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Novell Returns to the SUSE Name

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the penguin-by-any-other-name dept.

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soren42 writes "It appears that Novell has decided to rename their enterprise desktop line SUSE, once again. According to an announcement at CeBIT, Novell will be releasing the next version of their desktop product under the name SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop - ditching the moniker Novell Linux Desktop. Naming aside, it looks like the features will be there to make it a strong desktop competitor."

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Re:UPDATE: TROLLTALK IS BACK IN ACTION!!!1! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887559)

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Shit, I fail it.

Re:UPDATE: TROLLTALK IS BACK IN ACTION!!!1! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887692)

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Name matters (4, Funny)

Spy Handler (822350) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887551)

SUSE is a better choice than Novell.

When you hear the word Novell, the image that pops up in your mind is "Old and Busted"

SUSE on the other hand, sounds vaguely of "New Sweetness"

Re:Name matters (0, Troll)

netkid91 (915818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887591)

NIS+ > Novell, hell I'd rather use rc.d and copy accounts to /etc/passwd from a LDAP/MySQL DB on boot and mount a users ~ to a NFS drive than screw with something that has been around since DOS, and never left that ERA!

Re:Name matters (5, Insightful)

mtenhagen (450608) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887600)

In my mind an image popups of of powerfull, reliable and secure software. Not the best looking but something you can build your business on.

With SUSE I think about some guys who decide to package a bunch of free software.

I think most of the "older" IT decision makers still remember the old novell software as being pretty stable.

Re:Name matters (3, Informative)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887800)

As someone who remember using Novell Btrieve (B-tree index file library) way back when, the last thing I associate with Novell is quality. This simple library had dozens of new errata every few months.

Re:Name matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887998)

I agree. I can sell "Novell" to my clients. They don't know anything about "SUSE" - a harder sell. Then you have to get into why it's capitalized - stupid idea leading to a stupid conversation. Novell is a better name.

Re:Name matters (2, Insightful)

Bender Unit 22 (216955) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888113)

Yes but it never did help Novell to appeal to the tech guys, now did it?
They should have learned something from Microsoft 10 years, never mind the tech people having to work with it, but clever marketing directed at the suits (to which Novell sounds old).
(And when you got them, THEN you can make a reliable product, but that is another story :D)

Re:Name matters (0, Offtopic)

Mattwolf7 (633112) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887603)

I'm sorry but the quote is as follows:

Agent J: What are you doing?
Kevin Brown/K: I always do the driving.
Agent J: Oh, no.
Kevin Brown/K: I remember that.
Agent J: No, you drive that old busted joint. I drive... the new hotness.
[pointing at K]
Agent J: Old and busted.
[pointing at himself]
Agent J: New hotness.

Re:Name matters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888308)

On the other hand..AT&T doesn't sound so sweet any more if you had the AT&T LD or Cable experience. Let's see how Cingular and BellSouth do with that one!!

Re:Name matters (1)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888312)

More like old and "god I'm sick of looking at that nasty server won't that piece of crap ever die?"

Re:Name matters (1)

barefootgenius (926803) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888400)

Actually, SUSE makes me think, "How do you say it?".

It sucks (literally!) (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888500)

If you read it in french, it means "sucks".

Almost as funny as naming a cara Nova which means 'doesnt go' in spanish.
Or my next door neighbor a fwe years ago, a charming german lady named Mrs. Kuntz.

I think they might reconsider SUSE in french speaking countries/

Good idea (5, Insightful)

parasonic (699907) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887561)

From my experiences, I've noticed that it's never a good idea to change the name of a well-known product unless you have a GOOD grip on the market where people are forced to remember/figure out the new naming. Otherwise, a lot of times, mass confusion occurs when something's name is changed, and customers go and try to find another product because they haven't been told that the name changed and assume that it disappeared (or think that something else might change).

Props to Novell. This was the right move.

Re:Good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887828)

customers go and try to find another product because they haven't been told that the name changed and assume that it disappeared

Um... huh? Novell's business is selling support contracts. I suppose what you say might be true for radically different markets, e.g. soap or paper towels, but are you seriously suggesting that there are people out there with support contracts for Novell Linux that will just think "duuhh... I guess Novell disappeared and me's gotta get me a new Linux!"?

