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Green Geek Beer

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the envirobeer dept.

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DigiDave writes "A time honored tradition on St Patty's Day is to drink green beer. But some breweries go out of their way to make sure that the brewskies we drink are always green, by using environmentally friendly brewing methods. The makers of Fat Tire, for example, use a cogeneration process that involves anaerobic bacteria turning wastewater into methane gas for power."

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So much for current events... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947190)

St. Paddy's was yesterday.

Re:So much for current events... (2, Funny)

porl (932021) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947254)

I thought the title was "Green Greek Bear"... curse my blurry monitor!!! :)

Now that i think of it, that would be cool... :)

Re:So much for current events... (1)

John_Booty (149925) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947556)

You mean this isn't "News For Greeks..." ?

Re:So much for current events... (1)

AndreiK (908718) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947561)

The Green Greek Bear, sponsoring the college frat tradition of drinking 'til you're green!

Re:So much for current events... (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947786)

Not surprisingly, Zonk seems to be living in a world of his own. On Thursday, March 16 he posted the Gnome 2.14 story that started "Beware the Ides of March..." (Here's a clue, Zonk. The Ides of March is March 15). Then he posts this St. Patty's Day story on Saturday, March 18 (Another clue, Zonk. St Patty's Day fell on Friday, March 17 this year). It's really not that difficult to keep up on which day of the week it is, especially if you're trying to post topically relevent information for your job...

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Re:GNAA Announces OneNigger Suite of Trolling Util (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947287)

We're talking about beer on st. patrick's day here! Is nothing sacred to you? I am going to IMDb to change my rating of "gay niggers from outerspace" from a 10 to a 1 for this sacreligious act.

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St Patty's day (3, Insightful)

mark2003 (632879) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947197)

St Patty?

Maybe someone is still struggling after a few too many beers?

I'm not sure I would call this a time honoured tradition either - I'd never even heard of green beer until I went to the US. I'd never seen it either in Ireland or any of the Irish (and I mean real Irish pubs in Kilburn owned by Irish landlords full of first generation Irish people or Irish people working temporarily in London) pubs in the UK I've been to on St Patricks day.

Re:St Patty's day (1)

mark2003 (632879) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947201)

It is great though to see companies looking to minimise their environmental impact.

Re:St Patty's day (1)

paeanblack (191171) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947358)

Throwaway from "The Fugitive":

If they can dye the river green for St. Patty's Day, why can't they dye it blue every other day of the year?

Re:St Patty's day (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947490)

It's St. PADDY's Day, FFS.

Unless you want to be proper, then use St. Patrick's Day instead.

Re:St Patty's day (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947538)

Did you have to let grow of the tree you were hugging to type this driveling piece of shit observation? Dickless shmuck.

Re:St Patty's day (1, Insightful)

Erchie (103202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947220)

Take it from an Irishman-- no fucking mick with his balls still intact would ever drink GREEN beer. It's either stout, or Harps (or insert your own local Irish pub on-tap beer here, countrymen) or nothing at all (unless of course, it's Irish whisky). Eire go brach! Furthermore, there are those who think Bush is of Irish descent-- well, if any ancestor of Mr. Bush came from Ireland, they were probably exported to another country to make bacon or ham. When are you Yanks going to do the same to Mr. Bush? Isn't it time yet? What a wanker!

Re:St Patty's day (3, Interesting)

waferhead (557795) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947232)

From a second generation Irish/American who spent a few years in Portland, Oregon...

Try Fat Tire, and DEFINATELY get to a McMennamins and try Terminator Stout.
(They frequently have a "special" version (can't recall what it was called) that would rip yer head off.)

Go to Portland if you get a chance, I'tll be sorta like home, only with more guys wearing leather walking their boyfreinds downtown on dog chains.

Only wetter.

And I personally suspect Mad Cow, rather than any pork issues.

Re:St Patty's day (0, Flamebait)

veeoh (444683) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947436)

ahh,

you are one of those plastic "oooh im really irish" people.

Oh dear.

Re:St Patty's day (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947559)

Harps (sic)? If you really were Irish, you'd know that Harp hasn't been widely available for years in the Republic and is generally considered to be the Irish equivalent of Fosters.

Re:St Patty's day (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947891)

haha pwnt, you fake mick faggot!

Re:St Patty's day (0)

ToasterofDOOM (878240) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947871)

Hell, I've never heard of it and I've lived in the US all my life!

