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Cisco Plans Its Home Invasion

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the my-fridge-talks-to-me-at-night dept.

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theodp writes "Despite lots of scars from earlier consumer craziness which included an Internet-connected fridge, Newsweek reports Cisco has set its sights on your living room, including videoconferencing which would let CEO John Chambers watch his beloved Duke basketball with far-away relatives. While recent acquisitions of Linksys and Scientific Atlanta make Cisco the only company that can come in on top of technology that's already inside homes, some skeptics say speaking to the consumer is simply not in Cisco's genes."

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First P0st (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903441)

BWAHAHAHAHA

Re:First P0st (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903748)

Dan Kan'onji? Is that you?

Simply not in Cisco's genes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903453)

Cisco can buy a virus.

PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

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Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP!!! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903483)

>Please contact me as quickly as possible through this email address (adebe021@yahoo.com) treat this matter as very important and confidential.

Let the spamming begin! (from spam-bots, of course)

Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903517)

OH MY GOD, Daddy died in a car wreck?

Re:PEOPLE WITH MOD POINTS: CALL FOR HELP!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903665)

"We may request that the money be sent to Europe for your collection."

HA HA

They want you to send money to Europe for YOUR collection.

CEO != the general public (5, Insightful)

AubieTurtle (743744) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903487)

Just because the CEO thinks something is cool doesn't mean the general public will. I've used all kinds of high end video conferencing systems and none of them come anywhere close to replicating the experience of being in the same room with other people. And that's in a business setting. The difference between being together and being hooked up on video conference would be even greater for social situations. Throw in the lesser quality that they're going to have to go with for a home system over a business system for cost reasons and things look really dim. Which isn't to say there would be any market, just that the experience is not likely to be compelling enough to become a big seller.

Re:CEO != the general public (2, Funny)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903498)

Just because the CEO thinks something is cool doesn't mean the general public will.

Is that a nice way of saying "Duke sucks?" Because I whole-heartedly agree.

Re:CEO != the general public (5, Funny)

AubieTurtle (743744) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903507)

Well, this is Slashdot, not Fark...

Re:CEO != the general public (0, Troll)

unitron (5733) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903573)

"Is that a nice way of saying "Duke sucks?" Because I whole-heartedly agree."

The ACC final was very disappointing because there was no way that both Dook and BC could lose.

Re:CEO != the general public (1, Insightful)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903562)

But that is also the way that a lot of great products have been developed. One guy dreams up something he thinks would be really neat, brings it to market and it makes millions. Of course there have also been many products that have failed totally and completely with most of us wondering who the hell thought that up.

Maybe, maybe not... (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903624)

Throw in the lesser quality that they're going to have to go with for a home system over a business system for cost reasons and things look really dim.

Is this really true anymore? The kinds of hardware resources that used to be required for "high end" solutions are now commonly found in consumer grade hardware, and with the advances and proliferation of broadband in the home, maybe the quality issue is not really an issue anymore...

Re:Maybe, maybe not... (1)

Baricom (763970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904355)

Well, for "high end solutions" from 20 years ago, you're absolutely right. The bar for high end has continued to move for businesses, however. Cheap, easy-to-use systems typically cost about $5,000 per room today. However, better stuff is often used, and this costs much, much more.

State-of-the-art videoconferencing systems today can send and receive broadcast-quality video from multiple sites. These rooms can have multiple cameras, staff in a hidden control room to operate the cameras and participant microphones, and fat network pipes to send the video.

Much of my job revolves around videoconferencing, and on a typical day, it's not at all uncommon for us to support multicast traffic between 5 sites at a rate of 45 megabits per second. No consumer broadband is even close to being able to handle that.

Re:Maybe, maybe not... (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904440)

Cheap, easy-to-use systems typically cost about $5,000 per room today. However, better stuff is often used, and this costs much, much more.

