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The Chinese Socialist MMOG

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the little-red-mmog dept.


GP writes "How different is China? In the online game version of the idealized Socialist state, you gain experience points by 'doing good deeds' and 'thwarting spys'. You can even meet Chairman Mao!" From a great writeup by Scott Jennings on the game: "And now we have the online MMO version, 'Learn From Lei Feng Online', which allows you to... mend socks. Again - not making any of this up. To quote from the original Xinhua story 'For beginners, sewing and mending socks is the only way to increase experience and to upgrade,' said Jiao Jian, a six-grade pupil in Yuexiu District, quoted by the newspaper. He then continues. 'Every time you are promoted to a higher level, your clothes will become more average,' he said. I'm pretty sure this isn't a translation screw up. The longer you grind, the more you look like everyone else. I guess new users wear designer pastels or something."

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wow (0)

genrader (563784) | more than 8 years ago | (#14938904)

that's completely and utterly messed up.

Re:wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939009)

Whereas paying money to be a online wage-slave is good fun.

Re:wow (5, Insightful)

neoform (551705) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939030)

Yeah, cause countries like the United States never make propaganda games [americasarmy.com], right? Man, china's such a fucked up country! How dare they do this?!

Not "Bad" So Much As "Boring" (1)

cmholm (69081) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939092)

Steady there, TeX. While it might be reasonable to assume that the parent post was a slam against the POV the game is trying to sell, it's also plausable that s/he thinks the concept won't prove compelling to the vast majority of gamers in the PRC, or anywhere else for that matter.

What's odd is that the game is a throwback to something the CPC really quit trying to sell to anyone but party cadres. However, there's never homogeneity of opinion in any organization, including the Party.

Re:wow (1)

Aragorn379 (260855) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939399)

America's Army is more of a recruiting tool then propaganda. I consider it more like an ad.

Re:wow (1)

Sunburnt (890890) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939527)

Since when is an advertisement not propaganda?

Re:wow (2, Informative)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940083)

Since when is an advertisement not propaganda?

I'll be the karma whore.

Propaganda is a promotion of a cause or a particular idea - often times presented with a one-sided or distorted bias.
Advertising is a promotion of a product or service - often times presented with a one-sided or distorted bias

Put it another way, advertising may compel me to become fat or poor while propaganda may lead me to the gallows or the gas chamber.

Re:wow (4, Funny)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939080)

Oh boy, after a hard day's work making basketball shoes for a nickle an hour, you can go back to your tiny apartment and mend socks online.

A virtual sweatshop.

Re:wow (1)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940010)

But since everything in the shops (plus rent etc) costs about the same is here IN RELATION to that nickle, you can have quite a good standard of living. Or if you get bored with working, you could go back to your hut in the countryside and tend pigs for zero an hour.

Re:wow (2, Insightful)

cyber-vandal (148830) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940128)

No they aren't and factory workers in China or anywhere else in poor countries do not have a good standard of living. Stop believing economists' lies, sweatshops are not good for anyone except corporations; why do you think they're illegal in the developed world?

Re:wow (1)

Imsdal (930595) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940161)

Your sweatshop is another man's way to a better life.

The worst factories are obviously horrible and should not be allowed anywhere, much as child abuse should not be allowed anywhere ever. That said, a regular chinese factory offers better opportunities *for those choosing to work there* (not for you and me, obviously) than what is otherwise available.

The option really is tending pigs for zero an hour. That may or may not make the person happier, but it definitely makes him poorer.

Hmm (2, Insightful)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#14938934)

How much do you get for killing infant girls?

//and before you ask, yes. When this type of thing is so pervasive in your country, it is very necessary to repeatedly point it out

Re:Hmm (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | more than 8 years ago | (#14938954)

Hopefully not as many points as you get for holding up a line of tanks, by standing in front of them.

Re:Hmm (1)

idonthack (883680) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939043)

That only happens when TV cameras are around. If they aren't there you just get run over and shot [wakkah.net], no matter how many people are standing in the way.

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939951)

The difference between US [tinyurl.com] and China [tinyurl.com].

Looks like you win if you live in China and are actually looking for pictures of the place.