Pitching in (4, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947199)

Each of us should be taking local actions to do our part for the planet. For example, I've been using my own anaerobic process to turn beer into methane gas for many years now.

Re:Pitching in (2, Funny)

waferhead (557795) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947218)

And me with no mod points...

Re:Pitching in (1)

aurb (674003) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947315)

You don't need mod points for this anaerobic process, do you?

Re:Pitching in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947323)

Well, this is off-topic, but I almost shat myself when I saw all those geeks discussing snails on pages upon pages of mindless dribble at http://www.seaslugforum.net/ [seaslugforum.net]

Am I a bad person that I do not see the attraction? I suppose snails:biologists is much like beer:programmers?

http://www.seaslugforum.net/ [seaslugforum.net]

Re:Pitching in (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947528)

You do realise that Methane gas is a much more potent greenhouse gas then CO2, so you'd better have a tube stuck up your arse to capture it if you want to do your bit for the planet. :P

Re:Pitching in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947822)

Well, I need no special apparatus. I have been producing methane from Indian curry and beer for years!

Fat Tire (4, Interesting)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947206)

Fat Tire is pretty good. It's not recommended if you ever plan to go back to Bud. Some people don't like a sweet beer, but then some people don't like chocolate either. Ignore those mutants and grab a nice mug if you're in the southern Midwest sometime.

Re:Fat Tire (4, Interesting)

jbrader (697703) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947219)

Why the southern midwest? I live in Tacoma Washington and the Fat Tire flows like water around here.

Re:Fat Tire (2, Informative)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947225)

American beer is *gaasp* improving to the point that some of it is even drinkable, certainly the local stuff in New England.

While the mass produced crap deserves it's repuation as being better after urination than before, so does European mass produced beer in the large part. Things like Concorde Pale Ale are not quite up to snuff compared to Fursty Ferret (partly due to the instance on selling it chilled, which impairs the flavour), but it's a hell of a lot better than the canned sewerage output they sell as John Smiths.

Re:Fat Tire (4, Insightful)

paeanblack (191171) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947404)

While the mass produced crap deserves it's repuation as being better after urination than before

I brew my own but also drink that "mass produced crap". I used to be a beer snob, but over the years, I've learn that that "crap" has alot going for it.

-I can get it anywhere...any country, any state, any town I'm in, and I don't even need to ask. I know they have it.
-Usually, I'm really just looking for something cold and wet.
-Usually, the beer is just an accessory to the journey; it's not the destination. I'm more interesting in what's going on around me.
-It is still booze. After a few drinks, it doesn't matter what you are drinking.

and most importantly...

-Mass produced beers don't attract a gaggle of shallow buffoons that judge people by what they drink.

Re:Fat Tire (2, Insightful)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947629)


-Mass produced beers don't attract a gaggle of shallow buffoons that judge people by what they drink.


It's better than that. 'Mass produced' beers repel that type of cretin.

Re:Fat Tire (1)

dabigpaybackski (772131) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947637)

American beer is *gaasp* improving to the point that some of it is even drinkable, certainly the local stuff in New England.

Actually, American beer has improved to the point where the stuff brewed right in town is so good that only a select few foreign beers (Chimay, Franziskaner, Budvar) even warrant my attention anymore. The emerging truth is that as long as you have a good beer distributer nearby, you can get domestic beer that is the envy of the world.

Of course, living in New England or the West Coast greatly ameliorates the microbrew procurement process. I live in Oregon. Thanks in no small part to the beer selection, I cannot imagine living anywhere else. Now if only the locals would get cracking on a good Budvar equivalent...

Re:Fat Tire (5, Informative)

kklein (900361) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947251)

SOUTHERN MIDWEST???

I beg your pardon, sir, but the noble brew of which you speak is lovingly manufactured in Fort Collins, Colorado, roughly 30 minutes south of the Wyoming border.

http://www.newbelgium.com/ [newbelgium.com]

If you're ever in the area, I heartily recommend their free brewery tour. You learn a lot about beer, and at the end you are given a little glass of each of their brews in a fun and chatty atmosphere. It's a great free day date in Fort Collins. Afterwards, you can head back the road into Old Town for great food and a plethora of great bars, all within picturesque walking distance.

I recommend The Crown Pub (on College) and the Rio Grande (on Mountain) for food/drinks, and Elliot's martini bar (on Linden) for drinks. Finish your drunken evening off at Walrus ice cream (on Mountain, next to the Rio), enjoying their homemade deliciousness.

