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Analyst Sees 12 Million 360s by Year End

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the that's-a-lot-of-green-circles dept.

XBox (Games) 74

Next Generation has a piece predicting the 360's performance for 2006. An analyst with Amtech Research expects 12 Million 360s sold worldwide by the end of the year. From the article: "He continued, saying that he is no longer concerned with any potential adverse effects that an Xbox 360 shortage would have on publishers' March-quarter results. Amtech and McNealy also conducted a survey involving 125 retailers last week. Twenty-six of them had Xbox 360 units in stock, although all but five of them only had the non-hard drive Core units. Stores that did have the $400 Premium Packs late last week sold out of units very quickly."

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My research.. (3, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820417)

I decided to employ my own preferred research method, which I feel comparable to the one employed in TFA on every level.

The icosahedron came up "Reply hazy, ask again later."

Re:My research.. (1)

'nother poster (700681) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820811)

I thought Magic 8 Balls used a dodecahedron.

Re:My research.. (3, Informative)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820887)

They have 20 sides [wikipedia.org] .

Re:My research.. (1)

'nother poster (700681) | more than 8 years ago | (#14823519)

Thanks. It's been about 30 years since I played with one, and my memory was less than reliable on that point.

Re:My research.. (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821043)

A dodecahedron would have a pentagonal footprint. The object in the 8-Ball has a triangular footprint.

Re:My research.. (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830750)

A dodecahedron would have a pentagonal footprint. The object in the 8-Ball has a triangular footprint.

Yep, this is defintely /. alright.

-Eric

Here we go again... (3, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820419)

When one analyst says something that is vastly different than what everybody else is saying, that is *not* a cue to publish sensationalst news stories, that is your clue to ignore the crackpot.

When many analysts agree, then they're probably on to something.

I know this is the exact oposite of how news sites operate now, but please, for the sake of flame wars everywhere, fix it!

Re:Here we go again... (3, Funny)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820440)

When many analysts agree, then they're probably on to something.

I always thought it was "when many analysts agree, you should run for the hills because the world is ending."

Re:Here we go again... (1)

AlienGoods (928169) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821108)

When many analysts agree, then they're probably on to something.

I disagree. Look at Enron. Every analyst with the exception of two (one of which got fired for his opinion) said Enron was doing great. It was the few who actually bothered to look at something other than the party line that were on to something. With Sonys PS3 launch delayed, I can believe 360s will do much better than previously anticipated.

Re:Here we go again... (1)

sdhankin (213671) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821316)

With Sonys PS3 launch delayed, I can believe 360s will do much better than previously anticipated.
You're basing that on an analyst's report, right?

Re:Here we go again... (2, Informative)

ArwynH (883499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14825425)

Sony have admited to that the launch in Japan might be delayed due to the Blue-Ray specs not being finalised, so there is more than just the analysts word on it in this case.

Re:Here we go again... (1)

sdhankin (213671) | more than 8 years ago | (#14827362)

Sony has stated that the PS3 might be delayed in Japan due to the lack of finality of the Blu-Ray spec. This might have some impact on the resoundind success the Xbox 360 has been in Japan; however, I doubt that the delay (if indeed it does occur) will have any impact on the US launch.

Re:Here we go again... (1)

ArwynH (883499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14831282)

You play the delay(with is more or less definite, if they were still aiming for a spring release, they'd of demonstrated a working proto-type by now) down too much. It will have an amazing affect on xbox 360 sales in Japan! They might even reach 3 figures!!! :)

Re:Here we go again... (1)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821900)

Or it's your clue to more closely examine what that analyst is saying, to see if he's actually a crackpot or maybe he's seen something/thought of something in a different way and might have a good idea.

But ignoring him shouldn't happen until the evidence is weighed. Ignoring someone who doesn't agree with the herd leads to group-think and lots of missed opportunities.

Re:Here we go again... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14822236)

I agree with you in principle.

I don't think the people who are writing and linking to these stories are willing to do that much work though. If they need a litmus test to see if it's worth parroting what joe-analyst says, at least they could use one that is more effective than what they're doing now.

