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Origami Not A Gaming Machine

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the waste-of-a-good-tablet dept.

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Gamespot reports that despite earlier reports, Microsoft's Origami isn't intended as a portable Xbox. From the article: "As shown in the leaked video, Origami machines will feature a touch-sensitive screen a la Microsoft's tablet PC line, will run Windows XP, and will be priced lower than most full-size laptops, running from around $500 to $1,000. If that price tag seems too low for a mobile PC with a high-end graphics chip--which would be necessary to run the Halo footage shown in the leaked concept video--that's because it is. The AP article says flat-out that the Origami is 'not a portable version of Microsoft's Xbox videogame console,' nor is it 'a music player designed to take on Apple Computer Inc.'s mega-popular iPod.'"

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duh... (1)

solidtransient (883338) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836765)

Of course origami isn't a gaming machine, its folded paper for crying out loud!!!!

weee! being pedantic is fun! (1)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836833)

Actually, it's the art of paper folding, not the folded paper itself.

Oh, hold on... that's what it is in Japanese, but Dictionary.com also accepts your way, so I guess in English, it's all good.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=origami [reference.com]

My guess (2, Insightful)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836779)

It's just an expensive PDA that will do way too many things that most people will never use

We'll see tomorrow...

Re:My guess (1)

mahdi13 (660205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836805)

My dates are all off, it's next week they'll anounce it

let this be a lesson for you kids, get plenty of sleep or you'll make yourself look like a fool in public :)

Re:My guess (1)

bwalling (195998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837414)

let this be a lesson for you kids, get plenty of sleep or you'll make yourself look like a fool in public :)

This is Slashdot, your post fit right in.

Re:My guess (1)

banaanimies (944641) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837423)

You read slashdot. You don't get dates. Thank you all, I'll be here for the weekend.

Re:My guess (1)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837116)

Sounds like a gaming tablet. Basically, MS's answer to the DS. Some place they can get hand-held FPS and RTS games onto the market without sucking up to Nintendo.

Re:My guess (1)

Nikker (749551) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837580)

I don't know about you guys but I just wanna watch Bill show this off and watch history repeat itself. Windows 98 [ozemail.com.au] Windows Live [com.com] CES - XBox [macobserver.com] .

Re:My guess (1)

Egregius (842820) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838472)

Indeed it is [reghardware.co.uk] . Amazing so more haven't spotted the flash vid [osnews.com] yet. (Now taken down btw)

Re:My guess (1)

MK_CSGuy (953563) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838535)

If the price is right it might be good as an e-book reader. Many times I would like to read an e-book or just finish reading some long article/RSS feed in the toilet room/bus/train etc.
You don't need a full fledged expensive laptop for that. Not only that, but the laptop's form-factor is not comfortable in all the aforementioned situtaions.

Re:My guess (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841525)

PDA that will do way too many things that most people will never use

I do not know about you but, if the screen is big enough as well as the battery life I will love it as an e-book reader. I have been waiting for an ebook reader where I can run Adobe Reader to read all my pirat^H^H^H*ahem* downloaded ebooks.

This looks promising, of course I do not think it will get more than 3 hours of battery life, which sucks... and we will have to see the weight also.

A little truth in the hype, please? (1)

BalorTFL (766196) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836781)

Wait a minute... if it's not intended to be a portable X-box, and doesn't have a high-end graphics card for playing Halo, then why the hell do they have Halo playing in the concept footage? For that matter, wouldn't playing Halo on a touch-screen be an exercise in futility regardless of its horsepower? This just doesn't add up.

Re:A little truth in the hype, please? (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836852)

A PC is not a "desktop Xbox" but it still plays games. It's at least possible that the device CAN play games, it's not intended to be a "gaming device."

Re:A little truth in the hype, please? (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836998)

Because by having a screenshot like that out there, it garnered an immense amount of attention. Mission successful.

Re:A little truth in the hype, please? (1)

Keeper (56691) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837335)

It wasn't even a screenshot; someone made a screencap of something that was present for 0.5 seconds of a 4 minute video clip and came to the conclusion "portable xbox! w00t!".