Hey mods!!! That's not off topic (1)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939129)

It happens all the time in communist China and it is a major part of their culture.

Here are some facts for other mods to read:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5953508 [msn.com]

Re:Hey mods!!! That's not off topic (3, Interesting)

kongjie (639414) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939418)

The original post referred to "killing infant girls."

Infanticide does not happen "all the time" in China. Your MSN reference noted two phenomena: sex determination via selective abortion and infanticide. One is much more pervasive in China and I can assure you it's not infanticide, which was more common before the advent of Communism in China.

Speaking of Communism, you're also way off base blaming "Communism" for this phenomenon. China has a one-child policy which most experts feel is a necessary thing. It's because of their population size, not ideology. The preference for sons has its origins in China's agrarian/Confucian roots. It's an unfortunate thing that when you combine the "good" one-child policy with the "bad" preference for sons, you end up with trouble on a large scale.

In fact, if it hadn't been for China's best-known "Communist" leader, i.e., Mao Zedong, the population problem might not be so extreme, but unfortunately Mao held that China's greatest exploitable resource was manpower and thus more babies was more power, so he ignored calls for population control and urged baby-making instead. So in a sense the situation is opposite of how you portray it.

Parent is right (4, Insightful)

Oldsmobile (930596) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940024)

Most slashdotters don't know a damn thing about China. It is like listening to a bunch of humanities students talking about computers.

"Man, I just re-formatted my processor because I got a virus or a bug or something in my window."

"Yeah I know, you should use that linux-program I heard it really zaps those bugs!"

Re:Hey mods!!! That's not off topic (3, Insightful)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939432)

Rather than use policy and statistics refute your egregiously false (and borderline racist) conception of Chinese culture, I'll just point you to some resources so that you can begin to correct [barnesandnoble.com] your [prweb.com] ignorance [lonelyplanet.com], if you so desire [orbitz.com].

Re:Hey mods!!! That's not off topic (2, Interesting)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939550)

Well, the gender representation in China isn't really that alarming. According to the CIA World Factbook [cia.gov], males represent 53.0% of the 0-14 age group (lower for the 15-65 age group), compared to 51.1% in the US [cia.gov], and the UK [cia.gov] for the same 0-14 age range.

If you want to see something really disturbing, look at the 15-65 age group for mid-east countries such as Kuwait and Qatar: 63.8% and 69.5% respectively.. ~2:1.

Re:Hey mods!!! That's not off topic (2, Insightful)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940142)

The thing, you see, is that Kuwait and Qatar don't have a population of a billion people.

There are like 840,000 Quatari and 2.2 million Kuwaiti, that's respective male excedents of 155,400 and 256,000. China's 53% vs 51% for a population of 1,300,000,000 translates into a male excess of 26,000,000...

You could replace the whole Kuwaiti population by women 10 times and you still wouldn't have enough wives for these guys...

Re:Hey mods!!! That's not off topic (1)

Rei (128717) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939915)

The sex-selective abortion and, less commonly, infanticide, are much more common in the countryside. If you had followed Chinese news, the governent has been trying to stop this. They've taken rather extreme measures, in fact, such as outlawing doctors from telling the parents what the sex of their child is going to be. They've also done some less extreme (and rather cheesy, but well meaning) efforts to promote the value of women in society (usually targetted at men in a "imagine how bad a world without women would be!" style)

Re:Hmm (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939310)

I wonder if they kill more infants there than we abort here?

Re:Hmm (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939869)

Who cares? Either one is ok. Babies destroy lives.

Re:Hmm (4, Insightful)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939365)

I dunno. How much do you get for stuffing your aging parents in "retirement communities" where they can be conveniently forgotten?

(Before you ask--yes, Chinese people really do consider us barbaric for our cultural idiosyncracies. And killing infant girls really isn't pervasive in modern China, even in rural areas, regardless of whatever uninformed drivel Microsoft-NBC is spewing today. Gain some perspective, please.)

Re:Hmm (2, Informative)

linzeal (197905) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939538)

Bullshit, I have a cousin who married a Chinese woman and her family demonstrated killing an infant girl while he was there for only 2 weeks. To say it does not go on is to ignore the fact that places like Shanghai are now approaching 60% male population because of the practice. Places like India are not far behind.