Re:Here we go again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14823347)

Come one, the XBox sold ~20 Million units after 4 years so the XBox 360 will sell 60% as many in 1 year without having a decent supply (they still have supply problems which produce a shortage) and with no system selling exclusive games ...

If you believed that I have a bridge to sell you ...

Re:Here we go again... (1)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 8 years ago | (#14825316)

When many analysts agree, then they're probably on to something.

Microsoft's payroll, for example.

Re:Here we go again... (1)

rseuhs (322520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14828580)

When many analysts agree, then they're probably on to something.

Since reporters, analysts and pretty much anybody in the publishing industry loves to copy each other's reports (hey, just look how many people (inside and outside the press) claim that the PS3 will cost $ 900. - And that was the result of an adding mistake which could be pretty easily seen) that doesn't mean anything at all.

Re:Here we go again... (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14829229)

hey, just look how many people (inside and outside the press) claim that the PS3 will cost $ 900

That was *one* analyst at Merryl Lynch Japan. There were several dozen news stories that published the report. That's an example of what I'm saying, not an argument against it.

12 million 360s?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14820432)

Holy shit, that's like 4.3 billion of them!

re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14820437)

mmm...frosty piss

Re: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14824816)

mmmmh, the lovely smell of failure is in the air...

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14820451)

Analysts see dollar signs everywhere they look. Sometimes they're going up, sometimes down. Sometimes they group together, other times Analysts see them going in opposite directions. Often times, other numbers can be seen by the Analysts which are associated with the dollar signs. Sometimes, the numbers are given to them, in addition to the dollar signs. Nothing to see here, moving along.

So could I... (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820507)

...if I were in the habit of putting mushrooms in my tea.

In other news.. (1)

LordKazan (558383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820576)

Amtech Research stocks soar with a report that they recently received a large "investment" in their business from microsoft.

12 million? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14820601)

The key to remember is that fully half of those are going to have to be used to replace malfunctioning ones.

Three basic questions (4, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820604)

1. who paid the analyst or his firm?

2. why would anyone ditch their xBox for an xBox360 when it runs so many fewer games? why not just wait until the price drops?

3. this assumes people aren't waiting until the PS3 and NR come out - which they are. I have an xBox, and I'm not planning on buying an xBox360 and see no reason to change my decision, unless I compare all three consoles and decide the games I want are only on the 360. but that's not looking likely right now.

You can project all you like, but if your lightbulb is burnt out in the projector, it won't matter.

Re:Three basic questions (1)

mattACK (90482) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820691)

I'll buy a 360 when Oblivion is out.

Side note: Who do we have to kill to get the XMBC team to release a commercial XB360 version?

Re:Three basic questions (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820873)

Side note: Who do we have to kill to get the XMBC team to release a commercial XB360 version?

Best hope we have is that new game with the big guns. I think the 360 platform was killed for lack of Must Have games.

Re:Three basic questions (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 8 years ago | (#14823389)

XBMC is under the GPL, it's based on MPlayer [mplayerhq.hu] , it's unlikely we will ever see any GPL software on a MS console without modding. IF Sony does allow Linux on the PS3, then you can expect to see some great media players for the PS3.

XBMC is freaking awesome.

Re:Three basic questions (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830801)

Considering Sony's nearly insane attitude towards DRM and their obssession with control issues, there is NO WAY they would ever allow this. They work their butts off to ensure that the PSP can't be modded or even improved on, even though IT WOULD ACTUALLY SELL BETTER IF THEY DID. They would rather take a financial hit than to even allow someone to develop a web browser for it. Does that sound like a company that's going to make it easy to write multimedia software for their console?

-Eric

Re:Three basic questions (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836630)

Bit fanatic?

Sony makes little to no money on the PSP hardware, but makes MAJOR moola on the software. If someone did make a good webbrowser for the PSP, Sony would gladly allow them to sell it.

The PS3 is in a far different situation; Sony can't stop simple software from being written for it. Even if Sony doesn't leave a way to run code natively, anyone can still use Blu-Ray's Java layer to write simple games, or even a media player. Blu-Ray's Java has built-in codecs to play MPEG-2, H.264, and VC-1 and has access to the network card.