Re:Good idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888031)

You have got to be kidding. Ok, sure in sessence with regards to NLD and SLES the money is in fact in the support contract, but most don't see it from that perspective. They see SLES and NLD as a product just like NT and XP.

BTW... Contrary to popular belief (and it's easy to miss in an MS marketing dominated globe) Novell makes quite a decent sum from their other products as well, including Netware (Now OES) and Groupwise. I'm a senior engineer for a networking implemeter that has been in business almost 20 years now and over 1/3 of our active engineering staff are "Novell Engineer's".

Re:Good idea (0, Flamebait)

wwwillem (253720) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888185)

I agree, another good example is Fedora. I think most people, even those who are using it, would have preferred a product called something like "RedHat Express", "Open RedHat" (where the word "Open" is ofcourse one of the most awful words), "RedHat Developers Edition" or simply "RedHat 10". If you have to use Fedora (read: can't afford RedHat Enterprise Linux), you're feeling a second class citizen. And watching the unstability of Fedora, you probably even are.

What do you mean? (2, Funny)

Ignominious Cow Herd (540061) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888206)

...I thought Inprise was a great name. :)

HA HA! (0, Flamebait)

ylikone (589264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887562)

I still won't use it!

Re:HA HA! (2, Funny)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887777)

I still won't use it!

What if they rename it to iWindows BSD Professional?

I have used it. (2, Informative)

ACMENEWSLLC (940904) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888544)

I have Novell Linux 10.0 installed. I ran RedHat from version 6 on to 9. Most of our RedHat servers ended life at version 8 and switched over to Mandrake 10.1o. Aka Mandriva 10.1, aka Madriva 2005?

Novell makes it almost impossible to get the free download of version 10.0, but if you are patient you can get it. Took me about 2 weeks to get the ISOs from their FTP server.

I was looking at Novell's Distro to provide DNS/DHCP. As a desktop, I was rather impressed. What I think is missing from most distro's is a central place to manage the system. Novell/SuSe has YaST which blows away apt-get, RPM, Urpmi, and has all the configuration settings in one well defined application with a constant feel. And unlike Urpmi and many of these tools, it actually works right out of the box. The live update works very well and is very user friendly. It handles Kernel updates and walks you through it.

Novell/SuSe has Ximian Evolution which looks very much like Outlook and has Exchange integration. http://helpdesk.its.uiowa.edu/exchange/ximian.htm [uiowa.edu]

This is one awesome distro. But it comes at a cost. It really is bloated inside of VMWare. It seems to lock up every 5 seconds for half a second. It is not what I am looking for in a DHCP/DNS server.

I almost went with Trustix, but wasn't sure of it's future. BSD seemed a good choice for this, but as everyone knows BSD is dead :)

We use Zenworks, Netware, eDirectory, and many other tools from Novell. But we are no loyalist. We are moving away from their solutions due to the lack of direction at Novell.

Re:HA HA! (1)

porl (932021) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887983)

fair enough, don't. not sure why you think that everyone on here needs to know that though. i'm sure not one person on here could care less about what i will or won't use either.

Some screenshots (5, Informative)

Zaitor (946692) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887564)

Re:Some screenshots (2, Insightful)

ylikone (589264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887604)

I love how distro's always have screenshots... when in fact they look the same as anything else running KDE or Gnome. It's ridiculous.

Re:Some screenshots (1)

archen (447353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888329)

Well there's more to a release then just being KDE or Gnome. I bought SuSE 9.0 and I'd say that was the stepping block from me to Linux, despite having been "exposed" to RedHat for years. I found SuSE to be reliable and rather attractive by default. A far cry from the drab, devoid of any cheer, "put me out of my misery" looking bluecurve theme RedHat came up with. Now I see that SuSE also has a theme that evokes images of lifelessness.

