Delving into the Commercial P2P World 45
Anonymous Coward writes "PBS has an interesting look at the emerging commercialized P2P networks brought to light by Cringely. With the news of Sky's default bundling of commercial P2P applications in its broadband software, many users seemed to be against the idea of getting nothing from providing Sky with their upstream bandwidth for free. Meanwhile, PeerImpact, seems to be rewarding users for their P2P system through PeerCash, and GridNetworks is building an system called PeerReward."
Not a bad idea (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Not a bad idea (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Not a bad idea (Score:1, Interesting)
Re:Not a bad idea (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Not a bad idea (Score:2, Interesting)
One more way is the create your own internet television using platforms like http://www.getdemocracy.com/ [getdemocracy.com] where the user doesnt have to pay anything to view and one could make money based on advertisements. The cost of distrubtion woulld be low because the users are sharing their bandwidth.
Re:Not a bad idea (Score:1)
The same question that comes up
Steam? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Steam? (Score:3, Informative)
"In late 2003, Cohen was hired by Valve Software to work on Steam, their digital distribution system introduced for Half-Life 2. However, by early 2005 he was no longer at Valve, and his primary source of income once again became donations from BitTorrent users."
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bram_Cohen [wikipedia.org]) So yes, they did hire him, but he's not working there anymore, and Steam isn't P2P from what I know, either (and certainly, one cannot assume that it
Re:Steam? (Score:2)
Re:Steam? (Score:2)
Cash, Reward, Save (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's officially over for Slashdot (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Commercial P2P is a logical fallacy (Score:2)
commercial p2p is a commercial failure (Score:5, Informative)
They had a few classic horror films and other stuff.
It appears to have been a complete failure. They took the link to transmission films off the edonkey homepage in early 2005 and the site has been down every time I'v looked since then. I tried downloading one of the films a few years ago when the site was still up to see how it worked. It took about two months because nobody was resharing the DRMed files.
It seems to me that if commercial p2p downloads don't work on the ed2k network with several million users and a link from the edonkey homepage then the idea that individuals could make any money by uploading or recommending content is laughable.
People using p2p networks simply do not want to pay.
Re:commercial p2p is a commercial failure (Score:1, Insightful)
Or maybe they didn't want DRMed horror movies.
Re:commercial p2p is a commercial failure (Score:1)
Re:commercial p2p is a commercial failure (Score:2)
You could have the greatest product in the world and nobody would buy it if they didn't know it existed.
Maybe Metamachine's service failed because they didn't pump enough money into spreading the word.
I know
Re:commercial p2p is a commercial failure (Score:2, Interesting)
-Status --> This could work with companies. Somehow elevate "good" customers who share against the others.
-Feeling that you're doing something good-->I don't foresee people wanting to help companies with their bandwidth if they already paid for something
-Getting faster downloads -->
Re:commercial p2p is a commercial failure (Score:1)
Bittorrent is better than direct download because it's easy to manage mirrors (you just set up another seeder) and bittorrent is scalable (huge popularity doesn't increase money spent on bandwidth).
Bittorrent is better than ed2k because users share *during* the download. So it doesn't matter if they decide not to share DRMed files *after* the download.
Besides, isn't World of Warcraft's patch system basically a commercial p2p? If it's use
Re:commercial p2p is a commercial failure (Score:1)
I wouldn't say this is something you would recognize as p2p file sharing.
Peer Impact = Doomed (Score:2, Insightful)
If only they had the money to advertise heavily they'd have a shot. Also, it might help if they were more low-key about all the "Earn money!" stuff because while that brings evangelistic eyeballs it doesn't make for a co
P2P Communication (Score:1)
It seems that people are finally taking P2P seriously as a commercial technology, which is good. Now it remains to be s
Commercial P2P is like... (Score:3, Insightful)
...buying a new car with the caveat you have to drive Stan, the guy at the service desk, to work every other Thursday.
p2p, capacity etc. (Score:4, Informative)
Then of course, there's that many people have broadband lines to their home where they can pull down more than they can push up. I can upload about 4-5KB a second and still be able to browse the web, send e-mail etc. without a problem. Meanwhile, I can download at about 90KB a second. So if all my p2p transfers on say Bittorrent after the first one were tit-for-tat, I could only download at 4-5KB a second. This situation is similar for most other broadband users. Anyhow, Bittorrent already includes technology where you tend to share more with people sharing with you. With the advent of Bittorrent I stopped using the ed2k network, but many of those clients have a similar concept. And Gnutella has this with partial file sharing as well, although people mostly use Gnutella for small files. But getting back to the currently important one, Bittorrent, as I said, the applications usually have this anyhow. If that's not enough, some trackers and Bittorrent websites do counts of which of their members are good and bad in an attempt to deal with people who still manage to leech.
One mistake Cringely makes is assuming if I'm downloading, say a video of Noam Chomsky and Alan Dershowitz debating Israel, that someone else at my ISP will be wanting or sharing this same video. Sometimes I'm downloading files where only one person is sharing them and I download it all from them. If its several (often with people from Brazil, Australia, Germany etc.), still what are the odds one of the people sharing this file on this protocol will be from my ISP?
A lot of this could have been solved long ago with Mbone. But the ISPs didn't want it.
It will make you money... (Score:1)
money (Score:1)
from filesharing
i was recently involved in making a rapidshare.de style system
the money earned from adverts covers the cost of dozens if servers and makes a nice profit
Re:Commercial P2P MUST reward uploaders somehow (Score:1)
Re:Commercial P2P MUST reward uploaders somehow (Score:2)
You should checkout Krawler[x] - http://www.krawlerx.com/download.htm [krawlerx.com] (windows build)
It lets users author and share original courses, books, even novels -- over the p2p networks. Think wikibooks + authoring tool + p2p. The authoring tool itself is mega-amazing -- one can tailor individual access rules/content access workflow for individual users -- like noone should se
I am a Sky-by-Broadband user ... (Score:1)
Grid Networks may already be in trouble . (Score:1)
"Abstract of WO2005038617
Methods and computer systems for increasing the revenue stream from a work made available in digital form are provided. The methods and systems of the invention are particularly useful for musical, video, interactive game files, and artistic or commercial works that can be digitally copied and transferred or distribut