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RFID, Sign of the (End) Times?

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the sky-is-falling dept.

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andy753421 writes "Wired is running an article featuring Katherine Albrecht who, with her new book 'The Spychips Threat: Why Christians Should Resist RFID and Electronic Surveillance', is warning that RFID tags may in fact be the "mark of the beast". Among her arguments are that in a futuristic world anyone who wishes to buy and sell goods would be compelled "to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads," as is foretold in the book Revelation. Others are skeptical saying that many new technologies, such as the printing press, bar-codes, and several others, have also created fears about the beginning of the end."

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Last post (5, Funny)

saltydogdesign (811417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851187)

Get it? Huh? Huh?

Re:Last post (1)

ookabooka (731013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851193)

So what the hell does that make this post? Post-armageddon?

Re:Last post (1)

saltydogdesign (811417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851202)

They're never right. Why should I be?

Re:Last post (2, Funny)

ookabooka (731013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851224)

Perhaps your post was merely the end of the first of the beginning of the last posts.

Re:Last post (1)

saltydogdesign (811417) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851257)

Ouch.

Re:Last post (1)

really? (199452) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851365)

You misspelled "Amen!"

Fallacy (5, Insightful)

XanC (644172) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851190)

Just because those other inventions weren't the mark doesn't mean this one isn't.

Re:Fallacy (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851208)

Just because some old book tells a pointless fairy tale doesn't mean it has any connection to reality either. ( -1, Flamebait, I know.)

Re:Fallacy (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851216)

I never did understand the Christian aversion to the Beast. The Beast must come as part of Christ's second coming, prophecy says so. Why would they resist this? If I were a Christian, I would be doing anything I can to hasten the return my my God.

Re:Fallacy (1)

Gyga (873992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851291)

We know that many people will suffer, and we don't want so many people to suffer. Few people actually want others to suffer in the ways the bible foretells, that is why people preach.

Re:Fallacy (1, Troll)

grub (11606) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851361)


And why the sobbing at funerals? Aren't they happy their loved ones went to be with Jesus? Or deep down do they know it's all make-believe?

Re:Fallacy (1)

microarray (950769) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851217)

Fallacy: You have assumed that there -is- an invention corresponding to a "mark". :)

Re:Fallacy (1)

XanC (644172) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851223)

I don't think I did... I stated a reason why we can't conclude that this ISN'T it. Never said anything about concluding that it (or anything) IS.

Re:Fallacy (1)

microarray (950769) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851268)

I'd suggest that by stating that X is not an A, you assume that there exists an A to compare to. You could state that you're just talking about possible A items, and not actual A items, but that just serves to diminish the value of the argument. :)

Re:Fallacy (1)

rah1420 (234198) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851313)

And, (dramatic pause,)

this "begs the question" of whether there's an A.

Hah. Finally got to use it correctly. Go me.

Re:Fallacy (2, Interesting)

mce (509) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851256)

Agnostic as I am, I do not believe this apocalypse nonsense at all. But it has to be said that there's another logical error here as well: maybe the invention of (for instance) the printing press really was "the beginning of the end". Maybe the whole process just takes 600 years to complete...

Re:Fallacy (4, Interesting)

sedyn (880034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851269)

Exactly...

Hell, when England made the Domesday Book [wikipedia.org] in 1086 Christians probably went ape-shit over it for the same reason.

I've learned something about Christians, when something like this comes, many don't say "this is the mark of the beast" instead they say something along the line of "the end is near"... So, they're learning.

I think that the stance against RFIDs needs all the help it can get... So, let the Christians rant and rave next to the EFF... Just as long as the reasonable people raise that point that tracking technologies COULD be used for bad reasons, and encourage people to weigh the good against the bad... Or does that involve thinking?

Yes, it's very unfortunate... (4, Insightful)

bADlOGIN (133391) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851340)

That one group of Church leaders under the direction of then Roman emperor (Constantine) chose to include Revelations instead of The Apocalypse of Peter (see the APOCRYPHAL GOSPELS for all the rest of the stuff left out) when they were whimsically throwing together a collection of writings that they believed were correct according to thier power induced plans of what direction Christianity should go in a full 300+ years after Jesus was dead.


If only that had been arbitrarily put in and Revelations left out. We'd all be talking about how Jesus went to hell and that after the Apocolypse, if those who ascended to heaven asked to for clemancy for those in hell, it would be granted. Guess it just didn't have the fire and brimstone to keep the stupid peasants under controll that all the 666 bullshit and no redemption theme Revelations does.