Oh, I agree "Business Class" solutions do cost more. But I don't think the underlaying technology is more expensive, or even that much different. I think it's more along the lines of they know they can get more by calling it a "Business Class" solution.

This can be seen in many areas such as Internet connectivity, and every-day products sold to government, and business alike.

Re:CEO != the general public (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903634)

The future may hold new technologies such as HD Video that may make a more immersive environment. Don't always think of the future in today's technologies.

Is this one of those "troll" articles (2)

TheSpoogeAwards (589343) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903488)

I've been hearing about?

Control? (3, Insightful)

Homology (639438) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903494)

Consumers will exert as much control over their TVs as they now have over their Web browsers, ordering from a limitless menu of programming. With a few clicks of the remote control, viewers will be able not only to watch old movie classics, but to open video and audio connections to far-flung family members, so they can view shows (say, Duke basketball) and talk to each other as though they were all sitting in the same room.

The dude writing the article should not should not just copy/paste something produced by Cisco market department. The remote controll as it is today is quite simply not suited for this expanded functionality, and I like my remote control to be small and not a big keyboard.

Re:Control? (2, Interesting)

ROOK*CA (703602) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903550)

The dude writing the article should not should not just copy/paste something produced by Cisco market department.

Well I don't know about you but I did get the impression that author of the Article had no idea that Cisco even existed before he got this assignment, the whole article smacks of "Golly Gee, This Cisco is really great ! They made the whole Internet ! You guys should check these folks out!". Therfor I would not be surprised if the Cisco Marketing Group wrote a big portion of his article for him.

I think John Chambers is given to these mild flights of fancy from time to time though, I can recall a few years back at InterOP where he was going on and on about Internet Connected Gasoline Pumps where you could order pizzas, movies, check on your dry cleaning, yada, yada. Guess it's takes such things to be a "visionary".

Re:Control? (1)

slashname3 (739398) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904519)

Consumers will exert as much control over their TVs as they now have over their Web browsers, ordering from a limitless menu of programming. With a few clicks of the remote control, viewers will be able not only to watch old movie classics,

Do most of this now with a mythtv system. As to being able to see and talk with relatives using video conferencing, pretty much a non-starter. No reason to waste bandwidth on something as useless as that. There is a reason they are in another city 1500 miles away.

CISCO in the LIVING ROOM! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903506)

"...are you ready?"

First they should know what they're talking about (5, Insightful)

robthebob (742982) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903522)

From TFA (1)
audio, video and data technology requires a new type of wiring called "category 5," which has five strands within one sheath.
Wrong....

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903538)

I thought cat 5 was rated for a house with 5 cats...

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903560)

Technically you could include the tensile strand but its not a true strand per se...cat6 usually has that plus a plastic tensile strand but cat5 simply follows cat 4...just a coincidence...

who wrote this article, the marketing department =)

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (1)

ePhil_One (634771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903952)

but cat5 simply follows cat 4

It's like, 1 more...

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (1)

SmittyTheBold (14066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903978)

So that brings the total number to nine, by my recollection.

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903610)

Category 5? New kind of wiring?

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (1)

robthebob (742982) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903648)

That article is from 2000

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904639)

cat 5 wasn't new in 2000 either.

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904015)

just for the non-geeks in the audience (there might be some) cat 5e is actually eight wires (but only 1 2 3? and 5? are in use (they are colored Blue/Bluewhite and Orange/Orangewhite) bonus GeekPoints with the clip down what is the correct wiring for Straight -Crossover and Rollover cables?

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904048)

The others are most certainly in use. They're grounded wires twisted around the signal carrying wires. Try not connecting them and then running a decent length of cable in a moderately noisy environment.

Re:First they should know what they're talking abo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904123)

Actually the other 4 are used for POE and gigabit ethernet.

correct wiring (1)

fuego451 (958976) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904204)

First, pins 1,2,3 and 6 are in use. 1 TD+, 2 TD-, 3 RD+, 6 RD-.

