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Playing the World From a Basement

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the folks-who-don't-like-to-leave-their-basement dept.

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Albanach writes "Singer songwriter Sandi Thom is one of a growing band of new musicians using the internet to circumvent the traditional and traditionally expensive tour circuit. Thom described her free online concerts as a Web Tour, saying 'A web tour is basically what you do when you have a lack of money and no car.' Services such as The Streaming Tank have grown to satisfy the need for broadcast services and the figures are impressive. Just 74 people watched Thom's first concert on February 24th. The concert on March 2nd drew 62,138 viewers."

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concert feeling (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869043)

Will there be some drunkard in front of me spilling beer on my shoes? Or better yet, one on stage spilling beer on the computer so that the feed fizzles out in the middle of the show? If so, then they're certainly a good ways to capturing that live concert feeling...

Link to her website, maybe? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869075)

http://www.sandithom.com/ [sandithom.com]

Re:Link to her website, maybe? (2, Funny)

0110011001110101 (881374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869171)

Oh nice move mr. Linkey. Now she'll get 6,123,456 viewers for her next show, which will probably get slashdotted about halfway through....

Honestly, think things through jackass. /sarcasm

Re:concert feeling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869198)

Posting as AC since I modded you +1 I did include her site in the original submission, but it was editied out - presumably because the front page includes music. Thanks for posting the URL. Alb.

To: U.S. Patriots +1, Idiotic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869423)

Playing the world is too complicated.

It's easier to just sell it short and buy on the low side.
That's the plan for the ownership society promoted by George W. Bush.

BushCo owns. You rent.

Feloniously yours,
President-VICE Richard B. Cheney [whitehouse.org]

P.S. Defend America: Buy More

Who? (4, Funny)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869055)

Just 74 people watched Thom's first concert on February 24th. The concert on March 2nd drew 62,138 viewers.

I guess that, at that rate, I won't be saying "who?" in a week or 2.

Re:Who? (1, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869095)

That kid of viewership numbers could be easily explained if she performs in the nude.

But I expect there was some marketing of some sort for the 3/2 show, and not the 2/24 show. Even so, I think you're right.

My question is, will she sign with a major label and perpetuate the crap we deal with from the RIAA?

Re:Who? (4, Insightful)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869659)

My question is, will she sign with a major label and perpetuate the crap we deal with from the RIAA?

She probably will, but that's just because the RIAA still has more marketing muscle than anyone else. However, there is no question that the balance of power is shifting in favor of the artists. The primary reason that the RIAA is so powerful is that historically the RIAA controlled the primary means of marketing music. Unless you signed a deal with a major record label you couldn't get your song played on the radio, you couldn't get yourself professionally recorded, your CDs didn't end up in record stores, and you couldn't play the larger venues.

These days creating, publishing, and distributing your own CDs is ridiculously simple, and it is possible to play in front of thousands of fans over the Internet. If the record labels continue to pretend that they have all of the leverage then we will undoubtedly see a shift towards more popular bands that choose to remain self-produced.

Re:Who? (2, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869738)

Hopefully, absolutely right.

I checked, she's signed with Legacy, an indie in the UK. I don't know what her contract terms are, but she's been getting airplay there...

Re:Who? (3, Funny)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869106)

I guess that, at that rate, I won't be saying "who?" in a week or 2.

Just be careful you don't ask who's the band online [thealmightyguru.com] when your nephew is nearby.

Re:Who? (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869193)

I've been looking for this. Best "Who's on first" since the original. Thanks.

Goofè (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869334)

Best "Who's on first" since the original.

What? I Don't Know...

who? (1)

jftitan (736933) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870427)

Who?

how (2, Interesting)

dotpavan (829804) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869072)

.. different is it (live webcast) from a recorded viewing? Live concerts have the euphoria that is multiplied by the crowd unlike in thsi case (making no difference). But yes, it does give them some publicity and help them test waters before actually launching a tour.

Re:how (3, Informative)

kebes (861706) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869262)

How different is it (live webcast) from a recorded viewing?

Actually apparently these are not even live. They are recorded daily and rebroadcast. From TFA:
Thom uses a webcam to record a nightly performance before broadcasting it on the net later in the evening. (Emphasis added.)

