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AMD Subpoenas Skype

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the who-didn't-see-this-coming dept.


I_am_Rambi writes "AMD has issued a subpoena to Skype in the battle of the anti-trust case against Intel. From the article: 'AMD is now focusing on a feature in Skype 2.0 that enables the ability to make 10-person conference calls only with Intel dual-core processors. Users with AMD dual-core chips or single-core chips are restricted to hosting five-person conference calls because only Intel's chips offer the performance necessary to host the 10-way call, according to Skype. [...] Skype's software is using a function called "GetCPUID" to permit 10-way conference calls only when that function detects an Intel dual-core processor on start-up.'"

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and rightly so! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830502)

So they should. This kind of artificial limitation is IMO, unethical, and counterproductive to advancing society.

Re:and rightly so! (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830526)

Cor blimey. A relevant first post.

Re:and rightly so! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830670)

I am not sure if it was because I grew up in a household with brothers or whether I would have had the same feelings and inclinations had I been an only child but I do know that from the time of my earliest memories I have been fascinated with penises. Let's talk about the "basic penis." I regard oral sex as the highest form of expression of love that can be exchanged between two people. Hopefully this information will help you to break down any barriers which you might have that would prevent you from expressing your love in this way and from receiving a reciprocation from your male companion. First things first. LOOK at the cock. I do not mean a cursory glance not a hurried, surreptitious examination. Take enough time that you convince your companion that some kind of treat is in store for him provided he will allow you to do with him, and particularly with his cock, exactly what you want. Place him flat on his back on your bed, in a well lighted room. Take his cock in your hand and LOOK at it. He probably will not have the will power to stay soft, but then again you are worshipping his very essence. Few men can stay soft under these circumstances, when it is apparent that the person LOOKING at his cock is worshipping. When you first start to touch him, his cock will become hard and be in a state where your examination will be meaningful. Wouldn't it be nice if going to the doctor for an examination was as enriching? The cock must be hard if you are to be able to note the important parts-those parts sensitive to stimulation by your lips and tongue. The first thing you will note is whether or not he is circumcised. Circumcision is not universally practiced: there are advantages and disadvantages to penises in both conditions from the standpoint of providing oral caresses that bring the highest kind of delight to your man. Next take a close look at the shaft of the penis itself. There is a bulbous part of the organ near the outer end, slightly larger in diameter than the shaft, which is often called the head. Technically this is the glans penis (comes from the Latin glans which means acorn. Look at it closely; does kind of look like an acorn doesn't it?) The outside perimeter of the glans penis is the corona. This joins the head to the shaft. This is the most sensitive spot on the penis. It is toward this ridge that you will direct most of your attention when you are giving head. Follow this ridge around to the underside of the penis. You know that I like to call it the underbelly. I am particularly fond of the underbelly! You will notice a point of juncture where the two ends of this irregular circle come together. If your partner is not circumcised, this will also be the point where the foreskin is attached. This tiny area is easily the most sensitive spot on his entire body, and it is possible to bring your partner to climax simply by gently tapping the tip of your tongue directly on it. Spend time caressing the glans and those areas immediately surrounding it. Beneath the glans is the shaft of the penis. The shaft does not have many nerve endings and does not, therefore, provide a man with any high degree of stimulation when caressed either manually or with your tongue to the exclusion of the glans penis itself. It always amazes me to note the number of confirmed cocksuckers who believe that sucking up and down on the shaft will get the guy off. That's not it folks! If it works it is because the back of your throat is playing tricks on his glans penis. Your throat is giving head to his head! Beneath the shaft are the testicles (balls, jewels, call them what you like, but let's not ignore their significance). The testicles are extremely sensitive to pain and are not usually considered subject to erotic stimulation to any particular degree. Not true! You can add a high degree of pleasure for him by paying the right kind of attention to the balls! Now lets go back to the shaft of the matter. The opening in the tip of the glans penis is the meatus. Here is where the cum spurts. (I could have said semen is ejaculated but I did not want to sound too professional). There are other parts of a man's body which respond with alacrity to oral stimulation. Many men are particularly sensitive around the nipples. The first time I kissed my partner's nipples he shot before I had the chance to even get near his cock. While I have not been able to duplicate this in the laboratory setting (he hates to go near the lab with me) my partner still gets extremely turned on by my lingual nipple caresses. So LOOK at your partner's penis. Study it. Learn its areas of special sensitivity completely and be ready to apply your knowledge to his body with your tongue and with your lips when you bend your loving head over his cock. There is nothing that you can do which more clearly shows your love for him than the worship you can provide his cock!
The sad fact is that most people, men and women, do not have the slightest idea of how to suck cock. Most seem to think that simply by making a cunt of their mouth, closing it around a man's penis, and bobbing their heads lustily up and down until he climaxes automatically makes them expert cocksuckers. Au contraire! Consummate skill is required to suck a man's cock and provide him with the highest degree of pleasure possible. When I first started my quest I really had no one to turn to for advise and counsel. It was all hunt and suck. Hunt and suck. Find that one technique that could and would set him on fire! I had to learn from my experiences and while I would not want to deny you the innate pleasure that these experiences will bring I would hate to see you lose a great companion because of your inexperience and lack of expertise. Let's assume that you have taken that opportunity to LOOK at his penis. To explore each area of the penis to find the most sensitive parts. That you have gotten beyond "Parts is parts" and recognize that some parts are more equal than others. In order for you to observe your man's reactions and get the most information possible about his responses try the following: While his erect penis points toward the ceiling, cup his balls in one hand and gently, using only your tongue, lick softly, but carefully along the entire underside of his erect organ. As you suck along the underbelly you will learn those areas that give him the greatest pleasure when your tongue is touching them. Unless he is made of stone, your partner will provide you with vivid clues as to which areas are most pleasurable. As you discover these areas of enhanced pleasure concentrate on them. For most men the most sensitive area will be the point where the ring (or corona) of the head and the foreskin are attached. Or were attached prior to his circumcision. By continued licking and tapping along this area with your tongue you are going to bring forth a geyser. If you are not skilled and you want to please him in a hurry I suggest that you get him off in this manner in order to become familiar at first hand with the nature and delight of his climax. As he is getting ready for climax you will note changes in his penis. These signs will be the same every time he climaxes so that you can prepare for his cum properly. The head of the cock may swell somewhat larger then it is during the normal course of his erection. He may thrust his hips forward as he wants to send his body hurtling out his cock with his cum. And for most men, immediately prior to the cum, there will appear at the tiny, lovely lips at the tip of the cock a clear drop or two of fluid. When you see this or feel the opening at the meateus through his condom you know that the moment of truth is at hand. Launch the torpedoes, full cum ahead! Where should you be when you are sucking his cock? Between his legs, on top of him, in a sixty nine position? Where? Because of the structure of his penis, as well as the structure of your mouth, lips, tongue, and teeth, you can provide the highest degree of sensation to yourself and your partner by kneeling between his legs and approaching his cock from the bottom rather than from the side or the top. Don't believe me? Try the various positions (I describe in later chapters techniques to be used with each position). See what works best for you and your partner.
