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"The most interesting new product"? (4, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819374)

How about the new Mac mini [apple.com], which has a 1.5GHz Intel Core Solo or 1.66GHz Core Duo, 512MB RAM (expandable to 2GB), a combo drive or DVD±R/RW SuperDrive, up to 120 GB drive, DVI/VGA/composite/S-Video [apple.com] out on Intel GMA950 graphics [intel.com] (up to 1920x1200), 802.11a/b/g, Bluetooth 2.0+EDR, gigabit ethernet (!), four USB 2.0 ports, FireWire 400 (Yes, FireWire is here to stay, folks), analog and digital (S/PDIF) in/out, and an IR remote with Front Row [apple.com] media center software that supports sharing music, photos, and videos between libraries on any other machine on the local network, starting at $599 ($579 govt/education), all in the same tiny form factor as the old Mac mini (6.5"x6.5"x2")?

And a freaking set of speakers and a $99 leather case for the iPod are the "most interesting"? ;-)

I love how the submission is like "IPOD SPEAKERS", "LEATHER IPOD CASE", and then at the end, "oh yeah, and media center Intel-based Mac minis, too". ;-)

What I want to know is what Apple's going to do with its new 107,000 square foot [bizjournals.com] Tier IV [upsite.com] data center... iTunes Movie/Media Store, anyone?

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (1)

XMilkProject (935232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819404)

Well to be fair, everyone knew an intel version of the mini was coming out, but I agree it is cool, I just purchased one.

Also, at the time the story was submitted, only the HiFi was available on the apple site so far, the mini's hadn't shown up.

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (2, Insightful)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819429)

Yeah, I figured you jumped on the submission. It was just the way it was worded that made me smile...like a leather iPod case is bigger news than Intel-based Mac mini media centers. ;-)

Just giving you a hard time. And I got one of the minis too.

give the content away to sell hardware bicches! (1)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819520)

What? No announcement that they've bought Disney? Freakin' slackers...

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (1)

user317 (656027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819424)

Anyone know how quiet it is? To bad its not dual dvi, otherwise it would be a perfect replacement for my workstation.

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (1)

daveschroeder (516195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819463)

If it's anything like the previous Mac mini, and anything like Apple's general design philosophy for such devices, it will probably be whisper quiet and almost inaudible save for the hard disk.

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819694)

Yes. Being a MiniMac (1.62 gigahertz I think) owner, it is EXTREMELY quiet. However, the 5200RPM drive is just really slow. I ended up taking it out and using a firewire drive (MiniStack) to run it off of. It's quite a bit faster now. I think that is the big flaw in the model they are offering now. There should be an option for 7200RPM drives for extra.

The other problem with the minimac that they have fixed in this Intel version is the memory. Even a gig of ram in my MiniMac can be filled up no problem, then the little guy slows to a crawl. 2 Gigs of Ram is a welcome addition.

Now, just need more programs to be Universal Binary....

Mod Parent Up for Truth + Sarcasm + Wit :P (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819428)

No kidding. Can't say I'm surprised about the Intel based Mac Minis. Now, to just get them down to a reasonable price point ...

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (1)

tdeuces (957421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819442)

Agreed -- the Mac mini announcement was the biggest and they seemed to have glossed over that in the summary. The Intel GMA950 graphics worries me a bit. From this spec page [apple.com] it looks like the graphics is shared with the main memory. Especially since these machines come, by default, with only 512 MB RAM.

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (1)

ericdano (113424) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819636)

Yeah, me too. However, since the MiniMac now supports up to 2 gigs of Ram, that shouldn't be too much on an issue. Now if some of the programs I use regularly (Protools, Finale, Digital Performer) were Intel compat......I'd get one.

But but but!! (4, Funny)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819466)

You Apple fanboy!

Don't you know you can get a machine from Dell with similar specs for about $100 less! A machine exactly the same in all respects! Well, I guess except a bit bigger. Well, quite a lot bigger actually. And heavier. But otherwise the same! Oh except it will be grey and kind of crappy looking. But the specs will be the same! Oh apart from running Windows XP rather than OSX. And without the iLife software. But otherwise exactly the same. You Apple fanboys are nuts!

Re:But but but!! (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819555)

Don't you know you can get a machine from Dell with similar specs for about $100 less!
Well, it's a fair question. The Duo machine is $800, not $600. $800 is getting up there for a box with no peripherals in today's ultra-cheap market. Still it's the cheapest Duo machine I've noticed, however I haven't looked very hard.

