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More 'burned groin' stories? (1)

guyfromindia (812078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840396)

Like these (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2503291.stm [bbc.co.uk])... Seriously, heat generated by laptops, "tank" of methanol, and everything close to something 'precious' is a little un-nerving!

Re:More 'burned groin' stories? (2, Interesting)

Firehed (942385) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840494)

You think them going from "laptops" to "notebooks" was just marketing strategy?

Re:More 'burned groin' stories? (2, Insightful)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840547)

Get a laptop cooler. Even if you don't want to use the fan, it still keeps the heat away from the family jewels.

Re:More 'burned groin' stories? (1)

Monster_Juice (939126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840549)

Your right I am going to skip the new tech on burned groins and go old school on this....I'm buying a Gateway laptop.

Re:More 'burned groin' stories? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14840602)

Why? You'll never use it.

Re:More 'burned groin' stories? (1)

dbIII (701233) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840677)

Seriously, heat generated by laptops, "tank" of methanol, and everything close to something 'precious' is a little un-nerving!
Wuss! It's nothing in comparison to using an electropolisher on your lap that uses a large current through a picric acid / ethanol solution - and the previous model was recalled due to repeatedly catching fire.

To be more serious, existing batteries do horrible things when they get very hot as well.

Re:More 'burned groin' stories? (1, Funny)

SeeMyNuts! (955740) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840744)


My fuel cell laptop is powered remotely by the gaseous isobar differentials of Uranus, which drastically reduces burn risks compared to traditional power sources.

Re:More 'burned groin' stories? (4, Interesting)

joe_bruin (266648) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841143)

Wait until you see what happens with the water generated by these things...

Headline: Fuel Cells for Laptops Due Next Week
Subtitle: Embarrased-looking early adopters with warm wet spots in their laps due week after that

Unfortunately... (1)

Kagura (843695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840397)

The article doesn't give much more information about the technology that was given in the summary. Hopefully we will see some specs for this promising tech soon!

Power Brick (3, Insightful)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840609)

I don't get it. Practically every manufacturer uses a different form factor for CD bays, and many more than one. How hard is it going to be to find one of these for your favorite notebook? What about notebooks that don't have swapable bays?

A better option would be to make a power "brick" with a DC output and a number of tips for popular notebooks, much as currently done for universal power supplies. You could then make a single device that works with a lot more notebooks, and have more power available as it's not constrained to fit into a particular form factor.

Re:Power Brick (3, Informative)

SirCyn (694031) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840810)

What decade are you living in? Most all laptops these days use the standard slimline cd-rom. They just have a different front bezel attached.

Re:Power Brick (1)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841049)

"They just have a different front bezel attached."

Precisely. Often permanently attached. And not "all" support an extra battery at that location. And, of course, there are notebooks and sub-notebooks without CD-ROM bays at all. And Macs with slot-loading, non-removeable drives. Or Panasonic Toughbooks with their top-loading drives. Or...

Never mind. It's apparent that "most all" of the notebooks with which you're personally familiar adequately represent the entire notebook universe.

Re:Power Brick (2, Insightful)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841103)

And while we're on the subject, "most all" notebooks these days use a power brick to supply DC power. A move which also allows them to easily use 12v DC car chargers and plug into airline power outlets. In fact, I dare say that more notebooks do that than they use a specific CD/DVD drive form factor... which is why I made the suggestion in the first place.

Re:Power Brick (1)

nhandler (938354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841104)

The most likely reason (in my opinion) is pain versus gain. It is a lot easier to license a technology to a computer manufacturer and let them handle production, marketing, etc. than it is to produce your own universal form factor and manage the aforementioned necessary burdens. Chances are that if you license to a large number of computer manufacturers (and other areas), you will make a lot more money than if you sell to the (like it or not) niche market of those individuals willing to use a non-brandname, outboard power supply.

Fuel air bomb? (3, Interesting)

fredklein (532096) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840399)

Seriously, what would be the travel restrictions with these? Will airlines (or more precisely the TSA) allow me onboard with, say a dozen of these? Or even just one?

Re:Fuel air bomb? (3, Funny)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840462)

Seriously, what would be the travel restrictions with these? Will airlines (or more precisely the TSA) allow me onboard with, say a dozen of these? Or even just one?

Answer your question:

Airlines: Yes if you're part of the platinum elite patrician class. No if you're flying as a proletariat.