It's hard enough to get people to use computers; making the colors and themes look uninviting is NOT helping. I'm not saying you need to do gumbyland like Microsoft, but just use nicer colors at least (and I'm talking defaults here because a lot of people will never touch the configuration). Ever since KDE3 came out, the KDE team has been making a more appealing desktop. Too bad SuSE has gone over to the dark side =P

Re:Some screenshots (0)

netkid91 (915818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887632)

It looks like a Frankenstien monster of GNOME and KDE, MY EYES, THEY BURN!!!
<offtopic>FUCK THE SLOW DOWN COWBOY MESSAGE</offtopic>

Re:Some screenshots (2, Interesting)

MrDomino (799876) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887788)

Ew. Just look at the Qt theme in that YaST screenshot. Maybe that'll get cleaned up before release, but I somehow doubt it, as themes take a while to create and there's no Qt equivalent of gtk-engine-qt. Could somebody please explain to me why Novell decided to ditch SuSE's long history of innovative KDE hacking altogether and hop on the GNOME bandwagon?

Re:Some screenshots (2, Funny)

Andrew Tanenbaum (896883) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887847)

They have to use a crappy Qt theme, getting rid of its looks and its speed, so that it will fit in with GNOME programs.

Re:Some screenshots (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887854)

Because the Ximian guys won the battle. It took several years, but apparently, they are now in control.

Re:Some screenshots (1)

Zaitor (946692) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887874)

KDE is still there, just select it during install, and you get SuSE with KDE like you always have.

Re:Some screenshots (1)

Zaitor (946692) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887911)

Quote from http://www.planetsuse.org/ [planetsuse.org]

Apparently there is some confusion caused by bad coverage: it's the successor of Novell Linux Desktop 9, a rebranded NLD 10 - if you like to say so - which gives you the choice to use either KDE or GNOME. As Nat Friedman stated to some press you will not lose functionality when you choose to use KDE: every desktop's applications will run on the other desktop, OpenOffice.org will integrate into both equally, desktop search is available under both and Xgl/Compiz (if supported on your graphic card) is desktop-agnostic too. Also the KDE desktop inherits from SUSE Linux 10.1 nice stuff developed at SUSE like kpowersave and knetworkmanager which other distributions maybe will only adopt in their next but one release.

Re:Some screenshots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888135)

1. Code quality -- the quality of KDE code is shocking. Most KDE apps, and indeed the libaries, are just thrown together. There's no attempt at real dependency or modularisation.

2. C++ -- like it or not, zealots, C++ is a liability if your underlying system relies on it. It's great for apps... but shit for libraries. KDE breaks every five minutes due to ABI changes.

3. Licensing -- Qt's licensing is a millstone around the neck of KDE. As a consequence, KDE is a walking dead project. Even TrollTech realise this, and are already making preparations to make Qt's event loop work via GTK's. An admission that GTK is now the foundation of the Linux desktop -- as if it wasn't obvious from the level of commercial use and support GTK/GNOME has.

4. GNOME has all the best apps, by a wide margin -- with one exception: CD burning. K3B is ace and all CD burning apps for GNOME are crappy. Apart from that one anomaly, it's no contest.

So there you go... not really a difficult decision for Novell. They had to choose GNOME.

Re:Gnome, %@$%! (1)

nbritton (823086) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888262)

What's up with the Gnome desktop on SuSE Linux? Gnome might have been ok for Novell Linux Desktop but once you switch the name to SuSE it better default to KDE.

SuSE == KDE
KDE == SuSE

enough said!

--
BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

KDE supported on SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (1)

billybob2 (755512) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888494)

KDE will be equally supported on SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop. Stephan Binner, a Novell engineer who is also a lead KDE developer, confirmed this on his blog [kdedevelopers.org] .

Good brand recognition is important (3, Insightful)

LardBrattish (703549) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887570)

Just ask Borland/Inprise/Borland...

yeah, howd that work out for them (1)

hildi (868839) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887606)

oh, a rose by any other name stinks bad.

Re:Good brand recognition is important (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887793)

Just ask Borland/Inprise/Borland...

Who?

Re:Good brand recognition is important (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887844)

I think he's referring to an old company that used to make really good compilers for Pascal and C but have become obsolete with Microsoft's dominance on the Windows platform with Visual Studio and GNU's dominance everywhere else. Could you believe that people actually once PAID for a C or Pascal compiler for their computer? How fucking silly is that?