Place his stiff cock inside your mouth but do not tighten your lips around the shaft. With your head begin a circle motion. The cock will slide to different places in your mouth as you continue the circle motion. Watch your teeth on this one. A kneeling position will suffice but it is also effective when your partner is on his back and your head is directly over his cock. The circle should be executed in both clockwise and counterclockwise motions in a slow purposeful manner. I found many guys in New York who seem to prefer this technique above all others. I met one guy who could circle a cock for hours and I found myself having multiple orgasms while his mouth circled my cock. I didn't lose my hard-on after each cum. When the technique is performed correctly it means many hours of unadulterated pleasure.
With your man sitting in an elevated position and you on your knees in front of him lift his hard cock to reveal his balls. With your tongue find the underside of his balls. Now, while resting his balls on your wet tongue, lick in an upward motion to the very tip of his cock. It is permissible to use your hands in this technique. It is bettor to do this technique several times in succession-like licking a lollipop or ice cream cone. I grew up down south. And one thing about.southern boys. We learn early how to get if off quickly when the need is there. And the lollipop lick is the one technique in this book which few men can tolerate for long periods of time without cumming.
Right now lets discuss a technique that is probably the most common cocksucking technique in the world. Take his cock in your mouth but not deeply. We will get to deep throating later on. It's great, not over-rated, but if you want to be an expert at deep throat start with the right techniques and work your way down, so to speak. Take his cock in your mouth by sliding your moistened tongue lovingly over the head until your lips close around the shaft at the point just behind the corona. Don't just open your mouth and close it around his cock. Slide it in. He will enjoy it much more. Encase the shaft of his penis with your hand. Remember the shaft is relatively insensitive to any kind of stimulation. By enclosing his penis with your hand you give him the sensation of having his penis encased. Now you have several options. Try twisting your head from side to side making sure your moist lips stay in contact with the coronal ridge. While doing this gently move your hand up and down the shaft. When he climaxes he may want to push your head further down the shaft of his penis. He wants to envelop you with his cock. As you are learning his climax you will miss the fine points if you deep throat at this time. Instead gently suck around the corona as he climaxes so that you can intensify his pleasure and increase the force of his orgasm. As you gain more experience you will be able to tell exactly when his climax is approaching and you will be ready for that initial spurt out the rubber.
There is one further refinement to this basic technique which will heighten his orgasm. If you place your thumb at the very base of the penis in such a way as to block the tube through which the cum spurts, the semen cannot escape even though he is spasming and going through the reflex action of ejaculating semen. If at the same time you suck vigorously on the head of his cock you can delay his cum for several long moments. When you finally allow the cum to spurt it will last much longer and be just as intense as a result. Even though you delay the cum for only a few short moments you will be surprised by the intensity of his cum. These techniques are the basis of cocksucking. Do not go beyond them until you have become an expert, not only in the techniques themselves, but also in the reading and interpreting of your partner's responses to such a point that you know exactly how he is getting off on what you are doing. When you have reached this point, you are ready for the more subtle, more advanced techniques. Don't be so slavish that you miss out on the fun of self discovery. Find out what works for you and for your partner and make your cocksucking as individual as your signature. After all, you want your man to pick you out in the dark among hundred slobbering cocksuckers.
One of the first things you encountered when you first started to suck cock was a gag reflex. Most men seem to want to force their cocks down your throat as far as they can get it. Particularly at the moment when they cum! Consider for a moment that the average length of your oral cavity is three to three and a half inches while the average Caucasian cock length is five to five and a half inches. The laws of nature would seem to dictate that getting all that cock into your mouth is an impossibility. It can be done. You probably know someone who can do it and that is why you purchased this book to begin with. It is possible to master the necessary technique. I don't want to be boring, but if you understand your anatomy you will begin to understand the requirements that allow you to take his hard cock into your mouth and down your throat. The biggest obstacle to taking all of his cock down your throat is the fact that there is a bend of almost ninety degrees behind your tongue leading down into your throat. So the first thing to do is get the cock past that angle. Get past the angle of the dangle! In order to practice this, get in a position where you can turn your head in such a way that your mouth and throat lie almost in a straight line. The best position to accomplish this is to lie on a bed so that your head is near the edge with your body sprawled across the bed so that your head is tipped sharply back. This position will put your mouth and throat nearly in a line and will allow your partner to approach you in such a way that insertion of his cock can be made so deeply that his pubic hair presses against your lips.
Today we will practice mastering physical reaction that must be alleviated before the art of deep penetration can fully be enjoyed. The natural tendency of the body to gag when a foreign object such as a deeply thrusting cock being forced down your throat. You can overcome this tendency by completely relaxing your throat at moment the insertion is made. It is equally important that you maintain this relaxation during the entire deep throating. Let him put his cock down your throat and hold it still while you find the most comfortable way to proceed. Because of your position you will not be able to move or to offer him any greater stimulation than simply keeping your mouth tightly closed around his throbbing cock. If you are able try to stimulate his underbelly with your tongue, do it! You will only be able to relax and take his cock in this way if you completely thrust your partner. Your partner is in full control. He must initiate and maintain all the motion. This is the only exercise in which you relinquish your control of the situation to your partner. He will relish this for the simple fact that for the first time he can insert his cock as deeply down your throat as he wants to. Now your partner begins an in and out movement that is just like fucking. He should start slowly, especially if this is a completely new experience for the two of you. After all if he hurts you he cuts himself off from one of the great pleasures in life. His only other requirement during this exercise is to keep the motion in the same direction throughout this oral exercise as there is simply no leeway for him to vary the motion from side to side.
One other word of caution.
