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Microsoft Accuses European Union of Collusion

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the can-a-billion-dollar-corp-be-paranoid dept.

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GarbagePailKid wrote to mention the news that Microsoft has filed a formal complaint alleging that the EU colluded with company rivals and hid critical documents during the EU regulation hearings. According to Microsoft: "While the documents provided do not include the direct correspondence between the commission and its technical experts, they show that the commission, the trustee, and Microsoft's adversaries were secretly collaborating throughout the fall of 2005 in a manner inconsistent with the commission's role as neutral regulator and the Trustee's role as independent monitor..."

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This Just In: (4, Funny)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837516)


Emperor Palpatine Accuses Jedi Council Of Collusion!

Film at 11!

Re:This Just In: (2, Insightful)

mr_death (106532) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837885)

Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

Re:This Just In: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837927)

It is make us all feel any happier, this sort of thing (governments using their power to help domestic companies succeed against foreign companies) has been going on for time-out-of-mind.

Recently this practice has reached it's current zenith in the US. Microsoft is just a miniscule player in this old game. I'm not saying that this sort of national nepotism is healthy or right - it's just the way things are.

Re:This Just In: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838128)

And ANOTHER first post for the dimwitted Monkey!
The slashdot crowd is just going wild.

It's just an amazing story, Tom. How someone so retarded could get so many first posts is almost unfathomable. It's all about dedication and devotion to the sport. He's truly focused on his task, undistracted by real world events or even real human interaction, reloading every fifteen seconds. And all his hard work has truly paid off. Those who wrote him off as just another retarded first post whore, criticized him for his membership in the GNAA, or questioned whether his pathetic I.Q. would prevent him from success can only ring their hands and wonder.

Maxine Hong Kingston must be so proud.

Back to you, Tom.

Big babies (1)

mrsulu (958319) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837521)

Dime late, dollar short, I say. I thought this thing was over and done with.

Re:Big babies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837679)

The EU would never do such a thing! *cough*Airbus*cough*

MS blames everyone else. (4, Insightful)

yagu (721525) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837523)

This is more of the same. Microsoft doesn't seem to have enough fingers to point for blame, of course, except for at anyone but themselves.

A previous slashdot thread discussed Microsoft's "published" documents [slashdot.org] whereby Microsoft, unsuccessful in their attempts to win over the European Union, instead published their documentation and responses, trying to drum up public support for their ostensible compliance.

Now Microsoft wants to blame the EU and other companies for colluding against them. Poppycock! There would be almost no other way to define the complaint... it basically is about other companies, and Microsoft's tactics in that marketplace. Yes, the EU plays the heavy here, but it is not in cahoots with the other companies.

Microsoft was asked to provide API documentation, they instead offered to license their source (with restrictions), which is in no way the same thing and is an inappropriate substitute.

Of course the EU is going to be discussing this with other companies -- the other companies are the ones injured in this action, and their observations are key in determining real Microsoft compliance.

Re:MS blames everyone else. (1)

Low2000 (606536) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837568)

The problem I see is, and I don't have any links to back this up... ... I've read that the problem is the EU is failing to disclose specifics on EXACTLY what kind of documentation is acceptable.

Will someone correct me if I'm wrong?

Re:MS blames everyone else. (3, Insightful)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837666)

If you ask for documentation that's "useful and light on the bullshit" you'll get compliance from the folks who are interested in actually providing useful documentation. The people who don't really want to help you out will complain that "useful" is too vague.

Re:MS blames everyone else. (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837757)

But Microsoft did indeed provide some 2700 pages of documentation, which the EU rejected for various ambiguous reasons.

Re:MS blames everyone else. (1)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837852)

2700 pages? There has to be a pony in there somewhere, keep digging.

Re:MS blames everyone else. (3, Funny)

freakmn (712872) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838063)

Nah, they just clicked on Windows Help and Support in XP, and printed out the whole thing. Nothing remotely useful there.