So actually this is just drumming up support by webcasting performances you do in your basement. Still a good idea, but as you say this is no substitute for going to a live show. Sure you save the costs of going on tour, but real music lovers will be much more willing to spend money on a live show, as compared to a low-resolution webcast.

A more interesting concept would be an actual live webcast with some measure of user-feedback. Maybe pre or post online chats/interviews with the band members? Maybe the band could take live requests? Maybe the band could adjust their performance based on the number of viewers and the demographics? ("I see alot of people logging in from London... welcome! This one is for you...").

Low-resolution webcast? (1)

b00m3rang (682108) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869796)

As opposed to the 30 year old blown speakers in some shitty club, cranked up way past the limits of the system, pumping out more distortion than music? Not that there aren't good sounding systems out there, but it's not likely this band is going to be playing on one, in your area, anytime soon.

Re:how (3, Informative)

Reapy (688651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869916)

There actually are some things like this in Second Life. A few musicians play weekly concerts in the game. They set up a streaming server, get a location in world, and people show up with the avatars and listen to person playing, who is also present in world. Often on the stream they will comment on the chat between songs and take requests.

Granted the quality and flavor is that of a local bar rather then a "profesional" concert, but I found the experience to be quite unique.

Re:how (1)

bobbyshade (906085) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869946)

A great excample of live webcasting is Levon Helm's "Midnight Ramble Sessions". For a resonable fee you get to watch Levon's band and guests live from his studio in Woodstock, NY. http://www.levonhelm.com/midnight_ramble.htm [levonhelm.com] I pay my $ and my friends and I watch on the big screen from the computer projector. My Band www.deepwoodsband.com

Re:how (2, Interesting)

BlueStrat (756137) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870909)

Actually apparently these are not even live. They are recorded daily and rebroadcast. From TFA:
Thom uses a webcam to record a nightly performance before broadcasting it on the net later in the evening. (Emphasis added.)

So actually this is just drumming up support by webcasting performances you do in your basement. Still a good idea, but as you say this is no substitute for going to a live show. Sure you save the costs of going on tour, but real music lovers will be much more willing to spend money on a live show, as compared to a low-resolution webcast.

A more interesting concept would be an actual live webcast with some measure of user-feedback. Maybe pre or post online chats/interviews with the band members? Maybe the band could take live requests? Maybe the band could adjust their performance based on the number of viewers and the demographics? ("I see alot of people logging in from London... welcome! This one is for you...").


I'm looking at doing something like that right now for the band I'm in. I'm the "computer guy" in the band (run linux, a couple *BSDs, OpenSolaris, etc) so, I'm the one they ask about things like this.

The biggest obstacle I've encountered so far to doing a "live" webconcert from a venue like a club, festival, and even many larger theatres and auditoriums is lack of high speed connectivity.

I'm currently talking with the local blues association and one of the local clubs that is a heavy blues/live music supporter and advocate about getting something like this to happen.

The only option for anything other than dialup is cable broadband (too far from a CO for DSL/ADSL).

One of the concerns the club owner has is if this will make him liable for anything related to playing of cover tunes of copyrighted material, or possibly legal concerns if, for instance, a female patron has a "wardrobe malfunction" after imbibing a little too much.

Having the connection in someone other than the properties' leasees' or owners' name is also verboten by the local cable monopoly, so having it in the blues associations' name is out.

Also, because it's a commercial-zoned property and a buisiness, a commercial connection must be purchased.

Municipal/community wifi/wimax would sure help, but no chance of that here anytime soon. They're more worried at the moment with trying to raise enough money to keep a functioning fire and police dept.

So, for now, it looks like the most practical way is to broadcast/upload a show recorded earlier live. Too bad, as I'd love to play live to such a diverse audience, especially if there were an interactive component.

What a thrill as a musician to get "applause" from across the globe, while playing your favorite local venue!

Strat

Re:how (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870934)

It would have been nice if they had had something like this when the who did tommy way back when. the live show was the best, but would be great to re live over and over again. posted this from cell phone, but i could not log on as my user cayenne8 :(

Fixed that typo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14870223)

Thom described her free online concerts as a Web Tour, saying 'A web tour is basically what you do when you have a lack of money and no career.'

I don't know... (5, Funny)

Nosferax (836254) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869074)

I don't know... sitting alone in front of my computer with my lighter just isn't the same...