2D games on the PS3 will not be making Sony any money. As long as Sony disables the 3D card(and the SPEs) they could allow Linux to run and not have it take a chunk out of their profits(3D games). By allowing Linux, Sony gets a free OS complete with a full compliment of modern apps.

Re:Three basic questions (2, Insightful)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 8 years ago | (#14822507)

This assumes people aren't waiting until the PS3 and NR come out - which they are.


Yes and no. While some people have already made up their mind about the 360 vs. the PS3 vs. the Revolution (read: everyone posting on the internet), most people I think will wait until there's more information on the PS3/NR. Right now, real information on the PS3/NR is about as rare as finding a real non-crippled 360 in stores. Let's say the PS3 launch disappoints: Sony at E3 says the console will be out definitely on January 7, 2007 at a price of $699 and the only two launch titles will be Puyo Puyo Fever 3 and Tomb Raider Racing. (Let's leave Nintendo out of the equation for right now). What happens the next few weeks? Everyone who's been waiting between the PS3 and the 360 now suddenly buys a 360 the next day.

It's not as simple as this but consumers (some call them "people") won't wait until the launch of the PS3. Sony, one way or the other, has to deliver something big in the next few months, even if it's just on paper and/or a working prototype. Otherwise, people will know they can hold off on the PS3 and do something else.

Re:Three basic questions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14823593)

"so many fewer" ? Where's the grammar police when we need it ?!

Re:Three basic questions (1)

Griffinart (957548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14827194)

I did for better Media Center Extender capabilities including: -Not needing to load a CD to run Extender -Not having to switch Discs when done watching a DVD -Being able to turn the unit on and off with the remote. I could have gotten a stand alone Extender with no DVD playback for $300, but $400 for an Extender that has DVD built in and can play "Next gen" games as well as the majority of X-Box games that I already owned made it an easy choice.

That's impossible. (1)

Musteval (817324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820619)

The human eye can only see five objects at once. After that it's just "many". So he COULDN'T have seen twelve million. Once again, science disproves sensationalism.

Hmmmmmmm (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820711)

1) People who want a 360 want the full thing, not a half pint version.

2) The only way I think anyone will see 12million 360s is in a very big warehouse.

MS have slipped for now with this one, the world and their dog are either waiting for the ps3, or just think what they have now suffices and however ridiculously expensive a 360 is is just too much.

where? (1)

Brunellus (875635) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820730)

considering Microsoft's wonderfully successful, indeed, almost Apple-esque, efforts to control supply, I want to know who can actually buy these things?

I certainly am not buying them....

12 million, eh? (2, Interesting)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820757)

So, is Microsoft is going to send the 11 million 360s from Japan that aren't selling to North America by year's end? I honestly don't understand how analysts could extrapolate for the end of the year; these numbers are just pulled out of their asses.

I think most people that really, really want the 360 by now have one and the rest of us that are curious and would buy one on impulse are SOL. Yes, if you're dilligent you can find one as most of my local big box stores seem to get about 25 a week, or you could buy one from the ass raping local video game store that have them marked up 25%.

I still think supply issues are hurting 360 sales and will continue to hurt them for a while to come. Mark my words, 360 sales will be no where near 12 million by year's end.

Re:12 million, eh? (2, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820800)

these numbers are just pulled out of their asses.

Careful, they'll sue you for revealing trade secrets!

Well... its not that farfetched... (1)

AzraelKans (697974) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820806)

Halo 2 sold around 5-7 million copies, the PS3 is aparently not showing up this year, so considering Halo 3 is "maybe" coming this year and the hype is going to be huge for it, we can expect around 6-8 million world wide sales (12 is quite optimistic but not totally impossible) Next year, with the PS3 and the revolution in the scene, is not so safe to predict good numbers. Now 1 BILLION xbox live users this year (the estimated in E3) thats totally farfetched.