Re:MS blames everyone else. (4, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837805)

I've read that the problem is the EU is failing to disclose specifics on EXACTLY what kind of documentation is acceptable.

The EU asked for documentation that was complete enough that other companies could code to all the same interface that MS does as judged by several previously agreed upon parties. The first of those parties rejected the initial offering saying it was not usable or up to industry standards. Seeing as this person is someone MS picked to judge this, I don't see how they can find fault with his findings.

Since it would be illegal to publish all the communication in between MS and the EU council none of us can know for certain what is going on, but I think most of us can make some pretty good guesses. MS wants to provide the minimum available information to convince the EU that they have given them what they need. They probably don't have good info documenting this and instead of making it they gave them broken docs and then tried to rope them into an alternative to giving them the docs.

With hundreds of millions of dollars on the line you'd think they could hire some people to exhaustively document the APIs, and you'd be right. The problem is MS does not really want to do that because then they might have to compete on even ground for the server space and that is a fight they can't win with their currently inferior and more expensive product. So they delay and spread FUD while trying to pay off the right people. Even if they lose and have to pay the fines it might still be a good business move for them. The fines are a tiny portion of the profit from their monopoly in the EU and extending that into the server market illegally as they are now doing is a good way to protect that monopoly and expand it.

Re:MS blames everyone else. (4, Insightful)

bigwigeconomist (957978) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837630)

Of course Microsoft blames everyone else.... Everyone else blames Microsoft. Regardless of the merits of the EU's case against MS, it's important that the trial be fair and appropriately handled and, if Microsoft has reasonable evidence to the point, they have the right to claim damages.

Re:MS blames everyone else. (1)

GaepysPike (450123) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837665)

Somebody mod this one up.

You forget ... (0, Redundant)

AnonymousPrick (956548) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837807)

this is /. . Bashing MS is still the best way to karma whore.

What happened to the days when MS, along with Apple, was the hero because they were against the big bad IBM monopoly. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Phillipe Kahn, and others, were heros because of their success and they were leaders of a new age.

It's funny, how things change. I understand why old people are the way they are. Fuck! I'm becoming an old guy!

hey kids! Get out of yard!

I've got to go...goddamn kids!

Re:You forget ... (1)

just_another_sean (919159) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838076)

What happened to the days when MS, along with Apple, was the hero because they were against the big bad IBM monopoly.

Oh I don't know. Maybe those days ended when Microsoft was forced to settle [usdoj.gov] with the US Dept. Of Justice or risk being guilty of antitrust violations?

Re:MS blames everyone else. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837810)

Of course Microsoft blames everyone else.... Everyone else blames Microsoft.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't being blamed a usual part of being accused of committing a crime?

This is in no way "wahhh, everybody's ganging up on me!" any more than bank robbers could claim that the police and witnesses "gang up on them".

Re:MS blames everyone else. (4, Interesting)

replicant108 (690832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837732)

What's interesting about this is MS's increasingly aggressive stance towards the Commission. There seems to be some tension between the stance taken by the Commission on software patents (where McCreavy in particular is seen to be strongly influenced by MS) and these anti-monopolistic actions.

One wonders if an antagonistic relationship will be beneficial to our favourite monopolist in the long run... Is this a sign of desperation or of arrogance?

Re:MS blames everyone else. (1)

Zaiff Urgulbunger (591514) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837879)

Perhaps they [MS] can't see it ever really working out well long term, so they're just using delaying tacktics to put off the inevitable?

Re:MS blames everyone else. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838033)

What is the worst the EU can do beyond making noise and sending threatening letters ?
What if they simply told the EU to go to hell ?
What can the EU do?
Make noise ? threaten them?
Tell the they cant sell their stuff there no more ?

Re:MS blames everyone else. (2, Insightful)

replicant108 (690832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838100)

What is the worst the EU can do beyond making noise and sending threatening letters ?

Support open document formats?
Promote free software procurement policies?
Permanently block software patents?
Implement more stringent anti-monopoly measures?

That's just off the top of my head.

I'm sure there's other stuff they could do.