Re:I don't know... (4, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869100)

Depends on what you're doing with that lighter... ; )

Re:I don't know... (2, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869134)

I don't know... sitting alone in front of my computer with my lighter just isn't the same...

I know what you mean, now everyone is just using the light from their cell phones. [mikedoughty.com]

Re:I don't know... (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869506)

I know what you mean, now everyone is just using the light from their cell phones.

wow, so many camera phones/recording devices...

Oh from the basement... (4, Funny)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869083)

I'm kinda thankful they aren't trying out the traditional bathroom-singing business model. Granted, the acoustics are nice, but the visuals suck...except for female musicians, ofcourse.

Re:Oh from the basement... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869143)

Wait till I launch my World From a Bathtub tour in a few weeks. That's sure to garner me some international attention!

Re:Oh from the basement... (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869840)

I'm kinda thankful they aren't trying out the traditional bathroom-singing business model. Granted, the acoustics are nice, but the visuals suck...except for female musicians, ofcourse.

Oh, I dunno.

Women singing while peeing wouldn't be that far from some videos I've seen. You could probably market that. ;-P

Re:Oh from the basement... (1)

why-is-it (318134) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869917)

Women singing while peeing wouldn't be that far from some videos I've seen. You could probably market that. ;-P

Given the overly-specific nature of some Japanese pr0n, I suspect that someone has done that already!

singing AND the bathroom (1)

Savatte (111615) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869987)

I think Chuck Berry's eyes just opened a wide as they can.

buffering......buffering... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869096)

scratchy vocals and music. ... too many people logged on....&$@*(*$#^^^[NO CARRIER]

Sounds like fun.

Internet concert maths... (4, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869110)

Just 74 people watched Thom's first concert on February 24th. The concert on March 2nd drew 62,138 viewers.So, are there 62,064 people now sifting through the piracy sites for a torrent of an Xvid rip of the first one?

Ok see if this works (1)

od05 (915556) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869118)

Go to licktheblade.com and let's see how many people show up at the next show...

http://www.licktheblade.com/ [licktheblade.com]

Re:Ok see if this works (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869555)

cheers... free music folks... "Iron Maiden" stylee... if you want to know who they sound like...

Ironically enough... (3, Interesting)

kotj.mf (645325) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869128)

Touring is about the only way an indie artist can make any money these days, at least in the US.

Your margins on the merch are way better, and the beer is free.

Re:Ironically enough... (4, Insightful)

Shadarr (11622) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869221)

I was thinking the same thing. The new business model should be to give away the recordings because they were always a loss leader anyway, and make your money on live shows and merch. I would guess that she's generating a lot more buzz than she really should, just because she's doing something "new." Once this becomes the norm, it won't be viable.

Re:Ironically enough... (4, Insightful)

soupdevil (587476) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869399)

The assumption is that every artist is a live performer. While live performance is one talent, recording, remixing, songwriting, arranging, and many other musical skills don't lend themselves well to the stage. But music would be much poorer without them.

There will always be a place for live bands. But I hope we as a society don't lose the ability to reward those who create music in other ways.

Re:Ironically enough... (2, Insightful)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869536)

The new business model should be to give away the recordings because they were always a loss leader anyway, and make your money on live shows and merch.

That is not the new business model, its the only one.

It kills me that someone actually thinks that one can be a millionaire for life because they spend a couple of weeks in a recording studio. Granted, some people do. Sting reportedly makes $2,000 a day off of "Every breath you take". Who pays this is beyond me. But still, that is "only" 0.75 mil a year for one of the most popular songs ever recorded. The lottery is a much better investment for those that don't want to work and have cash.

Re:Ironically enough... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869231)

These days? That's the only way indie bands have ever been able to make any money...

Re:Ironically enough... (1)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870884)

"...and the beer is free."
Unless you're the Blues Brothers.

RAWHIDE!

As a musician . . . (4, Interesting)

galonso (705202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869161)

As a musician, I think this is very exciting. The 'alternative' conventional wisdom of late has been that marketing your band/music online is the wave of the future, but I'm not aware of a concerted (heh) streaming approach that includes performances. Most articles I've read push distribution and marketing in the traditional mp3 sort of sense.