Are there any real competitors in the same niche?

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (1)

thexgodfather (880849) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819583)

All I know is I can finnally afford a fast Mac computer... and it comes in the form of Mac mini that will happily record all the TV shows I want... Wait till Apirl 1st there will be all sorts of goodies released then! Apple is going to blow you away!! Time to stock up on apple stock

Re:"The most interesting new product"? (1)

akheron01 (637033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819677)

No, the time to stock up on Apple stock was when every said they were dying. Put me into a brand new, all mine, not the bank's, Volkswagen ;)

Data Center (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819657)

What I want to know is what Apple's going to do with its new 107,000 square foot Tier IV data center... iTunes Movie/Media Store, anyone?

I have been thinking. Wouldn't it be interesting if they used this to offer paid hosting of websites and businesses (ala Rackspace/Dreamhost/CIHost/Whatever)? Now I realized that this is quite a bit out of their core market, but it would get Apple servers out there. And who better to know how to run a datacenter of Macs than Apple themselves. Rent your own partial XServer to even a full XServer!

Just an interesting thought. I doubt it, but it was the first thing that popped into my head when you mentioned that.

I never even thought of them using it for iTMS and .Mac. That would make more sense.

Don't see a model .... (1)

p.rican (643452) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819390)

for $499. Seem to be starting at $599 w/ 512MB RAM, 1.6GHz Intel core solo and 80 Gig Hard drive. I'll still grag the Power mac mini for the lower price point.

Re:Don't see a model .... (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819436)

The Mac mini has shared video memory, so you really get 448 MB (512 - 64) of usable system memory.

Jeez, shared memory. Even my $300 Dell doesn't stoop that low.

Re:Don't see a model .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819587)

> Jeez, shared memory. Even my $300 Dell doesn't stoop that low.

Exactly what graphics card is in your $300 Dell? AFAIK all budget Dells ship with Intel GMA (or even worse, Intel Extreme Graphics), which use shared video memory, and many don't have AGP or PCIe slots.

Re:Don't see a model .... (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819649)

I'm pretty sure it's Intel Extreme Graphics but it doesn't appear to take any of the system RAM away. StatBar claims I have 256 MB of RAM available to Windows, the total amount of RAM that came with the system.

Re:Don't see a model .... (1)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819446)

These now include wifi and bluetooth, which I think is where the price disparity comes in (though I could be wrong).

Re:Don't see a model .... (1)

tverbeek (457094) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819697)

Yeah, even with educational discounts, the cheapest new Mac available is now $579. Granted, it's largely psychological, but they've lost the switch-enticing marketing hook of being able to say, "You can get a new Mac for under $500."

Sooo.... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819391)

...we're supposed to get worked up over a leather case for an iPod all while Slashdot continues to ignore Jonathan Schwartz's offer of free hardware [sun.com] for Slashdot? I must be missing something.

Wow, a leather case (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819394)

How exciting, I almost wet my pants.
And a boombox for the ipod, now if that isn't a novell idea...

And yes, they switched some more of their computers to intel, who would have thought.

Another Apple commercial brought to you by /.

Kind of underwhelming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819395)

These are basically the products that were slated for this past January, but were yanked last minute. Expect the really cool stuff in April 1 when Apple celebrates it's anniversary!

New Products (1)

justaj (915459) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819399)

The mac mini got a nice update, though a tv tuner card would have been nice. Not sure i'd pay $350 for a boombox though...

Re:New Products (1)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819604)

Not sure i'd pay $350 for a boombox though...

Oh, I would, for sure. I can't wait to spend money on a high fidelity system to listen to sub-CD quality songs piped from a portable device.

Bye bye stereo!

Looks like the new iMac could make (1)

krisp (59093) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819403)

a great HTPC. With spdif and 4 usb, could easily hook up a few USB television tuners and run mythtv. If i hadn't just built a windows mce htpc, i'd go this route.

Re:Looks like the new iMac could make (1)

ladybugfi (110420) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819553)

What tv-tuner cards (preferably digital, DVB) would you use with this new Mac mini? Without them it's several cards short of full deck.

USB/Firewire TV Tuners for Mac (1)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819706)

Elgato [elgato.com] makes a number of different models of TV tuner for Macs. They are USB or Firewire and depending on the model support analog, digital cable, HDTV over the air and HDTV cable signals.
I've never used them, so I can't comment on how well they work - but there is an option out there for Mac Minis.