TSA: Yes if you hand over your DNA, pictures of your family, especially your sexy, hot wife (don't worry about this one Slashdot), and prove that you're a supporter of the current administration. No if you're an average law-abidding citizen.

Jokes aside, it seems to me that if they allow even one, they might as well allow more since a malicious group of people can each carry one and get together while in the air.

Re:Fuel air bomb? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14840694)

What a fucktard. Yes if you're a average law-abiding citizen. No if you're a pot-smoking, time-wasting, irrational protesting hippie.

Re:Fuel air bomb? (1)

Nocterro (648910) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841227)

Hey, given the normal proportion of hot sexy wives to the usual kind, I'd say slashdotters are much more likely to at least have a picture of someone's hot sexy wife.

Re:Fuel air bomb? (4, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840525)

I am amazed that they let you fly with lithium-ion batteries. A lithium-ion (or lithium polymer) battery is basically a bomb with a bit of electronics trying to persuade it that it's really a battery.

On a lighter note, have you ever been asked at an airport if you are carrying anything that can be used as a weapon? What do they imagine you might be carrying that can't be used as a weapon?

Re:Fuel air bomb? (4, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840635)

On a lighter note, have you ever been asked at an airport if you are carrying anything that can be used as a weapon? What do they imagine you might be carrying that can't be used as a weapon?
Chuck Norris is no longer allowed to fly on planes.

Everytime the TSA asked him if he was carrying anything that could be used as a weapon, he would deliver a roundhouse kick to the head.

Chuck Norris now takes the bus.

Re:Fuel air bomb? (1)

Sven The Space Monke (669560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840675)

Chuck Norris doesn't take the bus - he takes off his shirt and flexes his pectoral muscles fast enough to generate lift, allowing him to fly.

Re:Fuel air bomb? (3, Funny)

bman08 (239376) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840697)

Why are you assuming Chuck Norris needs to 'go' anywhere. Chuck stays still and stuff comes to him.

Re:Fuel air bomb? (1)

eh2o (471262) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840885)

That's silly. The aisle of an airplane is not nearly wide enough to deliver a roundhouse kick.

Re:Fuel air bomb? (1)

Eideewt (603267) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841031)

You presume that Chuck Norris cares what happens to the seats. No mere chair could stop his foot.

Re:Manly air bomb? (1)

RipTides9x (804495) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841226)

What do they imagine you might be carrying that can't be used as a weapon?

That's why I hear that Chuck Norris is on the "Do Not Fly" list, not that any airport screener has yet to have the balls to inform him of this. Because we all know, if you have the balls to inform Charles of bad news, you are about to not have any balls at all.

hate to be a skeptic, but... (3, Insightful)

jxyama (821091) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840410)

There's no mention/plan on how to refill the thing. Also, it weighs a lot - more than 3 lbs, which could almost double some laptops' overall weight. It may be "production-ready" in the sense it can be manufactured and used, but I don't think it's "production-ready" in the real worls sense at all.

Re:hate to be a skeptic, but... (2, Insightful)

MP3Chuck (652277) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840495)

I dunno ... if the 8-hour life is true I'm sure there are a good few people who would be willing to trade a few pounds for that kind of outlet-free time.

Re:hate to be a skeptic, but... (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840532)

Besides, batteries themselves are pretty heavy. The 9 cell battery for my T40 weights 2.2 pounds. It takes 2 of them to get 8 hours. You do the math... the fuel cell is lighter.

Re:hate to be a skeptic, but... (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840716)

With my Panasonic R3 I get that kind of battery life with the regular battery - and the whole machine weighs just less than a kilo. And the machine is capable enough that I use it as my main computer.

I'm frankly a little underwhelmed with the implementation. You could just bring a spare battery with the same capacity, less weight and don't risk any hassle in airports.

Re:hate to be a skeptic, but... (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841142)

Yes but they got to pay for it. I can't believe refilling this thing is cheaper than recharging a battery.

Re:hate to be a skeptic, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14840542)

I've got to wonder -- the main place I have ever needed an extended battery is on a plane flight -- and this is a device that I don't expect will get past the TSA screeners. Plus, price? And don't leave it in a hot car for long.

Re:hate to be a skeptic, but... (1)

chrnb (243739) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840568)

I really hope the various Laptop manufacturers will embrace this and create fuelcells that fits into the battery compartments of even the old models, but will probably only be available for new ones though.