This reminds me of the time when bands were experimenting with slide shows (pre-automation) run by a 'stealth' band member alla early Human League to give a multimedia edge to their presentation. With current technology, why not have a web presence with streaming concert video 'events' as the center piece to the normal mp3 / wallpaper / avant design elements.

Heck, why not have interative art featuring music and graphics based on the old quaint notion of a 'concept album' . . .

Limitations (2, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869433)

Bandwidth on the Internet is a major problem. Well, unless it's sent out over multicast with reflectors serving those still using unicast-only ISPs. Good compression helps, of course, but good compression reduces quality and is expensive on CPUs.


The problems are all solvable - don't get me wrong - but it takes either a lot of money or someone with a lot of skill to get something like that set up, and the skill option is the only scalable one.

Re:Limitations (1)

jrockway (229604) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870476)

Two words: Google Video. Google has PLENTY of bandwidth.

As a musician . . .A GPU is worth a thousand words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869491)

"Heck, why not have interative art featuring music and graphics based on the old quaint notion of a 'concept album' . . ."

Yay! Something to give my consoles GPU something to do.

mp3 is out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14870189)

They're all feeding through macromedia, so if you want to share it with your friends you have send them to the source. It sucks for me, cos you can't always preload that streaming stuff on dialup, it's all jerky and lame.

Traditional MP3 sense? (1)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870786)

Did the line "marketing in the traditional mp3 sort of sense." make anyone else feel old? That MP3s can be considered traditional makes me feel old... my first bought recording was a 12" LP for god's sake!

Other Advantages (4, Funny)

Flwyd (607088) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869172)

Concert attendees didn't have to pay $5 to get a beer from the fridge.

Re:Other Advantages (0, Offtopic)

Wikipedia (928774) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869316)

spam test [mailto]

Re:Other Advantages (0)

jellings (199721) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869327)

you also need not suffer the consequences of second hand smoke . . . the number one reason to NOT see a live band these days, IMO.

Re:Other Advantages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869778)

OH GOD GET THE STUPID OFF OF ME! WHY DO I SUBJECT MYSELF TO THIS SITE?

(No, it wasn't all your fault)
lameness filter lameness filter lameness filter lameness filter sucks

Re:Other Advantages (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869376)

But stagediving off the living room couch is kinda lame though.

Re:Other Advantages (1)

this1kid (910191) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869518)

Not if you're five years old.

5 dollars? (1)

danpsmith (922127) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869470)

Beers must be cheap at your shows...

Re:Other Advantages (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869620)

No convenience fees paid to TicketBastard (TicketMaster) either!

Re:Other Advantages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869929)

They also enjoyed smoking out of their 5 foot bongs, instead of having to pass a roach between 50 people.

Free live karaoke concert 9pm-2am pst tue-sat (1)

t0qer (230538) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869189)

I run toqerTV [205.188.215.229] , the only live streaming broadcast of karaoke in the world. You may not like karaoke and terrible singing, but if you like seeing drunk girls jump up and down then we're for you.

I did try to do real musicians one sunday. For about 5 hours we broadcasted various local rap artists. Ratings online sucked, and everyone that came to the show just ordered water.

Re:Free live karaoke concert 9pm-2am pst tue-sat (1)

drooling-dog (189103) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869364)

Interesting. That might explain why American Idol does so well. The media surrounds us with people who are much more talented than we are, but where do we go to see/hear people who suck as badly as we do? It's very reassuring.

Re:Free live karaoke concert 9pm-2am pst tue-sat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869774)

Actually, it's seeing the people who SUCK SO BAD and Don't Realize it that is sobering. I mean, people tell you stuff you've done is good all the time even though most people inside know that it wasn't done that great, and there on TV are people who are completely oblivious to their own inability to sing. so we learn that if you felt you could have done better, the people who said 'you did fine' are Just Lying/trying to make you feel better about how awful you were.

the rule is if you thought you could have done better, you COULD have done better, so next time do your BEST, and if that isn't good enough (odds are it isn't) then consider what else you could be doing.

Re:Free live karaoke concert 9pm-2am pst tue-sat (1)

goarilla (908067) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869388)

i hear no sound neither with mplayer nor (g)xine which audio codec do you use?