Re:MS blames everyone else. (1)

Cycloid Torus (645618) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837819)

Why didn't they just comply? Is it possible that MS can't provide API documentation easily? Could it be in such a state that it is not "deliverable"?

Re:MS blames everyone else. (0, Troll)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838129)

The EU has more evil in its little pinkie than all of Microsoft. Microsoft is annoying. The EU is scary.

Known Fact? (2, Interesting)

biocute (936687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837526)

I thought everybody knows that Microsoft's rivals are constantly trying to bring it down?

Re:Known Fact? (2, Insightful)

dotpavan (829804) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837706)

that is not the point, the point is EU (being a or supposed to be a neutral agency) colluded with them. Nothing wrong in competition doing that, but not the judge. (believing by what MS says)

Re:Known Fact? (4, Insightful)

penix1 (722987) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837912)

Which is pure BS. When MS got ruled against in the US the first thing they did was focus on the judge and the court to find a reason to water down the "final settlement". They are doing the same thing here....

Look at the Wookie!

B.

Re:Known Fact? (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837951)

You have companies accusing Microsoft of various bad behavior. You have a lawful commission demanding information from MS to make a determination. You have MS playing all sorts of nasty tricks and now snivelling about the commission colluding with the competitors. That's like saying the prosecution in the OJ Simpson trial were colluding with the victims' families.

Outcome (-1, Troll)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837530)

I'd like for Microsoft to win this, be eligible to sue the EU for several billion dollars more than what the EU can get off Microsoft, and then all sides play by the rules for the rest of the debacle.

Re:Outcome (4, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837839)

I'd like for Microsoft to win this, be eligible to sue the EU for several billion dollars more than what the EU can get off Microsoft, and then all sides play by the rules for the rest of the debacle.

What the hell are you talking about? MS built their business model around intentionally breaking the laws and once convicted of that are trying to avoid complying with the punishment the courts handed down. And they're doing the same thing in the US, where the DOJ appointed "watchdogs" have reported that MS has also failed to comply with what amounted to a slap on the wrist. It's as if you shoot someone, get convicted, but only given six months probation and a $500 fine because you pay off the judge, and then you don't even fulfill your probation terms.

The "rules" in this situation are the laws which MS is continuing to break and making a bundle doing so. They need to be broken up into multiple companies so this crap stops.

Re:Outcome (1)

flimflammer (956759) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837959)

I strongly agree.

Isn't all forms of government (1)

cybrthng (22291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837535)

convuluted, one sided and decided by those who scream the loudest and push the most money to the right people?

Suing microsoft is about the dumbest thing in the world with all of the problems societies across the world face. Tax dollars and legislative time should be better spent on real issues not internet explorer and windows media.

Re:Isn't all forms of government (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837636)

perhaps it seems like a waste because something like a simple media player sounds like a pretty piddly thing to be worrying about. which realistically it is, however when you see that a ruling of this nature applies to much more than just one little application, but a whole range of them, it really takes it back to the whole fact that Microsoft basically wants every piece of your PC system to run Microsoft applications only. This way, they can justify charging you more money, or in the very least keep money from flowing to competing applications who never have a chance to begin with since most people are likely to use what it comes with. The only way it could be worse is if MS tried to make it so you simply couldn't use anything but software they approved of use, and I think if they could have it this way, they probably would.

Re:Isn't all forms of government (1)

user317 (656027) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837844)

owever when you see that a ruling of this nature applies to much more than just one little application, but a whole range of them, it really takes it back to the whole fact that Microsoft basically wants every piece of your PC system to run Microsoft applications only.


Since when does the government knows what is the best design for an operating system? This is completely ass backwards for a goverment to tell MS how to design their OS, what applications to bundle it with and how integrated they should be. If the EU is unhappy with the product, why don't they mandate that EU goverment should use an alternative, like OSX, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, or the multitude of BSD and Linux. There are plenty.


This whole lawsuit just seems like a couple of competitors that are loosing market share because they are slow to inovate. Honestly, if there are that many competitors that MS has "unfairly" attacked why dont they team up together and promote an alternative platform for their applications.


