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PlayStation 3 Delay Official

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the you-owe-me-five-bucks dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "It's official! PS3 has been delayed until November in Japan. Apparently, it's because of copy protection technology issues associated with Blu-ray." From the article: "Today, Sony officially conceded defeat to the recent flurry of rumors and speculation, with Japanese newspaper Nihon Keizai Shimbun reporting the machine has been pushed back until November. There aren't many details out right now, but Sony says issues over the finalization of copy protection technology related to their Blu-ray disc drive is the cause of the delay. As the news is coming out of Japan, that creates a worrisome scenario for America and Europe."

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dupe fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919265)

Re:dupe fp (1)

grub (11606) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919526)


Sadly there are more dupes announcing the delay than there are actual announcements from Sony on the matter.

This is not a dupe at all. (5, Interesting)

Silent sound (960334) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919926)

The link you give is to an entirely different article. That article is about a Howard Stinger interview from several weeks ago. This article is about an article written in a Japanese newspaper this morning.

Moreover, the "dupe" you give is wrong. The article slashdot posts there claims the announcement is "official", but the "official announcement" there is nothing but a misquote. The article took a quote from Variety Magazine saying the PS3 would be out "before the holidays", attributed Variety's commentary to Howard Stinger, and made it sound like PS3 would not be out until "the holidays".

This honestly makes me a little suspicious about this article (today's article, the new article you think for some reason is a dupe), to be honest. We've already had one case where Variety implied a November release for the PS3, a video game blog misquoted it as a Sony statement, and Slashdot reprinted the misquote as an "official" announcement. What if we have a case now where a Japanese newspaper implied a November release for the PS3, a video game blog misquoted it as a Sony statement, and Slashdot reprinted the misquote as an "official" announcement? Can we get a corroborating source besides just 1UP, or an actual quote from Sony about this somehow?

Revolution before PS3? (3, Interesting)

Erioll (229536) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919279)

If it's November for Japan, and they don't do the same launch date worldwide, could the Revolution be out before it? Isn't it supposed to be a worldwide release around that time?

Maybe somebody with a better memory could put out some dates they've seen.

Re:Revolution before PS3? (1)

G-funk (22712) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919370)

Nintendo have always said revolution would be out (just) before the PS3.

Re:Revolution before PS3? (1)

chrismcdirty (677039) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919394)

They also said that the Gamecube would be out just before the Xbox. Turned out, it came out a week later. Maybe two. It was a while ago and my memory isn't what it used to be.

Re:Revolution before PS3? (1)

Jearil (154455) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919515)

3 days. The Xbox came out the 15th and the Cube came out the 18th. I only remember because I got an xbox release day and my friend got a GC release day from the same store 3 days later.

Re:Revolution before PS3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919890)

Liar. You remember because you have no life.

Re:Revolution before PS3? (4, Informative)

discordja (612393) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919442)

According to Iwata the states will have it by Thanksgiving '06 [gamespot.com] and that Twilight Princess will be released around then as well. Those two events coliding spells crazy sales for the big N for the holidays.

Re:Revolution before PS3? (1)

Miraba (846588) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919663)

With a PS3 Japan release in November, I'm wondering what the release schedule for Sony and Nintendo will look like. Here are what I think the most likely release schedules are (in no particular order), with the assumption that Sony will not try for a simultaneous release (as per their previous consoles).

Scenario 1: Sony releases just before Nintendo in both Japan and the US, with all releases staggered.

PS3 (Japan), Rev (Japan), PS3 (US), Rev (US)
Sony, having released first in both regions (plus brand name), would have the clear advantage.

Scenario 2: Nintendo releases earlier than expected and hits the market just before Sony; alternately, Sony has problems releasing by early November and falls behind by a week or two. Again, releases are staggered.

Rev (Japan), PS3 (Japan), Rev (US), Sony (US)
Not sure how they would play out. Sony would probably have the edge in the US on virtue of brand name, but it would be somewhat reduced since they would be releasing later. Japan could be anywhere from lopsided to dead even, depending how well the Revolution sells.

Scenario 3: Sony releases first in Japan, Nintendo goes with a simultaneous release and Sony follows in the US. This assumes that the Revolution will be faster to manufacture, something that is entirely possible.

PS3 (Japan), Rev (Japan and US), PS3 (US)
This could be quite interesting. I'm also thinking it's the most likely. Nintendo would get good buzz from the simultaneous release and would beat Sony to market in the US.

Scenario 4: Nintendo is able to churn out the Revolution far faster than Sony can put out the PS3. Sony receives additional spec delays and/or has slow manufacturing. Nintendo does a simultanous release before Sony even hits Japan.