On a straight through cable both ends would be:

pin # wire color
1 white w/ orange
2 orange
3 white w/ green
4 blue
5 white w/ blue
6 green
7 white w/ brown
8 brown

For a Cross-over cable, on one end you would just swap wires
1&3 and 2&6.

You've got me on the rollover cable. Never heard of it.

Re:correct wiring (1)

Kizeh (71312) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904273)

...except if it's a gigabit crossover cable, where you have to cross the other pairs too, and you loose the white/color;color interleaving scheme.

Re:correct wiring (1)

TheScottishGuy (701141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904698)

isn't gigbit ethernet equipment autosensing by default? i thought part of the standard was including the capability to use a regular ethernet cable or a crossover without having to wire them differently?

Re:correct wiring (1)

ldspartan (14035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904840)

Sadly, that part of the spec is optional. Most gig gear does implement it though.

Re:correct wiring (1)

Baricom (763970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904311)

Rollover cables are used to talk to the console port of a router. You make them by "rolling over" the connector on one side of the cable, upside down. The pinout is therefore 12345678 to 87654321.

Home Invasion (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903546)

I'm not worried. I have a panic room.

Re:Home Invasion (1)

Jachra (960690) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903582)

Soon to be Home Invasion by hacking.

Re:Home Invasion (1)

iTristan (893792) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903992)

does a bathroom count as a panic room?

funny! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903563)

"television, telephone and Web services will flow into living rooms over the same fat Internet pipe"
They already do, it's called Comcast

Having Friends Over (4, Insightful)

highwaytohell (621667) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903604)

Are Cisco intent on stopping all social interaction of any kind? If i want to watch the football and ogle the cheerleaders with some friends, i generally invite them over to the house, light up a barbecue and get beer out of the fridge. Cisco possibly suspect that we are all germophobes who hate leaving the confines of our house or interacting with humanity of any kind. Humanity may be evolving, but there is still that caveman/woman in us that needs to have our own social groups and interact with them. Half of the human language is based on physical presence, and this just takes all of that away. John Chambers must be living in some deluded Lawnmower Man fantasy land.

Re:Having Friends Over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903682)

Some of us put beer *in* the fridge when expecting friends...

Re:Having Friends Over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903985)

John may have a team working on Beer over IP right now :-)

Re:Having Friends Over (1)

arjun (33278) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904139)

i am under the impression that cisco is working on a new protocol beer-over-ip. more details at 11.

Re:Having Friends Over (1)

globalar (669767) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904200)

Moreover, why does anyone at Cisco think making casual communication more complicated (and expensive) is going to succeed? When I want to watch the game with friends, I don't want to play the techie. Home networking is already too complicated, placing too much of a burden on the end user all while hopelessly confusing him. Security, ports, IP addresses, and troubleshooting are still beyond the average TV watcher.

Anybody who assumes these challenges will simply fade away as we put more and more services on our networks is insane. I'm looking at you Chambers.

distance (1)

Asgaard (887693) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904500)

MAYBE not every group of friends is in a 30min drive radio from each other, ever think about that?
in other words, i think this push is to overcome too long distances, not to overcome too short distances.

Re:Having Friends Over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904521)

Well, to be honest....I'm waiting for something like this...!!
I live in Amsterdam the Netherlands, but my friends are all in South-America....and with the upcoming world cup, geee....I wish I could watch it " together" with them.....if this can work....I will surely be hooked to this device....

huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903605)

WTF is "Basketball"?

- Neighborhood Nerd

Re:huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903803)

it's a cross between baseball and football, hence the term "basketball". It's a pretty stupid name.

team sports, mega MEH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904497)

I always wondered why they made us short white guys even play it in high school. I mean, give me a break. There is such a thing as stark physical reality. I wanted to like shoot pool or go target shooting or something, but NO-O-O-O, HAD to go out and play with some thing big as a beachball and try to chunk it up through some small hoop at the second story level. At least that is what it seemed like to me.

nuts... what a waste of time, only thing I got out of it was a way to dodge pitchers of beer from jocks in bars. I would bet them I could palm a basketball for a pitcher. They would go "You're on!". Go out to car, get a basketball, come back into bar,hold it in two palms, say "pay up, I never specified how many palms I had to use".