In the end its the applications that matter, not the platform that delivers them. If their applications are so great, yet its the platform that hinders them, then they should have no problem convincing the market to change. All I see is the market working how it should be, RealPlayer is the worst application ever written and should die.

Re:Isn't all forms of government (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837883)

"The only way it could be worse is if MS tried to make it so you simply couldn't use anything but software they approved of use..."

If I understand it correctly, with TPM/DRM they conceivably could.

Re:Isn't all forms of government (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837688)

Aww, come on! Someone has to make the Lawyers and /. Advertisers rich!

-Rick

Re:Isn't all forms of government (2, Insightful)

scuba0 (950343) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837806)

This is not only about Microsoft. This is about multiinternational companies supressing smaller companies for their own profit. In this case Microsoft is locking third parties outside of the software market for servers and desktopts using OS from Microsoft. By reading your comment it seams like you like companies and not goverments to rule. In that case, why do we have a goverments at all? You comment tax money, what should they be used for if not to protect the goverments citiziens and corporations. Sure there will always be "more important" issues to spend the money on but that doesn't mean that they won't talk back to Microsoft just because it costs more than if it where a small company.

Re:Isn't all forms of government (4, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837877)

Suing microsoft is about the dumbest thing in the world with all of the problems societies across the world face. Tax dollars and legislative time should be better spent on real issues not internet explorer and windows media.

The EU is not suing Microsoft. They are overseeing MS's punishment for breaking the law. You might as well argue "tax dollars should not be spent collecting fines from convicted litterers. Just because we went to the expense of trying them and finding them guilty there is no reason we should waste time actually getting the money from them or making sure they do their community service."

Microsoft intentionally broke the law for profit. They are still doing it. They were convicted of it in a number of jurisdictions. You don't think they should be punished for that? You don't think they should have to obey the laws? You don't think something should be done to discourage them from doing it again?

Irony, indeed... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837541)

... but such things often happen in Biff Henderson's Realm of Mystery.

Seriously, one arrogant bureaucratic monopoly accuses another one of cheating. Hell, that's theater. Somebody pass the popcorn!

And? (1)

SheeEttin (899897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837550)

And has Microsoft ever not done this?

Obvious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837572)

Microsoft isn't admitting to their loathsome business tactics? No shit...

ROFLMAO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837582)

Is this the same Microsoft? [zdnet.co.uk]

Now, let's see how much sympathy we as a community can collectively muster...



Can't anyone spare a thought for those poor starving MSFT investors?

More important news (2, Funny)

wetfeetl33t (935949) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837594)

Meanwhile, in other news...
Reports of heavy breathing sounds in the forest and a string of grisly murders have raised fears that Steve Ballmer has returned to Europe!

Re:More important news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837778)

rumours have it that the EU parliament is going to fly in dick cheney to aid in the hun.. err, search for steve ballmer...

Childhood (3, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837597)

Reminds me of an argument some 5 year olds would have
"Your a colluder "
"No I'm not , you are"
"Takes one to know one"
"I'm telling "

Re:Childhood (3, Funny)

hamfactorial (857057) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837707)

"Your a colluder "
Children these days misspell even while speaking? Oh the humanity!

Re:Childhood (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837854)

Kids those days don't speak anymore. They only communicate by IM chats.

Re:Childhood (1, Informative)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837887)

Um , that is the correct spelling ;) .
UK English

Re:Childhood (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838004)

Prick.

Re:Childhood (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838056)

Well at least you know how to spell that. How about going for a six letter word next.
Ignoramus.

Re:Childhood (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838146)

Asshol.

Re:Childhood (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838068)

You're wrong.

Re: Sigh... (1)

Jim_Callahan (831353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838096)

Haha, you got a +5 informaitve. Apparrently the mods broke their joke-o-meter today.