Rev (Japan and US), PS3 (Japan), PS3 (US)
This would be the best case scenario for Nintendo and the worst for Sony. Nintendo would have an impressive amount of buzz (simulaneous release) and Sony would be dragged down by the rumors of delays and being unable to release as impressively as Nintendo.

I've left out a few variations in release schedules, but I don't believe they would change the results very much.

is it worth it? (2, Insightful)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919291)

You have to wonder if it is realy worth it..

all they are doing is waiting to precect the way they can screw their customers, and making them wait for it.

i realy hope no one buys a PS3, something needs to teach them a lessson

I don't think the PS3 is ready in many respects (4, Insightful)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919350)

When the ps2 launched in November there was a shittun of info and games shown to the public (not random tech videos) in March of that year. The ps3 has almost nadda, i have gut feeling sony is just putting the blame on the blu-ray but i have a gut feeling they're having trouble in more places then one.

Re:I don't think the PS3 is ready in many respects (0, Flamebait)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919378)

At least they're working out the issues, rather than sending out a craptastic console.

-Jesse

Re:I don't think the PS3 is ready in many respects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919751)

It's a little early to be saying that - there's still plenty of time for them to do both. :)

Re:I don't think the PS3 is ready in many respects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919886)

How did this get modded +4 informative?

Re:I don't think the PS3 is ready in many respects (1)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920103)

I'm all for a release with pre-broken DRM. It will either make the content unrestricted, or make the public painfully aware of the evils being done to their consumer's rights.

Re:I don't think the PS3 is ready in many respects (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919882)

That's an awful lot of gut feelings. Might wanna have that checked out.

Re:is it worth it? (0)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920076)

You have to wonder if it is realy worth it..

Of course its worth it, since you get a rootkit bundled with your game console ;)

Dang!! (5, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919295)

I was sooo looking forward to getting copy protection sooner than that.

Re:Dang!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14920097)

so was DVD Jon

I hope they pay the price. (3, Insightful)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919300)

I hope they pay the price for their copy protection scheme. They're most likely going to miss Christmas in the US where presumably Nintendo will have a new console and Microsoft will have a fully stocked lineup of 360s ready to roll.

Re:I hope they pay the price. (1, Offtopic)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919336)

Right, because the Nintendo and Microsoft devices don't use any copy protection...

Re:I hope they pay the price. (3, Informative)

hal2814 (725639) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919412)

Look way, way up in the air. That's my point sailing over your head. I'm sure Nintendo will have copy protection and Microsoft certainly has it. However, they're not going around muffing system launches over it. If Sony is going to delay their entire launch over some copy protection concerns, I hope they lose a lot of customers over it. That copy protection is not doing one thing for me as a gamer and I don't plan on waiting one day to get a new system over a company's inability to get something like that working on their system. At least the 360 muffed their launch over chip shortages since the processor is something I need as a gamer.

Re:I hope they pay the price. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919415)

Well of course -- but not the sort of invasive crap that Sony is known for. I wouldn't be surprised if you have to connect that thing to the internet to validate a licence key to play a new game!

Re:I hope they pay the price. (1)

jferris (908786) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919428)

Don't be silly! All you have to do is deposit a DNA sample into the onboard specimen cup. ;-)

Re:I hope they pay the price. (2, Funny)

Erioll (229536) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919582)

That would certainly result in an interesting smell to their consoles...

Re:I hope they pay the price. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919765)

Salesperson: "You have to piss on Sony to get the full effect."

Re:I hope they pay the price. (5, Insightful)

DorkusMasterus (931246) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919420)

They (Microsoft, Nintendo) do use copy-protection. However, since they (SONY) are trying to move their proprietary format of discs (BLU-RAY), they are in their own trap. So, yes, their digital rights are what screwed them up, and they're paying the price for being overly greedy. I also agree that they've set themselves up for this issue, and that they deserve whatever loss of market share occurs. I'm all for higher-capacity discs and a good working standard. However, if you're the company that MAKES THE DISCS AND THE PLAYERS, and you STILL can't make your stuff work the way you designed it to, then that's your own damn fault. YMMV.

Re:I hope they pay the price. (1)

Petrushka (815171) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919403)

This has wider implications than just the PS3. If they don't get the PS3 out in the USA by Christmas, then, I submit, that's the end of Blu-ray.

Even if they do get it out by Christmas, there's the possibility of supply problems: if there are only half of the problems the 360 had, that too could well be enough to spell the end of Blu-ray.

As of now, I think, HD-DVD is winning.

Re:I hope they pay the price. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919768)

Pay a price for their copy protection scheme? What the hell is wrong with people these days?

Because Sony wants to protect their system from the flagrant abuse and piracy of games, movies, and other Blu-ray content, you feel it necessary to whinge about your hope that they 'pay the price' for doing what is, in essence, a good business practice?