Re:A little truth in the hype, please? (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837389)

Viral marketing at its best. :)

Re:A little truth in the hype, please? (1)

freakmn (712872) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838031)

Perhaps it is a video player, and the person doing the demo is a fan of Red vs. Blue [redvsblue.com] ?

Re:A little truth in the hype, please? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14839151)

The video in question is a concept video and is over a year old - its likely that at some point in the design phase, they toyed with having higher graphics capabilities.

Hmm... (2, Informative)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836791)

Bigger than a newton, less powerful than a laptop, touch sensitive so you have to shield it when not in use, not a large battery life, and running XP.

Wow. What demographic are they trying to hit?

Re:Hmm... (4, Funny)

Sabotage (21481) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836821)

Isn't it obvious?

Management.

Re:Hmm... (3, Funny)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836847)

THe usual one- the stupid demographic.

Unfortunately, this is about 99% of America at the moment.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14836935)

Closer to 36% [bloomberg.com] , actually

Re:Hmm... (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837323)

While liking Bush is sufficient to be proven stupid, its not necessary- there's plenty of stupid on both sides.

Re:Hmm... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837006)

Bigger than a newton, less powerful than a laptop, short battery life. Lame.

Re:Hmm... (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837365)

How about 99% of the globe? I doubt that America has a monopoly on stupid idiots.

Re:Hmm... (1)

excesspwr (218183) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837467)

Yeah I'll stick with my Nokia 770 [nokia.com]

Re:Hmm... (2, Funny)

vertinox (846076) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838130)

Actually they are looking for the stupid and rich category.

According to Dogbert (somewhere on one of scot adams sites) there are always 4 target demographics:

The smart and poor
The smart and rich
The dumb and poor
The dumb and rich

I'd say they are going to the 4th option.

Re:Hmm... (3, Funny)

DarkMantle (784415) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840651)

there are always 4 target demographics:

The smart and poor
The smart and rich
The dumb and poor
The dumb and rich
And here's the percentages
The smart and poor - 2%
The smart and rich - 3%
The dumb and poor - 80%
The dumb and rich - 15%

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14836962)

Wow. What demographic are they trying to hit?


Stupid people! It'll make billions.

Re:Hmm... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837253)

touch sensitive so you have to shield it when not in use

Wacom is providing the technology for that, they use some sort of EM-based position detection system. The screen itself won't have to react to the pressure. Only problem might be interference, I have to keep my tablet grounded for that reason.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837263)

Bigger than a newton, less powerful than a laptop, touch sensitive so you have to shield it when not in use, not a large battery life, and running XP, lame.

Re:Hmm... (1)

EZLeeAmused (869996) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837988)

Bigger screen than a PDA, cheaper than a laptop, battery lasts "all day" (an admittedly imprecise figure). Another post mentioned that the touch screen may be more along the lines of a Wacom tablet. I imagine they are targeting people who want more functionality and easier ergonomics than a PDA, but don't need a full blown laptop and who are more willing to shell out around $500 for an Origami than $1500 for a ThinkPad.

Microsoft may be evil, but they didn't get rich by being stupid. If they think there is a market for such a device, I wouldn't bet that there isn't.

No...not stupid.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838211)

XBox360
MS Bob
The FIRST go-around for tablets.
"Internet is a fad" edition of "The road ahead"
Windows ME

No, MS doesn't create bombs...

Wake up, fanboy...

Re:No...not stupid.. (1)

nasch (598556) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838242)

He didn't say they've never made mistakes, he said they didn't get rich by being stupid. Are you saying that MS DID get rich by being stupid?

Re:No...not stupid.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14839060)

No, I'm saying they got rich through marketing and leveraging a monopoly. Almost everything they have tried on their own has failed. Xbox (the original) is a rare fluke.

Touch sensitive or a digitizer? (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836816)

In the video, they show the screen being used with a stylus, like a Tablet PC. That would suggest a Wacom-style digitizer, which is NOT the same as being "touch sensitive".

Re:Touch sensitive or a digitizer? (1)

skammie (802503) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837032)

It could be a resistive film touchscreen. and it probably is at the price point. resistive film touchscreens aren't very expensive.

Re:Touch sensitive or a digitizer? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837288)

AFAIK it is a Wacom in that respect, Wacom supplies the technology.