They should adjust basketball by average height of the players. Todays pros and college (pro version 2) teams with 7 foot plus freaks got no business using hoops that aren't at least around 20 feet off the floor. The balls need to be 4 feet in diameter and weigh 30 lbs. Leyt's see some hundred point games then. I wanna see those "athletes" slam dunk THAT bad boy. How hard is it for some elevator human to reach up 2.5 inches and "slam dunk" something looks like a softball in their hands??

big fat joke

And *football*, give me a break part two, why don't they just admit reality and allow all the steroids and speed and pain killers they can handle, along with interspecies play. Why live the lie? Is there *really* that much difference from those guys and like gorillas or like oxen with helmets and gear on? Make it at least interesting for the real humans to watch....

Duke (-1, Flamebait)

ScottCooperDotNet (929575) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903614)

Duke sucks.

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903630)

Duck Fuke! - Cheers, Zach

Re:Duke (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903687)

NCAA CHAMPS 2006! :D

Re:Duke (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903793)

Duke sucks.

Wrong site. You want Fark . . . . .

2001... (1)

shredthrashgrind (960700) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903618)

.. all these wired features and many more will be available by the end of next year ..
Ah, I just can't wait to be spying on my kid, reading my email, and keeping up on slashdot WHILE paying for a movie.

Consumers will have control??? (5, Insightful)

unitron (5733) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903628)

"Consumers will exert as much control over their TVs ..." et cetera blah, blah, blah.

The only way consumers will have any control is if Cisco-SA-Linksys stay the hell out of the content business and have enough money and clout to tell the content business to get stuffed.

Otherwise it's Sony all over again. The consumer isn't seen as the real customer.

Linksys is a recent aquisition (3, Informative)

9mm Censor (705379) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903635)

"While recent acquisitions of Linksys..." 3 years ago.

Re:Linksys is a recent aquisition (1)

9mm Censor (705379) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904013)

How is this funny? Its sad that the submitter failed to check facts, or worse pulled them out of his ass.

Oh Dear.... (5, Interesting)

segedunum (883035) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903641)

Microsoft, Intel, AMD and now Cisco all have this strange belief (mostly via their idiot CEOs) that they're going to make this triumphant entry into peoples' living rooms. I'm afraid they are PC software and hardware companies, and nothing more. They just don't have what it takes in the same way as Apple, LG and other consumer electronics companies do.

There's also the issue of the use OF DRM, and the paradox that the only way you can make a digital home is to make content flow like water i.e. it's free (like peoples' MP3 collections today) or ridiculously cheap. There's no way that's going to happen legitimately.

There's also the issue that the average home user can't afford a home network, a central Windows Media server or ridiculously expensive Cisco equpment.

These silly PC companies are all pissing patterns in the snow.

Re:Oh Dear.... (1)

ZorroIII (659075) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904071)

Lucky you, Cisco will withdraw from any market if they are not the first or second player in that market within a few years.

Holography (1)

jrmiller84 (927224) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903653)

Until holography becomes available(Star Wars? [sithclan.net] ), I don't think the experience will be quite like having them actually there. Even then it may not compare. OK, I'm dreaming...

A prerequisite (1, Interesting)

Alarash (746254) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903667)

If Cisco plans to "invade" homes, they'll have to drop their IOS crap. Or at least develop a graphical management system. Command lines are fine and all, but anyone who dealt with IOS will tell you they wished they could set simple things via a graphical interface. And home consumers will never consider buying a product that they can configure only via a shell.

Re:A prerequisite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903684)

Aren't there already graphical tools used to configure Cisco routers? Even five years ago I remember seeing tools that did this.