Go warez something else. I hear the Dreamcast was easy to steal games for. Maybe you'd like it more than the PS3, considering you sound like a trolling pirate.

No downsampling of HD content confirmed (1)

westlake (615356) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920075)

I hope they pay the price for their copy protection scheme.

The good news:

The "Image Constraint Token" (downsampling of HD content for analog outputs) is more or less dead.

You won't see it invoked in the initial HD releases from SONY, Disney, Fox or Paramount. Warner may be the only significant hold-out. Not that 960x540 is half-bad:

Sony, Others Won't Degrade HD Content on Analog Outputs [pcworld.com]

Disney to release movies on HD DVD [tgdaily.com] The worst possible news for the Blu-Ray camp and something that will put enormous pressure on Time-Warner.

AACS will survive in some form. But it is beginning to look like Microsof's iHD and HD-DVD are the real winners here.

Revolutionary DRM (5, Funny)

RealErmine (621439) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919301)

After all, isn't never launching the console really the best copy protection of all? This ultimate protection of Sony copyright will certainly be a gold mine!

Re:Revolutionary DRM (2, Funny)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919317)

I'm sure they got the idea from the Phantom.

Re:Revolutionary DRM (2, Funny)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919486)

1) Take $600 pre-orders of bloated video-game console
2) Use funds to build an awesome spaceship
3) Cancel production of console
4) Fly Away??
5) Profit!!!!

translating is fun! (1, Redundant)

Rydia (556444) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919316)

"newspaper Nihon Keizai Shinbun"
turns into
"newspaper Japan Business Newspaper"

Shouldn't this story be from the department-of-redundancy-department?

If you're talking about a foreign source, integrate it properly or translate!

pedantry is fun! (0, Redundant)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919375)

the newspaper New York Daily News

Is that redundant? No, because The Daily News is the name of the newspaper. I don't know if this is the case here, but I suspect you're just being pedantic. Like me. Yay!

Re:translating is fun! (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919631)

Never translate names, ever. You only confuse people.

We can do it with English names if you wish.

Ruby - "Hello red stone"
May - "Hello period of days of a defined number"

It makes no sense to translate a name, because a name is a name. It transends languages and stays the same no matter what you say it in.

Re:translating is fun! (1)

Yosho (135835) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919775)

To be fair "Ruby" and "May" do not have literal meanings in another language. Everybody who speaks English knows what they are without any explanation because they are part of the language. On the other hand, "Nihon Keizai Shinbun" quite literally translates into "Japan Business Newspaper." The Japanese name sounds like meaningless gibberish to most English-speakers, whereas the translation actually has a significant meaning. It makes perfect sense to translate the name in this instance. Do you refer to Japan as "Nihon" when talking about it to other people? Do you call Germany "Bundesrepublik Deutschland"?

Re:translating is fun! (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920010)

I perfer Nihon/Nippon as a name yes. It sounds better and such, but the point is you still don't translate names. You wouldn't expect Japan to translate "BBC" for example, it would just be what it is.

Also I'm pretty sure most places will have a different term for May and Ruby is an object, hence would have it's own name in these languages.

It's just a fundamental rule of translating.. names remain as they are and if you want you put the meaning after it. For example "Nihon Keizai Shinhun (Japanese business newspaper)" would of been much better, but as it is, I'd rather see a name kept "pure", since it is after all a name.

Obligatory...Alladin quote? (2, Funny)

Xiroth (917768) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919322)

Oh, there's a big surprise. That's an incredible... I think I'm going to have a heart attack and die, from that surprise.

Shocking news (4, Funny)

Pluvius (734915) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919325)

How could anyone have predicted this turn of events!?

Rob

Re:Shocking news (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919369)

i know! [slashdot.org]

PS3 killed off by lawyers (1)

Morgaine (4316) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919978)

>> How could anyone have predicted this turn of events!?

You're right, it wasn't hard to see this coming. Even I predicted it [slashdot.org] , despite having a rather cloudy crystal ball, so it must have been pretty obvious.

What we're seeing here is the PS3's technological success being killed off by Sony's new overlords --- the lawyers waving the mighty banner of the company's new religion, content protection.

Whether the PS3 will still succeed despite Xbox 360 and maybe the Revolution getting a competition-free run for one or two years is anybody's guess (this won't be the last postponement). But it's sad, anyway.

In 1-1/2 year's time, MS will have Xbox 360/2 in the wings, upgraded to PS3's spec or beyond. What then of your solidly content-protected platform, Sony lawyers?