Re:Touch sensitive or a digitizer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14839057)

Lots of PDAs use a stylus and are still touch sensitive to fingers as well. It's already known that the Tablet PC version of Vista supports touch screens as well as digizers also.

Re:Touch sensitive or a digitizer? (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14839358)

I know most PDA's are sensitive to any touch, by stylus or finger. I don't actually like that as much as I like the Wacom digitizers, which respond only to the tip of the stylus, are much more accurate, are pressure sensitive, and use plain glass as the touch surface. That's why I hope they would use that kind of input device, and NOT simply a touch-sensitive (like a PDA) screen.

Origami+Exchange kills Blackberry? (1)

engagebot (941678) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836867)

I thought the whole point was to provide a replacement for the Blackberry. If they had a system that was super-integrated with Exchange, they could easily win over all the Blackberry-addicted executives if RIM had to shut down.

With RIM still around, i bet its still a Blackberry competitor. Network admins would love a single solution integrated with Exchange and Active Directory.

Re:Origami+Exchange kills Blackberry? (1)

BewireNomali (618969) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836917)

i think that's what they've got planned with the next gen treo.

Re:Origami+Exchange kills Blackberry? (1)

drachenstern (160456) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841760)

Well, too late for this, but it's probably my fault anyways. I was just telling my wife (non-techie) about 6 months ago how I was looking at purchasing a set of Blackberry-phones for each of us, and month's later, after showing her different models and "why" they were so useful, out comes news of RIM's imminent demise, then I told her forget about it, and now they haven't quite died yet. Mark my words, if I were to support them in this post, they would be gone by next week.

Okay, I'm going to leave them alone now.

Origami is ...so....huge....and...big (1)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14836919)

The Origami is HUGE!

How could anything that BIG and HUMONGOUS ever make it on the market today?!?!

Infact, the Origami is so MONSTOROUSLY BIG that it was big two years ago!

And, no, I don't car if its a gaming PDA/phone or not, since its so big, I wouldn't want one no matter what it does.

Well, okay, maybe you could hide behind it while your friends look for you, that counts as a game, right?

Re:Origami is ...so....huge....and...big (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837240)

I think they should have had really big people using it. like if that were in the hands of shaq it would appear tiny. In one part when the asian girl is holding it in front of her it looks as wide as her waist!

Of course! (1)

davecrusoe (861547) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837060)

Future history will most likely prove me wrong, but maaaaaaybe THIS is Bill Gates' challenge to Negroponte's $100 Laptop! After all, MS smalled the $100 laptop as too large... and that everyone should be able to have one! (And oh yeah, fine print, it's $500, runs a closed-source OS and can't be charged with a hand crank)

Struggling with form factors (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837096)

Sounds like a cross between a Nintendo DS and a Blackberry.

There are lots of attempts to come up with a new form factor and a market niche to go with it. It's getting wierd. Apple's new iPod speakers have the form factor of a ghetto blaster. (There's a strong resemblance between the Apple Hi-Fi and the 1984 Radio Shack boombox with a dock for a Sony Walkman. [pocketcalculatorshow.com] )

It is also... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837098)

NOT a rectal suppository... even IF the company is good at giving it to you up the arse.

You want a game machine that can do biz apps (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837150)

So like when you're *supposed* to be playing games, you can secretly fool around with an excel spreadsheet. Probably would need an instant game restore button so you can pop back into the game quickly so your buds don't see that you're a serious lad.

Transmeta Caruso repackaged?? (1)

Xyleene (874520) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837349)

And it's diffrent from the Transmeta Caruso [tigerdirect.ca] how??? It has a camera, 802.11g, a detachable keyboard in a holster thingy and runs Windows XP.. Cheaper I guess... yes, i do mean that in both ways. This has been around for a while... Move along.. nothing to see here.

BTW I think they are discontinued cuz noone wanted them...

The Transmeta Crusoe is a CPU... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837614)

That thing is an Advue V800XPT-2S

From what we've seen from the videos, it's probably not a whole lot different than some of the Slate style Tablet PC's (which is what the Advue is).

It would appear to come with a docking station, have a detachable keyboard, no camera. It probably has WIFI and Bluetooth, but not Cellular Data (all the people in the Video use a cellphone along with the Origami).