Don't let your partner get carried away at the moment he starts to cum. At that spectacular moment he will be able for the first time to thrust his cock all the way inside your oral cavity and that is the most important lesson of this exercise! His only other requirement during the exercise is to keep the motion in the same against your lips as he cums. Because of your position in bed you will not be faced with the problem of swallowing his cum. And this is not just because he has a condom on his dick. The reason is because he has gotten his cock BEYOND your gag reflex! Without the rubber his cum would shoot directly into your stomach! If both you and your partner understand what it is that you are trying to do as well as the possible problems that may "cum" up along the way no harm or discomfort will happen to either of you. It is possible that not everyone will learn the "deep throat" technique but this inability does not make you any less a cocksucker. You must allow your throat to relax completely while your partner is thrusting his cock this deeply down your throat. To do this long enough for your partner to completely get it off is very difficult and may require practice beyond this day. It may be that you will be able to take your partner completely down your throat, but you will not be able to maintain proper relaxation of your throat to until he shoots his load. Hopefully your partner will understand that this is not a rejection of him or of what he is offering you, and it is my sincere desire that you not stop here and think that you will never master the "deep throat" technique. Continue to practice this lesson. I know couples who have devoted ten months to this lesson alone. Continue to practice this technique because your practice will allow you to take his cock deeper into your throat each time and for longer periods of time. Ultimately you will succeed. If you have the desire you will get this one down pat!
Now lets turn to another portion of your partner's anatomy which should not be ignored-the family jewels. Here are two objects which can enhance your partner's feelings more than any other. Many people do not think of the balls as primary sexual objects. Many men are extremely sensitive and just as in lesson eight there must be a certain amount of trust built up between the two of you before he will willingly let you have undisputed use of these two pearls of delight! For today's lesson begin by gently licking his balls with your tongue. As your partner becomes more trusting you may begin to play with his nipples with your fingers gradually increasing or decreasing the intensity as you gauge how he is responding. You may want to gently caress his cock with your hand while you are bathing his balls with your tongue. Remember that the balls are extremely sensitive to pain and he will lose his trust in you if you do not respect any limits he places on them just as you have the right to place limits on the back of your throat until you are completely ready to receive him. It is possible once you have built up this trust to take both his balls in your mouth. He will be more receptive to this if you thoroughly wet them with your tongue prior to taking them into your mouth. Unless your partner is into the new fad of complete body shaving he will have tiny hairs on his testicles. By giving the balls a complete tongue bath prior to taking them into your mouth, you will have pressed these hairs down along the surface of the sac and will not inadvertently cause pain by pulling on them. This may seem a small lesson but you will discover an entirely new world of sensations for your partner when you take the time to get to know his testicles!
I hesitated to include this into your lesson plan but finally I decided that if you are aware of the most safe way to do this technique that my responsibility for giving you the tools to be the best cocksucker you can be will be satisfied.
Analingus. Putting your tongue to his anal opening. Ass sucking. Before you even consider doing this, make certain that your partner is clean. Immediately out of the shower. Place a piece of Saran wrap over the butt. At no time should your tongue come into contact with the anal surface itself. For this lesson place your partner on his back with his legs in the air and his knees close to his shoulders. This spreads his buttocks apart and allows you access to his butthole. You are probably under the impression that actual penetration of the asshole itself is necessary for your partner to receive the most complete enjoyment of this technique. Not so mojo! The nerve endings around the anus itself have no discrimination and you will get him off just as well and as thoroughly by licking around the area as if you stick your tongue up his butt! As with some of your other lessons this technique will not usually be enough to get him to cum, but I feel that it is important to know all aspects of your partner's body in order to give him the most complete pleasure you can. You may find that after many hours of oral pleasure you need to have other areas to concentrate on in order to give him the satisfaction he deserves. Analingus is a powerful stimulant and when combined with other activities such as vigorous hand stimulation on his cock will cause a rapid and powerful cum!
For most of our lessons the only thing required is yourself, your partner, and a condom. Maybe some Saran wrap. A plastic glove or two. Well, another toy that will enhance your pleasure is a mini- vibrator. For this lesson you may want to start with your finger. Then as you and your partner become more accustomed to each other you may find him a little intrigued about the vibrator and what it can do for him. As you are giving head begin a slow playful search around his ass. Many men are particularly sensitive in this area and it will enhance the sensations that your mouth and tongue and throat are giving his cock to feel a finger playing with his butt. As your partner relaxes and allows you access, gently insert your gloved finger into his butt. Go slowly exploring the velvety sensations along the sides of his opening. When your finger is inside his asshole completely you will be at the area of the prostate gland. Massage of this gland by your finger will produce some of the most delightful sensations your partner has yet to experience. I remember going to the doctor for a physical the first time I felt this sensation. I could hardly wait to get home and have my partner try it out on me again. While it was a bit embarrassing to cum in the doctor's office, the feelings that the doctor inadvertently produced were so strong that I wanted to experience them again and again! A gloved finger is really all that is required for this lesson. However some members of the Cocksuckers Club of America report to me that a mini-vibrator works exceptionally well for this type of stimulus. It is just the same length as the average finger and due to the vibrations that it produces the sensations against the prostate gland are even more enhanced! If your partner likes this stimulation you must then discover which method he likes best. Some men prefer an in an out movement with the finger or the vibrator while others do not. I personally find this painful--too much like a stab in the dark. I prefer the finger or vibrator to be placed against the prostate gland and left there to do its most. Whichever method your partner prefers is the one you should use. One other point. When your partner cums there will be a natural tendency for him to push the finger or vibrator out of his asshole. The asshole muscles are spasming and anything in the way will be forced out. But to maximize his pleasure you must not let this happen. Hold your finger or the vibrator firmly in place-- this will help to stimulate the sperm production to its maximum. Many people have questioned me about a vibrator around the cock itself. Does it add to the sensation or not? It does for my partner, it does not for me. That seems to be the consensus of opinion of other readers of FRENCH CUISINE MAGAZINE as well. I suggest as long as you have the vibrator handy anyway, try it around the penis. When you are licking his balls. When you are licking his asshole. If he gets off on it, then feel free to use the vibrator around his dick and balls. If he hates the sensation obviously don't try it again.
There are times when you will want to get him off in a hurry! I always say that Southern boys learn this one first and then expand their repertory from that point. But because I want you to become an expert at all aspects of oral lovemaking I deliberately waited until now to introduce this technique. It differs from lesson four in that you are a more consummate cocksucker now. He will love it all the more if he realizes that this is not the only trick you have down your mouth! It is a very simple technique and if you understand your partner's basic cock anatomy you will grasp this one easily. Place your lips around the head of your partner's cock and twirl your lips wetly and gently around the coronal ridge at the back of the head of his penis. This does not require any great cocksucking skill and it works simply because this is the area that is most sensitive on your partner's cock. It is not necessary to be a skillful cocksucker. All that is necessary is for you to find the most sensitive area around the coronal area. By sucking on this area of his cock continuously you will produce a quick powerful cum. It is not necessary to bob your head up and down on his cock to get him off. One other use of this technique is to get him hard again after he cums and you will soon find him rip roaring to go again.
