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Apple to Offer Monthly iTunes TV Subscriptions

samzenpus posted more than 8 years ago | from the download-your-shows dept.

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sg3000 writes "Fans of The Daily Show and The Colbert Report, rejoice! Reuters is reporting that Apple will provide monthly subscriptions to two of Comedy Central's most popular shows. One question, as TV shows become available for sale on the Internet, will this make it harder to share clips online, such as through Google Video? In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true."

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353 comments

While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (2, Interesting)

jimmy page (565870) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880524)

Oh that's right Jobs is against that...

Am I the only one thinking this is the first step to subscription music on the IPod

Re:While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (5, Insightful)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880577)

>Am I the only one thinking this is the first step to subscription music on the IPod

no, but you seem to be one of the people who are falsely under the impression that "subscription" means rental, which it does not in either the general case or the case of iTunes video passes.

here "subscription" has its tru meaning, as applied for example to magazines, in that you pay for something in advance (at discount) and receive the product periodically when it is actually published.

this is not to be confused with BS "subscription" services which take away what you already have when you stop paying.

Re:While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (1, Offtopic)

DigitalReality (903767) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880605)

"this is not to be confused with BS "subscription" services which take away what you already have when you stop paying."

Now if I could figure out how to stop myself from paying for WoW. There shsould be a clinic for this.

Re:While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (1, Offtopic)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880730)

I dunno, those chicks [wowe.com] kinda freak me out. But hey, whatever floats your boat.

Re:While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (-1, Troll)

syousef (465911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880843)

Glad you like DRM. The MPAA and RIAA like it too. So does Apple iTunes. They all agree taht they can't wait till your Mac crashes so you'll use their DRM crippled garbage again. Have fun being a good little consumer.

Re:While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (0, Flamebait)

jschottm (317343) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880909)

here "subscription" has its tru meaning

Dictionary.com definition [reference.com]

I assume, of course, that the true meaning that you refer to is that part of the perscription that gives directions to the pharmacist? Or perhaps the agreement to purchase stocks? Yes, the word does, in fact, have more than one meaning. For example, many fine arts organizations offer subscriptions to their performances. While technically the word rent would also apply there, you'll find far more people who would say "I got my wife a subscription to this season's Operas at the Foo Peformance Hall" than "I got my wife a rental of this season's Operas at the Foo Performance Hall."

Per part b of definition one, you'll see that online services are increasingly using the term subscription to describe granting of access for a period of time to electronic services. In some cases such as LiveJournal or our very own Slashdot, the subscription grants special rights and priviledges, in others, such as Salon, a subscrtion or temporary pass is needed to read the content. It is also used in terms of cellular subscriptions.

in that you pay for something in advance (at discount) and receive the product periodically when it is actually published.

Not exactly. Subscriptions, the type used to aquire magazines, do not require payment in advance nor are they necessarily at a discount. If you're going to complain that you feel other people are misusing a word, it helps to be more precise yourself.

this is not to be confused with BS "subscription" services which take away what you already have when you stop paying.

So, I sense that you have a dislike for "subscription" music services. Rather than laying out logical reasons for that or presenting a good argument why the dictionary is wrong, you simply churn out a bunch of vitriol, which of course, because you're supporting Apple and against any form of DRM, is a great way to get modded up.

You are quite correct that Apple/Daily show is not a (new) Napster/Rhapsody style plan. What you gloss over is what the grandparent poster aludes to and other people have more clearly stated, is that there is most likely a limit to how many shows Apple can reasonably offer on a ala cart basis before users determine that they're better off with a cable/minidish subscription (ah, that word again) and a TiVo (etc) and transfering saved files to their computer/phone/whatever manually. This leads to the supposition that Apple might at some point begin offering a cable-like experience where users can view on-demand but not indefinitely licensed media. It may or may not be correct, but it is something to consider, and something your post failed to address.

It makes a certain amount of sense for video files, in that they are larger than audio files, and also "consumed" less often. Most people aren't going to watch a Daily Show episode dozens of times like they would a music track, but the ability to pull out a random episode from a month ago to show a friend would be desirable. The recent study that showed that iTunes users tend to purchase fewer and fewer songs after an initial flurry of purchases shows that the concept may be worth Apple considering for music as well - a steady monthly fee of $10 may work out to be better for Apple in the long run than $1/track in a pattern that may drop off rapidly.

I'm glad you're happy with your choice not to use a subscription model music service. However, millions of us are quite happy with them, and choose to use them because they offer a comparative advantage that meets our needs better than an ala carte system. If you or anyone else are curious, I can lay those out yet again. That's the great thing about having a choice - we can both be happy. In the mean time, please brush up on your argument skills before railing about the terrible companies that "take away what [I] aready have when [I] stop paying," when that misrepresents the nature of the service and how they treat me.

Re:While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (1)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880594)

You might be able to get all the Apple product announcements that you could want.

Re:While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (2, Insightful)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880876)

I think you're the only one.

I think subscription services for music will be a tough sell. First, you have over a hundred years of history going against you. For over a hundred years, people have been able to buy music (Player Piano Rolls [wikipedia.org] ). That's going to be a tough sell.

Conversely, video has traditionally been a "pay to watch" kind of thing. You went to the movies and paid your money to see the movie. TV, while free to watch, came with commercials. So I think video will be easier to convince people to buy a pay-to-watch subscription service.