Re:Hmm (1)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939574)

What the hell? That's just so outright wrong, I don't even know where to begin. Just so no one gets misled by your specious assertions, I'm going to link a starting point [economist.com] for your education. To summarize, the sex ratio isn't due to infanticide; it's a combination of (a) selective abortion, and (b) parents choosing to have another child after having a daughter, because they want a son. Don't even try to pretend like neither of these happen here in the West (though not as extensively, I'll grant you).

Re:Hmm (1)

Sparr0 (451780) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939777)

having a second child after a daugher does not increase the boy:girl ratio. at worst, it decreases it, as a couple who has had one daugher has provided a statistical sample of one that they are more likely to have girls, which while extremely lacking in predicitivity, does pass 1%.

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939786)

Why do socialists always respond in the same way. Everyone else is obviously not educated enough. They always have books we should read. We just aren't thinking correctly. Give it a break. If you have an argument or relevant facts then state them so they can be debated. Half of your posts in this article have been for 'reeducation'. Good grief.

Re:Hmm (4, Funny)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939799)

Oh please. I'm as capitalist as they come. If you think Frommer's travel guides and the Economist are mouthpieces for the Chinese Communist Party, I'm afraid you're beyond "reeducation."

Re:Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14940203)

"the sex ratio isn't due to infanticide; it's a combination of (a) selective abortion"

Wait.. I thought you said it was NOT due to infanticide...

Re:Hmm (2, Insightful)

linzeal (197905) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940236)

Selective abortion of female fetuses is as equally henious as infantacide to at least half of the world. Killing because of sex should be called something else, pardon me if my latin does not allow to come with something off the cuff.

Re:Hmm (1)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940305)

I agree. Selective abortion is illegal, and in fact China's government is trying to change cultural attitudes towards women so as to reduce its incidence. You don't even have to read Lonely Planet to learn more; see here [slashdot.org], for example.

Re:Hmm (1)

Bob Cat - NYMPHS (313647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939548)

infant girls really isn't pervasive in modern China

Assuming the occurence is only 1 in 10,000, that's only 60,000. Nothing to get worked up over. Not like it's pervasive or anything.

Try out in the rural areas (1)

MMaestro (585010) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939769)

In rural areas, infancide is brutally rampant. Since theres no accountability/no effective police force/everyone knows each other and therefore won't speak out again it, its insanely easy for a baby girl to "fall down a well" or "die in its sleep" and have NO ONE question it.

Hell, even if it happened in the U.S. some people wouldn't question it. "The pillows accidently smothered it in its sleep. We should be sueing the pillow company instead for this tragedy!"

Re:Hmm (1)

Valar (167606) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940002)

First of all, you aren't going to sound credible if you just make up numbers and then present them as evidence.

Let's assume /. user Bob Cat blah blah blah ONLY eats fifteen kittens a day. That's still 5,475 kittens a year! Not a problem at all!

Re:Hmm (0, Flamebait)

TheOrange (256042) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939714)

Haha. You retard. You are so fucked up you equate putting your parents into an old folks home with killing a baby. Not only that, you have the balls to call it perspective. Let me ask you, is belonging to a different culture justification for denying people rights we consider fundamental? I mean how far can we take this perspective thing? Kill people for speaking out against the government? Hang women for having sex out of wedlock? Kill and eat one and other? I mean, please, oh wise and cultured one, let me know when it stops being "cultural" and starts to be a fucking problem...

Re:Hmm (2, Interesting)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940338)

Regardless of what you may have read in an article, selective infantcide is still very pervasive.

I know two girls who are only around today because the doctor misread the ultrasound and thought they were a boy. Let me tell you, this doesn't lead to good relations with your parents later in life.

And sure, it's illegal. Whatever. What the doctor does is smile if it's a boy, frown if it's a girl. Then without anything obvious at all being said, the parents spontaneously decide to abort or not.

Regardless of if you are for or against abortion, selective abortion is a heinous crime against humanity. The Chinese can easily think us uncivilized because we don't know Chinese manners (which are actually pretty hard to learn), but we can think they uncivilized because of practices like these and others. It drives some of my Chinese (living in China native Chinese) friends crazy when I say that China has a barbaric civilization. =)

Wake up Mods, -1 Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939984)

Criticising a country because they can't afford regular abortions is a little hypocritical. If you are so concerned send em some ultrasound or whatever to determine sex and build some safe clinics.