Re:Free live karaoke concert 9pm-2am pst tue-sat (1)

t0qer (230538) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869444)

AACP or sometimes known as ACC+

Thread on configuration Here [winamp.com]

Re:Free live karaoke concert 9pm-2am pst tue-sat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869509)

Didn't you read the parent???
He even admitted you're much better off without the sound codec installed!

Playing the world? (2, Insightful)

fak3r (917687) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869286)

I thought this article was going to be a slam at the standard /. meme; a loaner living in his parents basement playing World of Warcraft all hours of the night!

As it stands, it's a nice idea to try and spread music/art this way, but it will *never* come close to providing the atomosphere/feeling that one gets at a concert or art gallery.

Re:Playing the world? (2, Funny)

KarateExplosions (959215) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869344)

I was going to say the exact same thing, except I was probably going to be a total sarcastic asshole about it.

Great chance for new musicians (2, Insightful)

coffeechica (948145) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869305)

I think this is an excellent opportunity for an upcoming musician/band. It gets you some publicity, people can check you out, and maybe they'll remember your name once you actually play in a club somewhere. Perhaps you could even sell your music this way - and you'd cut out the middle man and actually get more than the measly 16cents or so. It's going to be word-of-mouth, but that works often enough.

Can't beat it (4, Funny)

edmicman (830206) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869323)

Nothing like being in the mosh pit by yourself in front of the computer. And my mom wonders why I keep breaking all my stuff!

Re:Can't beat it (1)

Night Goat (18437) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870114)

That comment reminded me of a scene in the movie "S.F.W." [imdb.com] where Spab and his friend mosh around and wreck Spab's room. Funny stuff.

The real question is? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869328)

Is she hot?

Re:The real question is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869483)

if you would RT(F)A, you would have seen that Yes, she is hot. Quite a tasy treat..... might have to tune in one evening.

Re:The real question is? (2, Informative)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869582)

YES!!! [sandithom.com]

Re:The real question is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869622)

62,138 came for the concert huh... yeah right, I've seen her pictures.
 
  Wait you mean she was singing too?

This isn't "touring" (1, Insightful)

LazyPhoenix (773952) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869397)

Sure, the intarwebs have been great for bands -- including mine! [bluemoonshineband.com] -- but, for me, the joy, the passion, the reason for doing it is the live shows. I love touring to new towns and clubs and making new fans. People dancing, drinking, having a great time. Playing music FOR people.

I think the advent of easier video will continue to bring great opportunities to indie musicians, but it ain't touring.

Distribution without the cartels (0)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869407)

The push for hardware based DRM is being financed by the distribution cartels -- the same people who use the force of copyright to earn a buck.

The push for better independent entertainment online may not be strong enough to topple the future DRM schemes, leading to an Internet where these broadcasts may not happen.

I'm anti-copyright in every situation. I strongly believe that artists can now find new ways to earn a living without the need to use government force to protect fictional property. I'm financing a studio in Chicago called No Copyright Studios ( soon to be at http://www.nocopyrightstudios.com/ [nocopyrightstudios.com] ) later this year to try out new ways for musicians, podcasters, and artists in general to make money without copyright.

Playing live online is one of our ideas. We figure you can give away the mastered songs to get people to want to come to live shows. We also figure that bands can do fairly well with live acoustic performances online, or maybe even offering people who buy the band's official album a password to see the band practice in the studio, or record.

Artists like the one mentioned are finding new ways to make a living without forcing people to follow ancient laws. In your job, do you get residual payments for past work? Generally not. Neither should artists. Income to me means work -- repeated work over time. If you're lucky enough to produce something that millions want, you should have the drive to go and perform live for them to make your living. Making a 20 cent CD and thinking that the law protects your right to charge $15 per piece for it is ridiculous -- find new ways to sell that CD for $15 by offering value added services and products with every purchase.

My big fear, though, is that we'll see the Internet become cartel-controlled, making it hard or impossible for indy media to break into the system. Right now we have torrents and various new media websites, but how long will that last if Internet 3.0 is back in the hands of those who have abused the power of copyright for decades and decades?

Distribution without the Reality. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14869653)

"The push for hardware based DRM is being financed by the distribution cartels -- the same people who use the force of copyright to earn a buck."

That's OK. I use the force of contract law to earn a living.

"I'm anti-copyright in every situation. I strongly believe that artists can now find new ways to earn a living without the need to use government force to protect fictional property."