Oh, and personally, I prefer New Belgium's Sunshine Wheat to Fat Tire, mostly because hoppy beers like Fat Tire give me terrible acid reflux, although they are tasty.

Come on, everyone! Let's enjoy Fort Collins!

This message NOT paid for by the Fort Collins tourism board or chamber of commerce. My Japanese-language historical walking tours of Old Town have also ended, due to the fact that I don't live there anymore.

Re:Fat Tire (1)

blanktek (177640) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947398)

I second the recommendation on the tour. Not something to go too far out of your way for but if you are in the area, this is a sweet way to enjoy good beer. If you feel like trying something new, you might be able to have a taste of La Folie if you ask.
http://www.newbelgium.com/beers_lf.php [newbelgium.com]
It is unlike anything I've ever tried.

Re:Fat Tire (1)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947430)

My definition of "southern midwest" is everything east of the Rockies, west of Ohio, and south of Iowa. Please correct me if this is not acceptable.

Re:Fat Tire (1)

supasam (658359) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947739)

The lower edge of the midwest is kansas/missouri, and the western edge is kansas/nebraska and the dakotas.

Fat Tire...why? (1)

smvp6459 (896580) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947269)

I'm not trolling or hating, I'm actually curious what people like about Fat Tire. I've found it ok but nothing to write home. Just for background...I'm no beer idiot I lived in Seattle, had multiple growlers, bought tons of local brew, worked on a local beer taste, and now that I've moved away to less beer-friendly place I brew my own beer in order to have some of the less common and interesting beers I could buy in Washington.

So what is it people like so much about Fat Tire? Is it that it's an ok beer that you can pick up at most stores? Is it that New Belgium isn't evil? Is it that most people don't have easy access to actual Belgian beers and New Belgium's stuff is lower in price and more widely available?

So what's the deal?

Re:Fat Tire...why? (1)

rm999 (775449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947280)

I actually really like fat tire, and I never knew that it was green until now - that only makes it cooler. When I see it in a bar here in SoCal, I always order a pint.

Describing why I like it is difficult. I'm not going to turn into one of those beer snobs and describe is with words like "hints of" and "burnt chocolate" because I hate people who say that. If you don't like it, don't drink it - I don't like several beers and I don't drink them. One of the things I really enjoy about going to new bars and places is trying the new beers and deciding for myself if I like them. Trusting other people on what beers are good is just missing opportunities to try new things IMO.

Re:Fat Tire...why? (1)

Dan Farina (711066) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947284)

On the other side of the coin, it's also "just" sparing yourself dozens of bad beers for every good one, or trying to.

Re:Fat Tire (1)

Bazer (760541) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947534)

Some people don't like a sweet beer, but then some people don't like chocolate either. Ignore those mutants and grab a nice mug if you're in the southern Midwest sometime.

That's like the whole Europe you just turned into a post-apocalyptic wasteland filled with "bitter"-beer-guzzling mutants.

Oh well, pig-rat's what's for dinner followed by a couple pints of Guiness.

erm (1)

BitterAndDrunk (799378) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947815)

Fat Tire is a Denver beer.
And I personally don't like it at all. It's bland. Not very hoppy, not very malty. Reminds me of Newcastle - just not much personality in it.

Give me a Bell's any day of the week. Or hell, even a Sierra Nevada. But Fat Tire. . meh. Overhyped and overpriced.

Beer? (3, Funny)

fred911 (83970) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947211)

"use a cogeneration process that involves anaerobic bacteria turning wastewater"

in (state side) domestic beer.

  move on ... nothing new here:-)

Public Health Warning - Tourist Advisary (4, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947212)

If you are in Boston at this time of year DO NOT respond when people introduce themselves as "Irish-American" with "Nice to meet you, I'm a Saxon-Norman-Viking-Dutch-Englishman". Breaking them out of their fantasy world may result in you spending the night in the gutter looking for your teeth instead of getting personally aquainted with a drunk BU chick who can't tell the difference between a Home Counties and Irish Counties accent.

Re:Public Health Warning - Tourist Advisary (1)

barefootgenius (926803) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947271)

When I was in Ireland the Irish American tourists really got up the locals noses. I think the general consensus was that they were, "a bunch of pillarcs". I was amazed at the anti American sentiment there, but I never figured out just what the U.S. had done to deserve it.

Re:Public Health Warning - Tourist Advisary (1)

LS (57954) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947325)

what is a pillarc?

Re:Public Health Warning - Tourist Advisary (1)

madhippy (525384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947414)

a pillock?