The worst thing about modern so called "christians" is that they don't know thier own history.

There will be an end (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851195)


every society has had an end, the mayans, egyptians, romans, greeks
it all comes to an end, if you truly think the culture of greed, capitalism and consolidation can continue for ever then you are deluded, so when that time comes how will we know ? at what point do we give up and start again ? 20 years ? 50 ? 100 ? 500 ?

its not IF but WHEN

Re:There will be an end (2, Insightful)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851335)

"every society has had an end, the mayans, egyptians, romans, greeks
it all comes to an end, if you truly think the culture of greed, capitalism and consolidation can continue for ever then you are deluded,"


Except that looking at your examples (Mayans, Egyptians, Romans, Greeks), I'd say that greed, capitalism and consolidation have been around for a long, long time indeed.

Barcodes (2, Interesting)

Gyga (873992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851197)

The only reason barcodes weren't the mark is because they can't mark humans. People have ebbed RFID tags into themselves.

Re:Barcodes (1)

fosterNutrition (953798) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851221)

Barcodes can most certainly mark humans, and have been used for that purpose extensively. The reason they can't ever be a secure way of doing things is that they provide no guarantee that they are unique - it would be too easy to get a barcode tattoo simulating someone else. RFID on the other hand (supposedly and ideally at least) would overcome this limitation through crypto and the like.

Re:Barcodes (1)

Gyga (873992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851240)

I thought that that was an understood reason, and didn't need spelling out.

Re:Barcodes (2, Insightful)

microarray (950769) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851231)

"The only reason barcodes weren't the mark is because they can't mark humans"

I can tattoo myself with a barcode, does that count?

Re:Barcodes (1)

jetcityorange (666232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851272)

No, people CAN be barcoded. In fact, I've built a gallery of barcode tattoos [jetcityorange.com] .

I'll confess that I own a barcode software company [azalea.com] , which I guess makes me Satan's Little Helper. But I sure don't have no stinkin' barcode tat on me!

In other news... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851198)

Linux is STILL for fags.

Oh Noes! (-1, Troll)

TrappedByMyself (861094) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851200)

Bush = Big Brother = Christian Fundamentalists = Hate RFID = Tin Foil Hat Nerds!!

Worlds collide! What will the binary thinkers do!!

Re:Oh Noes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851229)

Bush = Big Brother = Christian Fundamentalists = Fear the mark = Hate RFID = Tin Foil Hat

Now they are hex thinkers. Not only is there b&w but there are shades of grey between #000000 and #FFFFFF.

Re:Oh Noes! (1)

anagama (611277) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851354)

Troll? Brilliant.

This is what many Christians want (1)

Burz (138833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851203)

The closer we are to their "End Times", the better. No?

Crazy Cult Believes End of Times Coming (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851204)

In this case, the cult is Christianity. If they were any other group, we'd be laughing at them. Unfortunately, they are large enough that their crazy belief system may cause trouble for the rest of us (yet again).

Re:Crazy Cult Believes End of Times Coming (3, Interesting)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851265)

Well, I'm not particularly religious myself, but if you look at the current state of American society, it could just as easily be said that the ongoing failure of organized religion to maintain the effective forms of social control it exerted for centuries is more of an issue than their "crazy belief system." If you are referring to the conflicts that inevitably occur when fundamentalist groups of any stripe butt heads I might agree ... but America is, by and large, becoming less religious as time goes on. Don't confuse the copious quantities of white noise being generated by the more vocal subcultures as being a reflection of more mainstream value systems.

Re:Crazy Cult Believes End of Times Coming (5, Insightful)

donscarletti (569232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851344)

In this case, the cult is Christianity. If they were any other group, we'd be laughing at them. Unfortunately, they are large enough that their crazy belief system may cause trouble for the rest of us (yet again).

Christianity does not believe end times are heralded by RFID tags, some Christians do. That is what separates Christianity from crazy cults, since it is large and diverse enough to have people make up their own minds on such things. Cults need centralized leadership to tell its adherents what to do and what to believe, Christianity hasn't got a central authority and so its adherents are free to interpret the canon however they see fit and form groups where they share crucial facts of their interpretation. Most Christians believe the book of Revelation to be a non-literal message about what kind of persecution the church has faced and will face in the time between Christ's first and second coming, others believe it is an allegorical prophecy of the history of the thousand years after it was written in about 50AD and some (like the RFID nutter) believe that it is an allegorical prophesy of the thousand years before Christs second coming (whenever that may be). What almost all scholars agree on is that whoever the beast may be is irrelevant when one simply holds to the principles that the bible teaching when dealing with the beast as with dealing with anyone, thus finding the beast is pointless. Unfortunately, not all Christians are scholars and some like to draw shaky parallels and make accusations without merit.