New Mac mini video chipset! Made for Home theater! (4, Informative)

Danathar (267989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819406)

In case anybody cares...the video chipset on this thing was MADE for home theater! It has hardware motion compensation, MPEG-2 hardware decoding, support for native HDTV resolutions and 16x9 aspect displays..among other nice stuff. It's NOT a big 3d gaming platform but definitely has the stuff for decoding video.

http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/ [intel.com]

Re:New Mac mini video chipset! Made for Home theat (1)

Erwos (553607) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819552)

So, basically, all the features the nForce2-integrated Geforce4 MX had when it debuted back in mid-2002? THAT'S AMAZING!

The choice of the GMA 950 is hardly something to get worked up about. In fact, it's a downright bad choice, seeing as ATI's X1300 series has MUCH, MUCH better video support.


Re:New Mac mini video chipset! Made for Home theat (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819712)

It's amazing when you consider the previous model did'nt have those features. Not that they are'nt available in another chipset.

yea...I agree the Nforce 2 would of been better, but it really depends on the PRICE that intel said they'd give apple

Re:New Mac mini video chipset! Made for Home theat (1)

Jonboy X (319895) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819561)

Sweet! Looks like a fantastic-if-somewhat-overpriced MythTV frontend box for the living room. Anybody got any info on how much of the hardware is Linux-friendly?

Re:New Mac mini video chipset! Made for Home theat (1)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819622)

Looks good, but will the 2.5" HDD be fast enough to handle the load? Me thinks an external firewire drive will do the trick.

Re:New Mac mini video chipset! Made for Home theat (1)

mhocker (607466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819679)

HDTV is certainly possible with the older Minis as well. I have used with great success DisplayConfigX to "add in" 1280x720 resolutions to my PPC Mini. I have it hooked up to a Panasonic PT-AE700U and it's great.

But this is clearly the Mini that Apple should have released in the first place. The remote and digital audio out were the two most annoying problems with creating my home theatre Mac Mini. The remote was relatively easy, just use a keyspan remote. But the digital audio is an unsolvable problem due to the lack of Mac-compatible 5.1 solutions.

Bottom line; even for this PPC user this is a great upgrade. Good news is that PPC minis are still great Internet surfing devices with a cheap monitor and keyboard/mouse attached so my old one won't go 'spare'.

How... underwhelming! (1)

Antitorgo (171155) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819407)

Is it just me, or was that thing waaaay overhyped?

Re:How... underwhelming! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819486)


mac mini was expected at some point. the only real change was use of bonjour making it more something for the living room.
iPod cases.. can anyone say rip off??
ipod hifi, wow they've invented the stereo! next they'll invent one with a radio!

Wonder how it compares to... (1)

TechSnack (957035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819408)

the Bose (http://www.bose.com/controller?event=VIEW_PRODUCT _PAGE_EVENT&product=wr_wave_index [bose.com]) WaveRadio... For around $350 it looks like a better deal, since I can plugin the iPod into this too.. and get great sound...

Re:Wonder how it compares to... (1)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819494)

the Bose Wave Radio...I can plugin the iPod into this too.. and get great sound...

Well, one out of two ain't bad ;-)

Re:Wonder how it compares to... (1)

lxt (724570) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819695)

It doesn't.

There's a reason Bose stands for "Buy Other Sound Equipment". They shell out a lot of money of marketing on technology that is way behind the current standard, and it's because of this impressive mass marketing that people think their products are at the "cutting edge". They're not. Bose 802s are a nightmare speaker to deal with, requiring their own controllers and EQs made buy Bose...for little to no gain to sound fidelity, for a lot of the price. Their personal hi-fi equipment is not much better. Really overhyped, little actual performance for the money.

That is to say, they're not *bad* speakers, and their iPod dock gives a good sound - but for the money, you could do so, so, much better.

$99 for a leather case? (1)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819419)

"iPod leather cases. We've been working on these for a while. We're gonna sell these for $99, they go on sale in mid March."

I got a leather case for my iPod, with a microfiber lining for free. I've seen dozens of similar leather pouches for $5. What can a $99 leather case get me?

Re:$99 for a leather case? (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819529)

I can go to Walmart and get a par of sneakers for like $10 why should I go to a shoe store and pay $200 for an other pair?

