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Sony's PS3 Strategy Brilliant or Insane?

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the i'm-hedging-towards-crazy dept.

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1up's Jeremy Parish has a piece wondering out loud about the sanity of Sony's PS3 strategy. From the article: "The veil of mystery surrounding the PS3 is downright maddening, and a little worrying. Consider that by March 2000, the company had already set the PlayStation 2's October 26th release date in stone. Yet here in March 2006, Sony has only been willing to commit to a 'spring 2006' launch for its latest console. Less than ten days from winter's end and gamers are left scraping together scraps of conflicting information trickling from the company's various divisions to try and get a sense of the bigger picture." We may find out which side of the coin they're on tomorrow; The current rumour is there will be some sort of big announcement about Sony's next-gen console on the 15th.

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I vote for "Non-existant" (5, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915689)

So far their "strategy" has been about as vague as their hardware. I'll comment when I can actually SEE either.

-Eric

Re:I vote for "Non-existant" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14916472)

I do not know the strategy, therefore, it does not exist.

Re:I vote for "Non-existant" (1)

Xymor (943922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916584)

Alhtough Sony is kinda known for their pre-release Hype, They are a long time in the market, Playstation brand is over 10 years old and MS is very fresh in business. I can't help thinking that Sony and Nintendo know what there are doing.

Re:I vote for "Non-existant" (1)

GameEngineer (961102) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916902)

"Alhtough Sony is kinda known for their pre-release Hype"

What a stupid comment.

Nintendo is kinda known for their pre-release Hype.
Microsoft is kinda known for their pre-release Hype.
Apple is kinda known for their pre-release Hype.
  is kinda known for their pre-release Hype.
  is kinda known for their pre-release Hype.
  is kinda known for their pre-release Hype. ...

Could be the end of playstation... (0, Troll)

those.numbers (960432) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915718)

Between the awesome lead XBox 360 has been able to gain given its earlier release date, this may be the end of Playstation. The next-gen Playstation sounds like it is a potentially superior product. But on one side, there's XBox 360 and the potential release of Halo 3. On the other side, theres Nintendo Revolution and its very unique controller. If Playstation doesn't find something to set it apart from these other two consoles, I believe Playstation's days are numbered.

Re:Could be the end of playstation... (1)

menor (112914) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915826)

The 360 has a lead, yes, but it was far less than awesome.
Sony could be holding back to make sure they were actually ready, rather than follow MicroSoft's strategy of getting out the door as quick as possible, which lead to few original games, lousy ports, buggy hardware, and a serious lack of support for their previous generations' releases.

Re:Could be the end of playstation... (4, Insightful)

jusdisgi (617863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916287)

Between the awesome lead XBox 360 has been able to gain given its earlier release date, this may be the end of Playstation. The next-gen Playstation sounds like it is a potentially superior product. But on one side, there's XBox 360 and the potential release of Halo 3. On the other side, theres Nintendo Revolution and its very unique controller. If Playstation doesn't find something to set it apart from these other two consoles, I believe Playstation's days are numbered.

Class excercise:

1)Replace every instance of "xbox 360" with "dreamcast."
2)Replace every instance of "revolution" with "gamecube."
3)Replace game references with similar titles available for dreamcast just prior to PS2 launch.
4)Go searching for the resultant string in the archives of gamer forums and see how many matches you can come up with.

Re:Could be the end of playstation... (1)

Loadmaster (720754) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916485)

The problem with your analogy is that Microsoft is on a little more stable financial footing than Sega was. I'm not agreeing with the OP, but this Xbox 360 = Dreamcast is just silly since MS != Sega.

Swi

Re:Could be the end of playstation... (1)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916668)

The problem with your analogy is that Microsoft is on a little more stable financial footing than Sega was.

It's not an analogy. He's pointing out a fill-in-the-blank troll. (and Netcraft says my Xbox 360 takes 17 minutes to copy a file)

Re:Could be the end of playstation... (2, Insightful)

jusdisgi (617863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916834)

True enough...MS is a lot stronger competitor than Sega was with the DC. And the other reply to you is correct; my primary objective was to point out the foolishness of the GP saying "this looks like the end of the playstation." I mean, the PS2 is still the top-selling console by a huge margin....it seems at the very least a bit counterintuitive to be reading Sony's eulogy.

But also, I think it is worth noting some of the parallels. The biggest one is failure in Japan....consoles (historically) just flat don't do well when the Japanese don't buy them in large numbers.

And then of course there's the counterpoint to the ridiculous conclusion drawn by the author of this article. He says:

But if Sony's really hoping to make Dreamcast 2.0 a reality, now would be a very good time to change tactics. Relying on obfuscation and hype is only likely to work once, especially for gamers who believed tall promises about the PS2 Emotion Engine's ability to present the most impressive game worlds imaginable but actually received a system only moderately more powerful than the Dreamcast.

This strikes me as completely ass-backwards. After all, it did completely annihilate the DC. Which is to say that a "moderately more powerful" system was plenty. Is this author suggesting that everyone should have just bought the Dreamcast? Or is he suggesting that this time, knowing that the PS2 was only a bit more powerful than the DC, that gamers won't be "fooled again" and will just buy the 360? None of that sounds reasonable to me. It seems to me that a gamer who was looking at history would say to himself, "Well, the last time Sony brought its console out later and said it'd be faster....it was only a bit faster, but the competing product was stone-dead within a couple months. I probably ought to hold out for the Sony console, lest my 360 lose dev support overnight."

Now, obviously, that's not going to happen; MS was willing to buy game developers left and right to get game support for the first Xbox, so even in the worst case they can do that again. And they aren't likely to have to anyway. But my point is that it seems silly to me to suggest that bringing out a faster, better console later "won't work again" because last time it wasn't faster enough. Right?

Re:Could be the end of playstation... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917125)

Only slightly. Even a megacorp can't allow a division to essentially throw money out of the window infinitely. If the leaders don't think the game division has a chance at becoming profitable it might get the axe. Or at least strict spending limits, which could already severely damage their plans.

Both! (4, Funny)

zenmojodaddy (754377) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915731)

I call it INSILLIANT!

Re:Both! (1)

JohnnyLocust (855742) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916943)

Let's see.... Sony doing brilliant marketing? Not in this decade. PSP - crap UMD - No UMD writable, little support from the movie inustry MiniDisc - all but killed off (SonicStage - cringe) And do I have to bring up the Root Kit?