Re:Public Health Warning - Tourist Advisary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947557)

A pillarc is the path made by a thrown pill.

Duh!

Re:Public Health Warning - Tourist Advisary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947612)

Maybe because americans pose next to graves of "relatives" and take pictures of themselves?
They're pretty disrespectful.

Re:Public Health Warning - Tourist Advisary (1)

supertsaar (540181) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947772)

Not sure about american tourists in Ireland, but here in Amsterdam some walk around like they own the place. This upsets people.
General attitude towards tourists here is not very good though, in stead of being proud that so many people want to come here (well, the people that look beyond semi-legal marihuana and prostitution anyways) we treat most tourists badly.
Sorry about that!
But to stay slightly on topic: if you want some eco-friendly beer in Amsterdam, check this place out. [brouwerijhetij.nl]

What does "Irish-American" mean anyway? (1)

fantomas (94850) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947855)

Genuinely confused. Does it mean having "one ancestor from Ireland five generations back" or "at least 50% of grandparents born in Ireland" or what?

I was born in England, got a southern English accent, but using the above suggested definitions, well in the first case (one ancestor five generations back) maybe you could call me "Spanish-English" (apparently one of my great great grandfathers married a Spanish girl). Or in the second case, two of my grandparents were born and bred Scots, my mum spent a lot of her time growing up there during the war, my mum's side is definitely Scots, I've still got a great aunt there etc, so maybe I am Scots-English.. .though if I opened my mouth in most of the bars in Scotland and announced I was Scottish I'd get it kicked in pretty fast with my accent or at least laughed at.


How does this all work in the USA? Is it a feature of "new world" countries with people keen to find their roots past a couple of generations back? Why aren't people just happy to say they are American if both their parents were born there? (not flamebait, genuine curiousity about people's motivations...)

Paddy's Day (5, Informative)

Hrungnir (682279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947213)

Patty is a girls name

Its spelled St. Paddy's Day if you're gonna abbreviate it.

Patty is short for Patricia.
Paddy is short for Patrick because the gaelic name is Padraig.

Why does everyone insist on calling St. Patrick a woman?

Re:Paddy's Day (0)

Erchie (103202) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947235)

Furthermore, Padraig is pronounced "Porrick"-- just to set the record straight. Now, give me a Midleton. Oh, to be back in Ireland!

Re:Paddy's Day (1)

alfrin (858861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947244)

I just have one question, do you feel like a nerd yet?

Re:Paddy's Day (3, Funny)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947248)

Since he was a priest he didn't use it anyway. He may as well have been a woman.

Re:Paddy's Day (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947648)

Also, St. Patrick is venerated for 'driving the snakes out of Ireland.' Whereas, the snakes are symbolic for the druids. So he was a religious extremeist who worked to wipe out the indigenous pagan religion.

Everybody should be clear about this before deciding to celebrate his day or not.

Re:Paddy's Day (1)

andygood (244363) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947713)

Just out of interest, 'St Patty' (WTF?) lived from roughly 390AD to 464AD [catholic-forum.com] . The whole celibacy thing wasn't brought in until about six hundred years later in 1022AD by Pope Benedict VIII [libchrist.com] ...

I'll bet our 'Holy Saint' was ridin' all around him as he slaughtered the local yokels (druids)... ;-P

Re:Paddy's Day (3, Informative)

crache (654516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947301)

If were getting specific, his name wasn't even patrick. Born Maewyn Succat, and not even in Ireland! His name was later romanized as Patricius, after he became christian.

maybe he didn't really care for all this glamour.. (1)

nephridium (928664) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947378)

and just wanted to be a lumberjack lee[ing from tree to tree, who sleeps all night and works all day and likes to put on women's clothing and hang around in bars...

Re:Paddy's Day (1)

XchristX (839963) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947607)

>>Paddy is short for Patrick
Tell that to "Pat" Robertson.

Green beer!!!!?!? (5, Funny)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947236)

Seriously, if you tried giving anyone beer than had been dyed green in Ireland, you'd be introduced to that other tradtitional Irish custom of having your head smashed against the bar.

Re:Green beer!!!!?!? (1)

GenieGenieGenie (942725) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947354)

Um, I'm pretty sure nobody was referring to the color of the beverage. But, on a similar note, I think what's even more revolutionary is that they developed a friendly method. Imagine that - you come into your brewery and the method comes up to you and says "Howdy, Sam! Wanna be friends?"

Re:Green beer!!!!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947476)

Um, I'm pretty sure nobody was referring to the color of the beverage.