I know I have just bitten a troll, but someone had to clarify it.

I love Slashdot, but.. (5, Insightful)

aychamo (932587) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851205)

why are you guys posting articles by some flakey Christian who thinks progressive technology is the devil?

Re:I love Slashdot, but.. (1)

NotZed (19455) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851260)

It is sad to see such an obviously sane comment being marked as a troll.

Re:I love Slashdot, but.. (1)

WebScud (662900) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851305)

These is getting press the same way Jack Thompson's luncay gets press -- it's pisses people off.

Thank Allah for the distraction (3, Insightful)

RedHatLinux (453603) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851209)

now maybe Christian fundies can occupy themselves railing against something harmful, rather useful things like evolution or Middle East peace talks.

Re:Thank Allah for the distraction (3, Interesting)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851248)

Exactly -- the biggest problem (in my non-neoconservative opinion) with American politics today is the alignment of corporatism and fundamentalism in the Republican party. If this can drive a wedge between those two ideologies (and hence through the Republican party itself) maybe we'll have a chance at getting a balanced government again.

Re:Thank Allah for the distraction (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851261)

No no, the ones who don't like middle east peace talks are the ones who WANT armageddon to happen. So they'll be in FAVOUR of us all getting RFIDs implanted in our foreheads.

Well, we all know what this means (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851214)

Apparently some Christian nut has finally caught on to what us Slashdotters have been saying for years! RFID chips are the Mark of the Beast, and the Beast himself... well let's just say he's in his sixth year of power.

Albrecht's entry into the Christian book marketplace has not marginalized her voice in the media or with the RFID industry.
That worries me, somewhat.

Note: I am Jewish.

Re:Well, we all know what this means (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851320)

fucking jews

Re:Well, we all know what this means (1)

kclittle (625128) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851342)

Note: I am Jewish.

Ah, but what is your religion?

Re:Well, we all know what this means (1)

Eli Gottlieb (917758) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851362)

My religion is Reform Judaism. Speculating about the Christian End Times is just plain fun, and in the case of certain political figures slightly wierd and scary.

time to heat the polish ovens again (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851215)

only this time, fill them with american christians.

Re:time to heat the polish ovens again (2)

black88 (559855) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851252)

Brave little fascist!! Posting anonymously on /.!!

The only thing that Polish ovens should be used for is whatever kind of yummy baked treats that they make in Poland.

I do wish that I could meet you face to face,though...........

Re:time to heat the polish ovens again (0, Flamebait)

boobavon (857902) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851262)

Holy shit youre disrespectful, not to mention historically inaccurate. Way to go, jackass.

Save 10% at b&n (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851219)

on the book Revelation [barnesandnoble.com]

Re:Save 10% at b&n (1)

the-amazing-blob (917722) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851363)

Is this an end-of-world special?

Wow... (1)

Senjutsu (614542) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851220)

some people are sceptical of claims that RFID presages the end of the world. How utterly shocking.

So.. its RFID today is it? (5, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851225)

40 years ago, it was the 'social security card'....20 years ago people said barcodes were it.. in anoher 20 it will be something else... no need to panic.

Now if some guy with horns and a tail, and breathes fire, comes out waving an RIFD injection machine THEN you can panic..

Re:So.. its RFID today is it? (5, Funny)

Hiro Antagonist (310179) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851242)

That's just Ashcroft; he forgot to put his make-up on this morning.

Re:So.. its RFID today is it? (1)

Voltageaav (798022) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851254)

Bill Gates' greatest feat is making you belive he dosn't exist! It's the End of the world! RFID will destroy us all!

So... (5, Funny)

313373_bot (766001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851228)

you may defeat the beast by wearing a tinfoil hat (or glove)?

Re:So... (1)

connah0047 (850585) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851290)

Nope... "they overcame him by the blood of the lamb and by the Word of their testimony"

Re:So... (1)

Ezku (806454) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851296)

I knew those hats would be of use to us some day!