They're pushing the limits! (0, Flamebait)

Hitto (913085) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915763)

Sony have wowed the world over with the PSX, then they had a few... Unfortunate turns of events with the PS2. But they realized one thing : just as in music and film, it's not the actual content that sells, but the hype and marketing!

We have had countless reports on how shittily designed the PS2 was. The only console we had to turn upside-down to have it read disks!

So now, they're combining an awful pre-launch, with a lame try at "yawn, we're going to try to copy xbox live and the revolution download system, but it will be crap", and the "oh yeah, it's gonna be so expensive you'll sell us your unborn children's souls!", I just think that Kutaragi has become arrogant, as much as Yamauchi was in the SNES heyday.

Remember, it won't be a success because of the hardware specs, or the games, or anything. It will be a HUGE success because hordes of brain-dead morons who actually find the "cheese you can listen to" ads funny, will line up and get ready to buy it. You think these people care about DRM or blu-ray?

ONLY MARKETING SELLS!

Re:They're pushing the limits! (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915816)

Unfortunate turns of events with the PS2. But they realized one thing : just as in music and film, it's not the actual content that sells, but the hype and marketing!

Um, were you paying attention for the last five years?

It's clearly the content that sells, *not* the hype.

Re:They're pushing the limits! (1)

nb caffeine (448698) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916261)

Yeah, how do you sell hype? "Ill take one bag of hype please."

I own a DS, Dreamcast, n64, ps2, xbox, and 360. I love my 360 more than all the rest put together (other than maybe the portable GBA RPGS on the ds:) Maybe I'm a fan boy, but the 360 kicks some ass. Too bad theres not more games. Once forza hits for the 360, its all over :)

Re:They're pushing the limits! (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916080)

Did you see the E3 keynote speeches for MS and Sony? (they're floating around torrent sites) The MS speech was pure marketing bollocks and the Sony speech was technobabble bliss. I don't think the MS BS riled up anybody's panties.

Re:They're pushing the limits! (1)

Kenshin (43036) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916137)

We have had countless reports on how shittily designed the PS2 was. The only console we had to turn upside-down to have it read disks!

I've never heard of anyone turning their PS2 upside-down to read discs. My PS1, on the other hand...you had to turn it upside-down, on its side, or on some weird angle, until you found the perfect reading angle in order to get it to work.

Anyway, Sony's not alone in manufacturing shittyness. My brother's Xbox's power supply blew shortly after the warranty expired. Quite common, I've been told. They wanted $150 CDN (about $130 US) to fix it. THIS is why I fully-support external power supplies, or "wall-warts" as some people call them: if it dies, you can easily replace it for around $20.

Re:They're pushing the limits! (1)

jusdisgi (617863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916355)

We have had countless reports on how shittily designed the PS2 was. The only console we had to turn upside-down to have it read disks!

We have had countless reports on how shittily designed the Xbox 360 was. The only console for which we had to suspend the power supply from a string to keep it from overheating!

And by the way....that was the classic problem of the PSX, not PS2. The PS2 was more notorious for just giving random read failures. But consoles in general have always been horrendously unreliable...ever blow into your NES? I'm on my second PS2 right now, and my roommate is on his second Xbox (not 360).

Re:They're pushing the limits! (-1, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916828)

I'm waiting for the PS3 because everything I've read says that it's going to be incredible, and the XBox 360 is really unimpressive. I don't know what ads or hype you're talking about, and I've never heard the "turn it upside down" FUD you're trying to spread. I just want a really good console, so I'm waiting for the PS3. You may want to turn off your TV, and turn on your brain.

Days are Numbered (5, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915781)

No matter how brilliant they may be, or how badly they screw up, I wouldnt expect this to be the end of the PS. Fanboy support alone should get them near at least a break even point. I think their biggest threat these days would be the hype over the xbox360. If MS can get a major hardware volume release, combined with a couple of good games just before Sony deploys they should be able to slap down the Sony marketing a bit.

In any case, it should be interesting.

Problem = BluRay (5, Insightful)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915797)

The BR drive is slowly killing the PS3. Sony chose to push their new format rather than do what is good for the gamer.

This "poor man's blu-ray" will not fit into any market. Home theater enthusiasts will buy a professional HD player and the average gamer could care less.

What is making this decision so horrible is the fact that these Blu-Ray drives will push the PS3 to around double the price of the 360 even when selling at a considerable loss. The Cell processor, while powerful, in the real world doesn't have much on 3 3.2 ghz processors (besides a lot of $$$). Sony has an advantage over Microsoft in terms of "branding," but Sony has made a ton of poor architectural decisions.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915871)

how about you actually wait and see the ps3 in action.

wait... let me see. we dont have the absolute final specifications for the ps3, blu ray, or the cell either. they could very well have thrown in another 3 cell chips into the final console. fact is, we dont know yet. thats partially the point of TFA, why dont you calm down and wait to see how "poorly" the ps3 will be before you condemn it.

launching after the x360, im sure r&d at sony has sat down and ripped open and performed some testing against 360 at some point to ensure that the ps3 will have some form of advantage over it. whether its implemented or not, i cant say... but it would be bad business on sonys part to not have sized up their competition.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915976)

"wait... let me see. we dont have the absolute final specifications for the ps3, blu ray, or the cell either."

That's a *plus* ?

Boy are some gamers easily satiated.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

apoc06 (853263) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916152)

no, im just pointing out that you cant complain about something you dont have yet; you cant complain about something that may arrive in a completely different form from what was expected.

for better or worse... we dont know yet. until we know which, how can everyone blindly assume its worse? from track record? sonys trackrecord has been hit and miss i admit. who knows? they could have a strikeout or a homerun, we wont know until release day for sure.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

metrunecs (956777) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916512)

That's exactly why we can complain. Anyway, I'm happy to go home to my 360 every night and actually play some very good games (GRAW currently).

Re:Problem = BluRay (2, Insightful)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916040)

Don't underestimate the nationalism of Japan. They've snubbed 2 generations of Xbox now and will gobble up the PS3 even if it's the same price as a computer. PS2 is perhaps the sole reason the DVD platform took off worldwide as the console was the cheapest player on the market at the time. Even if Sony takes a loss per unit on its consoles they can chalk it up as an investment in licensing of their new distribution medium.