Looks like it may have Media Center Extender functionality, the woman who takes hers out to the backyard pulls up the Media Center Interface and starts music playing on the Desktop PC.

Re:The Transmeta Crusoe is a CPU... (1)

Anonymous Slacker (607727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838867)

I used to have one of those tablets (an earlier revision, the v800xpt, with 256MB ram and a 20GB hard drive)
It was nice, smaller than a laptop (but not by much), built-in Wi-Fi, camera (which sucked, btw), USB, ethernet, modem and came with two carrying cases - one with an integrated keyboard.
Decently packaged, if a bit cheap on the material (but at the time the only tablet PC for less than $1000)
It was slow compared to modern computers (800MHz Transmeta CPU, 256MB of ram with WinXP will do that), did not have stellar graphics (large resolution or high compression movies were a no-go) and pen response was a bit slow (even drawing in MS Paint was a painful experience)
One of the cost-factors which kept the price under $1k was the use of a non-Wacom digitizer. Unfortunately this required the use of AAAA battery in the pen. Not only is this size battery difficult to find, having to house them in the pen made the pen itself less durable and prone to breaking (I cracked one, my mom has since cracked a second).

Other than that, it's still a decent little computer, easy to travel with, good for use with GPS and mapping software, and especially playing solitare (I gave it to my mom for christmas a year ago, that's the primary use it's been getting for much of it's life)

I've since replaced my mini-tablet with an even smaller Oqo, but my interest is also piqued into what Origami truly is.

It definitely looks like a mini-Tablet style handheld.
If so, I'm hoping by now they've managed to overcome the early mini-tablet's shortcomings (listed all too generously above)
MS has since dropped the requirement of a digitizer screen and 1024x768 resolution for a computer to count as TabletPC (the v800 was only 800x600, but they went TabletPC anyway), so they might go straight touch-screen to save costs on Origami.
Hopefully at least they include a decent 3d-capable graphics chip and Intel CPU + 512MB ram if this thing's gonna run XP. Other than that, it shouldn't take too many high-end components if they want to keep the price-point as a sub-Tablet range product.
One more week to see how the speculation plays out, I guess.

Notes from a PSP user (2, Interesting)

shut_up_man (450725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837505)

I own a PSP, and most of my usage of it isn't games - it's mobile video. Even if Origami (or as it more probably will be titled, the Microsoft VistaPad XP Professional) can't do games, I think it has definite potential. The direct advantage it would have over the PSP is that since it runs XP natively, it could play any kind of movie format that is available on the PC without conversion. Having to convert everything to PSP video formats is a pain. That's almost enough for me to buy one right there, although obviously the battery life, screen, weight, hard drive size, wireless options, system toughness and price will factor in pretty heavily, not to mention that this entire thing is still in the "concept" stage and may change radically if and when it ever arrrives on a sales floor.

It's interesting to note that since Vista has such beefy 3D hardware requirements to run Aero Glass, the Microsoft VistaPad XP Professional won't actually be able to run Vista without reverting to XP-style effects. I don't want it to run some horrible lobotomized version of Windows Mobile though.

The other, more interesting question is... will it run Linux?

Re:Notes from a PSP user (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838107)

I own a PSP, and most of my usage of it isn't games - it's mobile video.

But is that because mobile video is cool, or just because the only PSP game worth playing is Lumines and everyone got tired of that nearly a year ago?

Alright, then. (0)

lowmagnet (646428) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837814)

Please don't put it in the game section then. I have MS news turned off for a reason.

Now it's $1000? (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837820)

I'm quickly going from interested to, well, not.

$500 should be the high end of the price range.

Gaff's tinfoil unicorn? (2, Interesting)

payndz (589033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837893)

the Origami is 'not a portable version of Microsoft's Xbox videogame console,' nor is it 'a music player designed to take on Apple Computer Inc.'s mega-popular iPod.'

Then what is it? It's not an iPod, it's not a PSP, it's not a Mini-Xbox, and apparently it's not a computer either.