Re:Hmm (1)

Valar (167606) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940006)

There's actually little evidence that the one child policy or communism made this problem any worse in China. It had been going on for a long time, as a result of it being a predominantly agricultural society.

Secondly, direct infanticide is fairly rare (a lot rarer than the American press would have you believe). Now, gender-select abortion, that's a huge issue.

Re:Hmm (0, Flamebait)

Trogre (513942) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940265)

I don't know. Is it any more than in countries that kill baby boys and girls if the mum finds them inconvenient?

Oblig (0, Redundant)

Monkeys!!! (831558) | more than 8 years ago | (#14938952)

In Soviet China, MMOG play you!

New Tagging System (0, Offtopic)

dcapel (913969) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939005)

It gave me the option of tagging the topic. I entered 'scary'. :/

Re:New Tagging System (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939017)

Yeah, I put in Orwellian.

Excellent advice (5, Funny)

the_other_one (178565) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939025)

in real life, Mao believed that deflowering virgins would help him live longer

All I need now is a steady stream of corsage bearing virgins.

Just one question: What do I do with the flowers?

Re:Excellent advice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939076)

Grind them up and mix them into a large vat of hot snake urine.

Re:Excellent advice (5, Informative)

Ekhymosis (949557) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939117)

Actually, it comes from an ancient Taoist belief. Not too sure exactly what, but the elderly men were deemed to be suffering from a lack of balance (Ying and Yang) so it was believed that the virgin woman would provide some counter to the ailments the elderly men were suffering. This is why back in the old days old men were always shagging young girls and hoarding virgins.

Gettin' some ying for their yang! (There goes my karma...)

Re:Excellent advice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939366)

If I had mod points, I'd probably give that a positive one, if nothing else to pull you out of negative karma (looks like that last offtopic mod left you posting at 0)

AC in case I get mod points any time soon

Behold! (3, Funny)

zephc (225327) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939064)

I have level 25 Narcing ability! I can tell the authorities in mere seconds if I see someone reading banned materials or thinking subversive thoughts!

Easy way to install rootkits onto computers (2, Insightful)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939113)

To monitor what people are doing on their computers.

Re:Easy way to install rootkits onto computers (2, Informative)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939301)

Insightful? Hardly. Believe it or not, China isn't some kind of Orwellian nightmare where everything you say or write is monitored by truncheon-dragging thugs, or by brains cloistered in the Ministry of Thoughtcrime, for that matter. Nowadays, you could parade around downtown Shanghai yelling "Down with the Party!" and people would care about as much as people in New York care about the drunk guy on the subway prophesizing the return of Jesus. Don't get me wrong--China's certainly no paradise for dissenting voices, but then, neither was America in the '60s and '70s. Frankly, I think you have a better chance of being spied on by the government today in America than you would in China.

That's not to excuse the ongoing horrors perpetrated by the Chinese government. But I'd really like to know where this popular conception comes from, of China as equivalent to North Korea or Zimbabwe.

Re:Easy way to install rootkits onto computers (0, Flamebait)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939455)

Anything in the way of proof for these assertations? I suspect it's just your hatred of all things American, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Re:Easy way to install rootkits onto computers (2, Informative)

pomo monster (873962) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939506)

I've got friends from Beijing, Shanghai, and Hong Kong whom I met in college. Having grown up in Ohio, living and talking with people with different perspectives really enlightened me as to what life is actually like for Chinese citizens today. I also happen to read a lot, and pay attention to a diverse set of media. I find The Economist [economist.com] particularly illuminating--read the articles in that section, and you can come away with a pretty good sense of what it's like to live in China.

BTW, what makes you think I hate America? I do know enough about China to know that I'd prefer to live here in New York, where the culture is much more tolerant. And thanks for "foe"-ing me for daring to challenge your preconceptions of China. How open-minded of you.