Eh... Apocalyptic Stuff (2, Interesting)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851232)

This is a little different. There really are passages in the Bible signifying the placement of a mark on people that is required to trade, and people are already using these things as debit cards at night clubs. I guess that people don't mind getting a chip injected after a few beers.

Re:Eh... Apocalyptic Stuff (1)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851249)

I should note that I'm not some kind of nut. I'm just saying, if you're going to build up an argument like that, this is WAYYY easier than most of the popular conspiracy theories.

And, hey, if TV bores you, you should listen to some of them. It's amazing how they are constructed, and it's even more amazing the assertions that people will make.

OBVIOUSLY Aliens crashed at Area 51, bringing a message of peace (see, the aliens are always so evolved that they became pacists).

If that'st the hallmark of a conspiracy theory, then this one stands head and shoulders above the crowd.

Re:Eh... Apocalyptic Stuff (2, Informative)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851343)

Oh, wait, I left part out of that that I thought was in the article.

There are programs discussing the implantation of these in people. It's being piloted in the military as a way of tracking medical records, and there are already medical trials of having this inserted into people.

Verichip is pushing for people to get implants, and bars and clubs in other countries are already using them as debit cards linked to your tab.

So, the implants are here, and people are already using it to trade. There has been discussion of a national program to implant Americans with these, and it's being backed by a former head of the FDA (I forget the dudes name).

That's where the idea that it's the mark of the beast comes from.

Wow. (1)

Chaos Engine (54555) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851233)

I love these crackpots! Every time they start to go off on me on the mark of the beast and the new world order and the euro being the one world currency I remind them that we already have a one world currency. It's called MASTERCARD. You can buy anything anywhere with your credit card and it can be tracked by our loving one world government.

I guess it's a bit late to bitch about being tracked and scanned. Just try to live without Visa or MC. Can't rent a car, can't get a hotel room.

Re:Wow. (1)

bots (671566) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851245)

shhhh dont ruin the fun.

Re:Wow. (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851273)

You can BUY a car or a house just fine though. You can usually rent a hotel room if you're willing to put down a big enough deposit too.

Re:Wow. (1)

flooey (695860) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851302)

Just try to live without Visa or MC. Can't rent a car, can't get a hotel room.
That's actually just what a lot of places would like you to believe, since credit cards make things a whole lot easier for them. Most of them do have a cash-only alternative (usually involving an extra deposit) that you can use if you can convince them that (a) that's the only way they're going to get your business, and (b) you're not trying to rip them off.

Why does it matter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851237)

So what if it is the end of times? Does any Christian (or anyone at all) think that they can do anything to stop the end of time? Somehow I doubt God would decide not to end the world simply because people stopped using RFID.

Maybe the person thinks that God needs RFID to identify who is a believer and who isn't? (next to the pearly gates we have the pearly RFID reader). :)

Re:Why does it matter? (1)

product byproduct (628318) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851339)

Christians worry about the end times because they want to take the day off and *be sure* that they won't have to face their boss about it the next day.

Condoms are the answer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851349)

I propose we put the RFID tags into condoms. After all, if condoms can be used to interfere with God making women pregnant when he wants to, presumably then can also be used to prevent the Beast from using the RFID tags. Latex- it's God's kryptonite :-)

Closer to April 1st every day... (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851239)

Every day Slashdot gets closer to looking like it's April fools day every day. This is not a serious story and should never have made it to slashdot. The next article I expect to read is about a lunatic who's done "scientific testing" to determine which tin foil hat arrangement is more effective "shiny side up" or "shiny side down" in blocking out the goverment mind control rays.

Shiny side up (1)

LiftOp (637065) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851251)

I did my master's thesis in Brainology on it.

Hilarious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851316)

Dude this post was truly hilarious!

ends vs means (1)

tehwebguy (860335) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851247)

i think we can all bite our tongues here for the good of the world.

we all know rfid in the form of identification may be cool but it is a little too big brother. if the religious right wants to use the bible as THEIR reason it is bad, i say let them do it. they have a slightly better grip on government than nerds.

Re:ends vs means (2, Insightful)

wall0159 (881759) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851310)

I love it..

"... it is a little too big brother" (emphasis mine)

yup.. just an eeensy teeenny bit to much. A barcode on the forehead would be just fine. ;-)

One central mistake these people make... (5, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851253)

...relative to their believe is that the "mark of the beast" means that you have to recant your faith to recieve the mark. Unless they can make that claim and back it up, it's a meaningless claim. Bar codes supposedly have "666" encoded into them, but that is only because of ignorance of what the bars mean, and I don't remember anyone recanting their beliefs to get one assigned to their body.