Its called style. Some people care more then others. If they want to look cool they pay a lot of money for it.

Re:$99 for a leather case? (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819539)

"What can a $99 leather case get me?"

the same thing a $500 Mp3 player can get you ;)

Apple goodies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819421)

5 new peoducts and iPOD leather case is one of them? This reminds me of 100+ new features advertised in Panther. Some of those 'features' turned out to be bug fixes.

Intel GMA950 graphics (2, Interesting)

mzs (595629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819440)

Graphics and Video Support
Intel GMA950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory

Memory available to Mac OS X may vary depending on graphics needs. Minimum graphics memory usage is 80MB, resulting in 432MB of system memory available.

How capable is this Intel integrated graphics? How does it compare to that in the old ($100 cheaper) PPC mini or the new Duo iMac?

That's what I was wondering, too. I need Quartz Ex (1)

melted (227442) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819693)

That's what I was wondering, too. I need Quartz Extreme on this thing. If it doesn't support it, I'm not going to buy.

Two new Intel Mac Minis were announced today. (4, Interesting)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819451)

Not three.

Standard features: Tiger + iLife '06, Apple Remote + Front Row, Airport Extreme + Bluetooth, DVI Video Out, USB, FireWire, Gigabit Ethernet. This is nice because you don't have to get an upgrade to get Airport Extreme and bluetooth.

"All Mac mini models also include an integrated Intel GMA950 graphics processor with 64MB of shared DDR2 SDRAM(1), 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet, four external USB 2.0 ports, FireWire 400 port, optical digital and analog audio in/out, and built-in mono speaker."

Optical out is a nice thing to have standard now, although I'm not sure about the video processor. The GMA950 is not capable of running games (see this Extremetech review [extremetech.com]). It uses a minimum of 80mb of the memory in the Mac Mini, further reducing what you can use for applications. In short, it's a major step down from the old Mac Minis, and not useful for those who liked running WoW on their Minis.

Low-end model: 1.5Ghz Core Solo 667 mhz fsb, 512mb memory, integrated graphics, 60GB drive, combo drive - $599 US, 699$ CDN reg.

High-end model with Core Duo - 1.67Ghz, 80GB drive + SuperDrive 8x (dual-layer capable) - $799 US, 949$ CDN reg.

They've also updated the iTunes and Frontrow capabilities; now you can stream any movies or music from any computer running iTunes, and it interfaces with the Frontrow software that is included (with a nice little remote).

A bettel looking option is the new universal dock + remote (about 100$) that lets you use a video iPod like a little media device attached to speakers or a TV. Very portable!

Re:Two new Intel Mac Minis were announced today. (1)

pyros (61399) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819559)

They've also updated the iTunes and Frontrow capabilities; now you can stream any movies or music from any computer running iTunes, and it interfaces with the Frontrow software that is included (with a nice little remote).

I think that means I should be able to stream my rhythmbox library on Ubuntu 6.04 to Front Row!

Cool Fast Mini's (1)

olddotter (638430) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819457)

Freinds have been asking me about a intel based mac mini for months, every time they see me. I'm glad I don't have to keep saying I don't know.

The Apple store seems over loaded I'm getting 500 errors trying to get specs for the new mini. Does anyone have a full feature list?

more frontrow info (1)

Zed2K (313037) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819462)

Why don't they have more info about frontrow? Can it play ripped dvd's? Does it play iso files? Does it support multichannel sound out of the digital out?

Is this finally what a lot of folks have been waiting for for a dvd jukebox server front end?

Re:more frontrow info (1)

drhamad (868567) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819566)

Yes, it'll play ripped DVD's. To play video through Front Row, you need to either have it mountable, or loaded into iTunes. So MPG, MP4, QT, etc, or DVD's.

Not sure about multichannel sound offhand, but I'm pretty sure.

It'll also play trailers from the Apple Trailers site ;)

oxymoron... (0, Troll)

kilgore2 (902724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819475)

"hi fidelity boom box"???...wtf???

Compression, crappy plastic speaker enclosures and cheapo components...

Sorry, I'll go back to cleaning my vinyl now...

Re:oxymoron... (1)

supremebob (574732) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819564)

Yeah, those speakers are a total rip off. At $349, they cost even MORE than the Bose Sounddock, and they don't even bother to include the batteries for it.