Re:Easy way to install rootkits onto computers (2, Insightful)

steelfood (895457) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939457)

Quite frankly, both the US and China are not particularly good places to live for one who values civil rights. Just say certain keywords loud enough in the US (I need not say which ones) and I'm certain the men in black suits will start paying attention.

However, the US isn't quite as experienced in these matters as China. My communications might get monitored for mentioning said keywords, but that doesn't mean the FBI or NSA is going to show up at my door and disappear me right away. It's just beginning to get bad in the US, but until the federal government does away with things like due process, it's nowhere near as bad as it is in China. Having rights slowly being taken away is not the same as having no rights to begin with.

The only advantage China has over the US (and what makes what you say true) is that China is enormous. Can't monitor everybody, so they go for the outspoken ones only.

Re:Easy way to install rootkits onto computers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939693)

having them taken away slowly may not be the same but either way you end up with no rights

GBLT Friendly? (1)

Zibara (910310) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939133)

Remember the whole GBLT-friendly controversey in World of Warcraft? I can only imagine what the situation must be like in this "game." I wonder what the GMs are like...

LGBT or GLBT, not GBLT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14940071)

You fucking ignoramus. What's GBLT? Is that a sandwich?

Re:LGBT or GLBT, not GBLT (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14940321)

STFU fag

You look more and more like everyone else.. (4, Funny)

ROBOKATZ (211768) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939243)

'Every time you are promoted to a higher level, your clothes will become more average,' he said. I'm pretty sure this isn't a translation screw up. The longer you grind, the more you look like everyone else.

And this is different from WoW in what way?

Re:You look more and more like everyone else.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939315)

Amen bro... I'm sick and tired of seeing every single raider decked out in the same gear...

Re:You look more and more like everyone else.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939700)

I'm sick and tired of seeing every single raider decked out in the same gear...

I'm sick and tired of WoW fuckheads thinking they're doing something new and interesting. Nothing but a bunch of shitbags and homos.

Re:You look more and more like everyone else.. (1)

Tedium Unleased (764661) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940427)

Good point - I played WoW for a few months... I had some nice (looking) sets of equipment around 15-35th level.. after that I sorta didn't like how my character looked anymore or how any other characters around my level looked even when I got to 60th.

Defining irony... (2, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939296)

...would be if all PC gamers in China were REQUIRED to play a few hours of this game a day.

Muha muahahahhhaahaaa

A good fit (4, Interesting)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939380)

Amazing how well the ideological absurdity of utopian communism finds its expression in the mechanics of a multi-player online game. Or maybe it's not that amazing. Surely you World of Warcraft players, engaged in the "grind" of leveling, have heard an Orwellian Animal Farm voice calling "Work is Fun. Fun is Work. Fun is Unfun." Co-operation and submission to the group is explicitly rewarded through "Guilds" and similar organizations.

Of course, not only is the gameplay of multi-player online games ideologically communist, but the mechanics of game economies are explicitly communist. They are planned economies. Gold farming and black markets are exactly the same phenomenon. The Chinese Socialist online game will be interesting to watch for observers due to this inevitablity. How will they deal with external and internal black markets? Will it be possible to distinguish countermeasures gameplay from reality as ingame countermeasures are taken?

Re:A good fit (1)

kvant (939634) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939905)

I bet they'll make the troublemakers... DISSAPEAR.

"win a 20 year tour to the nearest prison"

Talk about missing the point (3, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940116)

Amazing how the same lame sophistry dating all the way back to the first MUDs, and maybe even before, still gets spewed as if they were some deep revelation about humanity.

In fact, probably even before. I can imagine some "but I really want to start directly at the top of Pong's high score table" whiner sitting on the side and spewing rationalizations about how actually playing the game is "work", and how those poor Pong players got scammed into working in their free time and paying for it. (And make no mistake, playing arcade games used to cost a _lot_ more than 13$ a month.) Fast forward a bit in time and you find the same kind of people whining about how deluded people are to invest any kind of time or effort into their entertainment and, god forbid, to cooperate with other players.