You know what I want? I want a 21st century equivalent of my Psion Series 5. I don't want a cut-down Windows PC/PDA combo that does 27,000 things, none of them even remotely as well as a desktop or laptop, as a portable - I want something that does a good job with basic tasks like word processing (and things like playing MP3s are now included in that), fits in a pocket, works off a couple of AA batteries and has a keyboard. Stylus plus keyboard may not be the most convenient way of working... but it's better than stylus and no keyboard.

Oh, and I'd like it to integrate seamlessly with OS X. Steve Jobs, are you there?

Re:Gaff's tinfoil unicorn? (1)

two_socks (516862) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838765)

All I can say to that is "Hell yeah"!

I have had palm pilots, WinCE machines, and laptops, and they are all so lacking when held up next to that little gem.

Re:Gaff's tinfoil unicorn? (1)

WhyCause (179039) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840591)

...they are all so lacking when held up next to that little gem.

The only one I ever liked better than the Series 5 was the Revo (for the pocketability of it).

Re:Gaff's tinfoil unicorn? (1)

AlexV (712351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841481)

Yeah, I'd love an up to date Psion too, although I preferred the Revo to the Series 5. Eventually I settled for an HTC Universal, which has the right form factor, including keyboard. Might be worth a look for you too:

http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/02/hands-on-with-t he-htc-universal/ [engadget.com]

Similar Device (1)

Rac3r5 (804639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837947)

Ok, since the original speculation on the orgami device was a bit off. Are there any other devices out there in the market that include a Digital Camera+Video Recorder(min of 4MP and 10X optical zoom), 5GB HDD, GSM Phone, PDA + MP3 player?

I know what it is... (2, Funny)

CoolMoDee (683437) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837977)

It's a chair, that folds on impact, kind of like oragami. It is going to save Microsoft loads of cash with all the chair throwing that they like to do up there.

e-book reader (1)

MK_CSGuy (953563) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838485)

Depending on the price tag, it might be good as an e-book reader + occasional web surfing (if includes wifi).

I think I should warn Slashdotters... (3, Funny)

DiamondGeezer (872237) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838782)

...that I'm a 3rd Dan Black belt in origami. What I can do to you will just a sheet of copier paper can make your eyes water. Remember, that a thousand paper cuts can really hurt!

Halo for PC... (1)

CuBeFReNZy (771060) | more than 8 years ago | (#14839004)

Halo is available on PC though... so although they say not a portable Xbox, does that also exclude the fact that it can run PC games?

xbox? (1)

Cryptnotic (154382) | more than 8 years ago | (#14839794)

running from around $500 to $1,000. If that price tag seems too low for a mobile PC with a high-end graphics chip--which would be necessary to run the Halo footage shown in the leaked concept video--that's because it is.

An XBox costs $179, and it runs Halo just fine.

Re:xbox? (1)

rohlfinator (888775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840756)

An Xbox is also a far cry from being a mobile PC.

Re:xbox? (1)

Cryptnotic (154382) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841249)

The implication of the original poster was that if the machine "only" costs between $750 and $1000 it isn't any good for gaming. It's silly because there are tons of game machines that cost much less than that, (xbox, xbox 360, et cetera) and there are even portable game machines with good 3D capabilities that cost much less than that (e.g., Sony PSP). I think he is assuming that this thing is an x86 machine running Windows Tablet PC Edition. I think that is very very unlikely.

A more likely possibility is that this is a souped-up PDA, maybe running on a top of the line 600+ MHz ARM Xscale processor, running Windows Mobile PocketPC Edition 2006, with some custom applications including a Media Center controller app and a an app for downloading images from digital cameras, plus the usual things like Pocket Internet Explorer and Pocket Office apps. If the device is really souped up, it could have 512MB of RAM plus a couple gigs of flash plus a CF or SD card slot. A LOT of software possibilities open up at a that point, things which have not been possible on PocketPC devices with only 64MB of RAM (or less) and minimal storage.

I think it could be an exciting device. Plus, think of the things you could add to it like a GPS module and run a navigation application (which are almost all based on WinCE anyway). Or maybe a cell phone network data interface and a bluetooth headset to do VOIP. Assuming it has a real USB host port (we'll find out tomorrow, I guess), that is.

It's called the Origami but....... (1)

Magnor (611476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14844546)

does it come preloaded with Folding@Home [stanford.edu] ?
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