Re:oxymoron... (1)

ShaneThePain (929627) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819698)

ok audiophile man. FYI, you cant HEAR compression. It takes out sound under 20hz and above 20khz. Are you so arrogant that your going to claim you can hear a difference between some rediculous lossless format and a 256kb Mp3? You cant, throw out the vinyl and load up bearshare.

I too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819482)

...say WTF after this much-anticipated non-event.

Yeah, OK, FrontRow on the Mini is a natural.

The only surprises for me were dual-core as an option for Mini and that there was nothing else to report.


Where is the MacBook, friends?

No need to budget for a new Apple for a while. I'll make do with my G4 PB and AMD64s.

Dumb and expensive (1)

dancpsu (822623) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819489)

While the original mac mini was a good idea, the new intel versions raise the price, abandoning the $500 price point. Also while they have FrontRow, there is still no tuner, no DVR software to support a tuner in FrontRow, and no component HDTV out. Showing a slideshow on a regular television could have been done by expanding their airport extreme base, and most DVD players can do slideshows already, some straight from a camera's memory card. And who wants to have their TV on to listen to music?

To really make the thing a media center, you need things like games, multiple tuners, integrated internet apps to get updates on weather, traffic, news, etc. Pretty much everything that's in MythTV. Apple has dvd playing that can be done with a $30 DVD player, music, and slideshows. Any other apps need more than a television so you can read the text in the OS anyway.

Re:Dumb and expensive (1)

guet (525509) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819609)

there is still no tuner, no DVR software to support a tuner

There will never be a tuner in the mini; broadcast television is dying and Apple wants it dead (for selfish reasons).

The other things you mentioned are included in OS X - (games, integrated internet apps etc). This product obviously isn't for you though, so why not use any other SFF PC and run MythTV on it if you want to?

Mac Mini now a real computer (2, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819490)

Which independent benchmarks [geekpatrol.ca] confirming that the Intel Core Duo really is about 4x the speed of the G4, I'd say the Mini just got a whole lot more viable. At $800 [apple.com] the price is a significant step up, but I guess you gotta pay to play, and it's still the cheapest Duo system I've noticed.

Well (2, Informative)

rworne (538610) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819496)

It should be pointed out that the new iMacs are using the Intel graphics that share system memory:
Intel GMA950 graphics processor with 64MB of DDR2 SDRAM shared with main memory

Add to that Steve Jobs stating that "Yes you can hook it up to your TV" - well sorta. You can use the Apple DVI-Composite/SVideo adpater cable, but that doesn't necessarily look so hot.

What this thing has going for it is the integrated FrontRow, remote and it's super small form factor. I was interested in this as an XBMC Media Center replacement. Unfortunately it seems that Frontrow will only play videos that are compatible with Quicktime. This rules out most of what I have on XBMC. When you boil it all down, it's the old Mac mini + Frontrow w/intel inside.

Fairly disappointing... (1)

John.P.Jones (601028) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819499)

First, the iMac mini... I would like to put this on my HDTV but hey the wireless Mac keyboard has no mouse support, how am I supposed to use a mouse on the couch. The mac remote doesn't provide these features. That is just poor thinking. Other than that I would like to see someone make their DVD library on a fileserver available via Frontrow.

Second, the iPod case, why doesn't apple leave this market to 3rd parties, they do just fine thanks.

Third, the boombox. The iMac mini can get music from your home iTunes install, that is how a home stereo should work, leverage iTunes and a home network not plug in an iPod. Besides this is another market best left to 3rd parties. Let Bose, JBL, HK, etc. build stereos and consumers will demand iTunes / iPod interaction, Apple should help them not compete with them. What's next an Apple car with iPod connectivity? It is backwards

Re:Fairly disappointing... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819600)

the wireless Mac keyboard has no mouse support, how am I supposed to use a mouse on the couch

We have these lovely new things called optical mice, that work on nearly any surface. There are even wireless ones. I have never had any trouble using my leg as a mousing surface with an optical, and neither will you unless you have a lot of pleather in your wardrobe.

Furthermore, the Apple keyboard and mouse are not included with the Mac mini. You are free to use any old wireless input device you choose, even non-Apple ones-- as long as it's USB you should be able to get it to work with the Mac, via Mac drivers from the maker or by using something like USB Overdrive. [usboverdrive.com]

Re:Fairly disappointing... (2, Informative)

greed (112493) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819669)

Don't forget the built-in Bluetooth, for even more keyboards and mice to choose from. Add a program like Salling Clicker, and you can use your Bluetooth PDA or cellphone as a remote.