So... what is it that you think they were referring to?

I've tried googling and as far as I can tell, Americans sometimes dye their beer green, to the bewilderment of everyone else. I guess it's just one of those local er... delicacies.

If it means something else then let us know what it is.

Re:Green beer!!!!?!? (1)

supasam (658359) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947758)

It's "green" as in "environmentally friendly." Green pastures and blue skies because everything is clean and everything dies a natural death at the end of a long healthy life with no pain or discomfort. The sun shines always and there's only a cloud if your looking to make shapes out of them. You know, green.

Re:Green beer!!!!?!? (2, Funny)

ozbird (127571) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947934)

American tourist: Bartender, what do you drink on St. Patrick's Day?
Irish bartender: Green beer, of course.
American tourist: No way! I've got to try me one of those!
Irish bartender: [hands tourist a Guinness]
American tourist: Um, are you sure this is green?
Irish bartender: It's a bit dark, but it's green to be sure.
American tourist: Gee, wait 'til I tell the folks back home!

And thus a great Irish joke was born...

Most breweries do.. (4, Informative)

Zenethian (873096) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947241)

Anheuser-Busch does the same thing with it's BERS program. Takes all its wastewater and manages microbiological reactions in it to produce mostly clean water and CO2 (for bottling) and Methane to power the boilers. In fact they produce almost all of their own power in several breweries. This isn't anything new.

Re:Most breweries do.. (2, Funny)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947381)

If Anheuser-Busch is the only other brewery doing it then sure it's something new. Because Fat Tire actually tastes good.

Re:Most breweries do.. (1)

Bing Tsher E (943915) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947655)

So does Pepsi. So what's your point?

Re:Most breweries do.. (1)

SneezyKevinA (945912) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947680)

Anheuser-Busch does not make beer, they make poorly flavored water!

I make my own home brew and one of the things I do is collect all of my used water and use it for other things, dishes, fill the clothes washer....

It's good to be green and it's impressive to see any brewery take the step to do this.

Beginning of a Trend (1)

Zibara (910310) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947246)

I see this as the beginning of a trend of colored seasonal beers. Green beer for St. Patrick's Day....perhaps an orange beer for Halloween! Or a yearround Red, White, and Blue multipurpose patriotic beer! Ah, the marvels of modern science.

For the love of God It's not St. Patty! (1)

giginger (825703) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947256)

Why all of sudden, starting this year, is everyone saying St. Patty? It has, and never will be, St. Patty. It's St. Paddy. Patty is short for Patricia. Paddy is short for Patrick. I don't know what idiot started saying St. Patty but it's irking me something chronic.

Re:For the love of God It's not St. Patty! (2, Insightful)

rm999 (775449) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947282)

I agree with you, but just so you know:
"Patty is short for Patricia. Paddy is short for Patrick"
is not the most intuitive statement in the world :)

Re:For the love of God It's not St. Patty! (1)

giginger (825703) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947317)

Haha, you've got a point.
I wrote it in the heat of the moment! :)

Brewskies? wtf??? (1)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947273)

apart from the ridiculous St.Patty's goof, what the fsck is a "Brewskie"??? and I thought the Australians were getting silly with their corruptions of perfectly good words...

Re:Brewskies? wtf??? (1)

crache (654516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947313)

eh, do a google for "st. paddy's day" and "st. patty's day"
patty has twice as much, and his original christian name was patricius.

Real "Green" Beer (2, Interesting)

geln12 (789258) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947307)

I assumed something like Wasabi Ale [google.com] .....
#Miyamori Wasabi Beer at [ratebeer.com]

Drink the right beer! (5, Interesting)

riflemann (190895) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947327)

Most people associate beer with cheap piss, generally only drinking it as a social lubricant and really ignoring the true flavours of the beer. That's true for just about any mass-produced beer (VB, Fosters, Bud, Miller, Heineken).

Go out and trying a real beer for once, and not just Guinness on St Pats (arguably not that great a beer). Some of the world's greatest beers [beeradvocate.com] are quite accessible and will blow your socks off with their complexity and flavour.

Similar to wine coinnoseurs, there are also those who are (mostly self-professed) experts in beer, preferring something good like a trappist beer [wikipedia.org] with their meal to wine, and deservingly so. A properly brewed beer's a lot more interesting to have with a meal than wine, and there's infinitely more variety.

Heineken is not a good beer. Really. In Holland it's considered mediocre. If you see a beer everywhere, then it's mosty likely crap. Stella's pissy too. Budvar, Pilsener Urquell, Hertog Jan...they're ok for lagers.