Re:A prerequisite (1)

SirSmiley (845591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903686)

You can use cisco works once the thing is up and running (plug it into a laptop via console or lan connection and configure it). It's still not really designed like a linksys router for "quick setup" however

Re:A prerequisite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903717)

Even if they had a GUI, the target market is geeks who don't care and people who'd rather pay for someone to set it up. VARs, anyone?

I disagree.. (1)

schon (31600) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903718)

.. not that you're wrong, but because *before* people have to deal with that, Cisco will have to make their equipment works out of the box with everybody else's.

That means Cisco is going to have to step boldly into the '90s and get MII autoconfig working.

Re:A prerequisite (2, Informative)

grumling (94709) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903858)

If Cisco plans to "invade" homes, they'll have to drop their IOS crap. Or at least develop a graphical management system.



Well, if you look at the top left corner on this site [linksys.com] , you'll see that Linksys is a division of Cisco Systems. The very same Cisco that is the subject of the article.

I really don't think they are planning on selling the standard home user a 7200VXR chassis!

Re:A prerequisite (1)

MetaPhyzx (212830) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904471)

Although I could use one of those 2800's...:)

Re:Unique IOS Contract terms (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904477)


I really don't think they are planning on selling the standard home user a 7200VXR chassis!


The way cisco works, I doubt they'd care as long as they paid up, even if it means they gave up their firstborn for the term of the contract. I'd only be worried when I start seeing "Eternity" on their site as a valid option for a contract term for CCO access to support.

Re:A prerequisite (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903966)

Cisco already has a GUI for it's routers (along with a variety of UIs for other devices).. named SDM (Secure Device Manager). It has firewall, intrustion prevention, secure configuration, and a slew of other features to set up a feature-filled device. Those that believe the IOS is crap are those that don't understand it. Being an admin of a carrier-grade network I'll take a CLI over a fluffy UI any day of the week. It's extrememly powerful and offers features that others in the industry try to simulate. Agreed that a nice UI will be required for a consumer, but that UI needs to be an extension of the IOS feature-set rather than a replacement. Why fix what's not broken?

Re:A prerequisite (1)

Rekolitus (899752) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903971)

Uh. I've used IOS and I don't wish the whole thing were replaced with a graphical interface. Obviously a graphical interface is neccesary for the home market, but I prefer being able to configure by command line than by web interface, or at least make it optional.

Re:A prerequisite (2, Informative)

Enoch Zembecowicz (698998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904326)

I agree entirely. I would like to add to your point (if I may). One area where a command line owns over GUIs (and will for quite some time) is usability over a slow link. My employer's network has many sites that are literally hundreds of miles apart, and frequently unmanned. We have dialup modems hooked into console servers should we lose our internet link to these facilities. They're a little choppy, but they work. I can not imagine being able to run a GUI of any sort over that kind of connection. I don't wish IOS had a graphical way to set things up, in fact I'm glad it doesn't.

Re:A prerequisite (1)

edunbar93 (141167) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904115)

If Cisco plans to "invade" homes, they'll have to drop their IOS crap. Or at least develop a graphical management system.

If you'd remove your head from your ass for just a moment and google for "Cisco SOHO", you would find a myriad of devices like the Cisco SOHO 71, Cisco SOHO 90, Cisco 300, and many more that provide a web-based user interface.

They've been doing this for years too.

What self-respecting Linux geeks want a router GUI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904378)

I find this comment hilarious and unbearably ironic. Especially considering the source, a bunch of Linux geeks who love nothing more than to wax on for hours about how they changed two lines of kernel code and re-compiled it themselves? Apparently for those code-tweaking folks, this:

!
interface fastethernet0/1
  ip address 192.168.0.1 255.255.255.0
  ip nat inside
!
interface FastEthernet0/0
  ip address 52.123.49.52 255.255.255.0
  ip nat outside
!
ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 52.123.49.1
ip nat source-list 1 pool outside overload
ip nat pool outside 52.123.49.52 52.123.49.52 netmask 255.255.255.0
access-list 1 permit 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.255

is just too damn complicated, and we need a GUI to configure our routers. To borrow a phrase from the Linux lovers' handbook, you don't deserve anything as great as IOS. Just go buy a Mac, you loser!