Conspiracy Theories (1)

aralin (107264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837633)

I thought that only Microsoft opponents resort to conspiracy theories, like the lovely Halloween documents and others, but it looks like Microsoft is learning from their opponents just another trick.

Alternatives to ./ ? (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838077)

Documents are not theories. If you despute them, prove it.

More importantly, this place is becoming FUD Central. Suddenly lots of commenters are pro-microsoft, even when it makes no sense. It was always provocative, but never this non-sensical until recently. I'm convinced Slashdot has been targetted by Microsoft in a PR offensive.

Could someone please point me to sane /. alternatives?

Conspiracy Theories? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838113)

Conspiracy Theories? The Official response from Microsoft [tinyurl.com] may interest you...

Erp! (1)

duffel (779835) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837634)

At first glance I read "Microsoft Acquires European Union ... ".

Oh, come on we can all see it coming!

Yawn... (1)

mcho (878145) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837637)

Yawn -- I just dropped the kids of the pool...where's the usual 20+ stories about Google and Apple? I want to read about speculation and not how a bully is getting bullied.

Ha! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837640)

Pot, I'd like you to meet kettle.

The pot calling ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837676)

... the kettle black.

Re:The pot calling ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837711)

What do you have to bring racism into this?

Hey Microsoft.. (1)

GmAz (916505) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837702)

Hey Microsoft.... [Cookie]?

Accusations (1)

Syberghost (10557) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837714)

Next they'll accuse them of having a monopoly on European government.

It's all about efficient execution.... (1)

freerangegeek (451133) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837723)

Obviously Microsoft would complain about collusion. They've determined long ago that being a monoply is much more efficient for trampling the victim.

What's good for the goose... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837735)

is good for the gander, motherfuckers!!!

So? (1)

EiZei (848645) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837737)

So what are they going to do about it? Stop selling in the biggest economy of the world?

Gasp! Shock! Horror! (5, Insightful)

rewt66 (738525) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837741)

So let me see if I have this right: Microsoft has been required to publish specifications for it's protocols so that other people can make the same OS calls as Microsoft apps can make. The point of the documentation is that it be useful to other companies. So in the process of determining whether Microsoft has actually produced documentation that meets the requirements, the EU checks with other companies! Oh, the horror of collusion!

Give me a break, Microsoft.

Translation: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838028)

I've clearly never written any sort of program, so I'm just going to make a guess about how things are done and bash Microsoft, because really a government crapping on 300 million people is awesome as long as they are smokers or Microsoft customers.

Also, I need Karma for my GNAA trolling.

Re:Gasp! Shock! Horror! (1)

Jim_Callahan (831353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838061)

I think the objection here is more that the relationships between the consulted companies and the commission were cloak-and-daggered instead of being open to public(including Microsoft)'s scrutiny. Just because their motivation is to protect their company's interests doesn't mean that they don't have a valid point.

No *YOU'RE* hiding documents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837742)

Commission: "Microsoft you're hiding the documents"
Microsoft: "No, you're hiding the documents"
Commission: "Microsoft you're failing to comply"
Microsoft: "No, YOU'RE failing to comply with knobs on"

Yawn, same old crap from Microsoft.

So what? (2, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837750)

It's the EU who has the final word. They'll simply dismiss Microsoft's formal complaint.

Big fish, meet bigger fish. [Nelson]HAH HAH![/Nelson]

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838036)

It's the EU who has the final word. They'll simply dismiss Microsoft's formal complaint.

If the EU has the final word, then why have they still not gotten Microsoft to comply with local antitrust laws after several years of trying?

Re:So what? (1)

Jim_Callahan (831353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838154)

Yeah, circumventing your own laws to go out of your way to harm a company whose business supports a large number of citizens in a country with more clout than you... yeah! Then you can weaken your own legal system, suffer internal liberal backlash, and send a message to one of your biggest allies that you make a habit of dealing in bad faith! Brilliant!

They'll deal with the complaint the way they're supposed to deal with a compliant, investigating it and making a descision based on the law.

Why does the EU even care? (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837758)

How many of these companies are actually European?