Not good. (1)

digitalmonkey2k1 (521301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919333)

I felt a great disturbance in the game community, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Copy Protection is the cause for the delay? (5, Insightful)

DorkusMasterus (931246) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919337)

I'll be honest, I'm not one for bandwagons, but I'm starting to get genuinely scared enough by all this SONY/DRM talk. If the delays are truly because they can't figure out a way to keep their media from becoming copied, or somesuch, then we're really in trouble. I was going to wait for a price war for getting either an 360 or PS3, and now the answer is clear. While 360 has its share of problems, to be sure, I'm definitely not waiting around for a DRM/copy-protection scheme that is half-baked, so Sony can make their delayed launch date, including all sorts of potential privacy problems.

I used to consider all y'all who said SONY="privacy killa" luddites and conspiracy theorists... now I'm not so sure. PS3 just moved from "definitely an option" to "needs a killer-app to even consider".

Err... Not gamewise but music/media wise (2, Interesting)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919453)

To get blu-ray approved as the (or a) next home media for hdtv Sony will need the blessings of more movie studio's then their own. If it was a simple matter of their own games or movies then it wouldn't be much of an issue. They'd easily push the system out.

Re:Err... Not gamewise but music/media wise (1)

DorkusMasterus (931246) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919620)

Again, if it's because they're having a problem selling copy-protection schemes to outside film distributors or such, then AGAIN, it's a matter of "shame on your greed, SONY" as you are losing market share because instead of using a time-tested format that would not only get you the games you wanted out, as well as the films... you also have to use your own format, that is not agreed-upon, and will not be universally accepted.

I'm sorry. I still see and call GREED. Not that M$ is a saint in this area... far from it. But at least they saw the value in getting a working product out on time, making that product universally usable in TODAY'S game-space, not trying to unite the world around some new tech that they can't possibly get EVERYONE to agree to, so they can line their pockets with not only console and game money, but the actual media format cash as well. It's just greed, greed and more greed.

Re:Copy Protection is the cause for the delay? (1)

voxel (70407) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919454)

If Sony PS3 is as good as the PS2, they have nothing to worry about.

Maybe you won't buy a console when it comes out because you'll buy an XBox360 now. Three years later when the PS3's games are rockin the house, you'll shell out the $199.00 to pick it up then and Sony will smile.

My PS2 isn't as pretty as my XBOX (I have both), but man my PS2 games sure do edge out the XBOX, and graphics are just that, graphics, nothing more.

If all you want is the "best" graphics, go watch a movie, just don't think about any "fun factor".

Re:Copy Protection is the cause for the delay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919587)

One big (unknown) is how expensive games will be for the PS3 and Blu-Ray discs will not be a good thing with this in mind; the announced price tag for Blu-Ray movies are in th $30-$40 range and I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 games were as expensive (or more expensive) than XBox 360 games. When people start seeing a $500 system with $70 games they may wonder whether a slight improvement in graphics (all systems this generation could be argued to have a slight improvement in graphics) is really worth the massive cost increase.

Basically, what I'm saying is that none of the systems are ensured success because anyone of them (or all of them) could be ignored in the marketplace.

You, my friend, are in luck!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919467)

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You're confused. This is about the movie DRM (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919561)

If you will read the article, you will see the copy protection they're talking about is for the movies, not the games.

If you intend to buy your PS3 as a video game system and not a blu-ray movie player, this doesn't effect you except for the longer wait.

Re:Copy Protection is the cause for the delay? (1)

keyrat rafa (856668) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920160)

What's really stupid is that, if indeed DRM is the 'cause for the delay, Sony is delaying for absolutely nothing. We all know the protection will be cracked (my bet is in less than six months after PC drive is released), regardless of how much effort is put into it.

For "good" reason (1)

marshallh (947020) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919374)

This delay may afford Nintendo some ground to get a head start, but if the PS3 will be the killer machine Sony is "making" it out to be, it won't matter.

On the other hand, it could be a good thing, supposedly allowing Sony time to refine their console, unlike the 360.

Re:For "good" reason (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920112)

This delay may afford Nintendo some ground to get a head start, but if the PS3 will be the killer machine Sony is "making" it out to be, it won't matter.

If their DRM is as contrived at their Windows version then don't even think of being able to run your own games. Overheating power-supplies will be nothing in comparison to this.

Re:For "good" reason (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920183)

The problem is that there's the potential for Sony to delay things indefinately as they try to implement every new thing that Nintendo and Microsoft do. Motion-sensitive controllers? Downloadable back catalog of games? When Nintendo gets around to announcing more features of the Revolution, will that coincide with yet another delay in the PS3 as Sony tries to figure out how to copy it and get it in before launch?

I'm seeing a shocking reluctance to actually finalize the design. The more they put off finishing it, the more it had better look like the freakin' Sistine Chapel.