Don't be surprised if you find yourself going back to this lesson for seconds. We discussed briefly at the end of lesson 12 a technique to get him going again if he has recently cum. Today after you have gotten your man off, lets concentrate on some techniques to get him back on again. Not just to get him hard but to keep him hard. Hard enough to want to cum again! After he has cum you may need other techniques to keep him hard and to keep him interested. Many men (not all but a good portion of us) are exhausted by a single cum and while it is possible to get your partner up again you have a long way to go before you get him to cum again. Cocksucking alone at this time is usually not enough to get him off. You will need to combine some of the techniques you have learned earlier with your basic cocksucking technique to stimulate the juices for a second and third go around. Don't hesitate in your exploration of his body at this time. His nipples, his balls, his asshole. His armpits. His earlobes. For the second cum you are free to really get into his body and explore all those erotic areas that you missed when you were concentrating on his cock exclusively. His navel. His toes. One of the things I find most exciting about the second cum is the lack of expectation that you must get him to climax within a certain time frame. You have all the time in the world to really give his total body a complete tongue bath. You can explore his body safely and completely and really get to know the total body as well as you know his delightful dick! This is merely a sign that you are becoming a true connoisseur of cockflesh. A title I am proud to hold.
Soixante-Neuf Sixty Nine
Sixty nine is not always the perfect way to provide your partner oral satisfaction. Inadvertently one of you will "let up" your end of the cocksucking in order to experience the subtle pleasures the other partner is giving you. For this reason I have included it as the final lesson. Many people think that the deep throat technique is the ultimate pleasure you can give your partner. Actually I believe that sixty-nine is the ultimate pleasure. Done correctly and unselfishly when both of you are completely in tune with each others innermost desires, the sixty nine is the ultimate. But because of the problem mentioned earlier in this lesson, most people practice it too early and it becomes an intensely satisfying experience for one partner at the expense of the other. When you are completely on each other's wavelength you will discover that this is the most effective way of giving as well as receiving pleasure. The element that must be in place is simple: Both of you must be consummate cocksuckers! If you have a partner who is not in the least interested in giving head and only likes to receive it then to attempt sixty-nine is to ask for unhappiness in your relationship.
As editor of FRENCH CUISINE MAGAZINE I sometimes send out questionnaires to our members to find out more. I question them about their desires, and their favorite ways to practice safe and sane oral sex Here are some of the most popular variations on cocksucking. THE BUTTERFLY FLUTTER The best position for this very sensuous cocksucking movement is kneeling over your partner. If he is on his back kneel between his legs. Or kneel in front of your partner while he stands. I like this position because the cock feels thicker in your mouth and throat and you have complete freedom to play with his balls while performing this maneuver. This technique was first introduced to me by a cocksucker in northern California. There was a notorious movie theater in downtown San Francisco with a darkened balcony. A cocksucker's haven. And this guy had us lined up. You knew from the moans emanating from the guy's throat who was getting his cock sucked that this guy was that one in a thousand who knew how to please a variety of fresh cockmeat. It felt so good that I studied him closely while he was sucking cock. Not only did I observe the guys who were getting the radical suck, but I got down close to the cock and observed how he was maneuvering around it. He created the basic vacuum pressure on the cock but only enough pressure to pull the cock into his mouth ever so slightly. With his lips firmly wrapped around the guy's big swollen cock head and shaft he would gently flick the tip of the cock with his tongue. With his lips open around the cock at a depth so that he could touch the tip of the cock with the tip of his tongue. With his lips around the cock shaft he would make an up and down movement with his tongue. He would flutter his tongue up and down the tip of the cock. I recommend you try it. It will drive your Butterfly Flutter partner back into your mouth at any hour you want him there. After several minutes of this continue with the basic vacuum suck. THE TRAVELING FIGURE EIGHT After you have become comfortable with the basic vacuum suck and you have become accustomed to his cock deep in your mouth and throat try this action. It is guaranteed to take his breath away. With your lips firmly wrapped around the cock shaft try very slowly to reach the base of the shaft or as close to it as you are comfortable. Your nose should be buried in or at least touching the pubic hairs at the base of the cock. With your nose trace a figure eight as if the figure eight were lying on it's side. Your figure eight motion should be three to four inches long. Slowly travel up the shaft of the cock to the head, doing the figure eight motion. Keep doing this motion and let your lips firmly travel up and down the cock shaft. Do this for as long as you are comfortable with it. Believe me your man is floating in orbit as his wildest dreams of the ultimate blow job are coming true. I give credit for this most erogenous technique to a member of "The Cocksuckers Club of America" who lives in Oregon. He and his partner were on vacation down in Southern California and they visited me while here. After seeing him scrape his partner off the ceiling when he did the Traveling Figure Eight, I rushed right into my bedroom and perfected it on my own partner! When you get tired of the movement slow down and return to the basic vacuum suck. By this time you are becoming more and more confident with your partner. His cock feels great as it fills your mouth and throat. The cock is becoming harder and warmer as your warm moist mouth and throat create friction by going up and down that big beautiful cock. It is time to cool his tool just a little with this technique. I take full credit for this one myself! From tho time I hit puberty I was fascinated by cocks. Big ones, little ones, cut ones, uncut ones, crooked ones, straight ones. All shapes, all sizes. I wanted to feel them down my throat! Combine this very basic love of cocksucking with an inherent fear of not being able to take cock and completely satisfy the customer and you can imagine how I felt. I needed a technique that would feel good in my mouth and would feel good for my partner. Here's what I came up with: Go down on the cock shaft as far as you are comfortable. All the while your lips should be firmly wrapped around the shaft. Open your mouth as wide as you can and suck in as much air as your lungs will hold. While sucking in air let your open mouth travel up to the cock head. Your up stroke motion should end at the head of his cock just as your lungs fill with air. Now with your mouth still open let the air in your lungs out slowly through your mouth as your opened mouth travels back down the cock shaft. This technique cools the cock on the up stoke and warms the cock with your hot breath on the down stroke. Do this movement as long as you like then return to the basic vacuum suck method. CONGRATULATIONS! You are doing just fine and he loves it! Keep it up as long as you are comfortable with it. For his added pleasure and to give you something to play with reach up and fondle his balls. Or go up even further and play with his nipples. This will give him something else to concentrated on so he doesn't pop his cock yet. If you feel he is about to cum stop what you are doing and let him cool off for a few minutes. After all you are having fun and you want to enjoy his cock as much as you can until you get tired of it. Then let him pop his cock! But not yet. He likes it too much and he wants it to last as long as you can keep it going. THE CIRCLE Place his stiff cock inside your mouth but do not tighten your lips around the shaft. With your head begin a circle motion. The cock will slide to different places in your mouth as you continue the circle motion. Watch your teeth on this one. A kneeling position will suffice but it is also effective when your partner is on his back and your head is directly over his cock. The circle should be executed in both clockwise and counterclockwise motions in a slow purposeful manner.
With your man sitting in an elevated position and you on your knees in front lift his hard cock to reveal his balls. With your tongue find the underside of his balls. Now, while resting his balls on your wet tongue, lick in an upward motion to the very tip of his cock. It is permissible to use your hands in this technique. It is better to do this technique several times in succession-like licking a lollipop or ice cream cone.