That said, I kind of like the way this works and it would be interesting to see Apple do more of this. For example, while I might not pay $40-some-odd dollars to watch a season of 'Lost', I might pay Apple $20 up front for a subscription to 'Lost'. The files can sit on my hard drive until I manage to get around to watching them in much the same way that they are currently sitting on my DVR.

Re:While good - why not unlimited I-Tunes pass (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880954)

I listen to the same audio track tens, if not hundreds of times. I watch the same video a maximum of two, maybe three times (except in exceptional cases). For the first, a purchase model makes sense. I buy a track, and then I can listen to it as many times as I like. For the second, a rental model makes more sense - I pay a monthly fee and I get to watch whatever I want.

if this is a first post... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880525)

then i will suck the man juice out of a goat

-1 Redundant (5, Funny)

perlionex (703104) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880532)

In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true.
We /.ers already do that all the time, no need to remind us. /me ducks

Re:-1 Redundant (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880778)

Hey, it works for the President.

first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880534)

GNAA

Never have so few words been so profound. (5, Funny)

His name cannot be s (16831) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880535)

"In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true".

That's Slashdot. Summed up in a single sentance. That's so beautiful.

I think I'm changing my sig.

*sigh*

And, in an attempt to be on topic:

No, why would it make it harder to share. Uh, google video? WTF?

Oh right. That's how people share videos... *snickers*

Oh Rihgt.

Re:Never have so few words been so profound. (5, Funny)

Jeff Benjamin (528348) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880649)

"In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true".

...
That's Slashdot. Summed up in a single sentance. That's so beautiful.


Um, I hate to break it to you but that was two sentences.

Re:Never have so few words been so profound. (5, Funny)

Justin205 (662116) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880858)

Oh, come on. He's just ignoring facts. And going with what feels true. ;)

Re:Never have so few words been so profound. (1)

eventhorizon82G (954828) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880899)

Yeah, but it FEELS like one.

Re:Never have so few words been so profound. (5, Funny)

rtaylor (70602) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880913)

"In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true". ...
That's Slashdot. Summed up in a single sentance. That's so beautiful.


Um, I hate to break it to you but that was two sentences.


Didn't you read what he wrote? "In your answer, ignore facts."

Re:Never have so few words been so profound. (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880961)

"Um, I hate to break it to you but that was two sentences. "

Ummm, I hate to Break it to you, but Slashdot isn't bound by archaic Grammer Rules,,,

.

well yeah (-1, Offtopic)

DanThe1Man (46872) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880537)

In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true.

Well yeah, this is slashdot.

Brilliant (4, Insightful)

Scareduck (177470) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880547)

In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true.

Thus the scientific basis for chiropractic, homeopathy, and items found in the Slashdot submission queue.

Re:Brilliant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880719)

Hey without my chiropractor, I wouldn't be able to turn my head side to side. Regular western medicine would rather fuse my spine so that I can't move my upper back/neck at all. Now, which method is progress, and which is pointless?

Re:Brilliant (4, Funny)

Eightyford (893696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880732)

Hey without my chiropractor, I wouldn't be able to turn my head side to side. Regular western medicine would rather fuse my spine so that I can't move my upper back/neck at all. Now, which method is progress, and which is pointless?

There's really nothing wrong with a chiropractor treating back pains. The problem comes when a chiropractor tries to treat migrains, the common cold, ulcers, and even irritable bowel syndrome. Scientifically, you might as well drink chinese tiger penis soup to get a stiffy.

Re:Brilliant (1)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880832)

There's really nothing wrong with a chiropractor treating back pains. The problem comes when a chiropractor tries to treat migrains, the common cold, ulcers, and even irritable bowel syndrome. Scientifically, you might as well drink chinese tiger penis soup to get a stiffy.

Just goes to show there are a lot of quacks out there abusing other people's hard work and good information.

Re:Brilliant (2, Informative)

hunterx11 (778171) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880874)

Actually, chiropractors who focus on actually helping patients are "quacks" from the perspective of mainstream chiropractic, which believes that all disease can be cured by fixing subluxations. The quacks run the show, and the people abusing it are using good information and doing hard work.

Win-win situation (5, Insightful)

FlyByPC (841016) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880551)

If prices weren't artificially high, I think a lot of people wouldn't bother pirating clips -- and the whole IP discussion wouldn't be as important. If, for example, you could download songs you liked at $0.10US each, why bother pirating them? Same for video -- let people freely trade small clips (say, 2 minutes or less) legally -- and add a link to the traded file to make it easy to purchase the whole episode for not too much money. Trading small video clips would become *good* for the companies that produce them, as it would get more people interested in the programs.

Re:Win-win situation (2, Insightful)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880740)

There's no such thing as "artificially high." If the market accepts a given price, that's what a product will be at. Just because someone thinks the price of something is high doesn't magically mean they have the right to pirate it like some freeloading hippie without a job.

Re:Win-win situation (2, Insightful)

scotch (102596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880787)

Exactly, because if sony won't sell me the latest Stevie Wonder song for a fair price, then a good free market businesman down the street will grow the song on his pop-hit tree and sell it for a lower price. Obviously, the free market will produce the optimal price point for a given copyrighted song based on supply of songs (sometimes there are only a few copies), and demand, which is perfectly elastic. Oh wait, copyright == monopoly != free market. Dang it.