Re:A prerequisite (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904669)

i'm more worried that they will take code from their aquisition of scientific atlanta. SA DVR boxes have the single worst interface i have ever used. it buffers inputs for tens of seconds when it gets backed up (for no apparant reason) and shows no on-screen indication that it has recieved an input signal other than by performing the action some hundreds of milliseconds later. it feels like remote desktop over 56k.

honestly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903723)

some skeptics say speaking to the consumer is simply not in Cisco's genes

does that even mean anything? Oh, wait, yes it does: it means they haven't, they aren't, and they won't. Speaking to the consumer isn't in the utility companies' genes either, and yet somehow we're all getting our electricity and Internet connection... Find a need and fill it, I always say.

Re:honestly (1)

3-State Bit (225583) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903758)

Exactly! Anyway, Cisco does just fine in speaking with consumers: who doesn't remember the national TV spots? "Cisco, we're the Dot in dot com." Or was that Sun? Well it's not Microsoft, that's for sure.

welcome to our cisco overlords (3, Insightful)

aggles (775392) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903755)

The home networking scene is a mess! There are overlapping wireless frequencies everywhere and plenty of security holes. Linksys has done well, but so much more is possible. How about for starters; whole-property roaming coverage, media server hooked to my stereo, backup storage, a bot system to handle my chores, multi-channel video capture, an inbound VPN listener for access into my home network while out and about, and a personal Web server. I welcome cisco into my home if it can give me these things - and it can. However, I am a consumer and demand much from my sources of technology - including transparency.

Cisco not consumer oriented (3, Insightful)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904323)

Let's see what Cisco has done with one of their product lines - the venerable WRT54G. They've taken the G, then the GS, chopped the RAM, chopped the flash, installed an OS that can't be readily enhanced (and charges a royalty), released a buggy-as-all-getout software image, and raised the price. Linksys has sold dozens of these things by making a good product in the consumer space, then Cisco [apparently] came in and screwed up the company. I've recommended hundreds of these over the past few years and that's been thoroughly squelched.

Don't get me wrong, I love a 3560 switch as much as the next guy, but their success in the technology aisle at Staples is a stinker.

Re:welcome to our cisco overlords (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904334)

likely as a consumer you will also demand free software fixes for the bugs in the products you already paid for. Unfortunately this doesn't sit well with the cisco revenue model.

Ooh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14903845)

It's an eNeticon Appliance! =P

Must change their branding. (5, Insightful)

RunFatBoy.net (960072) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903846)

Cisco obviously has the technology, it's the marketing that needs to change. I guarantee that my mother would have trouble identifying Cisco's core technology and even if she knew of their domain, would have trouble identifying them as a brand she should look for at Best Buy. -- Jim http://www.runfatboy.net/ [runfatboy.net]

Re:Must change their branding. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904181)

Brand isn't as important when you deal with a service (hardware, software and online services = a service, i.e iTunes, iPod) as is when you sell an individual piece of hardware. I don't think Cisco cares if their name is known when they sell into the SP market and sell an end to end solution. Today they sell core tech in the backbone of many carrier and cable networks and don't care if the consumer knows about it. The same can be extended to end devices that are at the end of the network. Just like my Treo says Verizon on it (as a consumer I don't care who makes the Treo, it's the carrier and the content that matters), I think Cisco will not care if they sell home networking devices, set top boxes that say Comcast and Time Warner.

Game blackout areas (3, Interesting)

Not_Wiggins (686627) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903877)

I know it is just a nit-pick, but using the example of video conferencing with friends that are so far away made me think about game broadcast blackout areas. I mean, how can I watch a football game with friends across the country if they're not "allowed" to watch the game anyway?