And second if you have to buy refills as opposed to refiling yourself with a pipette or something, I doubt this stuff will takeoff. ... no matter what i will probably buy one anyway -_-,

Re:hate to be a skeptic, but... (2, Interesting)

grcumb (781340) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840614)

"There's no mention/plan on how to refill the thing."

That's a show-stopper for me. I'd love to be able to deploy robust and renewable energy sources for field research, and for Internet access in very remote areas. If I can refuel these things myself (even if that means buying some patent-pending refuelly whizbanger for a mere 42 gazillion bucks), then I'm very interested. But if it's not trivially refillable, it's worse than deadweight.

"Also, it weighs a lot - more than 3 lbs, which could almost double some laptops' overall weight."

That's not such a big deal for a lot of applications. True that the average travelling salesman will care a lot about even a few more pounds to schlepp through the airport. But I suspect this kind of technology will find a different niche at first: situations where the cost of generating electricity removes any advantage that a battery provides.

For example, I recently kept a laptop running for a week on a very remote island in the South Pacific (cue the Cast Away "Wilson?!?" jokes). In order to do so I had to haul a few truck batteries and a solar panel with me. If I could make do with a couple of fuel cells and a mini-still (there's lots of sugar cane handy) or even a jug of high-proof, I'd be able to keep the laptop running non-stop, and more efficiently than running a generator to charge batteries.

Fun with chemicals! (2, Insightful)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840412)

Imagine how this will EXPLODE on the laptop market! Can you just imagine the FIRE in the eyes of who sees this? How about the PAIN existing latpop battery makers will face once this product FLUSHES through, like a HOTCAKE!!

HA! HA!.....uuugh....

Re:Fun with chemicals! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14840583)

The anticipation is almost un-BEAR-able!

Oh the TSA is going to *love* these (1)

lohphat (521572) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840416)

Yet another thing for fast-food reject personnel to get their oversized panties in a twist.

Re:Oh the TSA is going to *love* these (1)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840540)

Do you see that LiIon battery you've got? The warning on it to "not add water" is rather important. Please don't try it.

Hmm, when will they stop allowing water to be given or carried onto planes because someone might mix it with their laptop battery?

waiting for extreme battery power (1)

icepick72 (834363) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840420)

I thought the fuel cell technology was much more promising than 8 hours. That's still less than three times longer compared with my standard laptop battery. Or is the main point that it's refillable/reusable?

Re:waiting for extreme battery power (1)

toetagger1 (795806) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840446)

Well, for one, this lasts you most of your workday. 2nd, once your laptop uses smaller conventional batteries and frees up more space for fuel cell technology, you should see it approach 18 hours or so, which is literally a day worth, if you sleep the other 6 hours. Not to mention that if one pack is done, you can go exchange it for a full one at the local kiosk, vending machine, or post office.

8 hours? (3, Funny)

chris_eineke (634570) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840422)

It'll last 8 minutes w/ my AMD64 laptop! This thing eats electrons like pacman eats yellow pills.

Re:8 hours? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14840500)

Since when did processors eat electrons?
If processors ate electrons like pacman, you'ld have a hazardous amount of stray neutrons and protons.

MMmmm..... thermonuclear explosions..... mmm.......

Re:8 hours? (1)

Paradise Pete (33184) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840597)

Since when did processors eat electrons? If processors ate electrons like pacman, you'ld have a hazardous amount of stray neutrons and protons.

I'll bet you also point out that elephants couldn't actually hide in cherry trees.

Re:8 hours? (1)

khellendros1984 (792761) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840703)

Hey, hey, hey....I think Pacman ate white pills. So get your facts straight before spreading lies and false rumours around, eh?

Re:8 hours? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14841304)

White dots, yellow 'pills' so he could fight the 'ghosts'

Er, no (2, Interesting)

Brian Stretch (5304) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840875)

I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but...

HP made two versions of their HP zv5000 and Compaq R3000 notebooks two years ago, an Intel P4 version and an AMD Athlon 64 version. With a 12 cell battery, the AMD version gets 3-4 hours of battery life in average use. I was able to play just over 3 HOURS of DVD video on mine.

The P4 version gets about an hour. HP wisely decided to drop Intel CPUs from the following year's zv6000/R4000 lines.