And I'm anti-contract law. I too strongly believe that everyone (inncluding you) can earn a living without using government force to protect the fictional results we create.

"My big fear, though, is that we'll see the Internet become cartel-controlled, making it hard or impossible for indy media to break into the system. Right now we have torrents and various new media websites, but how long will that last if Internet 3.0 is back in the hands of those who have abused the power of copyright for decades and decades?"

*rolls eyes*

Give the man a sandwich board and a bell, and let him walk the streets "The world ends tomorrow". Never mind that no one has the courage (let alone remember) to call out the prophets when their gloom and doom doesn't come true.

Re:Distribution without the cartels (1)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870305)

offering people who buy the band's official album a password to see the band practice

Huh, but you just said you would give the songs away? Still, good luck with the venture, though you face an Everest-sized barrier. Someone has to start, I guess. I'd back the residual rights point you make, too... if I get a plumber to fix my leaky tap, do I pay him every time I fill the bowl?

Success? (3, Funny)

XMilkProject (935232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869426)

1st Show: Unheard of band attracts 74 brave souls. 2nd Show: Word of mouth brings 62,138 happy listeners. 3rd Show: Slashdot effects takes down your server before the show starts. 4th Show: Your still trying to pay all the extra bandwidth charges from Show #3.

DVD Live Performance (3, Insightful)

Leviathant (558659) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869479)

Whenever I go to see a band play, it usually smells kinda funny at the venue. Sometimes the singer gets the words wrong, or the drummer messes up on my favorite fill. I usually have to drive an hour to the nearest decent venue, spend money on parking, and all that. The songs don't sound the same as they do on the CD, and the musicians aren't nearly as attractive as they looked on the album artwork.

That's why I like to buy DVDs of my favorite bands performing "live" in my living room. It's all the excitement of seeing my favorite band, without having to worry about the microphones not working, and especially without the bother of other people. I can pause the performance and go pee without anyone offering me illicit drugs. If you time it right, you might even get a package deal at the FYE, where you can get a discount on a concert tshirt if you buy the DVD at the same time. AND! And the concert's in 5.1! I don't think most venues are set up to play in 5.1 surround sound yet, they're still only outputting stereo.


No one ever says, Dude, you remember watching that concert at Matt's place in 2002? That was amazing!

Re:DVD Live Performance (2, Funny)

Reducer2001 (197985) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869615)

go pee without anyone offering me illicit drugs

Dude, that's the best part!

Re:DVD Live Performance (3, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869648)

That's why I like to buy DVDs of my favorite bands performing "live" in my living room.

I am interested in playing your 'living room' venue, but I have a few questions. What capacity is it? Does the band provide the DVD, or is the recording done 'in house'?

Are food and drink provided in the dressing room, or trailer?

What are your preferred set times, and who do I need to send the stage plot to?

Thanks for your attention,
teamhasnoi - The Schmoejoes

Re:DVD Live Performance (2, Funny)

LordSnooty (853791) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870336)

And most importantly - can you fit a 60' inflatible pig in the living room?

For that accurate home/festival experience, place your TV at the bottom of the garden, and watch through the kitchen window. If you need to pee, wait for 30 mins at the bathroom door first. Or just do it behind the sofa, everyone else does.

Live Music already quite popular in Second Life (4, Interesting)

johnthorensen (539527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869530)

I'm a resident of Second Life [secondlife.com] , an online virtual world. Very different than a MMORPG, it's basically an open-ended place for people to socialize, build, et cetera. Second Life is also unique in that you own the copyright of any content you create in-world. This has lead to some really creative and clever objects.

More to the point though, the phenomenon of live music has really taken hold within Second Life. There are several artist residents (Astrin Few and Flaming Moe are two I can think of) who hold regular concerts, play in virtual taverns, and overall take advantage of the relatively cultured community that exists within the world (the client supports streaming audio via ShoutCast servers). I also know of a Live Music Festival (organized by a resident named Nethermind Bliss) that will be happening this year, with both a true live venue on the east cost and a virtual venue in-world. This hybrid event will be a great opportunity to expose residents to some talented artists.