Or, more to the point... will the NFL/MPAA/[insert anti-digital copying lobby] go after this device since, to get around said blackout, I could point it at my TV and share the experience with said friends?

They'd better ditch their "relicensing" scam then (4, Insightful)

mattbee (17533) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903888)

(previously on Slashdot... [slashdot.org] ) Non-business customers won't tolerate the scam that Cisco make you go through when buying second-hand kit -- that they make sure you "relicense" the embedded software to the new owner when selling on your old kit (the software that's completely irrelevant to anything other than the hardware they sold it with). The list price of a "relicense" is usually 60-90% of the original hardware cost ... Cisco say they're only getting what's due to them but it's just rather dubious attempt at control over a legitimate after-market.

I'm not sure that the business culture that produced this kind of revenue scraping is going to know how to sell to the general public.

Re:They'd better ditch their "relicensing" scam th (2, Insightful)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904681)

it's perfectly legitimate assuming part of the purchase involves signing some sort of actual pen and paper contract licensing the software. unlike most EULA's which tend to only stand up in court along the lines of "if you do x we will do y" and the buyer suing over action y, if you sign a contract that the license is non-transferable and the software is licensed not sold then you have no right to transfer the license.

Cisco has no idea how to.. (0, Troll)

BlueBoxSW.com (745855) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903936)

Cisco has no idea how to research, design, build and mart consumer focused electronics. It's not as easy as having a bunch of pocket protectors and a corporate sales force.

They would be better off coming up with their own brand of soda.

Home Invasion? (1)

Elitist_Phoenix (808424) | more than 8 years ago | (#14903950)

It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will consume the captive Earthmen or merely enslave them. One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; the electrons will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new silcon overlords.

Chamber has 3 TiVos - Guess what... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904118)

"...John Chambers himself keeps three TiVos in his home, while Cisco senior VP Mike Volpi was a TiVo beta tester."

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11768175/site/newsweek/ [msn.com]

Isn't it obvious that TiVo with its industry best less than 1 percent churn rate, friendly UI, and increasing value propostition is the front end of Cisco's hardware pipe to the house?

That's not home invasion... (2, Funny)

edunbar93 (141167) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904138)

I don't know about the states, but around here when we say "home invasion", we mean "Kick in the door and beat the crap out of the residents so we can take their stuff."

It's a term they use in the criminal code [justice.gc.ca] too; it's not slang.

Re:That's not home invasion... (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904710)

here in the states it is the same except replace "take their stuff" with "rape and or murder them"

Why be a victim? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904801)

That's funny, around where I live, there's hardly any home invasions when anyone is at home. For real, there's crime of course but home invasions are almost non existent. the only cases I hear about are illegal alien drug dealers invading the places of other illegal alien drug dealers. who cares about those people??

    It's not illegal to use deadly force here if you are threatened inside your home, you aren't compelled into instant victim hood like it is in the UK. Criminals know this here. Say what ya want about other sucky things about the US, but when it comes to criminals inside your house, we have (mostly) a system that works for people who choose to take advantage of it. others, oh well..no cure for stupidity..

  In the US, if you are a "professional victim", it is almost entirely your own fault because of your personal "victim" mindset and where you choose to live and how you act. You can live in la la la fantasy land where nothing bad happens, OR, choose to live in reality and take apprpriate and sober and reasonable precautions.

Caveat: if you live in Chicago or NYC or DC or some other weird foreign place like that that isn't really any part of the "real" USA you could very well become a victim inside your own home. Tough titties for YOU then, no sympathy.
That's YOUR call, not society's call, if you voluntarily give up your nads and brains to live some place "trendy". It's all about choices.. there's crime everywhere, no one disputes this, just some places allow potential victims to actually resist crime and criminals and fight back, because the locals fully realise that cops can't be babysitting you 24/7...