That's all that levels, xp, epic equipment, or PvP ranks are: a way to keep the score, not all that different from Pong's or PacMan's high score table, or from a RL football team's rank in the leagues and championships. And some people "grind" for that score (in fact, for some trying to beat the high score _is_ the challenge and the fun), some people just play the game for what it is and let the score just happen on its own, and... some busibodies stay on the sideline and try to sound deeply philosophical in their lament about how sad it is that people put up with "having" to spend hours on their entertainment, or "having" to interact with other people or whole groups. (E.g., the group around the arcade machine.)

And yes, some form of coop play always existed even in those arcade machines. Ever since the first game got a fire button to mash, in addition to the directional joystick/trackball/whatever, I recall people "grouping" and having specialized "group roles" at the arcades. E.g., one would guide the character/ship/whatever around and dodge enemy fire, and one was mashing the fire button and dropping the AOE "bomb" at the right moment for maximum effect. I.e., using the modern MMO terms very loosely, one was the "tank" keeping the team from taking damage and one was the "damage dealer", even if noone used those words at the time. I.e., even when the game didn't actually offer the in-game mechanics for that, some found their own makeshift ways to cooperate and interact with other humans, regardless of how many others sit around and whine about how everyone else should be a loner.

Get this: it's not a matter of "work" or "grind" to some end. That's the actual game. It's ok if I "have" to spend some hours doing quests in WoW, because exactly that was the whole point and purpose in the first place: to waste some hours in a game. Gaining some level or armour piece at the end is just a virtual pat on the back, but the real purpose was to waste those hours in the first place. That's what entertainment is all about: filling your time with something better than staring at the walls.

It may surprise you, but it's not just MMOs. Actually _most_ of the RL passtimes need some time or effort, and most are someone else's "work". Do you enjoy tweaking your car? That's a mechanic's "work". Do you enjoy going dancing? A professional dancer would call that "work". Taking digital photos in the park with your cool new camera? Yep, pro photographers would call that "work". Play tennis or basketball with your friends? That's a pro athlete's "work". _Watch_ sports? Sports journalists do that for a living. Watch a movie and maybe discuss them with your pals? Yep, that's a movie reviewer's "work". Etc.

You'll notice that they also all involve some time spent on that hobby. E.g., a movie buff may spend hours a day "grinding" through movies on their DVD player. E.g., someone with a digital camera may "grind" for hours taking photos of squirrels in the park. Etc. Some of those, *gasp* may even involve "grouping" with people. E.g., going dancing with a couple of friends instead of doing it solo. Some of those *gasp* may involve joining some kind of a "guild". E.g., joining some photo community or whatever kind of association is the right one for their hobby.

It's not some outrageous new meme that MMOs have brainwashed people into accepting. It's something people did all along, for millenia.

In fact, the only thing that's stupid there isn't their doing "work" in their free time, it's pretending that you have a right to judge someone else's entertainment as "work" and try to sound so deep in lamenting it. It's not "grind", it's the whole game and the whole point of the exercise. People aren't made to sit and watch the walls, so the _whole_ purpose is to fill your time with whatever you find fun. For some it's gardening, for some it's taking digital photos, for some it's a round of Counter-Strike, and for some it's doing quests or killing small furry creatures in World Of Warcraft. Go figure.

If you don't like those games, or it bothers you so much that *gasp* a massively multi-player game has multi-player content, that's ok. Noone forces you to play any given game, if you prefer another. It's ok if you have different tastes. The world would be very very boring if we all liked the same things and played the same things. But then _do_ understand that it's a matter of personal taste. In other words, you can cut it out with the snotty "I'm so cool because my fun involves X, while you all are so pathetic for doing Y instead" kinda attitude.

If for you someone else's entertainment is "work", well, go do something else then. It's not like people will stop entertaining themselves only because your royal highness decreed that their entertainment is "work" and too social for your taste to boot.

Re:A good fit (3, Insightful)

jandersen (462034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940440)

Good heavens, man, is this really the best you can manage? Talk about displaying your ignorance. But perhaps this is the way Americans think? A quick comparison:


- in America the manifestation of anything evil, repressive or stupidly unrealistic is labelled 'communism'. Satan is a Communist, no doubt. Nobody knows why.

- in the rest of the world 'Communism' is a political viewpoint, something about sharing etc etc.