Re:Well... its not that farfetched... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14824889)

While games do sell consoles a single game selling 5 million consoles is unprecedented (except maybe for Tetris). Halo 2 sold as much because people already had the console and those who had the console were mostly people who enjoyed Halo. Halo 2 was a 50$ investment, for Halo 3 to sell this much it would have to be at least a 390$ investment for most people (assuming a game price of 50$ which could be too low and that they'll buy a memory card, add controllers, XBox Live!, etc as appropriate). Most people would only buy a console if it offers more than just one game they are willing to play (especially if said game has a minimally inferior version available on a system they own). Depending on how many games the XC gets it could sell 12 million within the year but Halo alone will not be able to do this.

and your evidence? (2, Interesting)

xtieburn (906792) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820813)

Im actually a bit of a fan of the 360.

That said, where on Earth are they pulling these figures. The fact of the matter is that they didnt reach targets. It is not clear if that was just inventory or not. While its likely to be just something to do with shortages how can you jump from 'Oh it was just shortages' to 'The're going to do really well.'

The only piece of evidence they seem to have is that the 360 is going to reach 4.5 to 5 million units by June according to... Microsoft. Not exactly an unbiassed source.

Oh yes and they did a study of units currently in, despite the fact its a known fact that 360's are in short supply and the survey proves absolutely nothing about sales. Genius.

Re:and your evidence? (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821661)

The biggest problem with the Xbox 360 is it is not for sale anywhere. I have wanted one since release day. I don't want to buy a bundle - I just want to pay $400 and get an extra controller and one or two games. I cannot find one anywhere.

Re:and your evidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14822521)

Millions of other people feel the same way, and they keep getting to the store before you.

Re:and your evidence? (1)

lorelorn (869271) | more than 8 years ago | (#14824389)

You would have had the same problem with the original X-Box. They were impossible to buy except in bundles with 2 or 3 games.

Sure enough, a few months after release, Microsoft issued a press release saying that the X-Box had the highest rate of games purchased along with the console.

You'll have to wait a few more months to get your bundle-free 360.

Re:and your evidence? (1)

Senobyzal (826207) | more than 8 years ago | (#14827101)

I agree. I use Xbox360 tracker and 90% of the online retailers have been sold out since the console came out (with the exception of some of the more ridiculous bundle sites). I've seen a few of the smaller bundles pop up now and again (Sears, for example, had a pretty good one with PGR and an extra controller) and then that I've considered, but within an hour they were always sold out.

Maybe they are showing up on shelves in my area (Sacramento), but they aren't staying there long; there's never been one when I go by and I'm not about to camp out or spend an hour a day calling stores for one.

People who argue that there is no demand for the XBox360 and that the launch was a "failure" are just regurgitating the usual anti-Microsoft party line that's so common around here. I'm sure the same folks will be lining up to make excuses for Sony when its product is delayed and/or in short supply on launch.

Re:and your evidence? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14831606)

I agree. I use Xbox360 tracker and 90% of the online retailers have been sold out since the console came out

Yet ebay sale prices for 360s are barely even at the retail price. The "sold out" argument is being by MS fanboys even while 360s sit on store shelves all over the world.

Re:and your evidence? (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840826)

Typical comment. And incorrect. I just tried to buy one - with shipping it was $500. And that was the cheapest ones - the rest are over 500. Don't judge it by the price two days out from closing, BTW.

And yes, everytime I check FYE and EB Games and Best Buy, etc., they are _sold out_.

Analyst Sees 12 Million 360s by Year End (1)

unfunk (804468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820821)

well.. somebody's going to be very very dizzy...

Analyst Sees 12 Million 360s by Year End... (2, Funny)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820832)

...in a landfill somewhere in New Mexico [wikipedia.org] .

Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820919)

Who are these guys dropping $400 on what is essentially a single purpose computer? Might as well get a high performace CPU and VGA, and some USB controllers and play on a PC. And I am saying this as someone who doesn't often play games on PC. Are these guys people with full time jobs, and few bills to pay or what? I sure could use some of that money they have to spare.

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821326)

"Might as well get a high performace CPU and VGA, and some USB controllers and play on a PC."

For $400?

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 8 years ago | (#14823206)

No no no. Of course not, but I think with some good use of eBay and maybe an additional $100, you should be able to get yourself a pretty good CPU and VGA. Of course I could be wrong.