So, substitute "Prescott-core P4" for "AMD64" in the parent post to make it a lot more accurate.

Re:8 hours? (1)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841174)

My 12" iBook really does get almost 8 hours on a charge, no problem.

And if I'm near enough to civilization to have the wireless work, I'm near enough to just plug it in anyway. And if I'm not in wireless range, it's intentional and I don't want to be on a computer at all.

But maybe you have one of those "portable" desktop systems, heavily promoted by chiropractors since they are great for business.

Refilling? (3, Insightful)

bflong (107195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840426)

From TFA:
Neither Antig nor AVC stated what the fuel-cell module would cost, nor offered any plan for consumers to refill them, however. Both companies are based in Taiwan, and company representatives were unavailable for comment.

What? I can't refill it? Whats the point then?
Nothing to see here... Please move along...

Re:Refilling? (1)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840439)

Obviously they mentioned their being in Taiwan so you know where to take your fuel cells for refilling.

Price? (3, Funny)

jemenake (595948) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840428)

Something tells me that the initial price of these fuel cells is going to exceed the price of the laptop itself. In fact, I'll bet it'll be cheaper for me to buy a car batter, an inverter, and a sherpa to carry them while he follows me everywhere. :)

Re:Price? (1)

geofferensis (808339) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840551)

Dude, just buy a hand crank generator and have the sherpa generate power on the fly.

I'd Buy It (3, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840435)

If true, I'd buy it.

My last laptop (a Dell Inspiron 8000) I kept two batteries in (it was a three spindle notebook). This increased the weight, but gave me over three hours of battery life with normal use (it was a desktop replacement that just loved to eat batteries). I would gladly replace one in that notebook with one of these for the extra battery life (if I still had it).

My currently laptop is a Apple PowerBook (15", Feb 2005 model). I'm not sure it would have the room necessary for one of these to replace the standard battery, but I would gladly do it (I currently get 3 hours of use, or about 45 min if I run a full-on 3D game with the laptop in "high performance" mode).

I would be much more interested if it was a closed system that could recharge it's self (like a fuel-cell could be set up). That said, it's 45w of power and almost 4 pounds. My current battery is 46 watts and less than 1.8 pounds. And I know the newer PowerBooks and MacBook Pros have better batteries than mine.

3 more watts, double the weight. How will that give me 8 hours of battery life? I'm skeptical. Maybe in an ultra-light notebook with a slow processor doing word processing.

Still, at least someone is about to market something other than a "normal" battery.

Re:I'd Buy It (1)

pilkul (667659) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840460)

3 more watts, double the weight. How will that give me 8 hours of battery life?

Er, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. You do realize that watts are a measure of energy output per second rather than total energy?

Also, there's no infrastructure for refilling the cell right now, so this can't be marketed. It's only a technology demo.

Re:I'd Buy It (2, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840554)

When they say "Watts" with computer batteries, aren't they usually referring to "Watt-hours" and not true watts? That is what I was basing things off of.

For example, my laptop's battery is supposed to be 42 Watts. System profiler tells me it is about 12v, and full charge capacity of 4100 mAh. Multiply it out and you get 49 Watt-hours. If you take into account the voltage will drop as the battery discharges and the battery becomes useless at certain voltage level, it probably has 42 Watt-hours of useful energy.

Am I wrong?

PS: My battery has cycled 87 times, and my computer does not have an UPS installed according to System Profiler (that is an option on any Mac?)

Re:I'd Buy It (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840701)

...and my computer does not have an UPS installed according to System Profiler (that is an option on any Mac?)
Presumably, Mac OS supports those external UPSs that have USB connections to automatically shut down the computer when the power goes out.

Re:I'd Buy It (1)

pilkul (667659) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840817)

When they say "Watts" with computer batteries, aren't they usually referring to "Watt-hours" and not true watts?

Ah, googling a bit it seems you're right. I guess I'm the idiot who didn't know my units. That's pretty confusing usage, though.

What I wanna know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14840464)

is where you're getting "full-on 3D Games" for your Powerbook. Seriously. I'm looking at my AL15" on the corner of the desk, and just trying to imagine....