Re:One central mistake these people make... (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851323)

the "mark of the beast" means that you have to recant your faith to recieve the mark.

What if your faith involves not blindly ceding total control of your life to the government, e.g. by ingesting a universal tracking device? I'm not sure that recanting one's faith need be as straightforward as saying "God is dead, now tag me!"

Re:One central mistake these people make... (1)

Expert Determination (950523) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851338)

They don't 'supposedly' have 666, they do - almost. The three 'guard' bars, the long vertical pairs of thin lines that occur at the beginning middle and end are similar to the way 6 is represented on the right right of the two panels of the bar code - two thin vertical lines. I'm not sure how this happened, I'm inclined to think that it was a joke on the part of the inventor.

My Grandma thought punchcards were the mark... (4, Interesting)

Proudrooster (580120) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851255)

It seems like every generation comes up with a sign for the mark. Here is my brief history of the mark of the beast. Feel free to add yours.

Social Security Numbers
Punchcards (They used to be included with your utility bills)
Drivers License Numbers
Credit Card Numbers
Bar Codes
IP Addressess
Bill Gates full name converted to ASCII and summed.
CPU IDs
and now.... RFID (Which is really just a modern bar code.)

I think the "mark of the beast" might be figurative language in the book of Revelation, but talking about apocalytic literature can be like running the Boston marathon is quicksand. It is amazing how a 10 page book of the Bible could be expanded into a 2000+ page box set and miniseries [amazon.com] . Maybe 666 is just a number that represents imperfection three times over.... What? I pity the fool that says the mark of the beast isn't a literal number stamped on the forehead... Ow, don't hurt me Mr. T....

Re:My Grandma thought punchcards were the mark... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851360)

Maybe 666 is just a number that represents imperfection three times over....


Except that 6 is a perfect number (Look it up yourself). So that makes no sense at all. Unless mathematical perfection is Satan's work.

oh cmon (5, Insightful)

lpret (570480) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851266)

Revelations is a perfect specemin of apocalyptic literature. Here's a good definition of such literature: Hermeneutics [messiahskingdom.com] .

It's written to warn and to use descriptive language to explain what the future holds. The idea of head and right hand are frequently used to depict what we think (head) and what we do (hand). As such, in this particular instance, the warning is not when we have implants in our heads or hands, it's when we think and do evil things.

Interpreting apocalyptic literature as truth verbatim is not only stupid, it's dangerous.

Not gunna happen (3, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851267)

Everyone who thinks that somehow, someday, everything is going to switch over to an RFID system are insane.

Lemme tell you why: The Black Market

The black market is never going to dissappear. It is fueled by personal anonymity and cash (because cash money is anonymous).

While the black market isn't necessarily something to be proud of, it shows up whenever there are market inefficiences or certain niches that aren't being fulfilled.

Money from the black market is like money from Bush's tax cuts... it trickles down into the rest of the economey and boosts it up.

Re:Not gunna happen (1)

JeffSh (71237) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851278)

cash money will only be anonymous so long as embedding RFID chips in them isn't practical. :)

i am curious about what will happen when that happens, or if it should. the implications are pretty huge. imagine a full currency system trackable like that, quite incredible.

Re:Not gunna happen (2, Insightful)

big tex (15917) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851356)

When that happens, the new 'Numbered Swiss Bank Account' will be the currency from one of the countries that refuses to tag their currency.
You won't ever be able to stop the currency exchange.

East of Ealing (1)

simon_clarkstone (750637) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851271)

Actually, Robert Rankin proposed something rather similar in his (bizzare and humorus) book East of Ealing. It was written and is set before the days of RFID tags, and features barcodes instead. Like in many of his stories, the End of the World is prevented by the heros. Froogle link [google.co.uk]

The Enemy of your Enemy is your Friend (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851279)

No, it doesn't speak well for the state of our nation that those who are concerned about governments and corporations extended their ability to pry into as well as control our lives are brushed aside as tin-foil hat wearing kooks or terrorist sympathisers (regardless of how moderate and rational they may be) while born-again Christians are taken seriously by the Powers-that-Be.

But in this case, it may be a good thing for both camps. Fear of "The Mark of the Beast" is a big thing to the born again Christian. And it may end up being what keeps America from adopting such things as madatory RFID implants or national ID cards. I'm not even sure such things (at least the latter) wouldn't have been part of the Patriot Act if the fundies didn't have that fear.