Re:Fairly disappointing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819656)

What do you mean, the wireless keyboard has no mouse support? What do you think the bluetooth Mac mouse is for?

Info on the Mini that's not immediately obvious (2, Informative)

CausticPuppy (82139) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819500)

From the apple store... which is very slow right now, it took me about 15 minutes to find out this info:

The new mini uses DDR2 SO-DIMM's. Must be installed in pairs, comes with 2x256 by default but is upgradeable to 2x1024. $188 to upgrade from 512MB to 2GB, which is slightly more than Newegg pricing when you consider you don't get any credit for the original 512-- but still, nowhere near as bad as the old ripoff memory pricing.

5400rpm SATA drives-- but you can upgrade to a 120GB drive for another $118 vs. the standard 80GB

64MB **Shared video memory.** Nuts. Intel GMA950 graphics chipset. This chipset is better suited for home A/V use though.

Umm... Touch Screen Video Ipod? (1)

SeraphimXI (927683) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819505)

What happened to the Touch Screen Video IPod they were suppossed to announce? 2 mac mini's with a 6 button remote and yet another dock for the IPod was worth a huge presser why? Oh I forgot never mind they are releasing leather cases for the Ipod to, for 99 dollars! Finally I have to get rid of my 50 dollar leather IPOD case and get the new 99 dollar official one! Thank you apple!

Re:Umm... Touch Screen Video Ipod? (1)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819644)

What happened to the Touch Screen Video IPod they were suppossed to announce?

same thing that happens every keynote, rumored != supposed to

especially in the case of apple announcements.

Re:Umm... Touch Screen Video Ipod? (1)

geoffspear (692508) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819651)

Umm, the same thing that happened to the PDA they were "supposed to announce" and "definitely going to announce this time" for the past 5 years?

Every Apple rumor you read anywhere is completely made up by the author with no real information whatsoever. You may think the ones that turn out to be true are proof that the writers had actual inside information, but they're just a statistical certainty given the number of rumors. If someone predicts literally every product Apple could possibly release, a few of them are going to be true.

PXE boot? (3, Interesting)

chill (34294) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819512)

Can the Mac Mini boot via PXE? I'd love to be able to rip out the hard drive and just have a couple of these boot and run via GigE...

Re:PXE boot? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819664)

It's called NetBoot, and it needs a Mac OS X server (doesn't have to be an Xserve, you can buy the server software and put it on any Mac, but it isn't cheap). See http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/features/netboo tnetworkinstall.html [apple.com] . Apple has had NetBoot of some form since before OS X, since the early teardrop iMacs (or maybe earlier) and it's popular in school lab environments etc. HD's are so cheap that it isn't worth their bother to sell you a computer without one, plus it will use it as swap space, so you may not want to rip out the HD should you do a NetBoot like setup.

The iPod stuff is disappointing. (1)

foo fighter (151863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819515)

The "hi-fi" is a bit late to the show. It doesn't add anything the exisiting iPod hi-fi's already have except a bigger price tag and the Apple logo.

The cases are also pretty but lame. No way to access the controls, no way to view the screen, and a $100 price tag add up to DOA.

I'm really confused why they would release these. I would think the market for these two categories of iPod add-ons is pretty saturated.

Re:The iPod stuff is disappointing. (1)

plj (673710) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819662)

Indeed. This “Hi-fi” thing does not have much new comparing to Bose's Sound Dock (IIRC, Bose does not run on batteries, but that's it). And it is about as “hi-fi” as the crappy 128 bps songs available on iTMS.


chill (34294) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819544)

Bring Your Own Damn Keyboard & Mouse was how I first read this. Considering KVM has been in use for DECADES, why the hell did Apple change a well known acronym? I should probably expect as much from a company that once tried to convice people to pronounce "SCSI" as "Sexy" instead of "Scuzzy".

Hit the store an hour ago (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819558)

Other new products are an iPod Leather Case and three new media-center-style Intel Mac minis which will hit the Apple Store within the hour.

Sorry, we're all sold out...you'll have to come back in about a month when the new shipment arrives.
In the meantime, can I interest you in a new PowerMac G5 Quad with an NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500?

All well and good, but one question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819567)

Yeah, but do these "toys" run linux?


yeah, whats new? (1)

pcxmac (608673) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819572)

not much, // usesless commentary // APple sucks. They haved sucked ever since Jobs came in to power, down with Jobs, down with apple and all its toys, ....