Re:Win-win situation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880846)

Oh wait, copyright == monopoly != free market. Dang it.

You == talking out of ass != any tiny shred of knowledge about economics

Re:Win-win situation (2, Interesting)

revscat (35618) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880795)

A price can be considered artificially high any time the supplier has more control over the price than the consumer. This can be because of regulatory mechanisms, collusion between manufacturers, vertical monopolies, false scarcity, or any other number of reasons. The current price for any good or service may be the "market price" in the most literal sense of the term, but that does not necessarily imply that that price has not been manipulated in ways that undermine the free market.

Re:Win-win situation (1)

McFadden (809368) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880786)

If, for example, you could download songs you liked at $0.10US each...

You already can... http://allofmp3.com/ [allofmp3.com]

Sign me up! (5, Informative)

Radiohead (86586) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880554)

I just subscribed to the Daily Show. I don't have cable and the video quality is better than the files I've found on YouTube or other places online. The "subscription" title is a bit misleading - this is more like subscribing to a podcats - iTunes automatically downloads new episodes as they are made available. You can opt-in to an email notifying you that a new episode is available. It's more like a magazine subscription than a music service subscription since you get to keep the video files you've downloaded even if you don't renew the subscription. Kind of like buying an album on iTunes where they send you a song a week automatically. The DRM is the same as for any other song or video you buy on iTunes. Not a bad model for my needs.

Re:Sign me up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880631)

Quite right. This is much more like a magazine subscription than what other online music services refer to as a 'subscription,' which is really all-you-can-consume for a period of time and then it goes away when you stop paying.

To me this model seems to depend upon the consumer having a certain level of trust in the fact that the particular content they are purchasing will be up to the standards they expect, based upon past experience. Back in the day you, had to walk into a store and lay down your cash for a new record by a band you liked and hope that it lived up to their existing catalogue. Is television to become the AOR radio of the early 21st century?

Keep an eye out for the payola.

Re:Sign me up! (1)

eMartin (210973) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880815)

"It's more like a magazine subscription than a music service subscription since you get to keep the video files you've downloaded even if you don't renew the subscription."

So, in other words, it's music subscriptions that should be renamed, and in that case, the title is not misleading at all.

On the other hand, I have a "music subscription" with emusic.com, and I get to keep everything I download.

Re:Sign me up! (0, Offtopic)

Fordiman (689627) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880838)

Heh. Poke around at tvtorrents.com

Re:Sign me up! (1, Informative)

GrouchoMarx (153170) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880974)

The DRM is the same as for any other song or video you buy on iTunes.

Which is precisely why I absolutely refuse to use it.

DRM is bad.

DRM is immoral.

DRM is in violation of the US Constitution in that it is by nature perpetual, and copyright is only supposed to be for a "limited time".

DRM is unacceptable.

DRM is based on the assumption that you are a criminal in the first place.

DRM is contrary to everything Free Software stands for.

How exactly do people still see iTunes DRM as acceptable? DRM is unacceptable. That it's Apple doing it doesn't make it suddenly OK.

How is this a hard concept to grasp?

Already available (1, Interesting)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880557)

What am I paying 10 bucks for again?

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/ index.jhtml [comedycentral.com]

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_colbert_rep ort/index.jhtml [comedycentral.com]

10 Dollars to play it on my iPod instead of my PC?

Re:Already available (5, Informative)

avalys (221114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880578)

Please show me where I can download the entire show, as it aired on a given night, as a single unbroken clip, at either of those links.

Re:Already available (-1, Flamebait)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880608)

You're going to bust my hump over a 1.5 second pause between segments?

piss off.

Re:Already available (5, Funny)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880707)

Deaer Earnest Murderer,

You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. Your calm demeanor and rational way of handling confrontation are an example of maturity to us all, which I am sure brings in the ladies. Please accept my apologies on behalf of your aggressor as he busts your hump and promptly pisses off as you commanded. I extend this token to you out of goodwill.

Signed,
Theodore S. Quogin, 1893

Re:Already available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880654)

Fine go RSS it from mininova. The quality will be a fuck load better too

Re:Already available (1)

avalys (221114) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880715)

I'm not so poor that I'm willing to deal with the pain-in-the-ass that is peer-to-peer to save a lousy $10 / month.

Hell, if you value your time at more than, say, $20 / hour, you come out ahead anyway.

Re:Already available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880952)

what you mean zero minutes a day?

you honestly get paid that much for no time what so ever...

RSS, automatically downloads. (it will be online within on hour of airing at most) and the RSS feed + utorrent will automatically get it. done

Setup once, two three minutes... let it go and it will work like magic every time.

but I am willing to bet you will bullshit about how that is too difficult.

the benefit is, a lot better quality and a much better format.

Re:Already available (5, Funny)

ScaryFroMan (901163) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880708)

MOD PARENT DOWN - FAKE LINK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880868)

That's misleading.

Re:Already available (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880711)

You can't. That's what UseNet, mininova.org, emule, and your next door neighbor's PVR are for.