- in America the manifestation of anything good, true and beautiful. God is definitely a capitalist. Again, nobody really knows why this is the case, but if you ask wuaetions or express dissent, then you are a Communist!!

- in the rest of the world 'Capitalism' is another political viewpoint, something about money, but who really cares?


- in America, a synonym for 'capitalism', 'freedom' and doing what your priest/pastor/church leader tells you.

- in the rest of the world this is simply a method for choosing who should lead the country.

To an American an expression such as 'communist democracy' is an oxymoron, something that makes no sense. To the rest of the world this is not inherently contradictory, and indeed there are examples of countries that approach this - Denmark, Sweden and Norway have at times not been far from that.

The very strange and indeed scary thing is that America - or at least their president - think they have to go out in the world and teach everybody else how to think. But how can one even comtemplate such a thing when Americans are mentally so far from the rest of us?

Payback (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939419)

I will be spending all my time farming socks. I can hear them now, damm these American sock farmers.

LFM raid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939450)

LFM raid on Forbidden City meet in Tiananmen

Do we get to protest standing infront of tanks? (1)

ninji (703783) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939495)

We get to meet mao, do we get to protest at tiananmen square?

Re:Do we get to protest standing infront of tanks? (1)

eamonman (567383) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940402)

It would most definitely win the "first easter egg to incarcerate the entire dev team" award.

Balanced Economy? (3, Funny)

billysk8r (827793) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939640)

Another enticing feature in the socialist game is that the level 1 sock menders make the same gold/minute as the level 99 epic monster slayers!

Seriously, I want to try this! (4, Interesting)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939720)

This may sound messed up, but in an age of Yet Another "Madden" Football Game and Zombie Fragger 9 (or whatever), we finally have a game that piqued my interest. I'm not being ironic for once. I doubt there will be an English translation and even if there were, there wouldn't be US servers... but if there were, I really would consider trying it! I mean, it would be free for the people, right?

Doesn't anyone see how this could be fun? Yeah, mending socks doesn't sound like a thrill, but what do you do for XPs when you're weak in a commercial fantasy game? Endlessly stab chickens? How is that more fun? No, I think mending socks in a sweatshop that more of a feel of honest labor.

I think my talent would be in being a newspaper reporter for the government. I'd try my best to sound like this North Korean paper [kcna.co.jp]. Really, it would be a blast! And I bet there would be all sorts of neat quests, like stopping burglars, helping fishermen, getting a village to quit smoking... the sort of stuff that would be really refreshing after months of "deliver this scroll to Naldemor and you shall receive this +2 sword and lots of XP!" Yes, it would take a lot of creativity to make this game fun, but I guess I am one of these people who still appreciates creativity.

Re:Seriously, I want to try this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14939824)

Please look up the definition of Ironic, thanks. (I think you mean sarcastic)

translation mess up? (5, Informative)

SYSS Mouse (694626) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939753)

I read a news on tihs report in Chinese.

From this article "Every time you are promoted to a higher level, your clothes will become more average."

"More average" is not it is supposed to mean. That word should mean "simple".

Also, the title should read the Chinese Revolutionary MMO.This has to do with the person Lei Feng itself and the background at that time. "He was characterized by propaganda as a selfless and modest figure after his death and consequently was an idol to many." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_Feng [wikipedia.org]

He is protrayed as a selfless person, including his accidential death at 22. A quote from him: "Life is limited, but the service to the country is boundless. I want to use my limited life to boundless serve the country."

It was the time whe loyality to the party that matter's most. In was in the 1950 and 60's in the history, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution [wikipedia.org]

Score one for propaganda (4, Funny)

aendeuryu (844048) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939856)

I really hate it when governments try to sneak propaganda into computer games. This indoctrination of youth is really creepy. You're never going to see me advocating or playing a game like this. Those Chinese are just so... so... sinister.

[/goes back to playing America's Army]

What about the end boss? (1)

Langfat (953252) | more than 8 years ago | (#14939966)

I can just picture a giant Dalai Lama breathing fire and throwing his nobel peace prize at you...

But it's missing something (1)

moochfish (822730) | more than 8 years ago | (#14940246)

Wait, mend socks?? But then how do I gold farm? How can I sell my clothes once I get it to look like everybody else's?
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