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

z0I!) (914679) | more than 8 years ago | (#14826687)

yes, yes you could be wrong.

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

SydShamino (547793) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821473)

A desktop PC is already a $1000+ dedicated gaming machine, because I do all my other activites at home on my laptop.

Except, with my desktop PC, I had to buy the parts, put it together, keep the software running, and deal with hardware issues. And, unless I paid over $2000 to start with, parts of it are obsolete in nine months and won't play the next greatest game, unless I want to put more money into it.*

With a game machine, you are getting a subsidized PC that can play lots of games. And you know that, at least for the 3-4 year lifetime of the console, every developer will be making games that work on your exact machine, with no video driver issues, compatibility bugs, or lag due to the age of your machine.

All that said, I don't own an XBox 360 and won't buy one. My wife bought a PS2, which I've used in the past year only to play Katamari Damacy. But I understand why some people would buy one, for the reasons I've stated.

* Early last year, motherboard replacement because the old one locked up in WoW. Turns out it was bug in the north bridge chip that caused problems during DMA to the AGP slot. I replaced processor and memory at same time, but couldn't afford to upgrade video card. Net result could play WoW, for about $400. Now, my video card is too sucky to play Vanguard. More upgrades ahead, I guess. =(

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14821640)

1) You can't play Xbox 360 games on a PC, no matter how high end it is.
2) $400 is nothing to a lot of people with decent jobs. Sucks when the world is poor I know, but hey- I got a 360 :)

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

BeoFebenna (916590) | more than 8 years ago | (#14822411)

Poor schmuck. Get a new job.

I have a laptop for all my computer stuff. Doesn't have a killer video card, but it displays the internet well enough. So I just got a 360. $400? A BARGAIN for all it does. To all you haters out there -- it's a great piece of electronics. It really is.

And A LOT more multi-purpose than a $400 video ipod. I don't see people having heart attacks over that.

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 8 years ago | (#14823212)

I am willing to accept job offers, currently a student at university however. And I don't advise said Ipods for the non rich either.

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

BeoFebenna (916590) | more than 8 years ago | (#14823314)

More power to you.

My comment in retrospect seems a little snarky, especially considering it was coming from someone who until recently had to opt for generic ramen.

My apologies, best, and good luck.

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 8 years ago | (#14823044)

Who are these guys dropping $400

That's why they'll sell 12 million. After all, the 360 [columbia.edu] originally cost about $2 million each.

Re:Who are you guys paying $400? (1)

octopus72 (936841) | more than 8 years ago | (#14825713)

C'mon. Bill himself is buying few millions of them just to ignite buying hype and get game developers/publishers on board.

Besides games and few rudimentary out-of-box functions, that proprietary box is pretty useless.

One thing they probably didn't count is piracy. Buying hype might stagnate if ways to play pirated content won't be found (soon). In the past all popular console system were pirated, so noone knows what to expect if it isn't.

12 million? (1)

sqeaky (874667) | more than 8 years ago | (#14820972)

How many PS2s shipped day 1? is it just me or is this only a mediocre entry into the console market?

This is a happy-talk "sell side research" firm. (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821057)

American Technology Research, Inc. currently has 60.7% of the securities under research coverage rate as BUY, 37.4% of the securities rated as HOLD, and 1.9% of the securities rates as SELL. -- Coverage list. [amtechresearch.com]

Amtech is supposed to have a performance chart page [amtechresearch.com] where they show their past ratings and the matching stock prices. But a sizable fraction of the companies on the list, like Ask Jeeves and AT&T Wireless Services, are no longer separate companies. Generally not for good reasons.

Peter Lynch, of Fidelity Magellan fame, used to have a framed letter on his office wall from a similar firm. It read "We are withdrawing our 'buy' rating because of the bankruptcy."

Here's hoping... (1)

Red Samurai (893134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821078)

They'll all be buried in a desert landfill somewhere in New Mexico.

This is why they are still hard to find... (1)

mixrecords (931018) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821096)

It's because of people like this [ebay.com] , who go into the local Target or Walmart and buy every system that comes in, just to try to make a little money on Ebay.