I'm not saying Sony can do no wrong (duh.. rootkits) but I think you're underestimating them. I think they have better than a 50/50 chance vs. Xbox due to their stranglehold on Asia.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

pubjames (468013) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916122)

Don't underestimate the nationalism of Japan.

Are you talking about the same Japan that loves the iPod?

It's got nothing to do with nationalism. The US market is different to the Japanese one. Microsoft didn't get that at all with the XBox, they're understanding it but still not succeeding with the 360.

Re:Problem = BluRay (4, Insightful)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916321)

And even if you go with the nationalism aspect, you still have a little Japanese called Nintendo. What is absolutely insane is that people are discounting the #2 worldwide company in their strongest market for... why? I can't think of any reason why this should be considered MS v. Sony, despite all the marketing and everyone's dogged insistence that it is because everyone says so.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916399)

Short term memory, perhaps. Even Nintendo has given up on their Gamecube so we see them in a handheld battle with Sony if not the console battle. I don't know if it's fair to call Nintendo #2 in the console wars since Xbox and Sony outsold them big time. Many see the Revolution, a very risky endeavour, as Nintendo's possible last gasp in the console biz.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916504)

in a handheld battle with Sony if not the console battle

Not much of a battle. The DS is decimating the PSP right now, espsecially with all the new colors. I'm at work and can't get to the sites that have the stats (therefore no link), but I know the PSP has been way outsold right now and game for game the DS has a massive lead.

Re:Problem = BluRay (3, Interesting)

Miraba (846588) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916535)

I don't know if it's fair to call Nintendo #2 in the console wars since Xbox and Sony outsold them big time.

In the USA. Overall, Nintendo actually sold slightly more consoles than MS. Don't discount how well they do in Japan.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

GameEngineer (961102) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916545)

"in the console wars since Xbox and Sony outsold them big time"

What???

Yes Sony outsold Nintendo by about 5 to 1.

Microsoft lost five billion dollars just to sell the same number of systems worldwide as Nintendo - some 23 million each. Although the GameCube's lead over the Xbox will continue to grow since the Xbox has been pulled from the market.

"possible last gasp"

Right...

Nintendo looks to have a very strong chance of winning Japan with the Revolution and developer support for the system is massive from console dev houses.

last gasp...heh

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917100)

Microsoft lost five billion dollars just to sell the same number of systems worldwide as Nintendo

Walmart bought the property of a local Zellers not far from my house. They closed down the Zellers and opened their own store. The store is not profitable on its own but it serves to weaken the competition. Money spent by Microsoft is not lost, it's an investment.

Nintendo looks to have a very strong chance of winning Japan with the Revolution and developer support for the system is massive from console dev houses.

How successful were the Power Pad and the Power Glove? Nintendo is once again banking on the assumption that people enjoy flailing around in their living rooms. I think their controller is totally brilliant but that doesn't mean I'll enjoy using it. They're taking a huge risk that maybe nobody will like, or maybe nobody can live without. All I know is there's Apple and PC, Intel and AMD, PSP and Gameboy - so maybe 3 consoles in competition is one more than the market can bear.

Re:Problem = BluRay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14917177)

But how much has the competition been weakened, really? Their real competition is Sony, not Nintendo, and PS2's broken 10^8, with Microsoft lagging far behind - between 20 and 30 million.

Plus, Nintendo didn't make the Power Glove, and all reports indicate that nobody's gonna be doing much "flailing" with the RevCon.

Re:Problem = BluRay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14917202)

How successful were the Power Pad and the Power Glove? Nintendo is once again banking on the assumption that people enjoy flailing around in their living rooms.

Not very. But this controller has more in common with the light guns of yore, and in the context of using it to control FPSes, I'm sure I saw the press talking about resting it on a knee.

Besides, Sony demonstrated with the EyeToy that a fair number of people do enjoy flailing around in their living rooms. :P
A more flexible controller, that can apply the same principles to conventional games, might well be a success.

Re:Problem = BluRay (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14916043)

Mods check post history.

Known paid for Microsoft astroturfer.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916297)

"What is making this decision so horrible is the fact that these Blu-Ray drives will push the PS3 to around double the price of the 360 even when selling at a considerable loss."

I somewhat agree. I think if Sony merely had a way of loading regular DVDs faster (IE low to non-existent load times) then they'd have something. Perhaps two lasers. Speeding up the spin seems to do suprisingly little these days.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916393)

What is making this decision so horrible is the fact that these Blu-Ray drives will push the PS3 to around double the price of the 360 even when selling at a considerable loss.

I think that what you're going to find is that the reason BluRay players are so expensive is that many of them will have a Cell in them. Since the PS3 already has all that equipment in it, the BluRay won't add much to the cost, and the PS3 will be cheaper than everybody predicted.

Regardless of how much it costs to build, there's no way the PS3 ships at a higher price than the 360. Sony just isn't that stupid.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

jusdisgi (617863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916949)

Regardless of how much it costs to build, there's no way the PS3 ships at a higher price than the 360. Sony just isn't that stupid.

Really? That's odd....because the launch prices of their first two consoles were dramatically higher than any of the competing products available at the time. The Dreamcast cost less than half what a PS2 cost on the PS2 launch date. Are you suggesting that Sony was "stupid" in their launch plans for the two most successful consoles in history? And that they've gotten smarter since? Gee...I hope not.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917076)

That's odd....because the launch prices of their first two consoles were dramatically higher than any of the competing products available at the time.

I wonder how old you are...

Sony undercut Saturn by $100, and there were all sorts of accusations of dumping, etc.. when the playstation came out.

Check your history. You're wrong.

Re:Problem = BluRay (0, Flamebait)

GameEngineer (961102) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916394)

Wow.

What is the point of going over the top with your attempt to slam the PS3?

You would think Microsoft could afford better, and more effectively subtle, marketing talking points.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916618)

You're right - the PS3 isn't about games. It's Sony's attempt to use their current market lead in the console market to force Blu-Ray players out into the public.

The PS3 is an attempt to get Blu-Ray players into people's houses, disguised as game consoles. Everything in their business plan seems to be based on "winning" the next media war. If they "win" with the PS3, they suddenly have an install base of Blu-Ray players. From there, they can start selling licenses to produce Blu-Ray content.