-JT

Re:Live Music already quite popular in Second Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14870146)

Instead of spending so much time in a fantasy world why not use it to help improve the lives of real people by volunteering at a soup kitchen or becoming a Big Brother? I can guarantee that it will be more rewarding and as a bonus you will be helping make your real community a better place to live.

Re:Live Music already quite popular in Second Life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14870652)

Instead of spending so much time being a retarded troll, why not help improve the lives of real people by volunteering to kill yourself? I can guarantee that it will be more rewarding and as a bonus you will be helping make your community a better place to live.

Thanks.

Re:Live Music already quite popular in Second Life (1)

ka-klick (160833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870187)

The music scene in SL is really exploding. Another of the "old guard" of pioneering performers in SL is Frogg Marlowe and he often (usually) plays with (at the same time) Jaycatt Nico. Recently a pretty good number of us have started making our way onto the virtual stages around SL. I go by Kaklick Martin and perform at least a few times a month, Melvin Took, Slim Warrior, Cylindrian Ruttabega, Mel Cheeky, DimiVan Ludwig... all artists worth going and checking out. I know there are many I'm missing here, these are one's I've heard and know, but there are many excellent musicians playing SL stages these days.

For those here in /. it's an excellent opportunity to find some great (NON-RIAA infected) music. If every anonymous coward that bellyaches about how all music sucks these days would just check out and invest in some of the great truly independent artists out there...

If you're curious about this, but don't want to dive into SL, my homepage is my Live365 station, that plays self-produced music (from me and a few of the above mentioned acts, and several others who aren't yet on SL).

Re:Live Music already quite popular in Second Life (5, Insightful)

metlin (258108) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870205)

I'm a resident of real life.

Very different from a make-believe world, we meet together every weekend and play music, build things, socialize etc etc. Even in our real worlld, we own the copyrights to the things we create.

For example, just last week, we built a bed for my apartment which I own. All of this has led to some really creative and clever objects, such as lego beer dispensers.

Anyway, more to the point, music has really taken hold in our real lives. Me and my friends go to concerts, and we even play in a local band! There are several bars (Hofbrauhaus and Beer Sellar are two I can think of) where real musicians play in real bars with real beer and real women with real boobs. Okay, maybe not the last one. Sadly, not all of us are a cultured people, but it has however taught us such things as tolerance. For those of us do like tolerance, we go to these things called musicals, orchestras and theatre plays.

I also know of these music festivals like the Celtic and Renaissance music festivals that have been happening for a couple of hundred years, where once again you get to meet real *shudder* people. Those that like this can actually go to the websites (virtual, virtual!) and look up cool stuff.

More important to the point, doing this has taught me and my friends some good social skills, gotten us free beer and live music - and sex.

But go ahead, though. I'm sure a virtual life is infinitely more enjoyable. I mean, we sure as hell can't do all that stuff in real life, right? Right?

After checking out her site... (1)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869550)

It seems that she is really selling exclusitivity (is that a word?) in the sense that her @home shows are all sold out. Obviously, you can't sell out a stream (within hardware limitations), but she is also peddling 10 seats at the physical location.

This twist is new enough that it's going to get her some eyeballs, and some fans - who will hopefully go on to buy the physical merch, such as CDs, tshirts and the like...or better yet, tell their pals.

I can't see this working for everyone - she's really going at it with a show every day. She also is good, which (depending on your tastes, and where you look) is hard to find. I found her to be like something I'd hear on American Idol, but YMMV.

The genius of this is that the whole thing is on her terms, which for a musician/band playing out is rare. Start times are set by the venue, pay is still what it was in the mid-70's (thanks in large part to crappy bands that will play for free, and easily-awed patrons, "Ohhh! It's Brown-Eye Girl!"), and travel, especially in Minnesota, is often a bitch.

I've thought of doing a live stream, but there's only so many hours in a day - I've got enough to do right now with recording, pre-production, and writing. Hell, it's a wonder I can manage to get any show in. Perhaps I'll stop posting to /. for a week, and really get some stuff done...

Not exactly a new idea... (3, Interesting)

TheLongshot (919014) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869600)

Ozric Tentacles did a live broadcast over the internet back in 98. It was later released on CD as "Spice Doubt". Course, it was audio only back in those days.

I'm sure others have done it as well.

Two more examples (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870640)

The Future Sound of London did a series of concerts via ISDN in 1994.