Re:Good brand recognition is important (1)

LardBrattish (703549) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888014)

Yep, it is silly. People still pay M$ for their crapola and Borland's superior tools languish in relative obscurity.

I have used Borland tools since the 1980s

I was a Delphi Beta tester

Delphi is running on my PC as I write this.

Re:Good brand recognition is important (1)

sirnuke (866453) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888318)

I agree. Borland's free C++ compiler is excellent (and free!), even though it hasn't been updated since 2000.

Re:Good brand recognition is important (1)

mnmn (145599) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888171)

Just ask ftp.cdrom.com. One-stop shop for all Linux applications and games.

Re:Good brand recognition is important (1)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888270)

How about Jack-In-The-Box/Montery Jack/Jack-In-The-Box?

Time/Warner/Turner/Time Warner/Time Warner/AOL/Time Warner?

Micro-Soft/Microsoft?

AT&T/South Western Bell/Bellsouth/SBC/AT&T?

US Robotics/3COM/US Robotics Modems?

Burger Chef/Carl Jr's/Hardees?

Honestly (4, Insightful)

WebHostingGuy (825421) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887598)

I didn't even know they dropped the SUSE name. I guess maybe they didn't market the other name very well. (They might want to try to brand SUSE a little better).

Novel sux, SUSE sweet (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887614)

I have been a RedHat who...um, practioner...since 4.2 and through Fedora Core 4.

I just installed OpenSUSE 10.0 and am really enjoying it. I had to live with NLD 9 ona job last year, and it was OK. I preferred CentOS however.

But, SUSE 10 is solid, quick (once you turn off Beagle indexing in GNOME) and full featured.

Novell fails to inspire confidence. But, if they use the SUSE name, I can almost forget it is from Novell. I like that.

Novell Completely Lost At Sea? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887619)

From their pointless support of dead projects like Mono to stuff like this re-branding, Novell continues to be a boring mystery of a company similar to Borland.

Just kill it already (1, Troll)

ylikone (589264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887622)

Go ahead Novell, kill it. You know that's what you are really good at. It is inevitable. RIP SUSE.

Re:Just kill it already (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887739)

Why not, it killed Wordperfect.

Brand recognision (4, Insightful)

themushroom (197365) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887637)

To be kinder than a previous post (but the "old and busted" sentiment remains, hee hee!), brand name recognision is there:

SuSE is the name of a Linux distro. People know it's a Linux distro. Calling it "Novelle" makes it sound like it's not a Linux distro.

Novelle is a networking systeme. Networking, not a desktop environment. SuSE may be able to be used in a networking environment but it's not a network environment in itself like Novelle.

Corporate vanity failed. The world is on the way to being right again. It'll be better when Earthlink spins off its dialup service, renames it back to Mindspring, and hires Americans to take the tech calls since the reason why the two merged was for Earthlink [good brand, lousy cust service] to obtain the customer service skillz of Mindspring [unknown brand, JD Powers-praised cust service].

Re:Brand recognision (1)

themushroom (197365) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887649)

...okay, and doubling the customer base from 3mil to 6mil. There was that too. :)

Re:Brand recognision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888013)

What the fucke are you blathering aboute?

Re:Brand recognision - (1)

PoconoPCDoctor (912001) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888025)

It's Recognition!

and

Novell - (sans E)

Not so Insightfully moderated by spelling charlatans!

Hmph! Please add this post to my next Meta-Moderator list - thank you very much!

Re:Brand recognision (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888097)

My first choice for an OS is 'Novella'. It's still sounds kinda like Novell, but you can write one much faster ;)

Re:Brand recognision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888102)

Novell is actually the name of a software company. Netware is the name of a network "systeme" so the use of "Novell Enterprise Desktop" was not inappropriate.

turn off the lights (0, Flamebait)

Leadmagnet (685892) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887651)

Novell is flailing, gasping it's lasts breaths before it rolls over and sinks beneath the waves of change. The only real revenue keeping its head above water is government agencies that haven't moved off legacy products that no one else uses.