Re:I'd Buy It (1)

mabinogi (74033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840530)

> My last laptop (a Dell Inspiron 8000) I kept two batteries in (it was a three spindle notebook). This increased the weight, but gave me over three hours of battery life with normal use (it was a desktop replacement that just loved to eat batteries). I would gladly replace one in that notebook with one of these for the extra battery life (if I still had it).

wow, your bettery life really sucked.
I had an Inspiron 8600 with two batteries, and I could get at least 6 hours out of it...

My current 9300 can only take one battery at a time, and so I get sucky 2 and 1/2 hour life instead...

Re:I'd Buy It (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840574)

I sold it over a year ago, so that is from memory. That said, it was a big desktop replacement, and it had a top of the line GeForce Go graphics chip in it (one of the reasons why I bought it). Now note that that battery life would have been under my normal work load, which would mean mostly surfing the web constantly; Flash ads, WiFi, and all.

If I just typed in Word or something like that, it would have given me much more.

Re:I'd Buy It (2, Informative)

wed128 (722152) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840541)

Wattage has nothing to do with battery life. The fact that the battery can put out 3 more watts just means it's capable of more throughput...think of it like a widemouth beer can. It's increased flow has nothing to do with capacity.

Re:I'd Buy It (1)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840626)

I've got an Inspiron 2200, I bought it to be a low power laptop that would last a long time on batteries, so I got the 8 hour Li-Ion battery addon, and it lasts only about 5 hours with the display on it's lowest brightness and not doing a whole lot (It's good enough tbh, but still not what they said.).

What I'm wondering is, when they say 8 hours, do they mean 8 hours?

Re:I'd Buy It (1)

Daxster (854610) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840831)

I also have this laptop, although my batteries last from 1 hour under full CPU load, wifi, screen backlight up, etc, and about 4.5 hours with everything turned down. SpeedSwitchXP and its related program can control your speedswitch and fans, which can help control your system.
My battery has 65Wh according to its label.

Re:I'd Buy It (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14840662)

yes, super breakout is quite an intensive game!

Re:I'd Buy It (1)

Muchacho_Gasolino (868337) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841123)

Watts of a battery has nothing to do with battery life. That is the maximum rate at which the battery can put out energy. What does have to do with battery life is how many watts(on average) your computer is using. Also, it isn't like this can just replace the battery, unless you want to put in a new fuel cell after every 8 hours of use. It's not rechargeable. Unless they are planning to make it refillable, which the article says they arent.

I can't wait to see... (1)

Osrin (599427) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840442)

... the TSAs policy on these things. I can't see them allowing the average traveller to carry them on board. I guess I'll be checking my laptop from now on?

Re:I can't wait to see... (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840590)

I imagine the policy will be like lighters - you can only carry them empty in an approved container. So you'll probably keep your lithium ion battery arround for the flight, but switch to the fuel cell if you're going someplace fairly far from civilization. Though I honestly don't see this as being real useful unless you can use something like standard Naphtha or propane. Relegating this to using specialty fuel will only limit its utility.

Now I gotta carry methanol? (2, Insightful)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840448)

I think it would still be more convenient to simply plug the laptop into the wall, a car outlet, or even a solar array for a recharge. If you're in the absolute middle of nowhere, you could carry an extra battery or two and it probably wouldn't be much more volume/weight than a pack of methanol containers. On top of that, hotel rooms, conference rooms, coffee shops and other places I use my laptop don't have methanol dispensers, but almost all of them have plenty of free electricity.

Besides, 8 hours is not that huge of an improvement over batteries. Fuel cells seem to have promise, but I won't be switching until I can run a laptop for days at a time.

Re:Now I gotta carry methanol? (1)

Wallslide (544078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840869)

The benefit with fuel cells is that the charge time is equal to the amount of time it takes to refuel the cell. Recharging my laptop to full takes several hours, filling a fuel cell should take minutes.

On what kind of Laptop? (1)

Drakin030 (949484) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840506)

The fuel cell battery will last 8 hours.
On what kind of laptop? Is this a Centrino laptop, or a Dell XPS with a 6800 in it?

CD ROM Size? (0, Troll)

shoolz (752000) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840513)

Please show me something the size of a CD ROM that can power a notebook... I'll buy 10.

