

#cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/null

sweepstakes labor? (1)

davek (18465) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815399)

I fail to see how this is anything but free labor in exchange for a chance at a contest prize. VMWare sells the licenses to their software, don't they? This does not exclude them from contributing to open source, but I think they shouldn't dangle carrots out there and hope that random programers will do development for them.

Re:sweepstakes labor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815656)

I fail to see how this is anything but free labor in exchange for a chance at a contest prize.

The main difference is that the product you produce isn't owned by VMWare. It's owned by the author.

VMWare sells the licenses to their software, don't they?

They have some software they sell, but the player software and server software is (proprietary) freeware. Yeah, it's proprietary, but so is the intel or AMD chip that most open source software developers build their stuff on.

This does not exclude them from contributing to open source, but I think they shouldn't dangle carrots out there and hope that random programers will do development for them.

I dunno, I see this as a little different from that. It would be as though Apple Computer gave prizes to selected people who develop open source software which runs on the Mac.

Re:sweepstakes labor? (1)

loraksus (171574) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815674)

Not sure if you know that Vmware player and a beta of their server (used to be gsx?) are free.
They still charge for their ESX server, workstation and some higher end products, but if you want to just run a virtual machine, you can just download the player free of charge. If you want to create, the server beta is available.

Re:sweepstakes labor? (1)

dtsazza (956120) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816133)

I can't see how this is worse than what Apple did for its WebKit contributors [slashdot.org] . Except here they're mentioning that there's a prize beforehand, rather than retrospectively deciding to award one.

In fact, I can't see how this is worse than open source development in general, which in your words is "free labor in exchange for no chance at a contest prize". I'd like to refer you both to the keilinw [slashdot.org] 's earlier comment about funding innovation [slashdot.org] , and Eric S. Raymond's Homesteading the Noosphere [catb.org] for an explanation of why people create open source software. Then remember that those reasons still apply, plus they stand a chance to benefit financially from it, and try to maintain it's a bad thing.

Appliances (2, Insightful)

Keruo (771880) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815434)

Well, after using vmware for some time, networking infrastructure could use more work.
The one built-in to vmware is awful.

Few things comes in mind straight off:
  1. Virtual switch device for connecting workstations(think managed ports)
  2. Virtual router for creating networks
  3. Virtual cable to simulate line delay and perhaps errors between hosts
  4. Virtual PBX to simulate phones and modems (modified asterisk?)

Also, the install scripts in linux version could use some work..
Sometimes you might want to reconfigure devices without recompiling the network modules.

Virtual machines not virtual device simulation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815535)

That's what I was thinking of also (virtual devices). I've actually done virtual device simulation from a separate virtual machine before. Make that multiple devices, an entire simulated network. So I know what an api to support that might look like and it is not like VMWare's api at all.

Re:Appliances (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14816304)

The Security Lab (http://www.seclab.cs.sunysb.edu/ [sunysb.edu] ) at SUNY Stony Brook actually has this for their network security course. I don't know if it is available or not though.

Re:Appliances (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816795)

3. Virtual cable to simulate line delay and perhaps errors between hosts

On a related (but OT) note, I wish there were an extension to Firefox that would let me load pages that are local (or on a fast connection) but draw them slowly to simulate a slow connection. Something that would say "OK, I've already got this 50kB image in memory, but let me take 10 seconds to draw it anyway to simulate 56k dialup." I'm visualizing a little dropdown in the web devloper toolbar, like the one for styles, that lets you choose the speed (28.8/33.6/56/128/256/384/512/768/1M/off.) Anyone know of anything that works like this? Searching for "firefox bandwidth extension" just gives me a zillion pages with bandwidth testers.

virtual appliance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815446)

what's a "virtual appliance" ?

Re:virtual appliance? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815464)

Geez I'm glad I'm not moderating this thread.

Debugging viruses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815481)

I want an appliance for debugging viruses. You see, there is this one virus called Windows that seems to infest every computer born here in the USA, and if we could somehow learn how to stop that one then all the other ones go away at the same time. What an added benifit that would be!



Serious though, how would you build an appliance that allows the host system to debug the client OS currently loaded, with debugging symbols if available. Sure, I could run the VMWare under a debugger,but its the client OS I would want to debug for things like drivers and kernel level access.

Dual Hand Touchscreen, quite 'virtual' to me. (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815517)

I think the creators of the the Dual Hand Touchscreen [slashdot.org] would be a perfect entry:

Re:Dual Hand Touchscreen, quite 'virtual' to me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815586)

Yes, that would be a real appliance but is that really what they are looking for? Seeing VMware devs talk here I get the feeling the jury is looking for sandboxed network rooting software running in there universal sandbox. So developing a real linux appliance would not get on their radar for being within their vision of what they want developed. Sure I have some idea's about a Linux appliance but would they reward me for it? I don't think so, perhaps only applaud me for it.