Re:turn off the lights (5, Interesting)

wclacy (870064) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887910)

Most Government agencies have not switched from Novell products because Novell products Work better and cost less.

What do most Government agencies use Novell products for? Most use mainly File and Print Servers as well as Novells Directory.
Novell has the Best File Server, The best Print Server, and the Best Directory of any Company and any product!
Many of their other Products could also be considered better than the rest.
ZenWorks is much better than Microsofts SMS! What do you want people to switch to? Microsoft?

The company I work for is in the process of switching over to Microsoft for File and print.
We are switching from Netware 5/6 servers to a Windows 2003 Cluster.

For this switch my company has paid millions to Microsoft and in the end we are going to have less functionality and it will take more time to manage than what we could do with Novell 10 years ago!!!

The reason that Microsoft can sell it's product is because they make their pitch to the CIO of a company, and tell the non technical CIO how much money he will save. (They don't tell him about the increased down time and increased time to manage and patch. Or the hundreds of thousand of dollars he will have to pay to 3rd party software venders just to make the crap work.)

I have talked to some IS staff at various places and have heard the same story from all of them:
Microsoft came and talked to the CIO and gave him a deal on Microsoft products, But Only if they agreed not to renew thier contract with Novell.
In most cases they were willing to give them Microsoft software to replace their Novell software for pennies on the dollar. Microsoft looses nothing since they were already getting the same amount of money for Windows and office. But now they are able to use their Monopoly on the desktop to try and push Novell out of business.

I have been supporting Netware, windows, Linux, and Unix since the early 1990s and I have not found anything that works as good as Novell's products.

Re:turn off the lights (1)

peterpressure (940132) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888530)

keep drinking the novell cool aid buddy, guzzle guzzle...

To be expected. (4, Insightful)

jd (1658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887661)

Brand Recognition Good, Brand Confusion Bad.


The big danger is that chopping and changing the brand name again will worsen the confusion, rather than clarify things. Those who have grown used to the Novell name may not be so happy with the SuSE name and may even reach the (incorrect) conclusion that it's a distribution fork. Remember, the enterprise market has been pumped up with the FUD that Linux is going to fork "some day".


The name-change to Novell was a Bad Idea (apologies to 1066 And All That), so it would seem that switching back to SuSE would be a Good Idea. There is also strong evidence that the Solaris/SunOS name-switching by Sun didn't kill the product line - although it definitely didn't help and was such a farce that it is still clearly remembered to this day.


Red Hat's method (Red Hat for the Enterprise, Fedora Core for the Real Users) is acceptable, though certainly not brilliant. It's one way of leveraging brand recognition for multiple brands. Works better in the car industry than the software industry, I suspect.

Re:To be expected. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887814)

Sun Microsystem is even worse, they rebranded thier software applications from Solstice to SunOne to Java. Java is the most confusing brand because most of Sun's applications doesn't contain Java.

Heh! (1)

jd (1658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888128)

Oh, Java used to be branded Oak, when it was aimed at household appliances.

Re:To be expected. (5, Insightful)

LardBrattish (703549) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888060)

Red Hat's method (Red Hat for the Enterprise, Fedora Core for the Real Users) is acceptable, though certainly not brilliant.

That's a marketing disaster for Red Hat IMHO.

They had the undisputed #1 dominant brand & split off the goodwill generating bit and forced most of their loyal users to switch to a different distro and - get this - the users figured there were OTHER non Red Hat Linux distros and - shock horror - some of them did stuff better than Red Hat.

Brilliant move morons. 5 years ago Red Hat was the shoo in no brainer distro for servers everywhere. Today Suse is the preferred supplier to the NSW govt.

I'd have to agree... (2, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888152)

...that they would have done better to use a different name for the enterprise edition and keep the goodwill name for themselves. Fedora Core isn't really a different distro - they just used the fedora name.

Fedora? (1)

mnmn (145599) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888195)

Are you kidding me? Fedora was a bad joke on the opensource community which gave birth to, and continues to feed redhat.