Re:and rightly so! (0, Flamebait)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830766)

And yet Skype has absolutely every single right in the world to do it. Just because it makes AMD fanboys cry doesn't mean they can't do it.

Re:and rightly so! (1)

Parham (892904) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830778)

But, having the right to do it doesn't mean they SHOULD do it. It's not entirely wrong, but it's also not appropriate.

Re:and rightly so! (1)

bloobloo (957543) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830811)

Really? I thought that every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy, in restraint of trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, is declared to be illegal.

Re:and rightly so! (1)

SQLz (564901) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830865)

Its an anti-trust lawsuit, AMD vs Intel, so whether or not its ok for Skype to block AMD procs is not the question.

Re:and rightly so! (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830897)

but the only obvious REASON for them to do it would be if they are getting bribed by intel.

it seems like amd wants this info as part of its anti-trust case against intel not to attack skype.

Re:and rightly so! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830864)

This kind of artificial limitation is IMO, unethical, and counterproductive to advancing society.

In what utopian world is "advancing society" a business objective?

Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (3, Interesting)

mrhandstand (233183) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830504)

Skype into this relationship? Why is this not a perfectly acceptable competitive advantage offered to a partner?

Not trolling...whats the skinny on this issue?

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (1)

germanStefan (766513) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830552)

thats why they are being supoenaed (is that how you spell it?). There may be no wrong doing on intel or skype's part, but since AMD is in a lawsuit with Intel, it has every right to know if intel is making exclusive deals to prevent AMD's products from reaching wieder audiences. I wonder what kind of evidence will be found if any.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (4, Interesting)

Azarael (896715) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830562)

IANAL, but I would guess that that is one of the things that AMD is looking to find out with their Subpoena. I think either Intel or Skype would be hard pressed to provide a valid reason why the limit is put in place. Imagine if the publisher a game certified by nVidia decided to limit the maximum resolution possible on ATI cards.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (2, Interesting)

Kookus (653170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830589)

Let's say you go down to your local store and buy a bag of Doritos.
Now let's say you go buy a 2 Liter of Coka Cola. Unbeknownst to you, the seasoning in the doritos reacts violently with Coke and produces sulfer, thus making you spew out the contents in your mouth due to the nasty taste.
Now you find out you should have bought Pepsi, since it does not contain any ingredients that would produce that circumstance in the first place!!! So now you are limited to only buying Pepsi...

Then you find out one day that the substance that is put on Doritos was put there intentionally and is unnecessary in preserving, colorizing, texturizing, or adding flavor to the Doritos, in fact if you took that chemical out, nothing would be different...

Still think it's cool?

Depends (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830638)

Depends who put it there. If Doritos put it there, hey, its Doritos product, and it is a free market. The consumer will decide whether they want to consume doritos with an alternate beverage or consume another chip.

If however Pepsi had some say in the design there are other issues...

*THAT* is the question GP was asking and you completely missed...

Re:Depends (1)

shawb (16347) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830667)

PepsiCo owns Frito-Lay, who makes Doritos. I assume this is what the GrandParent was talking about.

Re:Depends (1)

Kookus (653170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830713)

Doritos and Pepsi are owned by the same parent company. I thought everyone knew that.

Re:Depends (1)

greginnj (891863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830860)

Depends who put it there. If Doritos put it there, hey, its Doritos product, and it is a free market. The consumer will decide whether they want to consume doritos with an alternate beverage or consume another chip.

If however Pepsi had some say in the design there are other issues...
Twilight zone time:

Doritos is a Frito-Lay product ... Pepsico owns Frito-Lay.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (3, Funny)

shawnce (146129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830691)

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Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830712)

Wow... thats awesome :P

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (2, Informative)

afaik_ianal (918433) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830595)

I guess that's probably why they're subpoenaing them (i.e. to answer that exact question). It's very hard to see what's in this for Skype though. It's hard to claim it is a "business partnership" if it is one-way, and AMD can't get in on the action. Disclaimer: just read the username.

You also need to look at what's best for the consumer here. Partership or not, if the consumer is losing out, then it's not good.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830606)

Skype into this relationship? Why is this not a perfectly acceptable competitive advantage offered to a partner?

If Intel is shown to be a monopoly then this is pretty clearly trying to build an artificial barrier to entry and concievably runs afoul a number of antitrust laws in various jurisdictions.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (1)

wrfelts (950027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830720)

Monopoly or not, two companies colluding to lock another vendor out of the market based on false claims ("AMD's chips can't handle the extra load") put both Intel and Spype on extreamly thin ice. From deceptive trade practices to defamation to illegal monopolistic practices (If Intel is found guilty) spell a lot of trouble for both companies.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (1)

ShibaInu (694434) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830793)

Yeah, those monopoly charges really slowed Microsoft down, didn't they?

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830634)

Why is this not a perfectly acceptable competitive advantage offered to a partner?

The problem Intel has is that they have an 80%-90% share of the microprocessor market (depending if you count unit or dollars or desktop and/or servers...).

What might be a reasonable and perfectly legal cross-promotion in, say, the breakfast cereal market becomes anti-competitive and exclusionary when you're the 800-lb. chip-zilla of IT hardware.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830639)

Imagine if Intel paid Apple/Microsoft to artificially limit the performance of the next Mac OSX/MS Vista unless the computer is running the new Intel CPU.

Why is this not a perfectly acceptable competitive advantage offered to a partner?

Simple answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830643)

Why is this not a perfectly acceptable competitive advantage offered to a partner?

As in nature, it's all to do with cuteness. You see when people like something they don't objectively make up their opinion after considering the evidence. They make up their opinion and then seek ways to justify it (much easier, because you don't need to do justification weighting or relativization).

So, the answer to your question is: "It is because intel is not Apple". Intel is not cute and cuddly like the iPod. Intel doesnt have a cult of warrior fanboys poised to justify its every profiteering move.

When microsoft (apple is to M$FT as bunny rabbit is to sewer rat), does what coca cola/restaurants, car manufacturers/car dealerships, do it's regarded as evil. C'est la vie.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (1)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830669)

I think there is a blurry line drawn in the sand where fair business practice is separated from monopolistic and unfair business practice. AMD thinks
Skype is walking the line or may have crossed over it. But I'm just some guy and thats just what I think.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (2, Insightful)

bigpat (158134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830676)

Skype into this relationship? Why is this not a perfectly acceptable competitive advantage offered to a partner?

You are right, Anti-competitive practices are perfectly acceptible in a free market. If, I want to bundle my stereo system with a certain type of car because that car company has paid me to do so or vice versa or has some other mutually beneficial deal, that is perfectly acceptible. But as companies approach having a dominant marketshare we have decided that it is not acceptible any longer because of the ability of one company to extend a monopoly into other areas via these anti-competitive business relationships. There is no question that this practice is anti-competitive in nature, the real question however is does Intel really have that great a market dominance anymore that they could harm the marketplace with this kind of deal.