I won't pay $10 for HBO (actually it's $12 here, but I wouldn't pay $5 either) and I'm sure as hell not going to pay $10 to watch ONE SHOW which is already included in my basic cable. I don't care how funny Jon Stewart is. The only reason he's funny anyway is because he says exactly what everybody's already thinking, so just say what you're already thinking out loud -- possibly into a mirror or an audio/visual recorder of some sort -- and BAM.. your very own Daily Show.

Re:Already available (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880806)

I'm sure as hell not going to pay $10 to watch ONE SHOW which is already included in my basic cable.

But... does your basic cable include Steve Jobs and an impossibly small and stylish iPod (tm)?

Think of it this way: $10/month is $120/year, $30 less than you pay (you do, right? pirate) for a DVD set of one season of a TV show. So Apple is saving you $30/year and you get to watch it on your iPod (tm). Steve Jobs is saving you money and improving your entertainment consumption experience at the same time. Feel the RDF. It burns... fashionably.

Re:Already available (1)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880587)

'scuse me, that's 20 dollars, $10 per show per month.

Rejoice, consumers! (5, Insightful)

Urusai (865560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880560)

Another opportunity to make easy monthly payments!

Wow... (1)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880561)

In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true.

It took this statement for me to find a similarity between Slashdot and a Religion (or cult).

Misleading title. (1, Informative)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880572)

This isn't a "subscription" like the all-you-can-watch-as-long-as-you-pay-your-monthly- fee, like with Yahoo Music. Nobody is renting the shows in this case, all Apple is really doing is pay-in-advance discounts. You buy the shows a month's worth at a time, and they are your to keep like any other iTMS video purchase.

It's really more like a magazine subscription.

Re:Misleading title. (5, Insightful)

freeweed (309734) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880959)

So in other words, it's EXACTLY like a subscription.

As opposed to the bullshit newspeak definition of "subscription" we've been hearing lately.

Still pirating as usual! Duh! (2)

blanktek (177640) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880574)

Nothing is changed in the normal process of ripping and seeding shows from cable so why would it when someone offers it with DRM? Did I miss something?

Re:Still pirating as usual! Duh! (1)

insite_guy (959928) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880680)

Of course, this is suppose to make you feel better (more ethical) when watching what you have in a way already paid for once if you support your local cable company. The real thing that I think is missing is quality...the HDTV quality you find on torrents is much better than what Apple is offering, but I do think being able to buy quality rips is a good business idea. I know I would pay for good quality rips of current movies before they were available on DVD...

I already have cable (4, Insightful)

geekee (591277) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880586)

and for $40 a month, I get a hell of a lot more content than 4 shows.

Re:I already have cable (1)

Yahweh Doesn't Exist (906833) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880600)

good for you.

in other news, I already have a computer, but there are computer shops everywhere. there are even computer shops on the internet - how the hell does that work?

Re:I already have cable (-1, Flamebait)

geekee (591277) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880655)

"good for you.

in other news, I already have a computer, but there are computer shops everywhere. there are even computer shops on the internet - how the hell does that work?"

You are so blinded by the Jobs reality distortion field you seem to not have noticed I'm pointing out what a rip-off the iTunes subscription service is relative to what the evil cable companies offer.

Re:I already have cable (2, Funny)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880748)

Dear Geekee,

Hello, kind sir. I wish to extend my invitation to you as a member of the Fuckwit Association. We Fuckwits are proud to welcome new members to our foundation. As a member of the Fuckwit Association, you must:

  • Accuse those you disagree with of being "blinded."
  • If the subject can be related to Steve Jobs in some way, use the phrase "reality distortion field."
  • If there is a company involved that makes money in some way, call them "evil."


I and other Fuckwits are now your brothers and sisters in the fold. Please spread the gospel of the Fuckwits everywhere you can, to make the Internet a better place for Fuckwits the world over and bring refreshing predictability to any argument with a Fuckwit.

Signed,
Theodore S. Fuckwit, 1897

Enclosed: Honorary Digitus Impudicus medallion, awarded to you, the newest Fuckwit of the collective

Re:I already have cable (-1, Flamebait)

geekee (591277) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880785)

I'm sorry for saying he was blinded. He's just plain stupid, and shouldn't have replied to my initial comment. You might want to look up what sarcasm is BTW, since I was being sarcastic in claiming the cable companies are evil. You may want to consider that you might be lacking in the intelligence department as well. If you don't like my post, piss off.

Re:I already have cable (4, Funny)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880820)

You're right; I clearly don't know what sarcasm is or how it is used. Thanks for the help!

Re:I already have cable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880844)


Apple blinder verification check
rev 0.3

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[ ] Assumed everything Apple does is part of a secret 100 year master plan
[ ] Agreed that Fairplay/DRM is good and fair
[ ] Gave Apple credit for something that others already have
[ ] Used look and feel in place of a real technical description
[ ] Stated, "it just works"
[ ] Used intentionally vague term like "fast enough" or "very responsive" but provided no real analysis
[ ] Quoted a carefully chosen spec that an Apple product was better then X but failed to mention other important details
[ ] Described how every device known to man is harder to use then the Apple version
[X] Attempt to muster the Apple fanboi moderators by putting down or ignoring points of parent posts that may be anti Apple.
[ ] Stated that feature X in product Y is stupid and Apple does not need that and therefore, you do not need or want it
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[ ] Excitedly claimed new release of Apple product X will turn the world into Apple users
[ ] Truely believed that vendor "lock in" or keeping secrets about releases is actually good for everyone
[X] Forgot Apple is a business with shareholders and thought they are your buddy looking out for you!
[ ] Claimed Apple version X is 100% perfect, then after Apple released X+1, you stated how awesome and powerful it is compared to version X.
[ ] Used a rumor or speculation as evidence that a different rumor or speculation may or may not be true
[ ] Justified a cause by claiming iTunes or the iPod make or lose money for Apple
[ ] When comparing prices, used the highest possible price you could find for the non Apple product and included the student discount on the Apple product
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Re:I already have cable (2, Funny)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880860)

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Re:I already have cable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880888)

You mean like your fuckwit post?