A coding session's a heck of a lot more enjoyable when combined with a decent brew. But be careful, too good a beer will distract! Some of my best output's come after having a good Belgian [wikipedia.org] .

Seriously. Go down to your nearest large speciality bottle shop/liquor store and find a few bottles of the higher rated beers [beeradvocate.com] that you can find. Drink them, out of the proper glassware and at the right temperature then you'll never go back to a macro again. It could get more expensive, but damn it's worth it. A hint - drink light-coloured beers in warmer weather and darker ones in cool weather.

And then you can have good beer all the time.

Re:Drink the right beer! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947355)

How convenient that most of the "top 100 beer" seems to be North American according to that North American website. I have serious reservations of the objectivity of their claims.

That word, "world". I do not think it means what they think it means.

Re:Drink the right beer! (2, Informative)

riflemann (190895) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947484)

Actually, you might be surprised that there's a growing trend for small dedicated breweries in America. I don't drink American beers, but given the population in the states, surely someone is tryign to brew good beer. You'd have to look harder than your local cheap liquor store to find them though.

Anyway, it doesnt have to be widely available in the states to be good. The number one beer in the world, Westvleteren [wikipedia.org] , is only sold in small quantities at the gates of a small monastery in a remote corner of Belgium. That's far from America, but it still gets the title of number one.

So yeah, American beers dominate the list, but any beer in the world can make it to the list if it's good.

Re:Drink the right beer! (1)

IceFreak2000 (564869) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947721)

Meh. A top 100 beers list that manages to ignore the mighty Newcastle Brown Ale [newcastlebrown.com] ? Pants....

Re:Drink the right beer! (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947844)

It may be extremely good in Britan, but in the U.S. it's just OK. Not bad, but not incredibly good either. I've tasted many brown ales that were much better, such as Ithaca Nut Brown.

It may be the "Guinness Effect" - From what I've heard, Guinness is much better in Ireland than it is on this side of the pond, most likely due to shipping, or differences in recipe for American tastes.

Actually, I think I recall seeing that the Guinness sold in the U.S. is brewed somewhere in the U.S. The brewery is owned and operated by the same people, but if they are using the same recipe as in Ireland and not tweaking it to take into account differences in the local water and other environmental effects, it won't be the same even if the recipe is.

If you avoid the mass produced crap, there are lots of excellent beers in the U.S. Even some of the larger breweries like Sam Adams and Sierra Nevada are pretty decent, although the best beers can usually only be found within a few miles of their brewery. For example, beer from Harvest Moon in New Brunswick, NJ can only be bought at the brewpub due to New Jersey laws regarding brewpubs and microbreweries. (Brewpubs can serve on premises but may not distribute, microbreweries are just the opposite. It's a weird and annoying law.) Wagner Valley Brewery (part of Wagner Vineyards in Lodi, NY) has an incredible doppelbock, but even though there is nothing in New York law that prevents Wagner from distributing, the only ways to get their beer seem to be going to the brewery or having it shipped directly from them.

If you live in the U.S., I strongly reccommend checking out your local breweries. Even if you dislike "beer" (as sold by the crap breweries), you may be pleasantly surprised at the local micros. For one thing, almost all of the major brews are pilsners, in my case I discovered that I just don't like pilsners no matter how well they are brewed. Your tastes may run towards other varieties, like wheat beer, stouts, or porters. Guinness is the most well known example of a stout, but it's an extremely bitter one that has been heavily hopped. Some other stouts have almost no hops at all and have a very different smooth and creamy taste, such as Ithaca Stout and Bar Harbor Cadillac Mountain Stout (from the Bar Harbor Brewing Company in Bar Harbor, ME. BH beers are not available anywhere other than in the area around Bar Harbor itself, so if you ever go hiking in Acadia National Park, stop at the three breweries on the island.)

Re:Drink the right beer! (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947850)

Newcastle's not that good but better than Samuel Smith Oatmeal (which surprisingly made the list). Obviously an arbitrary list though not a bad selection I suppose.

Re:Drink the right beer! (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947741)

If you see a beer everywhere, then it's mosty likely crap.

Why must anything a lot of people like be awful? Does obscurity make something better? Seems to be a common geek thing.

Wait, now there's the problem coming to a head... if a lot of people take the obscure view, and it becomes popular to think that way, then I guess you can't think that way anymore, and you have to like what's popular. Which recurses. What a difficult situation.