Fedora is throwing the scraps to the dogs. The whole reason why anyone would choose redhat or suse is theyre enterprise and have been well standardized. You can much more easily run Oracle, DB2, Domino, Websphere etc on these two (as certified) than on slackware, debian, knoppix, gentoo, mandrake. Say you own a company and need an oracle server. You pick up a cheap server with good raid disks and install redhat and suse, then oracle. Even if youre a slackware or gentoo fan, you'll have to use redhat or suse to avoid the headaches.

Now how easy is it to install those enterprise commercial apps on fedora?

OLD NEWS!! (2, Informative)

peterpressure (940132) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887666)

Errrr.... Weve been using the Novell SUSE enterprise desktop where I work for ages. Dunno where this "New Name" came from but they sold it to us awhile ago when we paid for SUSE Desktop and Zenworks... We paid a lot so i hope we didnt get bilked...

Re:OLD NEWS!! (3, Informative)

Jahf (21968) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887946)

as far as I remember, Novell only released their desktop product as Novell Linux Desktop, which was based on SuSE Enterprise Linux. They kept the SuSE naming for the business products.

Re:OLD NEWS!! (1)

peterpressure (940132) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888474)

yea, i actually ment 2 be more sarcastic then informative... we only received the copies recently (month or so)... ;p

I gotta say this for SuSE (3, Informative)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887682)

While I use Ubuntu on my "home office" computer, I think SuSE is the current front-runner for the home computer desktop OS. I've got SuSE 9.1 on our home computer for the wife and kids to use, it's just a slick package.

Given the choice, it's the first one I would recommend to relatives.

Dear Novell People, (4, Funny)

dartarrow (930250) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887702)

I have a stuffed penguin with the name 'Novell' written on it's belly which I purchased from your staff at an IT conference. Now, due to the name change, my dear Novell Tux is considered worthless and damaged goods. As the damage is caused by your part, I expect to receive full compensation in form of one (1) stuffed penguin sized 100" by 40" which is 10 times the size of my Novell Tex(tm). The increase in size is requested to remind you that what seems like a simple change of name is in fact psychologically damaging to a nerd. Upon receiving the new Suse Tux, I will destroy my Novell Tux to eliminate the chance of any other geek suffering from the same trauma I have. I expect you to comply with my wishes within 30 days from today. Failing which you will hear from my whose amazing achievements can be seen here. [com.com]

Sincerely,

Me

Come on now... (1)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887841)

I have a stuffed penguin with the name 'Novell' written on it's belly which I purchased from your staff at an IT conference. Now, due to the name change, my dear Novell Tux is considered worthless and damaged goods. As the damage is caused by your part, I expect to receive full compensation in form of one (1) stuffed penguin sized 100" by 40" which is 10 times the size of my Novell Tex(tm). The increase in size is requested to remind you that what seems like a simple change of name is in fact psychologically damaging to a nerd. Upon receiving the new Suse Tux, I will destroy my Novell Tux to eliminate the chance of any other geek suffering from the same trauma I have. I expect you to comply with my wishes within 30 days from today. Failing which you will hear from my whose amazing achievements can be seen here. [com.com]

You can now sell it now because it's a collectors item. Make some mola from some nerd.

Re:Dear Novell People, (1)

alfrin (858861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888073)

Now, due to the name change, my dear Novell Tux is considered worthless and damaged goods.
I take it you are new to the software business.

You always want a name.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887704)

..that Americans can't pronounce. Then they'll be a little bit bothered by it, like when you have the feeling there's some fantastic party you haven't been invited to.

Re:You always want a name.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887853)

You always want a name....that Americans can't pronounce.

What's so difficult about SOOS LYENUX?

Seriously, Americans mispronounced Linux for years after it became the hot buzzword. Only Slashdot nerds were annoyed. "SOOS" actually sounds pretty cool and is memorable.

Makes perfect sense to me (1)

Black Copter Control (464012) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887706)

People who want Linux will recognize the SUSE name.

For people who want Novell, you can sell them "Novell Directory Server on SuSe Enterprise", or whatever.

I think that they'll really get the best of both worlds with the new setup.