Re:I already have cable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880970)

Wow, geekee, he really must have struck a nerve with you after pointing out your dumbassitude.

Re:I already have cable (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880918)

Apple hater verification check
rev 2.3
 
[ ] Called Apple users "fags"
[ ] Used "OS/X," "OSX," or "OS-X" instead of OS X
[ ] Used the word "overpriced" while ignoring previously published price comparisons
[ ] Described a Mac as "cheap PC parts"
[ ] Vaguely accused iPod users of falling for marketing
[ ] Confused install base with market share
[ ] Referenced Xerox Sparc
[ ] Referenced "Pirates of Silicon Valley"
[X] Posted list of fictional cliches in a Slashdot discussion to avoid discussing a point
[ ] Used the words "evil" and "DRM" in one sentence
[ ] Gave someone else credit for an Apple innovation
[ ] Made fun of a Switch commercial
[X] Ignored a valid point in favor of bashing Apple users
[ ] Made a one-button mouse joke
[ ] Made reference to "white plastic"
[ ] Called 99 cents "too expensive"
[ ] Victoriously made reference to Microsoft's monopoly market share to avoid addressing a point
[ ] Referenced a "lack of games" for Mac despite all big-name titles having Mac ports
[ ] Pretended that normal computer users actually want to have to build an entire computer by themselves piece by piece, have knowledge about every transistor in the machine, and hand-tune C code for any piece of software the user might have an issue with
[ ] Ignored when someone mentions that you're not a mechanic and didn't build your own car either
[ ] Used the word "cult"
[ ] Ignored that Apple was the first consumer GUI with built-in audio and graphics while PC users were staring at C:\> for the next 15 years.
 
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[ ] Claimed to hate Apple yet drooled over running OS X on generic PCs

Re:I already have cable (0)

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Re:I already have cable (4, Interesting)

RalphBNumbers (655475) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880884)

And you are so blinded by the crap on TV that you don't realize that less than 1% of it is worth my time to watch.

And much of that $70 a month to get the channels that offer those shows back via digital cable.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that I can see them whenever I want instead of having to remember to watch or record them on the TV's schedule.

If Apple were to extend this deal (~16 shows for $10, paid in advance) to some of their other shows, like Battlestar Galactica, I could actually see myself making my first iTMS purchase.

But of course, they probably won't offer that low a rate on longer and more collectible shows like BSG. And I really can't see paying much more than that for a movie that just isn't all that comparable to a DVD (320x240 vs 720x480, watchable on ubiquitous $40 players vs needs a computer or an iPod, comes on a nicely packaged DVD vs can't even be burned as a DVD, etc).

Really, it seems to me the iTMS got a lot of things right with music, and then turned around and got those same things irritatingly wrong on video.

They made the music decent quality, as good or better than most of the stuff being traded on the net at the time (using similar bitrates and a superior codec). But they made the video disappointingly low res, equivalent to stuff that was traded online in the late '90s, not the mid '00s (the h264 codec is great, and the ~768k bit rate they use is, if anything, overkill for their resolution, but the 320x240 resolution is just not competitive with what you can find on bittorrent these days [and as Jobs has said before in relation to music, the pirates are their real competition]).

And they made the music burnable to a standard redbook CD so it could be easily backed up and used with your old equipment, but they made the video unable to be burned to a DVD... (I wonder if the studios demanded the burned DVDs be DRMed and were bitten in the ass by their earlier mandating that consumer DVD burners cannot burn CSS encrypted DVDs?)

I wonder what balance of the causes of this was? Were the studios setting apple up to fail, or at least not succeed to fast for the competition to copy, after being frightened by apple's rapid success in selling music online? Or, was it largely a technical issue? Would letting the iPod decode 640x480 h264 have required more time/money/power than Apple felt they could spend to release the iPod /w video?

Re:I already have cable (1)

RalphBNumbers (655475) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880911)

Oops, I lost a chunk of that post somehow, the 2nd paragraph was supposed to go something like this:

And much of that 1% isn't even on decently priced analog cable anymore. Comcast has cut even basics like the SciFi channel form analog cable in my area, and hasn't offered any premium channels outside of digital for a while now. So paying $10 a month for each of the few shows I want is a much better deal for me than paying $70 a month to ransom the channels that offer those shows back via digital cable.

Re:I already have cable (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880648)

and for $40 a month, I get a hell of a lot more content than 4 shows.

So do I, but 99% of it is crap I don't WANT.

Give me comedy central, History, and National Geographic for $5/month, and I'd drop my cable subscription in an instant.