Maybe people should just have their own taste, and you can keep pretending you are arbitrarily right in your opinions, but maybe be a little quieter about the condescension.

From a beer connoisseur! (1)

rubypossum (693765) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947755)

As a beer "connoisseur", I can honestly attest that Heinken is horrible here in the states but in the Netherlands it's actually quite good. I mean, not as good as most of the other beers in the Netherlands but a lot better than it is here. Unlike American Budweiser (as opposed to Czech Budweiser, which isn't bad). I live in Missouri, about an hour from the Budweiser brewery and Budweiser is still terrible.

Same thing with Guinness, it's not nearly as good here as it is in Ireland. My guess is it ferments a bit on the ship over here.

All the Austrialians I've talked to about it have told me that Fosters is "Austrialian for pisswater" and the country has some fantastic beers. I haven't yet been able to try them, but I don't doubt it.

My current favorite U.S. beer is 1554 from the New Belgium Brewing Company out of Ft. Collins. It's the closest thing I've been able to find to good beer outside of Belgium. But then, I like a nice dark beer.

Why is it that you only find crap American beers in Europe? Maybe for the same reasons we get Fosters here? I can't imagine, I've been in every country in the EU and you rarely see more than Miller Genuine Draft and Budweiser over there. Two of the middle-worst beers in the states. Maybe we could one-up the Aussies on bad beer by exporting Pappy's Blue Ribbon, Stag, Keystone or Milwakee's Best? In fact I say it's our duty as Americans. If every country is competing to export the dog nastiest beer. I say America has a technological advantage is this field.

Guiness (3, Informative)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947363)

Anyone who doesn't drink Guiness on St Guiness' day has only thems elves to blame.

Re:Guiness (1)

merc (115854) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947705)

Is that anything like Guinness? If so, I must try some (though it looks like you've had a few already yourself ;-)

brewskies? (1)

Luke Psywalker (869266) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947369)

You must be Bulgarian.

Green Beer? (1)

Don_dumb (927108) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947376)

What the hell? Guinness for fecks sake. And make sure it is poured properly as well.

Exactly where is this a tradition?

Fat Tire is a great beer... (3, Interesting)

ayjay29 (144994) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947425)

I was in Seattle a while ago, and was advised by all the locals to try the beers from the micro-breweries (after trying Bud-Light i was weary of beers from the other side of the Atlantic).

After trying a few brands (some OK, some not so OK), i tried Fat Tire [newbelgium.com] , and it was the best beer i've had in a long time.

(Coming from Yourshire in England, I'm usually a bit weary when it comes to sampling beers not brewed within 50 miles of where I was born...)

Re:Fat Tire is a great beer... (1)

smoker2 (750216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947551)

I'll say this only once, because it seems it's becoming a habit on /.

Weary means tired
Wary means cautious.

Message ends.

Re:Fat Tire is a great beer... (1)

anarchyboy (720565) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947688)

And he could have used either one in that sentance so i don't see the problem.

Good beer isn't cheap (3, Informative)

toxic666 (529648) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947452)

And cheap beer isn't good. Ahh, brewing, water and energy -- enough to spark an old geologist's interest; I homebrew from grain and got up early to knock out an ESB.

Brooklyn and New Belgium are both good breweries in that they use REAL grains (mostly malted barley) instead of the cheap and tasteless adjuncts (rice, corn) that make up 50% of cheap American swill. That alone is worthy of support.

But seeing them spend more money to be environmentally friendly is truly impressive. It takes a lot of enery to brew -- the grain must soak in 150F water (the mash), then be rinsed with 170F water to wash out the maltose (the lauter) and finally that resultant wort boiled for 60 - 120 minutes. That ain't cheap. Geting rid of the spent grains through farms is not unusual for small breweries -- but it is cheaper than landfill disposal costs. The wastewater treatment is not cheap either, because brewing produces a lot of it -- rich in yeast and sanitizing chemicals. However, most brewers just drop it into the sewer system.

It's not only admirable, but impressive that these breweries can keep costs in line while going the extra mile in energy and water treatment.

Re:Good beer isn't cheap (1)

Domstersch (737775) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947765)

The wastewater treatment is not cheap either, because brewing produces a lot of it -- rich in yeast...
I don't know about the wastewater per se, but leftover yeast from the fermentation process is in high demand. The yeast is used for a number of batches but eventually produces a different taste. What happens then?