Microsoft must be loving this... (4, Insightful)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919379)

Microsoft must be clapping with glee over the delay of the PS3. I don't think it will make much difference though unless they get their shit together and start actually making enough 360s. It's my opinion the shortage situation has really hurt sales of the 360. There was a while there where it seemed supply had picked up as my local Best Buy looked to be getting a few a week. After humming and hawing I decided to get one and I've been trying to find one for about two weeks now. I've just given up for the time being. Maybe it's better to wait as Microsoft is sure to drop the price eventually, perhaps when the PS3 is actually released.

Re:Microsoft must be loving this... (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919433)

And having enough 360s will only be good if they get some decent games.

Backwards compatible... (1)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919571)

One of the selling features for me was backwards compatibility. I figured that even though there are only two games out right now that I want, Call of Duty and Gotham Racing, the current list of backwards compatible titles covers pretty much all of my existing Xbox library. There have to be a lot of current Xbox owners chomping at the bit to get the 360 knowing they could ride out a dry spell of new games with existing games.

Just a note for those of you that thought that backwards compatibility wouldn't be a big deal.

Re:Backwards compatible... (4, Informative)

dbhankins (688931) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919766)

Careful there. Some of the titles on the compatibility list are basically unplayable.

Case in point: Sega GT 2002. The game runs at less than half-speed. And that's not just framerate, the game clock runs at less than half-speed, and everything responds slowly too.

Of my Xbox games that are "compatible" with X360 (about 1/4 of them, slightly less than the official list percentage), a fair number of those run unacceptably slow.

Dupe! (1)

DarthChris (960471) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919397)

it's not (1)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919485)

There's no official concrete date on that one where as this gives the month in which Sony will release in Japan.

Sony meets DRM and Microsoft (2, Insightful)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919411)

There are two things I see happening here.

The first is that of a huge, monolith corporation stumbling under its own weight. I think a fair comparison would be a giant Hydra where all heads have to be happy in order to take one step forward. Of course, many Slashdotter-types have seen this coming, the time when the corporations comprising the media cartels will be driven to paralysis by issues like DRM, and this is only the beginning.

The other is the disruptive force of Microsoft on the gaming industry. When I say "disruptive", I mean it neutrally (although my opinions on MS and gaming are definitely not neutral). MS decided to release a year (or three) early, and it's forced Nintendo and Sony to scramble a bit. Unfortunately for Sony, these two issues have compounded in a way that has the possibility of being not so good for their gaming business.

On the other hand, the PS2 had lots of problems launching. Limited stock, few games (especially in Japan). The problems I raise here will definitely affect Sony, but I think it's still too early to guage how much.

That's odd (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919414)

Isn't the copy protection in blu-ray (just like in hd-dvd) upgradeable? So why does the copy protection need to be done before launch? They could patch it later. This smells to me like there's some other, real reason for the delay, and they're just using the copy protection as a cover, an excuse.

Oh well. At least this way there will be some actual games ready by the time the PS3 itself is done, and maybe they'll even have the time to make enough units to meet demand. We won't see a repeat of the XBox 360 launch.

One Potential Upshot, but huge downside (4, Insightful)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919466)

The only real upshot to this is that all PS3 games will essentially get a few more months of dev time to polish their titles, which may result in an unusually strong launch lineup.

The downsides to this are numerous, though. Many people may discount Nintendo, but even with their declined marketshare, Nintendo is not the sort of company you want to give a chance to play catchup in any sort of way. This will also give Microsoft a bit more rope. Whether Microsoft uses that extra rope to hang its self or to help build some momentem for the 360 is another question entirely.

Another problem is that the PS2 is already in decline, due to hype over the next generation of consoles. I am damn sure that while Sony would love to wring every last penny from that cash cow, that they dont want to let their best available retail offering to be the underdog against the 360 or Revolution for very long.

Between a handfull of articles about a bunch of weak 'me too' potential features for the PS3, and the way that Nintendo is steadily edging out the PSP due to the PSP not having any high profile killer apps, Sony is looking alot weaker right now then I would have expected. And if history has proven anything in the game industry, even giants can fall.

END COMMUNICATION

Depends on how far along the games are (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920004)

There's all sorts of mixed news about that with various people claiming to be/know/work for/sleep with the developers. If you believe the rosy stories, that they have final dev hardware and have had it for awhile then yep, nothing but a better lineup. However if you believe the horror stories, the copy protection thing might just be a smoke screen as the real problem is the devs are still playing with earily, problematic dev kits and have nothing to really test their games on for release. In that case the delay just means the games will ahve a chance to be READY, not better.

Personally I've decided to just say "fuck it" as to PS3 predictions. Well know what it when it comes out, and we'll know when it comes out when we see it in stores. At this point there's a shitload of speculation, misinformation, and so on, and Sony has said very little of substance in an offical capacity.

YAY! More Time for Halo 3! (1)

MikeyTheK (873329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919471)

The good news is...Bungie will have more time to get Halo 3 ready. I was very disappointed with the single user mission in Halo 2, and it's too damn easy for cheaters in the Live maps. So thank goodness it won't be as rushed as 2 was...or at least it seemed to be based on the weekly updates at Bungie's web site.