I've heard nothing about launch games for the PS3. I have had some rumors about what the launch movies will be, though...

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

GameEngineer (961102) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916740)

"I've heard nothing about launch games for the PS3."

Because you didn't bother to listen?

Motorstorm
Lair
Warhawk
I-8 - forget what the official title is now
Heavenly Sword

Were the italics meant to convey a feeling of exasperation?

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916860)

I've never heard of any of those games. At all. And searching for them got essentially minor preview fluff, no information about what they actually are at all - mostly on minor Sony fanboy-sites, which I don't bother following.

There's no hype about the PS3, for good reason. There's no launch date. There's no big game for it. There's no must-own game for the PS3.

The PS3 is intended to get Blu-Ray players into people's houses and that's it. It's a market grab first, a game console as an added feature.

Re:Problem = BluRay (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14917188)

There's no big game for it. There's no must-own game for the PS3.

You may have accidentally overlooked a little something that goes by the name of Metal Gear Solid 4.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

Pranadevil2k (687232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917228)

There is an unconfirmed North American game release on April 30th, and 3 more on June 1st.

You can browse this site for a list of PS3 games:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps3/ [gamefaqs.com]

Many games are still unconfirmed or haven't gotten final titles yet, though.

There are several games to look forward to anyway. Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, the innevitable Final Fantasy (XIII now I think) game...

The trouble is if they have too many franchised games in their lineup, people will complain that the games are nothing but sequals and ports. But if they don't have any names gamers know and love, people will complain that the system has no good games irregardless of the quality of the games they're unfamiliar with.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

jusdisgi (617863) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917080)

You're right - the PS3 isn't about games. It's Sony's attempt to use their current market lead in the console market to force Blu-Ray players out into the public.

Right.....Sony's going to cannibalise their most profitable business (selling video games) just to get a tiny lead in a commodity market (selling video players) where they could, maybe, if they play their cards right, make a tenth as much money. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Re:Problem = BluRay (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917206)

Where did I say they were planning on cannibalizing anything?

Sony has no intention of cannibalizing their game market. From their view, they already own it, and it's a fore-gone conclusion that they'll sell millions of PS3s. So their plan is to continue to dominate the console market, and use that dominance to force Blu-Ray players out into the public.

It's the same strategy Microsoft has been using to try and make Windows Media the perferred media format - use their current OS dominance to make sure everyone has a Windows Media player. Same concept - take the current dominance in the console, and bundle a Blu-Ray player with their next console. The plan is to keep the current game market and add a Blu-Ray market through it. Not swap one for the other.

The question is, then, can they do it? Can they force Blu-Ray into people's houses through the PS3? Or will they have waited too long, and lose the console battles to the XBox360 or the Nintendo Revolution?

Neither Brilliant nor Insane (4, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915803)

It is simply inevitable.

All Sony has to do is turn out a powerful console equivalent to the xbox360 and sell it at the same price the xbox360 was at during release (make no mistake, this was on average $800+ after the console plus all the force-bundled crap) and they're set. Sony has 2 generations of backwards compatibility to ride on, games coming out still for the PS2 (see Final Fantasy XII, the be-all and end-all of console moving franchises,) and the fact that Playstation is still a very powerful brand.

The XBOX360's lead time has proven to be little advantage, as Microsoft seems to have lost in Japan entirely as a result of not having crap for games available, and is having supply issues abroad. 6 months will not make the xbox360 any better unless better games come out for it, and they don't have any console-moving titles coming out save Halo 3, and that won't help them in Japan.

FF can't touch Zelda or Halo in the USA (2, Funny)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915882)

"see Final Fantasy XII, the be-all and end-all of console moving franchises"

Complete BS. Not many at all care in the states about the FF series. I've seen about 2 billion Halo LAN parties - I've never seen a FF lan party.

Zelda/Mario single handedly kept the Gamecube in the black.

Re:FF can't touch Zelda or Halo in the USA (1)

the Brightside (945745) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916121)

*sigh* Unless you're playing FFXI, Final Fantasy does not have a multiplayer component. Which is the whole purpose of LAN parties. How about you list every other console RPG ever made, and let us know how many LAN parties you've seen for those? And how LAN parties are the ultimate determination of every franchise ever?

Re:FF can't touch Zelda or Halo in the USA (1)

tukkayoot (528280) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916516)

*sigh* Unless you're playing FFXI, Final Fantasy does not have a multiplayer component. Which is the whole purpose of LAN parties. How about you list every other console RPG ever made, and let us know how many LAN parties you've seen for those? And how LAN parties are the ultimate determination of every franchise ever?

Regardless, Final Fantasy is not the "end all and be all" of anything. Halo hasn't been around as long as Final Fantasy so it has a more limited track record, but so far, in terms of sales it's been at least as successful as the best selling Final Fantasy releases, if you compare them on a title-by-title basis.

Re:FF can't touch Zelda or Halo in the USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14917004)

The OP is correct about Final Fantasy being able to move consoles in Japan. It's the primary reason the PlayStation took off over the far-superior N64 and Dreamcast - Squaresoft moved Final Fantasy to the PlayStation. Enix moved DragonQuest to the PlayStation. So the PlayStation won in Japan. Because it won in Japan, it won in the US because many manufactorers were already supporting the PlayStation in Japan, and therefore supported it in the US over the superior Dreamcast and N64.

Likewise, the PlayStation 2 won over the far-superior GameCube and XBox because Final Fantasy and DragonQuest were released on the PS2. So, again, the PS2 won in Japan, and managed to use that victory to influence the US market. Since there were more "A-class" games on the PS2 (because there were more PS2s in Japan, and therefore more development for it) the PS2 won again, despite being the worst console out of the three.

Final Fantasy doesn't have the power to move consoles in the US. The only people who play Final Fantasy in the US are the emo/goth/Japanophile types, who manage to overlook it being an insanely shitty RPG (no, you CAN'T effect the story, it's all about the battles!). But the side-effect of Final Fantasy and DragonQuest managing to decide the dominant console in Japan carries over to the US.

Here's hoping Square-Enix moves Final Fantasy over to the Revolution - then it will be a guarenteed winner.

Announcement (5, Funny)

RealErmine (621439) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915827)

The big announcement of course being that Sony is skipping the Playstation 3, ditching the Cell and going right to Playstation 4 which is powered purely by marketing.