Re:Why does the EU even care? (1)

und0 (928711) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837833)

I wonder how many of these customers are european?

Re:Why does the EU even care? (1)

quintesse (654840) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838001)

So you think the EU should not care when an US company does something wrong in Europe and when it does it should only try to find help from European companies to find out what it did wrong?

So how about people? Shouldn't we care if an American kills another American on European soil?

Personally I'm glad they care.

All and none. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838058)

Today's corporations are multinational. They are also above the law everywhere... didn't the EU get the memo?

Corporate Policy Forbids It! (1)

mpapet (761907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837761)

I could see how this could happen:

-Maybe they have trademarked the word and process for databases?
-HR would never speak "they who must not be named" word.
-Corporation has a policy specifically forbidding the use of the word.
-Sales thinks they are a customer, but HR has forbidden the word be spoken, so they use the phrase "negotiation organization" instead.

It seems quite logical now....

Well you have to remember something... (2, Insightful)

Chowderbags (847952) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837836)

Microsoft is so used to being the only player in town that any two groups working together looks like collusion to them.

The EU is more corrupt than Microsoft. (1)

Deputy Doodah (745441) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837838)

One of the organizations that is more corrupt than Microsoft is the EU. History (especially recent history) supports my statement. I think Microsoft may be right in this case.

Well then... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837898)

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Re:The EU is more corrupt than Microsoft. (3, Interesting)

Ullteppe (953103) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837942)

Nobody is saying Microsoft is corrupt, they are saying that Microsoft is abusing its market position. There's a big difference.

Now, perhaps you could list a list of SPECIFIC cases where the EU is seen as corrupt? Also, please refresh my memory about how the EU is even remotely as bad as the Bush administration (Halliburton, oil companies etc.) in this regard?

Re:The EU is more corrupt than Microsoft. (1)

trixy_1086 (687653) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838030)

Please quote the portion of the parent post that mentioned the Bush administration, hence eliciting your reply. I don't understand why a discussion of Micrsoft vs. the EU all of a sudden necessitates pointing out that the Bush Administration is corrupt. I'm not saying that I disagree with you, but the bashing seems quite unnecessary and out of context, and just makes you look silly.

Re:The EU is more corrupt than Microsoft. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838067)

No need to drag the US's sad state of affairs into it.

Re:The EU is more corrupt than Microsoft. (1)

Goeland86 (741690) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837956)

I beg to differ. Imo, MS is desperate and trying to fling mud around. The commission has historically been rather clean of the corruption. And for corruption, I'd like to see how the US FCC or other agencies compare to the EU's commission.
Seriously, they're scared that the EU will spawn a continent where MS is either broken to pieces and has to compete, or a continent without MS altogether, which would then let Apple get a bigger hold, and *gasp* Opensource even more so.
Remember that the idea of profit first is typically American, helping others is a cultural reflex shared by most EU countries, unlike the States... So companies that set a standard in the EU will probably respect it and play fair game. Sure there's bound to be some under the table dealing, but if it's found out, it gets killed a lot more rapidly. And most of the governments in the EU make lobbying illegal! The UK's an exception, but it's frowned upon there, so it doesn't happen as much as here. Government in the EU is actually about who screams the loudest, not who has the biggest wallet. Which puts people on par, bigger wallet doesn't mean louder voice... So just let the EU crank down on MS, they deserve it even if it's not by a "holy" organization.

Re:The EU is more corrupt than Microsoft. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14838032)

lol what magical world do you live in? if you think governments in europe are less corrupt then in the USA then you're dreaming. They care just as much about big wallets as anyone else, oh and don't worry, MS won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

Re:The EU is more corrupt than Microsoft. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837965)

Microsoft may be in the right but I don't care, they need bringing down a peg or 462 million. It's like watching the playground bully get knocked around by the teacher who also happens to be a champion prison boxer and is virtually immune to prosecution.