      -- Former Mac addict, the PowerMac 9600, the last-best mac & an end of an era.

Re:yeah, whats new? (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819685)

Okay, you can keep the PM 9600. It was a kickass machine back in the day, to be sure, but it's going to be limping by now, even with all the best upgrades. I'll stick with my Digital Audio G4 until I get the cash for an upgrade. OS X annihilates OS 9. You can whine about Jobs, but ever since he took over, Apple has actually been MAKING money! Imagine that!

What a breakthrough! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819585)

In fact, several! All in one of the offerings, the "hi fi boombox."

First, "hi fi" is short for "high fidelity" (as opposed to "wi fi" which is short for absolutely nothing at all.)

High Fidelity means the played back recording sounds as much like the original performance as possible. Before now, no boom box in the world could be considered high fidelity, as you need huge, multi-driver speakers for recorded sound to sound anything like a real, live performance.

Secondly, no CD I've ever heard has ever been anywhere close to convincing me it could be a live performance, even played through Mike's big speakers with the fifteen inch woofers and super-tweeters.

Thirdly, the real breakthrough is making the lossy MP3 sound more real than CD. These aren't engineers, they're magicians! God, but I'm impressed!


("Secretly? how is that an MRC?)

Intel mac Mini initial reaction (1, Interesting)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819589)

I'm disappointed in the graphics - I was hoping for something along the lines of an X1300 or X1600 (the MacBook Pro has an X1600, I think).

I like that it has optical in and out, now, plus the remote control, wifi, and bluetooth are all now included. The superdrive is a dual layer drive (though certainly not as fast as the one in my current machine (NEC-3550A).

Here's what's really "interesting": memory. It's using DDR2-667. The price to upgrade from the default 512 Meg to 2 Gig is $300. So, search Newegg, and you'll find only ONE 2 Gig DDR2 stick at that speed (by Corsair), and it costs $999! All the other 2 Gig DDR2 sticks are at slower speeds.

So, how much you wanna bet if you buy Apple's 2 Gig DDR2 stick, it won't be running at 667? Tricky, tricky.

The video output should support my 1600x1200 resolution (it goes up to 1920x1080, which is the same # of pixels as 1600x1200), but I'm wondering at what refresh rate.

I dunno about this; this isn't a slam-dunk, "Yeah, it's time to get an Apple" product. Hmmm.

I think I want a Mac Mini Pro:

a) slightly larger to accomodate the use of a normal 3.5" harddrive, not the slow-as-hell 2.5" laptop class drive used here

b) big enough to fit a real graphics card in it

c) eSATA connector for fast external storage. FW400 won't cut it - even FW800 isn't as fast as an internal drive

d) full-speed tray-loading optical drive (16x, plus 8x burning for DL media, like my lovely NEC drive)

e) they could even ditch the FireWire entirely if I get my eSATA; this isn't a video production machine, ya know?

f) just large enough for 2 memory slots; fast 2 Gig DDR2 sticks are effin pricey, as mentioned above

I think something about 2x the size of the current Mac Mini would probably be able to fit all that in it; maybe 2.5x, though I'm not sure about the depth necessary for the decent optical drive.

I'm on the fence on this one until I see some independent tests and more technical details (does this one support all of the CoreImage functionality? VGA refresh rate at 1600x1200?). I may have to wait for the PowerMac replacement, unfortunately. Grr.

My Thoughts (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819607)

First off is the boombox. I'm not too surprised they did this (it is a huge market afterall). That said, I'm... unimpressed. It's just a big speaker with a iPod dock on top. That's what it looks like at least. I am thoroughly unimpressed with it. (Note: I'm not in the market for anything like this).

I find the Minis more interesting. I like the decision to offer two speeds: one a core solo and one a core duo. I think it is sad that they only come with 512MB of RAM still (especially since they now use Intel graphics that use the system memory for video RAM). I'm a bit dissapointed at the price jump (from $500 and $600 to $600 and $800). I wouldn't mind it as much if they included that RAM (they want $90 to do that).

For the record, I checked out what my student discount would get me. $20 off the Minis. What a savings ;)

Still, my sister is all hot under the collar to get one so I might get to play with one. They are cute.