By the way, if you want to see a classic 70's "End Times" movie, check out: (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1888568003/103-8 720932-4993469?v=glance&n=404272 [amazon.com] )

Ed Wood quality... And I guarantee you will have nightmares.

Biometrics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851287)


the mark of the beast will be YOU
why do you think there is the great rush towards a cashless society ? it wont be long before you cant buy or do anything without a biometrically enforced credit card
and then we have arrived

luckily most people today who call themselves "christian" will be met at the gates of hell
go to church and listen to the preacher talk about how to improve YOUR life not your fellow neighbours

If she were a REAL Christian (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851288)

she'd be happy to see another sign of the End Times. I mean, teh Rapture is upon us!!!

Pope is the Antichrist - Traditional View (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851289)

The traditional view of all major Christian churches and
the reformers is that the pope is the antichrist and the
Roman Catholic church the great whore.
http://www.rev14.info/ [rev14.info]

I have a list of all the major churches who had the
pope is the antichrist in their Confessions of Faith*,
including baptists, presberterians, luthereans, methodists,
calvanists, and more on my website.

If this view is correct, that the pope is the antichrist, and
the roman catholic church is babylon the great, than obviously,
the mark of the beast also already has (and does) exist. I
also have this on my website - the traditional, gospel view
and interpretation (as if the bible had something to do with
the gospel!!)

With the Roman Catholic church continued to be involved in
numerous scandals, including the raping of more than
10,000 boys by its priests, claiming that the mark of the
beast is something other than what traditionally Christians
have said it is probably has political consequence as well:

It allows apostate Christians and silly idiots continue to
fellowship wiht the Roman Catholic church instead of splitting
with it and refusing to have anything to do with it.

The mark of the beast == microchip implant means
continuing to look the other way with the rapes of little
boys.

http://www.rev14.info/ [rev14.info]

Re:Pope is the Antichrist - Traditional View (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851330)

FYI:

I'm not sure idiot is the right word for making up something about microchip implants, although I believe you would be hard press to find the testimony and gospel of Jesus Christ having anything to do with the antichrist, hard pressed to find anyone two hundred years ago who didn't understand Revelation as having to do with salvation and the gospel (the pope is the antichrist), and easily explainable how to justify their fellowshiping and political support of the Roman Catholic church if they also believed it was the great whore - although it seems to me that is hard to justify based on the sheer amount of evil they've done alone, including raping all the kids And Still covering it up.

http://www.rev14.info/ [rev14.info] (for a real interpretation of Revelation, and a traditional one)

Revelation 19:10 - worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

The end is NEAR(er) (2, Insightful)

schroedogg (596283) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851293)

We are getting closer to the end of the world every day. That is true no matter what your religious convictions.

isn't this sort of silly by anyone's standards? (1)

mrpeebles (853978) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851300)

Let's grant for a moment that the literal Rapture will come, perhaps right out of the "Left Behind" books. Even so, isn't it sort of silly to worry about RFID? Won't getting the mark of the "Beast" have to accompany some sort of decision that you know has religious weight behind it, in the sense you know you aren't just choosing to buy and sell, but to "pay" for the privilege of buying and selling by following the beast. In other words, you don't have to worry about Satan doing the equivalent of, say, hiding at the county fair, and substituting his "666" for the stamp they give you to let leave to get lunch and then come back, right? Perhaps this is supposed to be interesting as technology that would allow the Beast to, uh, do his thing, but when all you really need is tatoo technology that has been around for thousands of years to mark people with "666", how is it interesting in that way either? In any case, we should all welcome the Rapture. If believing the Bible more or less literally is all that is going to get me eternal salvation, I know I for one would rather go ahead and have the tiny demon flies come now, so that I know to change my mind, instead of after I'm dead when it's too late. All the same, my guess is this has real political implications. For example, I think a lot of conservative Christians dislike the UN in part because they think it may eventually be the tool of the Antichrist.

Those nuts said the same thing wSocial Security #s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851301)

And look how the SS# has slowly crept into all areas of medicine, business, and loans, etc to become a defacto national ID number and requirement for everything from driving to buying cold medicine. Maybe they are right about RFID. I wonder how long until they'll be implanting them in our kids, for some public health/safety reason or other.