Misleading subject (3, Informative)

houghi (78078) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887760)

The subject makes you believe that Novell had dropped the SUSE name and returns to it now. That is not completely acurate. The SUSE (Not SuSE anymore) name was always there as a distro and at no point was there any thought about dropping that name.

SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop is not the same as the SUSE Linux you can download for free. By naming it is does show, again, Novells comitment with Linux.

Oh and just so you are all clear on names: SUSE is the distribution, openSUSE is the comunity. SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server are the products they sell for real.

Ha! (2, Insightful)

recharged95 (782975) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887771)

A light went off in the company. Someone must have said, "Why do we have OpenSuSE and NLD and OES, SLES instead of just SuSE Linux?

At least MS (Windows ) and Apple (OSX ) got it right. And I mean the cute code name stuff in all Linux distros is starting to get out of hand.

Aside from RedHat, you guys got to admit SuSE has a lot of potential (i.e. OpenSuSE and SuperSuSE specifically).

Re:Ha! (1)

Bull999999 (652264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887926)

At least MS (Windows ) and Apple (OSX ) got it right.

I'm not sure if MS did get it right. At first, they used letters (NT) for business OS and years (95, 98) for home OS. Then it switched to year (2000) for business OS and letters (ME) for home OS. Then MS combined the business and home OSes into a single codebase (which I think was a good idea) and called it XP, but kept their server OSes in year naming format.

Re:Ha! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887967)

Yeah... The cute codenames in all Linux distros are getting to me, too. I mean, what's up with Slackware 10.2? When will it end?

Re:Ha! (1)

0racle (667029) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888572)

When it goes to 11.

Rose by any other name. (1)

MrCopilot (871878) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887829)

If you knew SUSE like I know Novell....*

*After coming up with 12 different endings for this joke I leave it open for debate.

Linux and Solid Desktop Contender... (2, Funny)

OSgod (323974) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887876)

... in the same sentence just seems not right.

NLD vs Suse Desktop vs SLES (1)

TheNinjaroach (878876) | more than 8 years ago | (#14887889)

Novell Linux Desktop was their attempt at an enterprise-grade desktop OS.

SuSE Linux was them continuing the SuSE distro. While it *could* be used in the enterprise, that's not how they were pushing it.

SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) was their server.

They never offered a Linux server OS w/ the Novell name on it. Now it appears they're trying to be a bit more consistant with the naming scheme. NLD and SuSE Linux were two different beasts all together. I had much luck with SuSE 9 while NLD 9 gave me many headaches - they should have been nearly identical but weren't.

Maybe they're simply dropping the Novell Linux Desktop distro?

Re:NLD vs Suse Desktop vs SLES (1)

cpthowdy (609034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888026)

"They never offered a Linux server OS w/ the Novell name on it."

Feel free to take a look a NOVELL OPEN ENTERPRISE SERVER.

"Maybe they're simply dropping the Novell Linux Desktop distro?"

No they're not dropping it, this whole friggin article was about them CHANGING THE NAME of said distro.

Re:NLD vs Suse Desktop vs SLES (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888533)

Also Novell Small Business Server.

Re:NLD vs Suse Desktop vs SLES (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888352)

Good grief....

The Novell-named Linux server was/is Novell Open Enterprise Server with the Linux Kernel (as opposed to using the NetWare kernel). NLD (now SLED) is definitely still around and is being pushed harder than NLD was/is. It is probably the best option for Enterprise Desktops on Linux in the immediate future with corporate support (RedHat support sucks....I know....finally able to drop that nonsense after 3 years of trying to live with untrained people).

S.L.E.D.? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14887995)

Just what we need, yet another four letter acronym. Or perhaps they think business need a SLED to compliement their LAMP.

Take a look... (5, Informative)

soren42 (700305) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888002)

There's official Novell screenshots (a nice sneak preview) online at http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/preview.htm l [novell.com] .

All the screenshots appear to be GNOME (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888240)

I mean, I like GNOME, but it's hard to imagine SuSE without KDE.

It went something like this... (4, Funny)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888003)

"After discovering that our customers didn't know WTF Novell Desktop Linux was, but oddly enough had heard of SuSE, we're changing our Linux line back to SuSE!"