Re:Announcement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14917261)

Yes, and the only game will be Duke Nukem Never.

Re:Announcement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14917387)

I thought the PS4 was going to be powered by a tiny clone of Duke Nukem, who runs around on a little hampster wheel Forever :)

Re:Announcement (1)

Crash Culligan (227354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917393)

The big announcement of course being that Sony is skipping the Playstation 3, ditching the Cell and going right to Playstation 4 which is powered purely by marketing.

Powered purely by marketing...? So, what? It's not going to plug into the wall, and will instead have a bullshit-combusting turbine attached to it? Incredibly powerful and environmentally friendly a console as it might be, I don't want my apartment to smell like a burning septic tank!

Insanity (4, Insightful)

thefirelane (586885) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915867)

This sums it up nicely, we'll know which it is only after the release

Bruce Feirstein:
The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.

Article misses the obvious explanation (5, Insightful)

Andy_R (114137) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915878)

Sony have known for a long time that the Xbox 360 would be first to market. Rather than watch their potential customers make a huge investment in a competing system they are obviously going to do whatever it takes to make buyers wait for the PS3, which means constantly dangling the carrot of a possible huge announcement in the near future infront of the gaming public... which is exactly what they are doing. Hardly 'brilliant' or 'insane', their strategy strikes me more as 'bleeding obvious'.

Re:Article misses the obvious explanation (1)

drewmca (611245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917050)

No one outside of people who read this site and other gamer sites is waiting for the carrot of launch information. When it happens, they might hear about it, but your average gamer does not wait on the edge of their seat for this sort of thing, as you or I might.

In TFA (0, Troll)

irablum (914844) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915906)

since so few of us poster's read the articles, I noticed a throw in at the end of this one that caused major spewage:

"The 360 is proving to do just about everything right while Sony has offered nothing but cryptic promises."

now that's taken out of context, but its not even hyperbole. Its just flat out wrong. The 360 so far has done nothing right except come out first. Lets list the things they did wrong:

1) Under produced so that only 1% of the people who wanted one got one in initial release.
2) Under produced so that only 5% of the people who wanted one got one in the SECOND release.
3) No decent games.
4) that whole "broken" thing where you spent $800+ after waiting forever and it doesn't work. that went over REAL WELL.
5) did I mention that when it came out almost no one actually got one.
6) No decent games.
7) they were Microsoft. but of course, they can't help that.....

Ira

completely moronic (2, Informative)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915957)

1) What was Microsoft supposed to do? Wait until AFTER Christmas to release just to have a few more consoles? It was a business decision to make a select few who got the console early happy rather than make EVERYONE wait. There is no sense in having unused consoles in a warehouse waiting for others to be made.

2) The 360 has set a record for most games sold per console up to this point. There are a TON of games released already with 9.0+ ratings. COD2, PD0, PGR3, GRAW, FNR3, etc. With Elder Scrolls 3 coming out in a week the 360 will have an absolute ton of top-end titles.

3) The console costs $300, you lost all credibility when you claimed almost 3x that. There are a ton fewer broken 360's than PS2's when it hit the market.

Re:completely moronic (1)

Xerxus (899945) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916341)

There are a TON of games released already with 9.0+ ratings. COD2, PD0, PGR3, GRAW, FNR3, etc. With Elder Scrolls 3 coming out in a week the 360 will have an absolute ton of top-end titles.

Game ranking scores [gamerankings.com] ( Averages all the reviews out there)
Call of Duty : 90.1%
GRAW: 89.6%
PGR3 : 88.7%
FNR3 : 86.7%
PD0 : 81.7%

So, basically one game that's +9.0 on average (min 5 reviews). Don't be misleading.
Nobody in their right minds would buy the $300 one which lacks the HDD, so it really costs $400.

Re:completely moronic (1)

b1t r0t (216468) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916613)

There are a TON of games released already with 9.0+ ratings. COD2, PD0, PGR3, GRAW, FNR3, etc. With Elder Scrolls 3 coming out in a week the 360 will have an absolute ton of top-end titles.

Funny how just about every game you mentioned there is a sequel. How does the 360 stack up in the "games without a digit at the end" department?

Re:completely moronic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14916959)

Sure the games were ranked high and are sequels, but have you played them? Are they really worth that much, or is that simply the best that system has to offer? A 9.0 is high, but there are a number of factors that could be worked in there. Content is what pushes a system, but it's a double edged knife when the content is limited by that same system. N64 is a good case in point.

Re:completely moronic (1)

irablum (914844) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917207)

your response number 1 has a question. Here's the answer:

They could have made more. If they were pushing for a christmas release they could have produced enough so that when christmas came around people could actually buy one. If so, I might have bought one for my kids. But when it wasn't possible then, now 3 months later, I probably won't ever buy one, simply because my kids have moved on. Now all they want is a PS3. So, when the PS3 comes out, what, I should buy them a 360 just so they think I'm a jerk right? :)

Ira (non-troll)

Re:In TFA (0, Flamebait)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916041)

"1) Under produced so that only 1% of the people who wanted one got one in initial release.
2) Under produced so that only 5% of the people who wanted one got one in the SECOND release.
3) No decent games.
4) that whole "broken" thing where you spent $800+ after waiting forever and it doesn't work. that went over REAL WELL.
5) did I mention that when it came out almost no one actually got one.
6) No decent games.
7) they were Microsoft. but of course, they can't help that....."

Hahahh. Soooooo Sony won't suffer from ANY of these. None at all. Microsoft at least releases solid information and specifications for their product. I'm going to enjoy when they have to substantiate their claims of the best system ever.

Of course, if it is, I'll eat my hat and buy it. But I'm not impressed by any means, and I own a PSP, DVD player, and several "prosumer" Sony cameras. I may love their released products, but the Playstation team seems to have such an aura of bullshit surrounding them that I can't take them seriously.

Re:In TFA (2, Insightful)

drewmca (611245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917116)

what is a decent game in your opinion? People need to calm the f down and to remember the difference between "I don't like a game" and "it's a bad game". As another poster put it, the games have scored consistently high, remarkably so for a launch. Compare these games to Smugglers Run, Timesplitters, and Kessen that came out with the PS2. Oooh, and Summoner too.