At least that is the feeling I'm getting. So no real Linux toaster, Linux surf appliance, Linux multimedia appliance.

How about Tor? (1)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815531)

I want a Tor [eff.org] virtual appliance!

Re:How about Tor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14816353)

Anonym.OS is a Tor-based ISO Live-CD that uses OpenBSD. Not exactly a VMware appliance, but I use it in VMware and boot from the virtual CD-ROM.

http://theory.kaos.to/projects.html [theory.kaos.to]
http://sourceforge.net/projects/anonym-os/ [sourceforge.net]

A few ideas (1)

James McGuigan (852772) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815593)

1. A virtual samaba server on a windows machine in order to access ext3 / reiserfs partitions on a local hard disk.

2. A virtual browser testbed, multiple virtual machines each running different Browser / OS combos (Linux / Windows / MacOSX), with a script to grab screenshots of each browser and to allow interactive testing of each combo.

3. Cross platform virtual compile farm.

4. A virtualized router / firewall within a server - almost as safe as an external box if it gets cracked.

5. A virtualized DRM media player for redirecting the video/audio data from a virtual monitor/speaker to a virtual digital input.

6. A virtualized testbed for massivly distrabuted systems. Like testing the routing efficency of freenet over a variety of network link speeds.

"Appliances." (1)

Ivan Matveitch (748164) | more than 8 years ago | (#14815655)

The value of a computer system model lies not in how well it does specific thing X today, but in how naturally you can program it to do as-yet-unknown thing Y tomorrow; it's easy to write software that meets only your present needs. A set of "virtual appliances," each of which serves some narrow purpose, is just about as bad as one can get.

Re:"Appliances." (1)

sketerpot (454020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816546)

Think about it as a bunch of programs which just have abnormally large bundles of compatibility libraries distributed with them. This means that the people who write the programs don't have to worry as much about distribution hassles, and everything is nicely self-contained in its own folder.

Would a virtual Live-CD be able (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14815744)

to offer near guaranteed virus/Spy free environment that can be rapidly turned on/off.

I promote Live-cd's to everyone I know doing on-line banking, stock trading reading business email, and surfing untrusted sites.

I recommend they reboot just prior to using banking and stock trading. This is great but it is time consuming.

So my question is would doing this in a vmware environment be faster and/or better? to offer near guaranteed virus/Spy free environment that can be rapidly turned on/off.

SAN (1)

AxisNL (934465) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816077)

I'd go for a boot'n go SAN machine, or iSCSI SAN host, with built in encryption, and an easy, slick looking web interface ;)

Contests are a scam (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14816211)

Imagine getting thousands of developers working for you for 3 months for $200k.

Or lets look at it another way. Say 1000 people participate in this. That means if each person was being paid, they would be getting around $2 per day for their work. What is this, India? Only VMware wins here.

Don't get me wrong, I like VMware and have spent a lot on money on them but contests like this always piss me off. Instead of giving a commercial company free work, why not put your effort into something everyone can use? Or at the very least benefits you. Do an open-source project, help an open-source project (Xen maybe, QEMU, Bochs), start your own company or whatever.

Finally (1)

ThreeDeadTrolls (944446) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816282)

Finally, no more having to get up and pee during those LAN parties.

I want ESX Player Lite... (whose listening?) (1)

arkarumba (763047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816400)

Potentially the ESX stuff would be useful for the servers at work, but its kind of a side issue I wouldn't realistically be able to spend time on, so the "familiarity gap" remains.

What would REALLYYYYY interest me is an inexpensive way to run Linux and XP concurrently without the performance penalty of the Host-Guest configuration. A version of ESX limited to only two virtual machines would be ideal. It would definitely have me becoming familiar with that technology.

Also it would make it easier to slide Linux into the organisation, for those few critical Windows-Only-Business-Applications which tend to hold everything back.

And while the ideas are flowing, another useful feature would be having two video cards installed and assigning one to each virtual machine, so both could be displayed at the same time, so I could work on Linux and my low-tech-wife can work on Windows at the same time (until I can wean her off)

anyone at VMWare listening... :) ?

Re:I want ESX Player Lite... (whose listening?) (1)

arkarumba (763047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816826)

oh, and dedicating one card to each virtual machine might make their 3D efforts simpler.

What the hell is a "virtual applicance"? (1)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14816718)

I can't believe it, it seems like these people have designed the contest without ever defining what it is they're looking for!! What the hell? I know what an "appliance" generally is, a computer pre-loaded with software for doing a specific task. But what the hell is a "virtual" appliance? An appliance with a virtual machine loaded on? Or a piece of software that pretends to be an appliance? It just doesn't make any sense, practically a non-sequiter. An appliance is something you sell as a physical device, and "virtual" means not having physical form... so WTF are they looking for?
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