For similar reasons competing companies are not allowed to engage in price fixing even though it is perfectly fine for them to determine their own prices. Even though it might help the companies involved it will have the effect of hurting the overall marketplace.

So, no it is not about coercion. It is about what kind of collusion between what are supposed to be independent companies we will allow in a free market. And what kind of bundling of services we will allow a dominant company to do when it will exclude competition arbitrarily.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830729)

Why is this not a perfectly acceptable competitive advantage offered to a partner?

It is...... Except if your a monopoly, monopolies have to follow different rules. Intel has yet to be declared a monopoly (or to have violated anti-trust in some way), but this would clearly be deemed illigal if it was, This specific act though does help to show a pattern of abuse, each of which may be legal, but can be combined to form an anti-trust case.. Its all very tricky, but intel knowing they were being investigated for anti-trust really should have known better jump in bed with skype on this issue.
Now if Intel had absolutly nothing to do with skype decision this would be another matter entirly, but I doupt that.

Re:Do we have evidence that Intel coerced... (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830748)

Intel abusing market power to (re)cement a monopoly, maybe? Deliberate hindering of competitors through shady deals with third parties? Punishing consumers by artificially limiting what they can do just because they didn't buy from the right vendor?

Non story, this is a technical issue. (1)

Cornswalled (958023) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830818)

Ten to one Skype found the AMD kit just couldn't handle the load of that many calls. Instead of burdening their customers with inferior performance and choppy connections, they decided to restrict those connections to chips that could actually handle it. Why is there so much fapping over AMD here anyway?

Re:Non story, this is a technical issue. (1)

Dan Farina (711066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830859)

Considering the relatively similar performance of the chips in question, I would be hard-pressed to believe this with epsilon documentation.

Who didn't see this coming? (1)

Azarael (896715) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830513)

As multiple people pointed out, there was no way that this was going to slip through. 6/ [] Intel isn't helping their legal cause when they are waving a red flag waving 'we are anti-competative'.

Re:Who didn't see this coming? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830559)

dont worry i am sure a hacked version will be released that works on any cpu

Re:Who didn't see this coming? (2, Funny)

mapmaker (140036) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830588)

they are waving a red flag waving 'we are anti-competative'.

The other side of their flag says 'And we ar bad spellurs two!'

Re:Who didn't see this coming? (1)

Azarael (896715) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830608)

Meh, so I clicked the wrong button on the Google spellchecker. Everyone knows ./ is not a haven of spelling & grammar anyway.

Re:Who didn't see this coming? (1)

mapmaker (140036) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830652)

Yeah, I know. I wasn't nitpicking, just karma whoring. What, "+1 Funny" mods don't affect karma!?!

Re:Who didn't see this coming? (1)

bloobloo (957543) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830693)

But someone's got to think it was funny first anyway!

Re:Who didn't see this coming? (1)

denmarkw00t (892627) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830744)

Everyone knows ./ is not a haven of spelling & grammar anyway.

Which came first, the slash or the dot?

Re:Who didn't see this coming? (1)

Azarael (896715) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830833)


Well, at least you could say ./ makes sense because it equates being current? Bah, I'm not going to dig my way out of this one anyway.

Good (1)

munboy (732717) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830522)

If the deal between Intel and Skype isn't the DEFINITION of antitrust, I don't know what is.

Re:Good (3, Funny)

bherman (531936) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830692)

This is []

Re:Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830747)

Antitrust - Opposing or intended to regulate business monopolies, such as trusts or cartels, especially in the interest of promoting competition: antitrust legislation.

I don't see how one feature in a privately owned product equates to a monopoly. Hell... write your own damn code to work with AMD.

Related Stories^h^h^hDupes (1)

Tei (520358) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830525)

How fine editor humor,...

Related Stories is about "Intel and Skype Exclude AMD"

Re:Related Stories^h^h^hDupes (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830596)

Hey, its not dupes - those related stories are one of the best parts of the recent update, and I haven't seen any dupes recently - have you?

Heh. (1)

failure-man (870605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830527)

And I thought the Intel compiler ignoring features of AMD chips when it knows full well how to use them was brazen . . . . . . .

Re:Heh. (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830594)

not supporting or optimizing for your competitors is just fine, going out of your way to disrupt or disable their products is not.

Re:Heh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830737)

The intel compilers do basically the same thing that skype does. On one of the usenet compiler groups someone posted a binary patch that got rid of the cpuid check and the performance on AMD chips became similar to the intel chips.

Re:Heh. (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830787)

Yes, but there is a big difference between not supporting your competitor, and getting other companies to not support your competitor. Intel being a hardware only company doesn't have the software leverage to really force people into Intel only. getting in bed with software developers can. While skype is a small example.. imagine in the newest version of Windows purposefully downgraded your experience with AMD.

Re:Heh. (1)

hcob$ (766699) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830717)

And I thought the Intel compiler ignoring features of AMD chips when it knows full well how to use them was brazen . . . . . . .
Not particularly brazen... but smart. Most people who want to make something look good in a benchmark use a complier that gives them the advantage....

Skype needs to correct this. (1)

Luke Marzilli (956520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830529)

I mean come on! AMD processers are JUST as good as INTEL, if not better. Why shold Skype give intel an advantage... Hrm... is eBay makeing deals with Intel?

Re:Skype needs to correct this. (1)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830780)

Yeah, bogus tie-ins suck! Excuse me while I go play AMD/Crytek's 64-bit version of Far Cry, complete with added textures and graphics to trick gamers into thinking the game looks better on an Athlon64 even though such a thing is entirely GPU-dependent.

Not being a programer myself, (1)

flogger (524072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830533)

I wonder how easy would it be to set up an environment variable for "GetCPUID" and have it return a different CPU-ID to the program? If that is possible, I'd like to know how and set my computer to return and INTEL CPU. Once done, I'd like try Skype out with my AMD machine.

Re:Not being a programer myself, (1)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830616)

I believe for legal reasons, an AMD CPU can't reply that it's an Intel CPU. On a technical level, however, it would be trivial to do just that.

I wouldn't be surprised if AMD has some secret way to make their chips look like Intel chips, so that they can test for these sorts of things.

Re:Not being a programer myself, (1)

Ixany (35013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830681)

I'm still annoyed that Internet Explorer can claim it's Mozilla.

Re:Not being a programer myself, (1)

hptux06 (879970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830631)

It isn't actually a subroutine or variable: this is an actual assembley command "CPUID", or 0fh, a2h if you're an opcode obsessive like I am. It's used to retrieve information about the processor, such as caching, version details, and whether features such as MMX are present.

One of the uses is to retrieve the processors name: an intel processor will place the string "GenuineIntel" into registers, while an AMD will use "AuthenticAMD", I think. There is no way to get around this without getting your own, specially made AMD chip.