And no, I really don't want to hear anything about some poor rapist or other home invader who got shot, too bad, he deserved it. Once you are inside the home, it makes perfect sense to assume the worst from the criminal and act accordingly. Anything else is totally illogical. Places that don't allow people to resist criminals, and where criminals rights inside your home trump yours, are criminal police states, live there at your own peril and take your beating or rape like a true subservient police state slave should, and be damn proud how civilized you are.

Me, I enjoy being a bit more barbaric and free. Choices. I'll take a higher risk quotient for more freedom.

If Cisco wants to be in every home (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14904166)

Broadband speed and availability better be cheap. Yes, I want 10Mbits up and down for $19.95 a month (unlimited).

Take your place in the queue, mate (3, Interesting)

FishandChips (695645) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904232)

Jeez, it must be tough being the super-successful CEO of a super-successful company. You come up with this great idea to invade people's living-rooms - why bother to be asked in? - and then learn that you'll have to take your place in the queue. A few other guys are eager to knock the door down and start lifting Joe Sixpack's wallet: Microsoft, Apple, Intel, AMD, Sony, Samsung, AOL Time-Warner, Google, Amazon, a dozen telcos, a couple of dozen huge media combines like NI, several hundred ISPs, a clutch of VOIP outfits, Blockbuster, Hollywood, the music industry, major retail chains, and a few thousand internet fraud artists and phishing rings. One at a time boys!

I guess this is some kind of bullshit bubble. There aren't enough living-rooms to go round to service this lot even once, and when folks discover that the "living-room of the future" offers the same crap TV as today except with overpriced and murky video-conferencing, they are likely to fit a few new locks on the door and get out the big scissors when they see Mr Suit's fingers straying towards their wallet again. Me, I'm going to stay inside and watch a couple of dozen CEOs brawling and shouting on the lawn outside.

Quit piddling around... (-1, Offtopic)

Hosiah (849792) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904448)

If you're hot to develop the next Big Thing in appliances connected to the web, it's time to look at: sexbots. Take one blow-up vinyl doll, add some light machinery (with low-trigger pressure cutoffs for safety sake), screens for faces (to show your partner's webcam shot, natch), and controls which can be operated wirelessly. The interface should be simple enough to work from a cellphone and movements sequences should be recordable.

There's already a slew of gizmos out there to help couples feel intimately close when they're a world apart (here's another one [mit.edu] ); this would just be the final piece of the puzzle. All it is is cybersex with moving parts - message with *both* hands on the keyboard for a change. You'd be a millionaire, there'd be fewer wars because nobody would come out of their apartments for weeks, and the human race would gradually become extinct.

But It's my Alma Mater... (1)

threedognit3 (854836) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904555)

Oh shit... Just another way to sucker in those college grads who paid many thousands of dollars for their education...only to repay it back at minimum payments. The person in the cubicle next to me has a student loan of $43K and is haveing a very hard time of it. They're close to living in their car only because their parents live on the east coast and they don't want to move back. Most of the graduates are chipping in to buy cable at one person's apartment, just so they can say they have high speed internet. This is aimed at the jocks..who didn't have any brain away. This is getting so crazy. I pity the fool.

Foremost reason Cisco will flub (2, Funny)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904565)

comcast-sub03225697>
Password:
comcast-sub03225697#set vod op adult yes
comcast-sub03225697#set vod channel 561 on
comcast-sub03225697#set vod purchase hotsexynudenurses-ep1 confirm

I don't see them being too swift on the need for enabling one-handed remote use among today's cable and satellite users. Sort of like Cisco writing Windows. It would be like using Linux to surf for pr0n. Oh, wait...

Cisco home invasion? (2, Funny)

sharkey (16670) | more than 8 years ago | (#14904657)

Anyone else have visions of a $2000 4MB Flash PCMCIA card inserted rectally in the privacy of one's own kitchen?
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