I assume that what they meant to write was 'CD ROM _Drive_ Sized'

Re:CD ROM Size? (1)

AcidFnTonic (791034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840743)

Like one of these http://www.superwarehouse.com/p.cfm?08K8190&p=2657 29&CMP=IL18612 [superwarehouse.com]

I have one in my Thinkpad T23 right now, along with the main battery and I get around 10 hours of life. Granted I'm running linux with aggressive harddrive spin down timings, somewhere around 10 minutes between spin ups if I'm not forcing the drive to spin up, and it doesnt much because I have a gig of RAM and I'm using 512MB ramdisks for music. I also have numerous other powersaving features like speed stepping, screen brightness etc.... The ultrabay battery rocks though, its the same capacity as the main battery and can be swapped out on a hardware suspend (which works in linux). I carry a spare and I'm mobile all day, hitting at least 10 Wireless APs. Sorry for the rant, but obviously not everyone needs a Super battery, there are solutions if you simply seek them. And I see it coming, for you desktop replacement laptop gamers, there are batteries the size of notebook coolers that last around 8-12 hours, expensive but you guys drop 3+ grand on a laptop to play games.

-AcidTonic-

Re:CD ROM Size? (1)

shoolz (752000) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840819)

What the hell are you talking about? How is this relevant? Why are you bragging about your hardware setup and trying to push product?

Exhaust? (1)

ROFLMAObot (891386) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840548)

Not much information was given.. Would there be any kind of exhaust? What about the people in the green jackets, is this environmentally friendly?

Whadd'ya mean they'll only last 8 hours!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14840608)

That's no good! Current laptop batteries last at least a month and a half before they fail!

Good luck getting that past TSA (1)

seadevil (958611) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840618)

Excuse me could you please remove the potental bomb from your laptop before you board the plane.

Re:Good luck getting that past TSA (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841314)

Good look trying to make a bomb out of a few drops of methanol.

Lithium-ion batteries on the other hand, are basically ready-fused bombs.

huh? (1)

akhomerun (893103) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840640)

8 hours? that can be achieved with li-polymer, without the need to gas up your laptop.

especially since by the time this crap comes out, intel will have it's ultra low power core chips out (45 nm) for laptops that are supposed to get 8 hours or more battery life (late 06)

Watts? (1)

elbenito69 (868244) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840654)

45 watts is a rather useless metric for duration. It's like saying my car gets 25 miles to the gallon without giving any tank capacity, and expecting you to compute its range from that. Watt-hours, or more properly, joules produced from a full fuel cell would be much more useful.

Re:Watts? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14841207)

I don't have an account, and I'm sorry for that, but the parent post here is quite wrong. Watts = Joules / Second, not the other way around. Might want to google basic physics facts before posting them. Watts / (unit of time) would be the rate at which the energy is accelerating? Or something? It doesn't make sense.

3.7 pounds (1)

snarkh (118018) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840682)

The methanol-powered Antig fuel cell provides 45 watts of power on a single "tank" of methanol, and weighs 3.7 pounds (1.7 kg).

The expense of hiring a bodybuilder to carry your laptop for you seems rather high.

Awesome (1)

Eightyford (893696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840688)

Not next decade, not next year, but next week! Never is a new technology coming out next week. It's either coming out in the not-too-distant future, or it's already here. I'm scared at this change...

A small problem (1)

scwizard (941758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840882)

The methanol-powered Antig fuel cell provides 45 watts of power on a single "tank" of methanol, and weighs 3.7 pounds

Isn't that heavier then my laptop?

Why methanol? (1)

Sometimes_Rational (866083) | more than 8 years ago | (#14840978)

Why are these powered with methanol rather than ethanol?

I'd think a booze-powered computer would be every geek's dream.

(Cue Futurama jokes here... )

In fact, I'd pay lots more for a computer that I could keep going by giving it a shot of Everclear every so often.

Re:Why methanol? (1)

schnipschnap (739127) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841266)

AFAIK, ethanol burns because of a C-C bond "uncleaner", that is with higher likelihood of soot "production", rather than clean CO2 and H2O, as with methanol.

Direct Methanol Fuel Cells. (2, Interesting)

AWeishaupt (917501) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841105)

To everybody wondering about refilling the MeOH solution that these cells use - it probably won't be practical. The 'fuel' needs to be very pure, otherwise catalyst poisoning will destroy your very expensive fuel cell. I imagine swappable methanol cartridges just like AA batteries might be available - one day.

8 hours, are you joking? (1)

llZENll (545605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14841120)

No one will buy it, hell a Li battery lasts that long, I thought these things were supposed to last like 20 hours or more. All the promises, broken ;)
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