Re:I already have cable (1)

excesspwr (218183) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880735)

Akimbo [akimbo.com] has History Channel and National Geographic. No Comedy Central though. I've been using it for over a year now I believe. Between that and a little downloading I get everything I need on the level and cheap.

Re:I already have cable (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880903)

Very interesting... I've been wondering how long it would take for something just like that to come around.

Got any tips? Anything important that's not listed on the site?

Re:I already have cable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880681)

Do you get to watch it whenever and whereever you want without commercials?

Oh, okay. Next.

Sweet... (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880591)

That would be great, if I didn't need Windows to get and play those DRM-encumbered videos. I'd also like a few History Channel and National Geographic programs on occasion. If I got that, I'd cancel my cable TV, and put up a (BIG!) HDTV antenna...

I've looked at my viewing habits very closely, and the Daily Show/Colbert Report are the only important things I watch that aren't available OTA, for free.

I really believe HDTV stands a good chance of killing off (or at least seriously wounding) cable/satellite companies.

Re:Sweet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880621)

"That would be great, if I didn't need Windows to get and play those DRM-encumbered videos."

You don't; they work fine on a Mac. :)

You're not alone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880702)

I put up an antenna, installed an HDTV tuner in my MythTV system, and am ready to cancel cable. I liked it so much that I've added a second tuner.

I'll miss Speed Channel, but not enough to swallow the whole cost of the cable level required to get it.

Completely wrong (1, Informative)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880592)

Sigh, I was waiting for this to hit the Slashdot front page.

This is not "monthly iTunes TV subscriptions." It's a standard pre-order. You pay the full price for the season, and as each show is made available, it downloads it in iTunes. The same thing happens when pre-ordering an album, which will automatically download when it's available (often with bonus tracks). The only difference here is that an entire TV season of The Colbert Report obviously won't suddenly exist at once but will be filmed episode by episode, and so each show downloads as it becomes available.

Nothing to see here, please move along.

Re:Completely wrong (0, Troll)

geekee (591277) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880794)

"Sigh, I was waiting for this to hit the Slashdot front page."

Welcome to the "I sigh because I'm an arrogant know-it-all prick" club.

Actually, this is something new (2, Informative)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880819)

You're partly right in that it's not entirely new. But it is new.

Unlike traditional TV, preordering a show on iTunes allows the producer to gauge interest and demand. It's not the standard television "push" model that spends lots of money up front only to find that no one really cares after the fact. By attracting funding in advance by selling subscriptions, the production cost of the program can be partially offset. And you KNOW that you'll have an audience.

Admittedly that's not what's happening now. These shows weren't created FOR iTunes, and they became established the old fashioned way. But theoretically this model could be used to create targeted programming. To use an old Slashdot (and personal) favorite, how many people would subscribe in advance for a new season of "Firefly"? How much would they (and you) be willing to pay to make it happen? Just as musicians are viewing iTunes as a potential model to cut out the middle man record labels, independant video producers might find a similar benefit in directly reaching their audience.

Truthiness!! (1)

mrfett (610302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880597)

Well it only took 12 hours to get this news on /.... but the shows looked great, and I really do think this could end up bad for cable companies. I'm keeping it since baseball season is around the corner, but if i wasn't a Red Sox nut i'd be canceling my subscription. these two shows are fantastic, and being able to watch them without commercials is a real win. i'd like to see the price lower, though. 16 episodes/$10 is ok, but still seems a bit much over the long haul. i bought both "multi-passes", but we'll have to see if i continue once the novelty has worn off. gotta love Colbert. Check out the "Long War" segment :P

Harder to share? (4, Interesting)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880607)

One question, as TV shows become available for sale on the Internet, will this make it harder to share clips online, such as through Google Video? In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true -TFA

Totally easier to share, but that's hardly the point. The point is I pay for cable, and there is no way I'd pay for both cable service and downloads... so if what I watch is available for download at $10/season... I'd ditch the cable. I'm not offended by the idea of paying for media. I pay for cable, I chuck money tward PBS from time to time. I'm not that hip paying for DVDs as in contrast to downloads they take up a hell of alot less space.

Parents would also be interested as I'm starting to notice more switching to video rentals rather cable subscriptions.

FP (0, Troll)

TreeHugger04 (739276) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880617)

bitches [shorttext.com]

Legal starting to get more convenient than illegal (4, Insightful)

brxndxn (461473) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880661)

The whole point of piracy, imo, is to make all media (entertainment not limited by the economics of scarcity) more convienient than actually purchasing the media..

But, even with piracy, there's annoying costs involved.. It takes a user's time to find the shit. The user has to be skilled enough to extract it, run it, store it, convert it, etc.. Also, users have to rely on each other to package pirated media in convenient forms.

However, if one can pay a small fee to get ready access to their shows from anywhere, then piracy will die down. Once the actual media is more convenient than pirated media, piracy will be less of a problem. IMO, even most tenacious of pirates would rather have Google or Itunes store all their media so they could access it from their set-top boxes, Ipods, PSPs, cell-phones - all without having to take the time to convert it or store it on their own hard drives.

But then, since the media companies are so determined to prove piracy as a bigger problem than it is - as a display of greed not necessarily good for the media industry - they DRM the hell out of everything. So, most people that are used to controlling their own media just ignore everything with DRM.