Well, in the antipodes at least, the yeast is used in quite a few food products - Marmite [wikipedia.org] most noticably, but there's these great chips(/crisps, whatever) called GrainWaves with the euphemistic 'yeast extract' in them (the french list of ingredients spells out where the yeast came from). I know one particularly excellent brewery [speights.co.nz] has a close relationship with Sanitarium.

So, yeah. Yum.

If you think green beer is good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947469)

this stuff leaves green beer standing - pity its only 15% though - and only in the German colours.

http://www.spiegel.de/unispiegel/wunderbar/0,1518, 402259,00.html [spiegel.de]

(article in german but the picture is cool (if you took the geeks out))

Green Geek Beer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947492)

This must be good stuff. I'm already seeing double e's everywhere...

But... (2, Insightful)

demonlapin (527802) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947689)

Much is made here of how "green" they are to use wind power. Unfortunately energy, like money and oil, is fungible.

It is quite easy to say that you only use type X of a commodity - whether it's wind power for your electricity, non-(country of choice) oil for your gasoline, or lottery money for your state's education budget. It doesn't change the fact that everyone ELSE out there doesn't care what your source is - in the aggregate, the total amount of stuff is essentially not affected by you.

Short version: just because Bklyn Brewery uses "only wind power" doesn't mean they've affected total fossil fuel consumption a whit, because any deficit between (total wind power produced) and (total power needed) will be made up by fossil or nuclear, whether the BB chooses to pay extra or not. IOW, Con Ed has chosen to use wind for a certain amount of generating capacity. Since it's very cheap energy when it's flowing, they'd be foolish not to use it anyway to lower the amount of fossil or nuclear they need to use. All this amounts to is having consumers subsidize Con Ed's bottom line. Fine if you want to do it, but don't think it's doing the world some great favor. (The wastewater item is completely different. That is a meaningful Green idea, because it uses locally made, locally available resources to extract something valuable and reduce pollution at the same time.)

Re:But... (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947900)

who only uses lottery money for education? and just how is that good?

Beer geeks speak out (3, Informative)

merc (115854) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947702)

I get a kick out of St. Patty's day when laymen refer to green beer in the most literal sense.

In a lager brewing process the post-fermented wort is sometimes referred to as "green beer", which is the beer before a secondary fermentation process commences (conditioning, lagering, etc.)

As a side note it would be interesting to know how many tech-geeks extend their geektitude into the realm of brewing or zymurgy?

And I... (1)

Andy Gardner (850877) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947805)

get a kick out of St. Paddy's day when people refer to it as St. Patty's day.

Re:Beer geeks speak out (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947866)

It seems like quite a few. Brewing is definately a hobby with geek appeal. Chemical engineering, mechanical engineering (building equipment), and even electrical engineering (temperature control, etc) are all part of the process. :)

Pick me (1)

toxic666 (529648) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947933)

I brew from grain; it's all about that fine-tuning of recipes to make something I enjoy and can share with friends. It's a weekly get-together for a group of us.

But why stop there? I also make wine, although only from kits. You can get very interesting wines in kits that can be VERY expensive (e.g. Amarone, Viognier) from the vinyards. At $3 - $4 per bottle.

I most enjoy aged vinegar. Commercial vinegar is another travesty, being made from cheap, flavorless ingredients like cane and beet sugar. Try making a Trappist ale and then adding acetobacter for a magnificent malt vinegar. I also have a balsamic vinegar aging (2004 harvest Malvasia grape wine, a little of this that and the other red wines, three oaks, sugar maple, cherry, apple and pecan woods). That will take five years before it begins to taste like the real thing. It's a lot of work to destem, crush and press the grapes, but worth it for something that would sell for $100 US per 200 ml bottle.

Zero sum game (1)

nobleheath (946809) | more than 8 years ago | (#14947804)

Um, I thought that yeast took in sugar and produced alcohol + carbon dioxide. So they aren't buring fossil fuels, but their still producing green house gasses anyway. Not to mention that most people talk a lot of shit after a few too many beers and every one knows that methane is a more potent green house gas. By hte way, I've had a "few" beers and right now, I dont really give a green house gas.

There is a real green beer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14947829)

called Berlinerweisse (not much to do with Ireland, I'm afraid).

In truth, the beer isn't green but it traditionally has a syrup added to it made from woodruff which gives it a greenish tinge. It is an awesome beer if you can ever get (or make) some. It's actually a sour beer though, so not necessarily a beer for all.

I have 5 gallons of the stuff sitting in my kitchen waiting to be bottled :-)
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