Oh No! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919474)

Does this mean I have to wait even longer for Halo 3?

DRM Ate My Homework (2, Interesting)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919484)

It's kind of funny that they are blaming the delay in part on the DRM. If that's all it was then they might have launched with something provisional and then do a firmware upgrade later. Of course I know nothing of BluRay DRM, so just take that as talking out of my butt. Of more interest now are a couple of questions.

1. Will they launch first in Japan or the U.S.?

2. Will they miss Christmas in the U.S.?

In the seemingly unlikely case that they go with a U.S. launch first, a couple of things could be noted. It could mean that Sony really _is_ worried about the Xbox 360 getting too far ahead in the U.S.. To add some more pain to this though is the prospect of a Nintendo launch in the U.S. in the same time frame. Even if Sony isn't worried about falling behind the 360, Nintendo is another matter.

As for missing Christmas in the U.S., that's a real danger. But again, hard to gauge. The 3rd parties would definitely be pissed along with retailers. But Sony still has a strong brand, and let's face it, the PS3 is likely to sell well whenever it is released. So maybe they should just calm down and formulate a sane launch plan that releases the new console when it and its games are ready to go. I think we've all seen enough crap get released too early to meet generally artificial deadlines. And heck, doesn't Mr. Gates deserve a little happiness occasionally too?

Re:DRM Ate My Homework (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919549)

If it's a DRM issue, they may be able to build hardware as planned, even if the software isn't ready yet. Perhaps they're worried that something like what happened with the PSP will happen to the PS3. They'd rather (stupidly) delay the launch than put out something with insecure firmware that they won't be able to force people to upgrade...

If that's the case, they could ramp manufacturing as they would have for an early Japanese launch, and have enough units to ship in multiple places at once. Pure speculation though...

I can't wait for the PS3 to come out, just so we stop hearing about how [well|poorly] it's going to do against the 360.

If you ask me, all these stories should be about the battle between Microsoft and Nintendo... Or do people forget that Nintendo actually came out ahead against Microsoft both in terms of worldwide sales, and in US profits.

Re:DRM Ate My Homework (1)

ScottyH (791307) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919674)

Who's to say the DRM won't be a part of the hardware itself?

Re:DRM Ate My Homework (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919716)

Nobody, except it seems unlikely.

A Wise and Cunning Plan (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919556)

1. Will they launch first in Japan or the U.S.?

2. Will they miss Christmas in the U.S.?


Hmm. If I were them, I'd have a Wise and Cunning Plan to release after Sony releases the PS3 (which is probably October at the latest), let the bloom die a bit off the rose, and then release in the US on November 1, enough time before Christmas but able to avoid the "oh, yeah, Nintendo announced today as well, but let's just talk about Sony's new PS3".

Re:DRM Ate My Homework (1)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920067)

Christmas is also important for a japanese launch since they celebrate a secular version of the holiday.

Better than 360? (1)

panic911 (224370) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919563)

Maybe by the time the PS3 comes out it'll be the next-next-gen Console. They've had an extra year to work on it, so if it's not way better than the xbox360, they failed. They can't come out with a system that's just as good as the 360 when they've had so much more time to work on it. I think the biggest selling point of the ps3 is their exclusive games, such as GTA and Final Fantasy (although FFXI is coming out for xbox360).

Re:Better than 360? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14920056)

Extra time might mean more time for bug testing and a stronger launch lineup, but thats about it. The most important parts of the hardware are already finalized. There is already an enormous investment in money behind production facilities to produce the current hardware. A PS3 released in November will perform pretty much the same as a PS3 released in April because its too late in the development cycle for Sony to make changes to the core system.

Subversive thought (4, Funny)

Gorimek (61128) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919600)

A lot of people are jumping to conclusions, but what's to say they're not delaying to make the copy protection scheme less intrusive and more practical for end users?

Re:Subversive thought (5, Insightful)

Z0mb1eman (629653) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919639)

what's to say they're not delaying to make the copy protection scheme less intrusive and more practical for end users?

Logic? Past experience?

Re:Subversive thought (1)

DorkusMasterus (931246) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919643)

Dude, milk just came out of my nose... don't do that! :)

Re:Subversive thought (1)

dargon (105684) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919750)

You're kidding right? This is Sony we're talking about.

Re:Subversive thought (1)

ninja_pirate (893242) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919856)

A lot of people are jumping to conclusions, but what's to say they're not delaying to make the copy protection scheme less intrusive and more practical for end users?
History?

Re:Subversive thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14919973)

A lot of people are jumping to conclusions, but what's to say they're not delaying to make the copy protection scheme less intrusive and more practical for end users?