Piracy, for consumers, IS A GOOD THING. The more consumers pirate, the more media companies will be FORCED to innovate and adapt. If the media companies were entirely in control, we'd probby be forced to listen to only the 10 most-popular songs on Clearchannel, watch reality tv with 1/2 the time being commercials, and call an 800 number to ask permission for every time we use the media.

IMO, what Apple is doing is a GOOD thing. It's just hilariously funny how Apple is doing it while becomming an unecessary middleman since the media companies have their heads so far up their own asses they can't realize that they are NOT in control of what the consumer wants - or even their own media once the consumer consumes it.

I support the principles of piracy.. I think it's morally acceptable to pirate when the pirated media is more convenient (with more features) than the regular media. The marketplace is about the consumer - not the producer. If I decide to put my Chiquita banana on a stripper's tit covered in chocolate and take pictures of it, Chiquita can't cry when I'm not consuming it like a normal monkey. I feel the same way about media companies..

If media companies had their way, they'd have control of our memories and erase everything they could re-sell us. So, we'd even forget we watched a movie or bought the DVD and blindly pay for it again. /end rant.. gonna eat a banana now.

Re:Legal starting to get more convenient than ille (1)

Fordiman (689627) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880891)

Good monkey.

I agree with you, but I know what a detractor would latch onto: "I think it's morally acceptable to pirate when the pirated media is more convenient (with more features) than the regular media."

Response: "Oh, so it's ok to copy someone else's credit card because it's 'more convenient' than using your own?!"

Yeah. People are assholes.

Going to reiterate your point about media being exempt from the economics of scarcity. It's nonexcludable, people. You can sit around and dry hump a 95 year copyright term and the corporations that have put them into place, but frankly, I have no respect for a copyright law that doesn't let TGI Fridays sing me happy birthday, much less get free digital copies of 25 year old Jethro Tull albums.

What about those recording t.v. and fair use? (1)

Antony-Kyre (807195) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880673)

Isn't it currently considered fair use to record television shows off of one's t.v. set? How will this affect fair use laws?

Actually, (5, Interesting)

AWhiteFlame (928642) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880689)

This is pretty cool. The iTunes model .. could be worse. With my Mac that runs iTunes and my iPod, I hardly even notice the DRM. iTunes prices are very reasonable, legit :P, and go straight into my library. AAC provides decent enough music for my 2.1 speaker system (or my headphones). iTMS MPEG-4 provides decent enough quality video for 2 bucks an episode. There is definitely tons of room for improvement, but seeing as they're the dominant force in the online legit music business, they could make the predicament much, much worse.

Re:Actually, (1)

R3d M3rcury (871886) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880811)

I got hit by iTunes DRM recently and I wasn't amused.

I heard a fun song on TV and wandered over to iTunes to look it up. I found the song and I noticed Apple was also selling the video. Well, I watched the video and, again, thought it was a cute video and I decided to buy that instead of the song. Same thing, right?

Wrong.

I don't own an iPod, so I burn stuff to CD so I can listen to music in my car. Well, I went to burn that video to a CD and got the "Sorry, you're not allowed to do that." message. Now, I can understand that I can't burn a video to an audio CD. But seeing that Apple considers this to be a Music video, I would think iTunes would at least smart enough to say "Hey, you're not going to get the video on an audio CD, but I'll put the audio on the CD..."

The obvious solution was Audio Hijack and Sound Studio, I'll admit. But it irked me enough that I probably won't bother buying anymore videos.

roll your own subscription... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880706)

  1. EZTV RSS Feed [tvrss.net]
  2. Azureus [sourceforge.net]
  3. RSS Feed Scanner plugin [sourceforge.net]
  4. VLC [videolan.org]

You'll get every Jon and Steve episode, plus a lot of others. It's your TV. Own it.

The Daily Show (2, Insightful)

Eightyford (893696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880745)

The Daily Show was among the first TV shows to be freely available for download. This may just be the beginnings of an end of an era for free internet content.

Daily Show Fine with Bittorrent (2, Interesting)

BongoBen (776302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880772)

There was an interview with Jon Stewart and a producer of the Daily Show on Wired [wired.com] a while back, where Jon says that he's fine with people downloading the show. We can only hope that the bigshots at Comedy Central feel the same. Me, I would never buy cable, but I do love watching the Daily Show...

Here's a quote:
Stewart: We're not going to shut it down - we don't even know what it is. I'm having enough trouble just getting porn.

Argh! The Pressure! (2, Funny)

sg3000 (87992) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880773)

Why do I feel like some marketing guy at Apple is eyeing my ITMS account, just waiting for me to sign up [slashdot.org] :

"Hey pal, you said you'd do it ..."

There is a word for this... (4, Funny)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880788)

"In your answer, ignore facts. Just go with what feels true."

I believe the proper expression is:

Answer with truthiness.

Hard Choices...Questionable Price Model (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880803)

Definitely progress...but that price needs to come down a little. A month of the Daily Show for 9.99 sounds fairly reasonable at first...then I started thinking about the Colbert report. They put one more show I want up there, and I'm paying a full basic cable bill for just three shows.

I suppose the convenience is worth something, but it still forced me to make a choice:

Stewart or Colbert? Whats would you do?