A logical choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888034)

I mean if you knew SUSE like I know SUSE...

You call that a name? (1)

transami (202700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888038)

It doesn't even fit in a normal size mouth. "SUSE Linux Enterprise What"? I mean really, could the name be any more convoluted? From the other posts it is obvious there are plenty of Linux geeks supporting this, but to the lay user this is just garble. What is a SUSE, anyway? At least people KNOW the name Novell. Many have nostalgic feelings for those early network days. So what's wrong with "Novell Desktop" or if you insist on the lizard, "SUSE Desktop from Novell".

K.I.S.S.

Pronuciation? (2, Funny)

goodie3shoes (573521) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888063)

It's embarassing to be chatting with fellow geeks at the LUG meeting and mispronounce distro names - is it "Suzy/Susie" or "sooz" (rhymes with "muse")? And Ubuntu - is is "yew-bun-two" or "ooh-bun-two"?

Re:Pronuciation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888105)

Suzie and ooh-bun-two (bun rhymes with mun as in munster)

Re:Pronuciation? (4, Informative)

drewness (85694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888197)

SuSE - zu-zuh [suseroot.com]
Ubuntu - oo-BOON-too [wikipedia.org]

Re:Pronuciation? (1)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888224)

I say SuSE like John Philip Sousa -> Sooza

Re:Pronuciation? (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888258)

I just say S-U-S-E....like E-I-E-I-O

Easier to spell....

Re:Pronuciation? (1)

nbritton (823086) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888398)

um... what do you mean? :-)

--
BSD Podcasts @ http://bsdtalk.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Consider Redhat (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14888066)

We're not going to change the name of our distro. :)

Support Confusion (4, Interesting)

Skewray (896393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888111)

When I used to use SuSE, I went to the SuSE website for support, such as using bugzilla. With the switch to Novell, I had to wander around for hours in Novell's mazelike web pages to find, register, and use the same set of support utilities. Will I have migrate back to SuSE for the next distribution? Maybe half here and half there? What a mess they are making of this. Reminds me of Red Hat's mess when they stopped supporting the desktop, and then created Fedora some months later. A lot of users, myself included, switched to SuSE then.

On the other hand, I have found SuSE/Novell/whatever much more pleasant to use than Red Hat. The Novell bugzilla response has been particularly good.

Show me don't tell me. (1)

jbn-o (555068) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888395)

Novell has made a couple of choices which don't display a clear committment to formats one can play with FLOSS.

Recently they started an audio show distributed online and this show is encoded exclusively in MP3 format. I wrote to them suggesting that they upload a WAV or FLAC file to archive.org and let archive.org make derivative files in a variety of formats including Ogg Vorbis, thus simultaneously offloading bandwidth and hosting resources while allowing people to hear their show without necessarily giving up their software freedom.

Now their "narrated screencam" is distributed exclusively in RealMedia format, for which there is no FLOSS player. This doesn't have to be this way—one could distribute the same movie in Ogg Theora+Ogg Vorbis format as well as their (apparently) preferred non-free format.

By contrast the Fedora project, York Student television [york.ac.uk] (including Fluendo's Java player; I don't yet know if this will work with the Free Java software, but it's a handy way to point someone to a URL and let them watch the show) and a number of others [theora.org] distribute audio in Ogg Vorbis and movies with audio in Ogg Theora+Vorbis one can play on any platform using Free Software [videolan.org] . There are even plugins for proprietary players to play these files (like illiminable's Windows Media player software [illiminable.com] ).

Red Hat changes name too (4, Funny)

theendlessnow (516149) | more than 8 years ago | (#14888396)

After coming out with:

Red Hat Advanced Server

Followed by:

Red Hat Enterprise Linux Advanced Server

Red Hat proudly announces the availabity of:

Red Hat Ultra Enterprise Linux Super Advanced Server Extra Value Edition

Or RHUELSASEVE for short.

You'll still be able get their workstation product as well:

Red Hat Ultra Enterprise Linux Super Advanced Workstation Plus

Or just say RHUELSAWP!!

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