Also, for the poster who said they're all sequels, who cares? You think the PS3 isn't going to have the same issue? Or the Revolution? Any launch is going to have a bunch of sequels because they're proven sellers. There will also be a couple of original games, and usually they aren't much good unless your company's name is Nintendo. But the 360 did have Condemned and Kameo, both of which are new franchises and both of which are pretty darn good games.

I just don't understand it when people have such an agenda when they write about games and consoles. It feels like the cold war, but more ridiculous.

Come on, Honestly. (5, Insightful)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915978)

If I have to read three articles a day about the PS3 until it launches in December or whenever - I'm going to stop reading Slashdot. The fact that there is no news about it means there should be no headlines or articles about it... am I right? Read this submission - it's an story about how we might get an story with substance tomorrow.

There is an article here practically every day that has a headline basically asking "has Sony lost its mind?"

Everybody seems to be missing the fact that the PS2 outsold the 360 in January. Sony does not need to rush to market with the PS3 when there are still some KILLER titles coming out this year. I'm not trying to be a troll, honest, but please stop posting these insufferable articles.

Re:Come on, Honestly. (1)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916526)

"If I have to read three articles a day about the PS3 until it launches in December or whenever - I'm going to stop reading Slashdot. "

No kidding...I am so frigging sick of the ramp-up marketing madness surrounding the consoles...its just plain disgusting. I'll be glad that there's no information on it. It all comes down to the games, now whatever marketing buzz you can generate over your system. Gamers will look at marketing and say "oh cool" but they won't make their buying decision based on that alone, the majority of them may be stupid, but not THAT stupid.

Timing it for vacations? (1)

xxxJonBoyxxx (565205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14915987)

I'd have to say Sony is playing this rather smart. Whether they wanted to or not, they avoided the Christmas 2005 ("Q3/Q4") season, traditionally the biggest hype and buy time of the year. Fortunately for Sony, the XBox360 has been relatively uninspiring so far. Console players are typically kids (or people with lots of free time on their hands), so things like "spring break" and "summer break" are good times to get your marketing message out.

Any advertising is good advertising (3, Insightful)

BecomingLumberg (949374) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916002)

The adage is true. Consider this: Despite the fact that nobody outside of sony has even seen a game run, the PS3 gets more headline coverage than Xbox360, which can be bought today. I believe sony has always wanted a release a year later than microsoft, since they have always made PS3 out to be something 'worth waiting for'... its the same reason your parents get you to be good for Christmas.

My vote is for brilliant. Sony controls the media, so sony controls the market.

Re:Any advertising is good advertising (1)

Pranadevil2k (687232) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917279)

You realize that third party game developers don't work at Sony, right? Anyone in the industry that is working on a PS3 game has seen one running :P

Secrecy A Result Of Dominance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14916009)

There actually is very little about the PS3 that we still don't know about.

Console developers know all that we need to know.
Console gamers know that the same games that made them buy 100+ million PS2s will be there for them on the PS3.

There is an unholy alliance that is going on between console gaming media and xbox fans who both have an interest in trying to play up uncertainty about the PS3. It is a fun spectacle to watch on discussion boards and articles like this one, but it will all be forgotten soon and completely by E3 this year.

Sony has become so dominant in the console market that they are pretty much proceeding along their own timeline completely oblivious to anything or anyone outside of Sony and the large PS3 developer community. They have had a timeline for the PS3 for five years now and there is nothing that is going to change it - except for that couple week hiccup with the BluRay spec being finalized that will probably push the release back a couple weeks into June in Japan.

There is no 'strategy' on Sony's part. The PS2 is obliterating the GameCube, Xbox, and Xbox 360 in the market in all territories. It is outselling the brand new 360 by 2 to 1 in the US this last month. They sold 300k PS2s last month compared to only 160k 360s.

Sony's six year old machine is dominating Microsoft's brand new machine by a wider margin for the each of the past three months. The PS2 is an amazing piece of hardware. God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Burnout Revenge, Resident Evil 4, DQVIII, and now Black.

It's good to be Sony.

Me love me some 360! (3, Interesting)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916150)

While I think the premise is interesting, the article has some really loopy conclusions. First, there seems to be a lot of MS love, considering the author's assertion that Nintendo is now a distant third and the 360 is primed to take over the market. The 360, which is plauged by issues and being outsold by the PS2?

Plus, his idea that every decade the industry just changes itself is a little bit absurd. The changes he cites came about for different reasons. Atari failed because of public indifference to "games" (hence "entertainment system"). Nintendo's failure was more technical than social, even against trumped-up charges of mistreatment regarding developers (which were serious, to be sure, but definitely not the main reason everyone jumped ship). Just taking periods of time and saying "hey, they're similar!" and then basing your entire analysis on that is ridiculous.

As for the secrecy potentially being a huge problem for Sony, I agree completely. He should have fleshed that idea out more, however, rather than just throwing around poorly-informed speculation.

Re:Me love me some 360! (1)

Miraba (846588) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916917)

If I hadn't already posted in this thread, you would be getting one of my mod points.

The whole problem with these articles is that the writers are BSing and calling it "analysis." They all have the same general knowledge, but most of their conclusions discount certain bits of information to push their bias.

Actually, I think that's true of video game "reporting" in general.

The correct answer to that question is... (2, Interesting)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916162)

...Yes.

While I can't be sure what their release srategy is, Sony knows that they control the majority of the console market. With this, they can continue to play and prod with release dates, demos, and specs. With each new tidbit, they make the fans drool all the more over the system, increasing the hype. (To be fair, Nintendo does the same to us Nintendo fanboys, only we get less promises and specs, and at a much slower rate.)

However, one has to wonder how long they can hold this off. I'm sure PS2 hardware sales are already dropping as game stores start pushing for reserving a PS3. Eventually, the numbers will reach over into game sales (where Sony makes up profit loss on the console), becuase no one will be buying a new PS2, and thus won't get Grand Theft Auto 10 or whatever. If they hold off too long, this could give them a big bite, though I'm sure that software sales will surge (including PS2 titles) when the PS3 comes out- assuming it has backwards compatibility.

In fact, the same thing is happening across the board, excluding the XBox (360). As news of the DS Lite travels, regular DS sales will slow as people decide to hold off for a few months to get The Next Best Thing. Same thing goes for the Gamecube and the PS2.

Re:The correct answer to that question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14917417)

...except Sony doesn't take a loss on the PS2 hardware. Never has.

Only Sega and Microsoft have done that. One of which no longer exists.