Re:Not being a programer myself, (1)

Kookus (653170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830678)

Who's to say you can't make an emulator to run skype and have that return the proper string it's looking for?

Re:Not being a programer myself, (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830697)

But a user fo skype could patch the client such that the jmp if uses based on that turns from a condition branch to a unconditional branch. That would break the "functionality".

Re:Not being a programer myself, (1)

1tsm3 (754925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830726)

No! All you need is the interrupts used by debuggers (think it's int 3) and put that instruction in place of the GETCPUID instruction in the Skype program. Then in the ISR for int 3, Fill up the registers the way an Intel CPU would. Task done.

Yes you are "reverse engineering" the program, but the point is, it IS doable. Also this way you don't need an emulator which would be slow and beats the purpose of proving that Skype can run well on AMDs too.

Re:Not being a programer myself, (1)

afaik_ianal (918433) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830650)

But then your computer would fall over in a steaming heap as software attempted to use Intel specific instructions.

I think it's probably easier to just patch the ID test in software that uses it.

Re:Not being a programer myself, (2, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830657)

That's basically how VM Ware works on Windows. It runs the code, but traps privileged instructions and handles them it's self (I realize this is a rough description). Using the same methods I don't see why you couldn't trap a CPUID instruction.

That said, I think it would be much easier to just patch the executable to swap the instruction to get CPUID with a load register instruction or some such in it's place. The only question would be if the software checks it's checksum or has some other anti-tampering feature.

It's not an environment variable (0, Troll)

Augusto (12068) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830675)

It's a function, so you can't override with with an environment variable.

It's not a function (1)

ThinkingInBinary (899485) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830690)

It's not a function, it's a machine code instruction. This means you also can't override it by simply changing the CpuId function in some DLL. You'd have to trap the instruction itself.

Re:Not being a programer myself, (2, Funny)

Warg! The Orcs!! (957405) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830857)

Ok then then Ladies, first one to do it wins.....

Yea, if Skype really cared. . . . (1)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830538)

about processor speed it could simply have a list of processor minimums that it checked against. Or allow the user to set the parameter much the way video clips let you pick "Broadband" or "56k modem".

That's a pretty flimsy excuse... (2, Insightful)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830541)

...only Intel's chips offer the performance necessary to host the 10-way call, according to Skype.

And every other piece of software on the shelf just has the requirements written on the box, and it's up to the user to make sure your system is up to spec. But for some reason, Skype, and only Skype, has to check your CPU's make. Not clockspeed, not memory, not cache or storage space but cpu manufacturer to run.

They're gonna get nailed on this one. Hard. And they deserve it.

Re:That's a pretty flimsy excuse... (1)

BaudKarma (868193) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830739)

They're gonna get nailed on this one. Hard. And they deserve it.

Well, AMD is certainly gonna try. And I wonder what the hell Intel is up to. From the outside, it appears that they handed AMD some massive smoking-gun evidence for their lawsuit, in exchange for a piece of nebulous marketing fluff that 99.9% of their potential customers won't care about. I don't see any way that Intel could come out ahead on this sort of thing, so... why the hell did they do it?

Next Target? (2, Funny)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830551)

Apple, for failing to include AMD processors in their offerings, upon their switch to x86.

Re:Next Target? (1)

JorDan Clock (664877) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830660)

I think that's a different case. That decision could easily have been based on the chipsets available for Intel that included the Trusted Computing (or whatever the name is) features they desired. Also, isn't the switch also to do with the performance-per-watt of Intel, specifically of their very fine mobile offerings? Granted, their desktop processors are quite warm, but their are many other factors. I seriously doubt that AMD will pull Apple into the case based on their choice of Intel over AMD.

Re:Next Target? (1)

goMac2500 (741295) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830844)

And why is Apple obligated to make AMD Macs?

Tsk tsk (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830553)

If only AMD had used open source as the underlying code for their CPU.
Users should be allowed to change their CPU User Agent.

I have a super duper 16 terrahertz mega AMD processor now serve my phone calls biatch.

Re:Tsk tsk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830885)

Sooo you're saying users should be able to create their own ISA and somehow replace their existing CPU with a fresh one from their own fab that has the new instruction set?

Yeah that's totally a good idea.

That took longer then I thought (2, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830556)

Gee, artificially limiting your product to work best with a company under constant scrutiny for being an unfair monopoly. Doesn't skype have any lawyers?

Then again it says a lot about skype that they even put in a hard limit in their software. Since hardware is improving all the time this will make your software quickly fall behind. It is like those software installers that check the platform string and refuse to install if it doesn't match their list. So you have to hack the game to work install on w2k3 (MS greatest gaming platform ever, would want it in a server room but runs games perfectly).

Even if intel launches some 6hgz chip skype would still be limited to 10 callers. Even if you run it on a super computer, skype would still be limited by 10 callers.

Oh well, pretty much everyone here on slashdot predicted this would end up in court.

Limiting your online product to a segment of the market. Oh yeah, the bubble is back with a vengenance. Does their website insist you run IE as well?

Re:That took longer then I thought (1)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830861)

So you have to hack the game to work install on w2k3

Talk about a nuisance! Oftentimes I have to use Orca to hack the .msi file(s) and make the damn installer do its thing. And if you remember, in the beginning even DirectX refused to install on win2k3.

The other way round (1)

biocute (936687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830560)

I wonder if the reaction would still be the same if it was AMD that was chosen by Skype for the 10-way call feature.

Re:The other way round (2, Interesting)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830764)

I wonder if the reaction would still be the same if it was AMD that was chosen by Skype for the 10-way call feature.

I'm sure Intel would respond in similalr fassion. But the geek-public public wouldn't mind as much, heck some would probably be cheering them on. If a school bully picks fights with kids on a daily basis by kicking them in the nuts, how would you feel if kid #147 kicks hit in the nuts first?

Intel has been throwing its weight around for years now to ensure its dominance. The Dell debacle comes to mind. This is just another example.

Personally I'm dissapointed with Skype more than I'm annoyed at Intel. Though if this was AMD then I'd have mixed feelings on the issue: dissapointed yet chuckling.

Re:The other way round (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830879)

AS opposed to those angels* the run AMD.

Of course, I've been reading slashdot for so long, I remember when all the jokes were at AMD's expense.

*by angels, I mean lying bastards who have released chips knowing full well applications with a wide user base would have problems.

Re:The other way round (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830838)

Yes but hey they don't need this kinda tactics... .