HAHAHAHA! hahahahaha.. haha.. heh.. *sniff* *chortle* *clears throat*

Thanks, I needed that.

Re:Subversive thought (3, Interesting)

Kjella (173770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920038)

Well, I'm sure the Blu-Ray's ability to revoke keys is a bastard for contract makers. Imagine say someone posted a working Blu-Ray hack a week after the PS3 launches. What do you do? Freeze sales? Recall? Tell people their player is broken before they've played the first disc? HD DVD is more of a "If it breaks, it breaks. You can't undo damage that's already done." The whole premise is futile because there'll always be an "historic" player somewhere to decrypt all movies up to that point, that has never touched any disc with revokation. But they can sure make a mess out of trying.

Re:Subversive thought (1)

dhaines (323241) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920046)

A lot of people are jumping to conclusions, but what's to say they're not delaying to make the copy protection scheme less intrusive and more practical for end users?

Dude, quit hogging the bong!

Because it's Sony? (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920057)

Seriously, these are the people that stuck the most invasive DRM ever on a CD and then basically did everything they could to avoid actually removing it and apologising.

This is, by the way, noly the latest ina line of shit like this (see the fiasco with HiMD and proprietary formats if you are interested). From Sony I now always expect the worst DRM wise.

Well then (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919666)

When Sony just recently denied any delay, were they lying or just clueless?

Re:Well then (1)

Winckle (870180) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920023)

I am beginning to think both.

Re:Well then (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14920024)

When it comes to Sony, I don't think those are mutually exclusive

No Fanboy Talk Here (1)

Colourspace (563895) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919779)

But I've been waiting for a good 18 months for next gen (own GCN,PSP and PS2 from past gen and much farther back before than that... and favourite is GCN - go figure) and this weekend I gave up and went XB360. With GWAR it's pretty hot, throw in XBOX live with Marble Blast Ultra and Gauntlet.... I am in a place now where I might not bother with PS3 (I sooooo WILL buy the Revolution though even if it comes out with Duck Hunt with nothing else for two years)..Sony? Go fuck yourselves. The PSP should be great but sucks.

Re:No Fanboy Talk Here (1)

tgibbs (83782) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920062)

The amusing thing is the really good games on XBox 360 are the XBox Live Arcade titles--most of which would have run just fine on consoles from a couple of generations back.

Not that I'm complaining, mind you...I'm too busy trying to recapture my former expertise at Robotron.

"Official?" (4, Informative)

bi_boy (630968) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919822)

"Sony Computer Entertainment will delay the release of its PlayStation 3 next-generation video game console until early November because the copy-protection technology for the Blu-ray Disc has not been finalized," reported the paper. No specific regions were mentioned, making it unclear if the delay was for the Japanese PS3 or a worldwide release.

While authoritative in tone, it must be emphasized that the Nihon Keizai Shimbun report is in no way official. Though Sony's last-minute decision to change tomorrow's event from a closed-door presentation to a full-fledged press conference augurs a major announcement, Sony is staying mum. When contacted by GameSpot, a Sony Computer Entertainment America rep declined comment, saying "we have not made any new announcements on PlayStation 3."


Report: PS3 delayed until November [gamespot.com]

Why Not? (1, Flamebait)

mmalove (919245) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919845)

When does everyone buy stuff? Especially console game systems, whose market is primarily (though not entirely) those too young to effectively purchase it without outside (parental) fiscal support?

That's right. It's not that confusing. They're delaying to ride the wave that is Christmas. That's when they'll sell the most units, might as well use the time between to tweak the system.

Yep, a whole year later than the 360.... (4, Interesting)

Malor (3658) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919911)

From the rumors that have been floating around, they're trying to make it All Things to All People, which is the surest way to please few of them.

I've been saying here since early January that we wouldn't see the PS3 officially launched in the States until March of 2007 at the earliest. (and to the AC who called me a 'good liddle fanboy', thpppt!)

It's now March of 2006. They do not yet have, to my knowledge, working hardware for the video game end of things. They don't have working Blu-Ray drives, and in fact the specs there are changing. (latest news: no degradation on analog HDTV sets, which is good.) They don't seem to have decided on a final feature set. I think a November launch might still be possible, but it's gonna take a lot of overtime by a LOT of people. And they'll have to decide on their final feature set _right now_ and push like hell to make it happen.

Sony seems to be in defensive mode, beset by rivals. It doesn't feel like they have a unified vision of what the PS3 should be. Rather, at least if you can believe the zeitgeist of the rumor sites, they seem to be in defensive mode, where they claim they'll do everything that all the other consoles do, better. That's not gonna happen. They don't have the time or the manpower to make it happen. If they keep trying, the PS3 is going to be the Duke Nukem Forever of consoles... because the 360 and Revolution will be moving targets. Now that Microsoft has hardware on the ground, new features are just a matter of writing code. If there's one company on the planet who's got expertise in doing that, it's Microsoft.