Is lack of a strategy a strategy? (3, Insightful)

diabolus_in_america (159981) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916183)

I think we are seeing what happens when products try to be all things to all people. The muddled information about the PS3's launch is understandable because everything else about the system is so muddled. How much will it cost? Will it be backwards-compatible? I've not seen answers to those are very simple questions yet.

And I think the reason we don't know the answers to the simple questions is because Sony hasn't yet answered all the hard questions internally. It just doesn't seem like there is a solid plan or a road map for the PS3 other than being "faster." Why are they using blu-ray? What is the H-D plan for the PS3? Why are they using bluetooth? What are their online plans? I should not have to dig through countless gaming sites to find out these details.

I think Sony has taken a lot of things for granted with the PS3. It could be that the installed base of the PS2 has clouded their thinking. But Sega proved that a next-gen machine had to have more than just technical superiority to succeed (and they were first to market with the Dreamcast!)

Sony needs to get the public informed about the PS3, and they need to do it soon. Else, the XBOX 360 may do to the PS3 what the PS2 did to the Dreamcast.

Take microsoft by suprise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14916209)

A previous comment [slashdot.org] noted that microsoft wants to steal some of sony's thunder at launch by releasing Halo at the same time. Perhaps the secrecy is to avoid that counter-marketing.

/me goes back to ignoring console gaming

Re:Take microsoft by suprise (1)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916716)

are we overrating the importance of halo 3 here? Halo 1 and 2's launches on the original Xbox were totally ignored overseas (Japan isn't keen on FPS) and if halo made any impact on ps2 sales it certainly isnt visible as the ps2 still outsold the Xbox by about 80 million units.

I'd argue the Xbox360 needs another Halo to keep its head above water (how many Xboxes would have been sold with no halo? Odds are they would have been the next jaguar)...but it's not any kind of threat to ps3 sales. Any serious Halo fanboys have already bought the 360 since its a given that Halo 3 IS coming. What the Xbox NEEDS is to get a series that sells well on Ps3 and make it an Xbox exclusive. (GTA..Devil May Cry..Silent Hill...Metal Gear...Final Fantasy...etc)

How Sony Must See The Market (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14916306)

Take a second to see the market from Sony's perspective:

1. You have just destroyed your competition in the marketplace for two straight generations

2. Because of 1. developers are beating down your door to land approvals for PS3 titles

3. One of your competitor's consoles has just had to be pulled from the market due to incompetence in being able to put manufacture a competitive piece of hardware at a reasonable price

4. Because of 3. that same competitor, although I am using that word loosely, has had to rush a weak new system onto the market. That system is plauged with problems that are of a magnitude never see before in the console market

5. The stronger of your two competitors, Nintendo, isn't planning on releasing their new console until after your PS3 ships in mid-2006

6. The new 360 is completely dead in Japan.

7. The new 360 is flopping in Europe - this is major news few people have picked up on yet

8. The new 360 is being outsold 2 to 1 in the US by your five year old system

9. The new 360 is being forced to have some sort of relaunch marketing event to try to jumpstart sales

10. 360 games are getting laughed at by the console world for their miserable graphics

Sony has absolutely nothing to worry about. It would be incompetent for them to do so. Sony has a big battle upcomming with Nintendo in Japan. But that is still months away. Right now Sony only needs to keep cranking out the massively profitable PS2s and continue stockpiling PS3 part for the arrival of the system in June in Japan.

Re:How Sony Must See The Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14916532)

You're a dick.

Re:How Sony Must See The Market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14917014)

3. One of your competitor's consoles has just had to be pulled from the market due to incompetence in being able to put manufacture a competitive piece of hardware at a reasonable price

4. Because of 3. that same competitor, although I am using that word loosely, has had to rush a weak new system onto the market. That system is plauged with problems that are of a magnitude never see before in the console market

10. 360 games are getting laughed at by the console world for their miserable graphics

-5 obvious fanboy hyperbole

Re:How Sony Must See The Market (1)

GameEngineer (961102) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917114)

The Xbox was killed off early by Microsoft due to their inability to bring the manufacturing costs down over the life of the product. The main culprit was the idiotic decision to include a harddrive. Harddrives don't come down in price. Manufacturers come out larger capacity drives for the same price. And for drives of the size in the Xbox I wouldn't be surprised if the costs actually started to go up due to fact that almost no one uses drives of that size anymore.

Because the massive losses the first Xbox was generating Microsoft was forced to come up with new hardware faster than Sony or Nintendo. And it shows. They pretty much only had time to get IBM to slap a third core onto one of their existing designs and bolt an ATI card to it.

The Xbox 360 has had more things go wrong with its hardware and launch than all other console's combined. I can't think of another console that is anywhere close to the 360.

The 360 has turned out to be the biggest console disaster ever. I would love to hear which console over the past twenty years is even in the same league as the 360 for hardware problems or launch disasters.

Not a very good "Game Engineer" (1)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917347)

Your post is nothing but fanboy flamebait.

The Xbox 360 is indeed, the most complex console to date, as has almost every console released, ever. More things going wrong with it? The only thing I've heard of it overheating of the PSU, mainly because of the decision to make it external (and poor design, at that) and people's inability to put it somewhere where heat would not build up.

It certainly isn't the "biggest console disaster ever" - as I understand it, the 360 is setting records for "games-per-unit" sales, and since the hardware is completely sold out everywhere, I imagine that means positive revenue for Microsoft. They were able to sell them like gangbusters last Christmas, even bundled with hundreds of dollars of extras (thereby eliminating the loss per unit in one fell swoop).

The PS3, on the other hand, is going to cost 3 times the Xbox 360 to BUILD. Sony can only hope to **match** the games-per-unit record that the 360 is making, and that won't compensate for the loss they'll need to take just to sell the PS3 and keep it competitive.

Re:How Sony Must See The Market (1)

Ed State (961103) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917030)

This PS3/360/NR to-and-fro here is amazing to me because of posts like these. In general most of the points are either valid, (currently) true, or at least arguable... but then you have to go and read stuff like this:

360: "a weak new system... plauged with problems that are of a magnitude never see before in the console market... laughed at by the console world for their miserable graphics."

I mean, jeesh? To be fair, this brand of drivel not isolated to Sony peeps. The same happens on the *other* sides, too (although not as much, weirdly). But it's bothersome because it just spoils whatever cred you came in the room with. Forensics 101 people!