EU to Microsoft: Give us your dinner money
Microsoft to EU: Here, this is all we have
EU to Microsoft: You are lying, we want ALL your dinner money
Microsoft to EU: We're going to tell on you
EU to Microsoft: That's very interesting. Now drop your pants and bend over.

Both parties are evil but one had this comming all along and everybody knew it but them.

Re:The EU is more corrupt than Microsoft. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837969)

>>History (especially recent history) supports my statement

Links please to support your statement????

Truly amazing (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837862)

First they refuse to comply with the law. Then they refuse to comply with the judgement against them for breaking the law. Then they publicly agree to comply with the judgement against them for breaking the law, but don't ever begin to actually comply. Then they do a bunch of stuff unrelated to the judgement and complain that they're still being expected to comply with the judgement against them for breaking the law. Then they accuse the people judging them of breaking the law.

Microsoft is more powerful than governments, and the governments don't seem much to care.

Microsoft accuses EU of collusion? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837876)

Hey, Bill and Steve, how's it feel to be on the receiving end this time?

Nothing new, move along! (1, Interesting)

Gadzinka (256729) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837908)

We have similar case in Poland right now:

A killer sentenced for 25yrs in prison is suing for libel the parents of his victim. He raped and killed their daughter and when they publicly told (after he was convicted) that he is "animal" he sued them for libel.

Robert

PS Since he is currently in prison, w/o any source of income, the state will provide him an attorney for free, while his victims will have to pay for an attorney. Hope that MS won't get free legal advice.

My heart bleeds... (1)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837939)

Of course Microsoft aren't guilty of those tricks at all

Rivals? (1)

Snap E Tom (128447) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837944)

Microsoft has rivals?

It's true (1)

OriginalArlen (726444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14837946)

We're all in it together.

More about US than EU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837958)

Complaining about the EU isn't going to get Microsoft anywhere within the EU. I think they are looking for a post-hoc rationalization about EU decisions to reduce the impact of those decisions domestically and in emerging markets.

Please do it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14837979)

Please do it, Bill. Please. Please legally take on the one of the few entities on this planet which actually has more dough to spend than you do. Please. Make me laugh.

This just in... (2, Funny)

coastin (780654) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838046)

Drinking water at MS headquarters found to be contaminated with LSD.

Illegal Software (1)

Ecko7889 (882690) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838085)

What happens if Microsoft doesn't get consent from the EU? Does Microsoft Windows become illegal to sell, produce, or distribute in the EU? I guess it's not really clear in the whole argument between EU and Microsoft, what they are truly fighting for...

Rape Defendant Accuses Court of Collusion! (1)

geekwithsoul (860466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838172)

Dateline: European Union, March 2

Alleged rapist Mike Roesopht and his lawyers today said that the judge presiding over his trial has been acting in collusion with his accusers. "Everyday the judge just flaunts the fact that he's listening to my accusers and their technical experts" Rowsoft is reported as saying. When asked if the judge in the case had been ignoring Mr. Roesopht, he replied that "Well, there was a bunch of evidence that he asked for, but I didn't feel like giving it to him. After all, then he'd convict my ass. And besides, the evidence is mine, all mine!" Immediately after this statement, the defendant got up and started throwing chairs.

Why i sorely want microsoft to lose this (3, Insightful)

Xiph (723935) | more than 8 years ago | (#14838195)

I'm a citizen of Denmark, a European Union country. I'm a computer science student and game developer.
It's my belief that if the EU loses this, EU will be prevented from properly acting as a market watchdog in the future, hampering competition on european markets.
Read it likes this: it will cost me money and oppertunities.

It is also my belief that if Microsoft Corp. loses this, it will cost them money, and seeing as I'm a software developer I like that prospect, due to the way Microsoft Corp. works to stiffle innovation by promoting software patents (here i should also bash ibm, sun and others!).
[blah] While it is my view that software patents CAN be implemented in a decent way, I think that our current patent system is not up to speed with modern society, most importantly patent durations are WAAAY too long.[/blah]

Hopefully a big slap on the wrist of Microsoft Corp. will increase my chances of having success as a computer scientist.

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