As a life-long Apple Macintosh user... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851303)

this brings new meaning to the phrase "Satan Inside" in the context of humans both being injected with RFID tags and Apple's switch to Borg (Intel) processors. Looks like Apple got assimilated after all. Fucking Borg! Yeah! Go ahead! Mod me down as T R O L L !

The cattle have already been branded.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851304)

Whether you are christian, muslam, hindu, republican, democrat, etc. you have already been essentially marked.

I like to think of myself as a 'free-range' human as I don't believe in any religion or polictical party..

Also, did anyone else notice that the word 'lie' sits directly in the middle of the word 'believe'?

Maybe that's why I don't BELIEVE in the bullshit most other people seem to..

Cumulatively interesting (1)

bennyp (809286) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851306)

the approaching singularity, the use of RFIDs, possibly inside human bodies, the so called end of the mayan calendar in 2012, the nearing of the 6000 year time limit of biblical prophesy... interesting times are ahead that's for sure.... other than that.. I'm withholding my statement just yet... I'd rather keep my eyes (and my mind) open to every possibility.

Other Technology isn't readable without contact (4, Insightful)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851331)

Others are skeptical saying that many new technologies, such as the printing press, bar-codes, and several others, have also created fears about the beginning of the end.

Barcodes and print can be covered. Credit cards and magnetic stripes have to be practically inserted into the machine to read em.... the field strength is too weak otherwise. If you keep em in your wallet your are safe.

All of the other technolgies that might be used to track your actions require you to willingly and deliberately use them. You don't have to use plastic to pay for purchasses is one example. Use cash.

With RFID tags, they can be read from within metres of you so anyone just passing by you on the street can access all of the tags on you if they like. Anyone outside your house can read all of the RFID tags on your household equipment, books, porno, etc and figure out a bit about you completely without your knowledge.

RFID is this technology that nobody really cares about except the people who would want to misuse it and the tinfoil hat brigade. Problem is that the tinfoil hat brigade will be made out to look like crackpots by the people who seek to abuse the technology.

But this time it's for real! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851336)

have also created fears about the beginning of the end."

But this time it's for real!

616

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851341)

I never post here, but I have to say that this is absolutely the most retarded post I have ever read on Slashdot.

sure (1)

cpuenvy (544708) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851347)

And in other news, CmdrTaco found a better mod system.

Telsa Coil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14851348)

I guess I finally have another use for that old Violet Ray
device! Zip zappety zap!

Don't Forget Your Towel (2, Funny)

LordVaderSithLord (958227) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851352)

Remember that the answer is 42. Don't forget your towel, and above all else DON'T PANIC. Please remember too that God's final message to his creations was "Sorry for the Inconvenience." This too shall pass.

Take yer pick (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851355)

There are dozens of ways we enumerate people today. Social Security Numbers, driver's license, telephone, voice mail box, theatre ticket numbers, just because it's not tattooed on your body doesn't mean it's not your number. If the radicals want to take a position, they have more than enough other issues to yell about, this is just the latest addition to the bottom of the list.

Though all these things are physically separate from your body. When we get into tattoos, RFID, implants, etc., I think that's where people think a line has been crossed, because an identifying change has been made to your body, a change that may be difficult to escape or leave behind.

DNA sampling and fingerprinting seem to blur even that line. It's something you can't escape or leave behind, but it's not something that's added to you, it's an inherent quality of you. These seem to be the current "front lines" for this issue, so I don't foresee the disconnected identifiers becomging a hot topic until dna and fingerprinting becomes completely acceptable. Then they'll move on to the more obscure and disconnected things.

But consider the efficiency! (1)

Stuntmonkey (557875) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851357)

The end of the world has to come sometime, right? I think we can all look forward to the speed and efficiency that RFID will provide to this process. RFID will allow all of the scanning and sorting to be done remotely, in a fast, efficient, and automated manner. Consider the alternative: Waiting in some enormous line so that some flunky can manually verify your identity (using some old-school Mark of the Beast, e.g., SSN, driver's licence), all to find out which oven you should report to and which sort of eternal damnation is best suited to your needs. Imagine everyone going to the DMV at once, and you get a sense of the horror this would entail. I say if we need to end this thing, let's do it as quickly and efficiently as possible. RFID might not be the final solution, but it is clearly a step in the right direction.

Mandate the RFID chip be implanted in left hand (1)

SensitiveMale (155605) | more than 8 years ago | (#14851358)

Seems like an easy way to get around the end of the world
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