As a media geek, this is exactly what I wanted (3, Interesting)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819612)

Ever since the Mac Mini came out, I considered using it as a media PC in my living room. I currently have a stylish Shuttle box I built myself for $800 that, while not the quietest thing in the world, looks good amongst the receiver and other electronics equipment. I use it to dish out ripped DVDs to a 40" HDTV with Windows Media Center 2005 (not a bad OS, although lately I've had a few issues with crashing).

Once I saw Front Row, I always said, if Apple were to release a version for Mac Mini, I'd buy the little box immediately. Just did.

To me, this fits perfectly with what I want: quiet, small, cheap, able to play a large DVD collection. I'll have to save them as MPEG4s, but that's no big deal. The fact that it can play videos across the network from both Mac and PCs pretty much seals the deal.

With a wireless keyboard and 1 GB of RAM my box came out to $750 (employee discount). The video card is pretty crappy, but otherwise it fits perfectly with what I want. I'm not a Apple fanboy by any stretch of the imagination (I like all machines, and run a ton of different boxes/OSes in my home), but this is a very nice product for what I need to do.

Weak. (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819613)

The core solo is at least $100 overpriced, and Apple's back to their traditional crap video chipset form.

Better find a discounted G4 mini whilst you can!

Where'd the design go? (2, Interesting)

SilentJ_PDX (559136) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819625)

The Hi-Fi is a bit of a stretch. It's basically a big box with little iPod jutting out of the top. It would look much better if the iPod sat between the speakers. Even the product page [apple.com], doesn't do it any favors.

If you ask me, that's not the kind of innovation or design that we're used to from Apple.

Leather Case Will Not Be Successful (1)

JDSalinger (911918) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819633)

The new leather case has the same problem as the original Apple-branded leather case. The iPod cannot be used while in the case. People will not want to take the iPod in and out of the case each time they want to use the device. -C

Note to VIA... (1)

chill (34294) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819658)

I've been waiting over a year for your damn Nano-ITX motherboard to ship, or a decent "legacy-free" Mini-ITX. It looks like Apple has beaten you to it and will be getting my hard-earned cash. The only benefit I can see to the VIA is the built-in crypto accelerator, but that can easily be remedied by replacing the 802.11g mini-PCI card in the Mac Mini with a Soekris VPN1411 crypto accelerator, if needed.

Finally A Solution To My MP3 Problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14819672)

I've been looking for a MP3 player that is similar to the iPod in features but with a larger hard drive, menu output to a TV instead of the small screen, a large hard drive, and a remote. My iPod is currently connected directly to the stereo and is used in place of my CD jukebox, which ran out of slots many years ago.

And now the hard drive space on that iPod is getting low, so I'm off to find another solution. I hit google and had very luck finding what I wanted. The best solution that I have found so far are the DLink media centers that communicate to a PC via wireless. That's not the approach that I wanted to take, as I prefer the unit to be stand alone and didn't want to have a dedicated PC running all the time in addition to the dLink center.

So I was considering building my own system solve the problem, but I kept coming up with too expensive a price tag for something that I cobble together and would have to support (my free time does have value to me too). Also, I didn't like having a PC case sitting alongside the stereo equipment and the possibility of having a wireless mouse/keyboard on the coffee table.

Although the new Mac Mini's are more expensive than I was hoping to spend for such an appliance to solve the problem, they are still cheaper than the route of building it myself and seem to solve some of the other hangups that I was having with the PC route.

Now does anyone know if the mini can be operated only by its remote. I want to basically just power it up and bring up the mp3 player/iTunes and operate it via the remote. No keyboard, no mouse.

If not, maybe Apple should consider building a home theatre device thats like an iPod on steriods.

Apple Ad? (1)

Lawrence_Bird (67278) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819683)

One wonders how much Apple pays /. to run this ad.  Truly earth
shattering announcements.  Perhaps next month will be a Sable iPod

Damn stock price... (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819707)

When apple did the conference in January I bought the stock at 76 and then it jumped to 86 with my hopes it would keep on going, but then when Intel reported badly it dropped down into the upper 60's. Right now it is hovering in the upper 68's and I wondering why the stock price is down with the impending announcement.

eww... (1)

Captain Rotundo (165816) | more than 8 years ago | (#14819713)

I just got an ipod for the first time (so I was worried they were gonna release a new one) and it is much nicer than a lot of other mp3 players I've tried, but that hifi thing is taking this design concept just a tad too far.... it really looks ugly.
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