GetCPUId (1)

RotateLeftByte (797477) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830567)

I wonder how long it will take someone, somewhere in the world to 'fix' this little feature of Skype? IMHO, it does not take a lawyer to realise this is a very sharp practice indeed. It makes a total mockery of Microsoft's "Designed for Windows xxxx" branding marque. Personally, I hope that Skype gets sued all the way to the bankrupcy court on this one and drage Intel along with it. Consider this analogy Esso/Exxon produce a brand of unleaded fuel that can only be used by Brand X vehicles. If you use it in any other marque then the engine will only deliver 50% of the horsepower that it would in an equivalently sized & tuned vehicle of Brand X. The fuel was able to tell what sort of engine it was being burnt in and changed its chemical formulae of the fly. What sort of rucus would that scenario raise with the users of other vehicle makes. Very soon there would be a million class action law suits filed. Just my take on the issue. I was using IP telephony 4 years ago so skype is nowt new. /s

Nothing new under the sun here. (1)

mmell (832646) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830571)

After all, Intel has strong-armed virtually all the major PC manufacturers to feature Intel chips or face their wrath.

Threats such as retroactively withdrawing rebates and removing future discounts on chip purchases have ensured that the major PC manufacturers in the US push Intel chips. To do otherwise would increase the cost of a given manufacturer's PCs to the point where the manufacturer couldn't be competitive.

Illegal? I'm not sure, but I don't think so (IANAL). Immoral? Duh (IAAHB)!

where are the moderators? (0, Offtopic)

Vicsun (812730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830587)

Does no one have mod points anymore? =( Today 95% (yes, that's right - exactly 95%) of all comments seem to be left with no moderation.

Re:where are the moderators? (1)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830618)

I'd mod you up, but Slashdot hasn't given me mod points in a long while.

Re:where are the moderators? (1)

fwitness (195565) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830705)

I noticed that too. It's very odd. It's as if a million slashdotters suddenly were silenced....

Re:where are the moderators? (1)

JourneymanMereel (191114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830754)

If you were lookin' to get modded.... I think it worked :)

I'm sure someone else has mentioned this: (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830597)

Is it possible that the code that handles multiple connexions takes advantage of an Intel-only instruction? Or register operation? Mayhaps they've managed to get the Skype code to be stable at ten connexions on the Intel, but not the AMD? More overhead? Hoops to jump through? Unoptimised or unstable machine code on the AMD?

I'd love to see Skype's technical case for the rationale behind this.

It had better be good. IT had better be because they're pushing the limits of the hardware and the investment for optimising it for AMD's processor just isn't worth it economically, or technically.

Re:I'm sure someone else has mentioned this: (1)

PoderOmega (677170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830708)

If this was the case I'm sure it would have been in the release notes or FAQ page. What happened here (I believe) was Skype and Intel had a press release that stated that you could only have 10 user calls with the awesome power of Intel hardware.

Proper use of the Legal system (1)

suspected (907639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830662)

Reading this article really warm my heart. News articles rarely speak of proper uses of the legal system.

Mac users? (1)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830696)

I wonder what the Mac users think about Macs now having Monopolistic Intel making the most important hardware component in their ideal computers.

I'm obviously not a mac user. But I know that the Mac users made heavy use of evil monopoly mentality to stoke the fires against MS and Intel in the past. I just wonder if any Mac users feel a bit uneasy about supporting an evil monopoly now that Intel CPUs are the workhorse of every new Mac.

It's an honest question. Will Mac users find a creative way to spin it? Or will some of them now actaully admit that it's a mark against the Apple/Mac reputation and mentality?

Re:Mac users? (1)

jeffbax (905041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830866)

Well, I guess I can answer this as a Mac user and AMD fanboy (or can't?) This Intel iMac was my first Intel computer ever, I gotta admit it felt a little dirty, but when it came to my computing environment of choice vs my CPU of choice (longtime AMD / Windows user), OS X won out. And yes, its a *huge* bummer that Apple won't have Opteron PowerMacs or XServes etc... I don't understand the logic in that, but I guess they want to protect their margins the most and I bet Intel's discount is worth it to the. I know that my Core Duo is quite a strong CPU as is, so its not as bad as if I was using a P4... Its a mixed bag.

Re:Mac users? (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830875)

Like many Mac users, I think it sucks [] . Go troll elsewhere.

Skype Should be Ashamed (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830733)

Skype should be ashamed of themselves. If anything, they should simply check CPU usage and warn against adding more callers when there isn't sufficient horsepower left in the tank for a good connection. To claim, however, that only Intel dual cores have the power to support twice as many calls is pure garbage!

Does any body know.... (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830761)

... whether AMD's lawyers hibernate during the winter? That might explain why this took so long, I have been waiting for this to happen since that deal was announced.

iChat can do 10-way audio using a G3 (5, Interesting)

cuijian (110696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830785)

If Skype really needs extra horsepower for a 10-way audio conference it is impressively lame.

I understand the real time encoding and decoding required for multiperson video is processor intensive but audio streams should be pretty light weight. iChat AV can support 10-way audio conferencing using the now ancient G3 processor. []

With the market share AMD has ..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14830816)

With the market share AMD has how can Intel be remotely considered a "monopoly"? Isn't that just outright goofyness? I would wonder more if this didn't violate the IntelAMD cross licensing agreements. Maybe?

Or. (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830826)

Skype optimized and tested their code on Intel duel core CPUs. Maybe they compiled using the Intel compiler and their code will only support 10 users when running on an Intel CPU?
Intel chips do tend to out perform AMD cpus on programs that are optimized for SSE3. It may be just laziness and not a plot.

Is intel still a monopoly? (1)

blibbler (15793) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830830)

Assuming intel is behind this, it would only be illegal if they were a monopoly. All of the recent numbers show that AMD is selling close to as many as intel is now. Historically intel has been a monopoly, but it doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

From what I've read.. (1)

NoMercy (105420) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830839)

Intel and Skype worked together to produce code which would allow the sound processing to be done faster than it could otherwise on intels processors.

I find it interesting though that after having contact with Intel, they chose to use the CPU ID to enable extra features, rather than a speed test, so fast machines could do 10, slow machines less than that, and have it purely based on the speed of the processor.

If this continues, I'm sure AMD will end up providing an option to give out
false CPUID info, simply switch this bios setting, and you look like a intel... now that'd be an uguly day.

Re:From what I've read.. (1)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830874)

That's 'cause the extra features don't exist.

Modern x86 processors are well documented. There's nothing a top of the line AMD won't do that a top of the line Intel will do (except hyperthreading, which isn't applicable, because they are specifically talking about Intel's new line of core processors, which aren't hyperthreaded). AMD's latest and greatest are SSE2 and SSE3 enabled, just like Intel's offerings. The only thing blocking 10 person skype on AMD is CPUID, not any processor specific features.

Skype must be out of thir minds (1)

Hewhosaysni (780774) | more than 8 years ago | (#14830888)

These subpoenas are irrelavent. Skype's customers will hate them for doing this.

What skype is actually saying:

"I don't care about my customers I'd rather do some crossmarketing with intel, the next time I might omit features for those people that don't have [insert brand here] monitor XYZ"

Skype get the clue stick!
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