My 2 cents? Well, simply, I like games. Mostly *analog* games like ping-pong, bolwing, pinball, skateboarding, etc. But I've owned an Atari 2600, Commodore 64, SNES, 3DO, Dreamcast and currently own an Xbox (I didn't have a PS1 because I was just starting my career, and knew it would be dangerous;)). I'm a pseudo-early adopter, and I think LIVE is awesome. I play online on my computer sometimes, but IMHO LIVE is just... smooth. Pick-up and play, which is what 'console gaming' is all about. I'll probably get a PS3 and/or NR also, but right now I'd love to get my hands on a 360, but like a lot of people can't find an un-bundled, non-Ebay Premium system to save my life (who wants to support that kind of behavior?). Although availibilty will probably (hopefully) improve within the next month or two. I check the BestBuys here in NYC a couple times a week. I've only gotten close a couple times when they've had some Core systems. And even those have sold out before I could get there. FWIW, I quizzed the sales people at several stores and they surmised that they get at least 50 systems a week (x 4 stores) and they're gone. Poof! Sure there are stores in Japan with THOUSANDS!!!! And I'm sure, too, a bunch in Europe. But for ME (and apparently many others) they're still hard to get in the US. Again NON-BUNDLED and NON-EBAY'd. So all those posters here who claim they're 'everywhere' are hopeful, or secretly Japanese. That kind of statement's factually accurate, but 'journalistically' misleading. Same goes for the graphics. I buy systems with graphics in mind (check: C64, 3DO, Dreamcast) and you'd be crazy not to see the difference graphics-wise 360-to-current gen. Sure, it MAY be only 1.5 gen, blah blah blah, and the PS3 MAY be so graphically powerful that it explodes every other system within a two block radius... but WE DON'T KNOW. All we know is the 360 is here now (at least on display) and PGR, Kameo, etc look darn nice. I actually respect the f* outof Nintendo for essentially going purely the 'it's all about the games' route, and foregoing the graphics pissing contest.

Blah blah blah. I'm rambling. But it is what it is. The 360 is out now, the PS3 isn't. The 360's graphics are better than any current console. The launch certainly was rushed, but wasn't nearly a hardware catastrophe (nor was the PS2 launch). AND the PS3 will be out sometime in the next year-and-a-half. And then only time and money will tell.

Neither: Flailing (2, Interesting)

ereshiere (945922) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916391)

Everything they're doing is a "me-too." Is there a single new idea in the PS3?

It seems, in fact, that even the components are going to be copied: the bad bad Cell (anyone even remember the supposed promise of the Emotion Engine?) will be used in computers.

They're poorly trying to play catchup on the Xbox Live|SNES/NES download services. Downloading a dual-layer PS2 DVD sounds very bizarre, if their service is ever built to the specifications they listed. Certainly we will have the ability to, one day, get 9GB file via Wifi in Tbilisi, but what's the point now?

And where are the exclusive PS3 titles? Metal Gear, Gran Turismo... I know there are enormous fans of these games, but my inclination is "so what." I'll give you Symphony of the Night, but can anyone name another PS1 game that anyone truly cares about playing again via their download service? It seems that most of their decent earlier games (as in 8 years ago) are available for the N64. Sony simply does not have the franchises that Nintendo has cultivated and Microsoft has basically bought for Xbox Live.

Even the bluray will be available in other devices. (That, of course, bodes well for the bluray format, but does it really matter with the PS3?)

The PS2/Revolutionalike controller scheme honestly reminds me of the 32X, and we all know how badly that went.

I was about to write, "Like every videogame war, it comes down to the games..." but I attended E3 in 1999 and remember the amazing promise of the Dreamcast's games, which gave the system the most quality-game-heavy launch in the history of videogaming since the NES. With the iPod now the gold standard in consumer electronics, it's about creating a complete experience for the user, and I can easily see the PS3 as all-things-to-all-people.

Xbox360 is a 1.5 upgrade. PS3 is copycatting. Combine this with the rootkit fiasco, the accompanying media hype (always impossible to meet) that blurays require a DRM-friendly HDTV, kaboom.

Nintendo all the way. I don't doubt a great deal of hype accompanying it, but it will be more of the "look at this weird thing" variety, much like the DS, and look at the DS now.

Re:Neither: Flailing (0, Troll)

DogDude (805747) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916948)

Is there a single new idea in the PS3?

Well, it does use CELL technology instead of the same old x86 Intel architecture. From everything I've read in non-game publications, it'll make the XBox 360 look like a Colecovision by comparison. I tried a XBox 360 in a store today, and it looked and played exactly like my PS2. I don't understand why the point of the 360 is, actually.

Nintendo all the way.

Nintendo? Don't they just make games for little kids these days?

and look at the DS now. I don't even know what the DS is. What's your point... that there's something called the "DS" that nobody has heard of, kind of like whatever Nintendo is making these days?

The strategy is to keep Mind Share (2, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916866)

so long as all the blogs and media outlets are talking about Sony, talking about Blu-Ray, and talking about the really cool games that are coming with the PS3, they keep you from wanting to buy an xBox360.

Most people I know are waiting until all the consoles are released before they buy, and I live in xBox360 central (Seattle), so you know it's working.

BEWARE!!! (2, Informative)

Erich (151) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916933)

The 15th?

Beware the ides of March!

BEWARE!

Et tu, nintendo?

Sigh. Like anyone reading Slashdot these days finds this funny. Back in my day... et cetera.

GDC (1)

escay (923320) | more than 8 years ago | (#14916985)

Phil Harrison, President of SONY computer entertainment is going to deliver a keynote address at the upcoming Game Developers' Conference on March 22, titled "PS3: beyond the box" [gdconf.com]...let's hope this will probably end the silence on the console, apart from the rumored announcement on the 15th.

it's just hype (1)

qda (678333) | more than 8 years ago | (#14917269)

i'd say in PS3's case, all press like this is great press, and the mystery creates 'headlines' like this one on slashdot. people get talking about it, and start thinking about skipping the x360 and saving up for this amazing mystery system. remember the INCREDIBLE ps2 cpu hype? they made it sound like the ps2 had A.I.. It turned out to just be nothing special at all. i just wonder how long before disc read errors start popping up with the ps3..
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