Re:This is why they are still hard to find... (1)

geemon (513231) | more than 8 years ago | (#14822257)

Meh...eBay idiots like the one linked to by the parent really irritate me. For those consumers that would consider the 360 as a impulse/semi-impulse buy (as in, I've contemplated buying one but only when I find a Platinum system not in a bundle in a store) these people end up causing more harm than good in the overall life of the system. A friend recently bought a 360 off of one of these eBay people and only paid a 20 or 30 dollar premium over the normal 399 price tag. The guy admitted to him that he is making all of his money in shipping, charging 50 or 60 bucks to ship the unit to the "winner" of the auction. Fortunately for my friend, the seller lived within a quick drive and he was able to avoid the "shipping" extortion charge.

For what its worth, I did see a 360 for the first time in a store this past week. A single base model 360 in my local Target.

Sounds like an Onion headline (1)

Shadow Wrought (586631) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821161)

Analyst Sees 12 Million 360s by Year End

Also sees swirls of colors and "really groovy things."

Yep. (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821720)

It's definitely time for me to start up that business as an analyst. Who's with me?

Electronic Arts will be bankrupt by June.
Nintendo's revolution controller is actually a light-up yo-yo.
Sony drops NVidia as graphics chip developer to go with Mattel, using technology based off the Intellivision.

Now all somebody has to do is submit these as Slashdot stories and get back to me.

I was an xBox Live beta tester... (2, Interesting)

eufreka (793009) | more than 8 years ago | (#14821933)

I was an xBox Live beta tester, and I loved the console. Last week, I let my xBox Live account lapse for good. I only use my xBox as an MCE extender now (a role in which it excels, by the way). Why turn my back on the xBox? Quite frankly, having bought in excess of 20 games for it, and played it since release (inlcuding online). In the end, I don't feel I got my money's worth from it. The good games were few and far between. Improvements to the console and the online service, equally few and far between. And then I spent the last year hearing about the 360 and being underwhelmed, except for the obivous: more expensive, with more expensive games (the second round of 1st generation games, no less!), to play on a more expensive, more heavily advertising-laden service that could NOT possibly be more responsive than the original...given all the basic junk they were loading onto it. Their constant hype of "micro-payments" and "micro marketplaces" only fueled my "micro interest." So now what? I don't know, maybe I will wait for the Nintendo...more than likely, I will reconsider my previously ridicule-fueled opinion of PC gaming. So, the good news? There's one less non-offensive/non-obsenity suggesting/non-hatemongering gamertag on xBox Live.

That's nothing.. (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14822597)

Analyst Sees 12 Million 360s by Year End
That's nothing. I once knew a kid who saw dead people.

Oblivion: The 'must have' game for XBox 360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14822845)

Oblivion is being released at the end of March. I realize that this game will be available both for the 360 and the PC... but for those that are interested in a gaming console, this may be the 'must have' game of the year.

With the release of games like this, many will retire thier old consoles, and get a 360. Not everyone is a PC gamer, and console gamers are more likely to buy a console to play one or two 'great' games.

The delay of the PS3 gives the 360 an opportunity for a few top notch games to come out (we can only hope) before there is any competition for the market. This could cement the 360 into a solid lead by the end of this year... or the lack of good games could give the PS3 the fuel it needs to make its launch.

Actually, it was just MS covering their asses (3, Interesting)

RealmRPGer (889362) | more than 8 years ago | (#14823528)

They way I hear it, the 360 actually didn't do very well because...it didn't do very well. The ONLY actual shortages were in big cities. My hometown always had plenty of units in stock, and MS sold 800,000 of a possible 4 million units thus far. If you've been keeping up, a lot of a companies, including EA and Activision, have recently had large layoffs. MS wants to tell you it's because of a slow gaming season, but if you check things out more closely, you'll noticed that the divisions were next-gen divisions...in particular, 360 development. The companies realized the 360 wasn't doing so hot, so they pulled funding and placed the money in more reliable venues.

Re:Actually, it was just MS covering their asses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14829285)

Seeing as teh 360 is currently out, I'd say that it is "current-gen".

The PS3 and Revolution, however...

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