Re:Hard Choices...Questionable Price Model (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880856)

Oh come on. I'm watching the Colbert Report now, well on the next window to the right ;).

  You need a DVB-S card, Twinhan 102 recommended, a dish and LNB as low as $150 for both. You need VDR and Linux and a little ingenuity.

  TV ... oh ghod ... TV.

    PenGun
  Do What Now ??? ... Standards and Practices !

Make it harder? (1)

smokes2345 (959661) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880817)

Why would it make it any harder? Eventually, those subscrition fees will end up costing more than a Tivo or capture card, at which point it would be impractical. Not to mention that there are many more reasons to use a hardware capture device with current TV service than to bother with iTunes (unless you actually bought into the iPod craze). Even with a capture card, i'm sure there's a way to get it into an iPod. This is as pointless as DRM itself, a scheme for suckers.

And they post this now? (1)

Short Circuit (52384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880848)

The Colbert Report is still on...

Agendas (2, Insightful)

alchemist68 (550641) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880850)

Corporations have agendas, that are motivated/governed by one or a select few individuals. In the case of Apple Computer, everyone knows who the steward of the Apple ship is, what his path is remains to be somewhat "foggy." Why is this? Well, that my friend is a trade secret, owned by the one soul in the universe with his own REALITY DISTORTION FIELD. At the age of 38 and as a long time Apple user, I could never predict very far Steve Jobs's visions, and that's the key to the success of Steve and Apple. Steve Jobs has a gift that is unique to the success of a business that he co-founded, that he is absolutely passionate about. Whether you or I like it or not, Apple Computer is on the verge of crossing a threshold, a boundary that will propel it farther than its competition ever imagined. The foundation of this success will be the quality of its products: the iPod, iTunes and the momentum of the iTunes Music Store, and lastly the quality of Apple's operating systems and hardware. Consumers want something simple to use that works flawlessly out of the box. Apple has already achieved that with its computers (with less than or equal to 5% market share - it didn't work economically, hardware was too expensive for the average consumer), so it ventured into digital music players - now very successful! Now Apple is transitioning to Intel processors, i.e. more or less generic hardware that it doesn't have to design and engineer itself - effectively "outsourcing" the Macintosh design to Intel. Through its digital music players, Apple has shown the massive consumer market that it can design and successfully implement quality software and hardware integration that works flawlessly for the consumer. I predict that over time, Apple will make steep inroads to consumer markets, and eventually corporate America and global corporate markets. This will be in combination and recognition to producing goods and services that meet both consumer and commercial needs. There will be some serious convincing in the corporate world, but as more and more people play with and experiment with Mac OS X and iPods, people will be purchasing more Apple products. Microsoft and Sony have already lost the media war to Apple, I'm glad in one way that I own Apple stock, fearful in another way that Apple may "think itself so large and influential that it can go into any direction that it wants." There is always uncertainty with any investment... but Apple is here to stay no matter what Microsoft and Sony would like otherwise, or anyone else.

The one factor in Apple's favor is that Steve Jobs is hell bent on being NUMBER 1, not just good enough, unlike Bill Gates who likes to be just good enough. The Borg is too large and the corporate culture is too much "set in place" for adequate change for a serious challenge to Apple's agenda and momentum. Looking at Apple's market share, both in terms of computer sales, iPod sales, online services, overall market share, Apple Computer is GROWTH COMPANY AND CASH COW waiting to happen! It's just a matter of time before maturity develops...

So long fair use. We hardly knew ye. (5, Interesting)

natrius (642724) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880857)

I hope everyone's watching closely as fair use is lying on its deathbed.

Lots of Slashdotters are hailing this development as a move away from traditional TV-based distribution to online video sales. It sounds nifty on paper, but let's look to the future. If these online video stores end up becoming popular enough to supplant TV distribution, fair use is screwed. These videos are DRM encumbered, and breaking that protection is against the law. TV shows like the Daily Show and Colbert Report depend on their being a large pool of accessible content to discuss and parody. Once it's all online and DRM encumbered, they won't be able to use that content without breaking the law. Want to add background music to your home videos? I hope you didn't buy your music online. Even though this type of use isn't specifically protected under copyright law, it is still felt to be perfectly acceptable by the masses, and courts would probably back it based on the same logic that stopped Hollywood from taking time-shifting away from us.

The future looks bleak for creative works online. These developments call for an overhaul of our copyright laws, but it really doesn't look like that's going to happen. Should a work that is only available in a DRM encumbered form still be protected by copyright? If so, why? Copyright was granted to copyright creators for a limited term, but with DRM, not only do they take away fair use, but they also gain the ability to close up their work forever. Hopefully someone gets elected soon that sees and is willing to fix the many problems with our copyright laws.

From my mouth, to Steve's ear (2, Interesting)

jake_eck (711007) | more than 8 years ago | (#14880894)

/ doesn't have a TV // only watched the Daily show when I had free cable and Eye-TV /// doesn't want to pay Comcast for 40 channels when all I watch is one show

ridicoulous (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14880917)

people pay monthly cables fees to watch these kind of shows, and all the network shows you can get fo free with an antenna, what is the purpose of repaying for something?

if people had more common sense, they would save the money they are wasting on buying these shows, and purchase cheap tv card for there pc that has dvr functions. (im sure you could even make it automaticly convert the files to the ipod format)
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