At this point, I'm not sure that the PS3 will make November. Whenever it does ship, it will be monumentally expensive, but the wealthy Japanese consumers will buy it in droves anyway; it will be successful in Japan. When they ship it in the US, they're not going to be willing to take the enormous financial hit it would take to sell it at $400; they're going to be priced higher than that, maybe a lot higher.

Now, this part gets _really_ speculative. They saw the EBay market for the 360 (many 360s sold at $800+), so I bet they're going to try a very expensive US introduction. And, paradoxically, I think it will be completely rejected as 'too expensive' by the American consumer, even though the _exact same people_ would turn around and spend $800 for one on EBay. It's okay, you see, for the Average Joe to be rapacious and greedy, but when corporations do it, it's "wrong". And I'm not sure Sony will get that.

Even if they're smart and take the financial hit of introducing at $400, I still think they're likely to end up in third place, this time around. The 360 is really solid; it's an excellent machine and they're doing lots of interesting stuff with it. And the Revolution is _really_ interesting; Nintendo is focused on doing stuff that's fun.

This time around, Microsoft shipped a Mustang. It's big, loud, and powerful. Sony is going to ship a Porsche; quieter, a little faster, more expensive. (if they choose to eat the extra cost, that would make it a great deal for the consumer.) Nintendo is going to ship a Miata. They don't win drag-races, but Miatas are cheap and fun to drive.

Overall, I suspect Nintendo has a good chance of being the big winner this time around. They'll do well in all markets. I suspect the 360 will place a solid (and profitable) second.. they'll do really well in the US and Europe, but will be lucky to sell 25 consoles in Japan. Sony will do well in Japan, simply from a combination of brand- and country-loyalty, but I now suspect they'll do a huge faceplant in the US and Europe.

Re:Yep, a whole year later than the 360.... (2, Insightful)

ad0gg (594412) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919990)

Nintendo is in a different market than 360 and psx3. With sub $200 price point, i think most people will end just buying one but it won't replace HDTV eye candy that psx3 and 360 market.

Downrezzing? (1)

tgibbs (83782) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920034)

They don't have working Blu-Ray drives, and in fact the specs there are changing. (latest news: no degradation on analog HDTV sets, which is good

Actually, my understanding is that the drives will still include the ability to degrade resolution with analog output--Sony is just promising that in the interests of promoting the format they won't set the flag to activate this feature in their own movies [arstechnica.com] ...at least, not right away. Once Blu-Ray wins out over HD-DVD, of course, all bets are off.

The first good reason to hope for a long, long format war....

is anyone else... (1)

thelost (808451) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919953)

watching the sony PS3 unroll like a slow car crash infront of them? I'm sincerely puzzled as to what the frack Sony think they are up to, are they actually made!?

In other news... (3, Funny)

jdubois79 (227349) | more than 8 years ago | (#14919975)

In other news, Microsoft announced today that it was dismayed at the delay in the launch of the PS3. A spokesman was quoted as saying "Come on Sony, get your act together! Gamers are waiting for Halo 3, and we're not going to sit on this thing forever!"

PS3 - Noah's Ark (1)

Kamalot (674654) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920035)

PS3 is being drowned in the boat anchors of DRM and Bluray.

http://kamalot.blogspot.com/2006/03/sonys-ps3-ark. html [blogspot.com]

And with Playstation division being the only division of Sony making any money, all of Sony is looking at using the PS3 to be their "Noah's Ark"; to save them from the flood.

Will it float?

New version of copy protection. (3, Funny)

JPriest (547211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920143)

After they found out they were not allowed to use rootkits for copy protection it was back to the drawing board.

Not Delayed (2, Insightful)

elchuppa (602031) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920150)

I don't believe the console is really all that far behind schedule. Well at least not from Sony's internal point of view. I've always assumed that this was going to happen. The whole 2006 target was simply a marketing ploy to divert attention from the 360 and encourage customers to wait it out. I believe they did the exact same thing for the ps2 launch, with the same bullshit tech videos etc, for the exact same reason. The sad part is how many people don't see it for what it is... sort of like the liberation of Iraq ;).

Sony's content division screws Sony Corp again (1)

gamer4Life (803857) | more than 8 years ago | (#14920192)

It's not surprising that Howard Stringer, a guy who came from the media business, is in charge of Sony corporate. Their movement towards the content side dictating the direction of the company has caused the company to suffer - from DRM in their MP3 walkman, to the rootkit, and now to the PS3. It's too bad that such a great technology company that continually innovates is hindered by their more profitable content division. Too bad they don't realize *why* their electronics division is *less* profitable.
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