Negativland did what they called "teletours" in the 1980s, using a simple circuit to improve the frequency response (much like pre-emphasis on vinyl LPs). Schematics are available [negativland.com] .

Plain and Simple (1)

frenchs (42465) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869610)

Freebird!

-s

Re:Plain and Simple (1)

ka-klick (160833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870518)

Come to one of my shows in SecondLife and I'll play it for ya :-)

what software? (1)

krock_of_PB-HF (817638) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869645)

I've been looking at a Carnegie Mellon peer-2-peer software to do just this. Check it out at http://esm.cs.cmu.edu./ [cs.cmu.edu] I like it because it uses peer-2-peer to keep things FREE. Has anyone used anything similar to do free broadcasts?
Paul

take a look at peercast and freecast (1)

zotz (3951) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870880)

Take a look at peercast as well.

And while you are at it, you may as well check freecast.

http://www.peercast.org/ [peercast.org]

http://www.freecast.org/ [freecast.org]

I have used peercast for years. I am still meaning to try freecast. One of the people involved in freecast hangs out in the #rivendell channel on freenode if you have any questions for him.

all the best,

drew

http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123 [ourmedia.org]
A link to "Tings" the first draft of a novel I wrote in November 05 and put under a CC BY-SA licence. (think copyleft)

Oh yeah.... (1)

shoma-san (739914) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869649)

FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP FAP http://www.sandithom.com/ [sandithom.com] much better...

So You Mean... (2, Funny)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14869695)

...one COULD become a rockstar in one's own parent's basement after all!!! Will the technology wonders never cease?! ;P

can't come to dinner mom.. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14870054)

..I'm giving a CONCERT!

Heh.. I'll have to remember that one.

I mean, I would have to remember it if I actually lived in my parent's basement, which I don't. I mean, if they had a basement. Uhh.

The mouse that roared (3, Interesting)

Bucc5062 (856482) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870155)

From tfa..."In the past eight days she has entertained more than 250,000 fans worldwide"

From 70, to 62000, to 250,000 listeners. What an incredible way to build a base before she (and the band) go out and do tours. This is also just what RIAA *does not want to happen*. Young unkown band gets found not by some way over paid agent of musical darkness, but by the people themselves. A great example of what the interent *can* do for the masses and the individual.

Next step for this band and others to follow; produce and deliver an Album (as in collection of songs, not vinyl) that can be offered to those 250,000+ fans and growing without ever burning one CD. TCO to the band, nada for RIAA. The biggest obstacle I would see is they (and any band) would have problems booking gigs in larger venues without greasing the wheels of the venue promoters who are most likely in the pockets of the music industry.

IAOASD (I am only a software developer) so I may only see the rose through my glasses, but this could be the mouse that roared.

Music is not bad either.

Re:The mouse that roared (1)

zotz (3951) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870950)

[The biggest obstacle I would see is they (and any band) would have problems booking gigs in larger venues without greasing the wheels of the venue promoters who are most likely in the pockets of the music industry.]

One immediate thought would be to find some way to pre sell tickets with money back if no show. Go to the venue with a sold out concert and see if they change their tune.

At least you might make the news when the venue refuses to play a pre sold out concert.

all the best,

drew

I for one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14870322)

feel offended with the title.

More nails in the coffin... (1)

TheZorch (925979) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870847)

Yet more nails have been driven into the coffin for the RIAA.

They had planty of time to see the writing on the wall and now all we see are their desparate kicking and screaming as they slowly sink into oblivion.

"You'll pay the price for your lack of vision" indeed. That line certain holds well for the recording industry. Technology has evolved to the point that we don't need them anymore and they are terrified that people will find that out. When they do, and its starts to explode there will be putting the genie back into the bottle. The beginning of the end has come, its Judgement Day for the RIAA.

no risk (1)

opencity (582224) | more than 8 years ago | (#14870955)

While I'm not sure why this is news and sort of hope she paid someone for the plug -

In meatspace there is the element of risk. Performance comes in real time like sports. If you blow it in the first 10 minutes, you have 45 to get them back. The audience feels the risk and likes it. This is why playing to a prerecorded track inevitably is duller - I call it the hidden hand of the master. They want to see you on a limb, if they know the limb can break, even better.

This is no different than posting to youtube and linking to your myspace page except somehow it made /.
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