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Opera Software Co-Founder Passes Away

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the rest-in-peace dept.

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worb writes "One of the two founders of Opera Software, Geir Ivarsoy, recently passed away after a long battle with cancer. His funeral yesterday was attended by Opera employees who paid their last respects to their former lead programmer. While Opera hasn't had the same success as Firefox on the desktop, it has had considerable success in the mobile phone market due to its speed and small footprint, combined with excellent standards compliance and innovative features."

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In related news... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948439)

The Mozilla Foundation [mozilla.org] announced Netscape co-founder Marc Andreessen [wikipedia.org] has also passed away from a long battle with cancer. Opera fans quickly claimed that Mozilla/Firefox copied them yet again, despite millions of other people dying from cancer earlier, including Firefox extension developer Jon Pederson, who died from cancer last year.

Re:In related news... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948805)

Note to mods: Something can be in bad taste, and still be funny.

Ha Ha Asshole (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949091)

Just how in the FUCK is that funny?

hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949159)

I thought it was funny.

Re:Ha Ha Asshole (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949234)

How is it not?

Ohh... He jokes about deaths! WARNING: UNFUNNY!

Re:Ha Ha Asshole (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949316)

You guys are really tasteless. It's funny joking about someone you don't know dies, but if someone you love dies you would't appreciate jokes about it...
Stop being pubertal.. You show a lack of maturity.
Humor is a way of dealing with death? You don't need to deal with it as you are not affected.. I hope if someone you care about die that others are not that insensitive.. Seriously you Firefox fanboys have hit rock bottom today

Re:In related news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949170)

Yep I laughed too

Sometimes laughing at death is the best way to cope, cause fretting about it sure as hell won't make it pass you over.

What a shame (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948440)

I like Opera. It's a great browser.

PS First Post.

Re:What a shame (0, Troll)

StanVassilevTroll (956384) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948680)

fs. not a first post. you lose. you're a loser. I make more than you. I get laid more than you. by better looking girls. and even if you get bigtime cut and look good, my kids will be better looking, my dick will always be naturally bigger, and, face it, I'm just really fucking good in bed. fuck you. i'll fucking kill you and your ugly family. have fun fucking your mom in her basement. unless you like dudes. then fuck your dad you beat you as a child. or fuck me. my ass is always open for a party dickwad. fuck me. i like to suck dick.

Dude.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949386)

Don't mess with Anonyous Coward. Remember, you can never defeat AC.

Now go home. And take that dick out of your ass.

So long, and thanks (5, Insightful)

lanc (762334) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948447)

Though I am no opera user - thanks for the effort supporting an alternative solution. The possibility to choose is well appreciated.

Re:So long, and thanks (3, Insightful)

blastwave (757518) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948467)

An excellent browser that runs well on old Sun Solaris sun4m hardware all the way up to the latest builds. I have been using Opera for years and bought and paid for the licenses. It is a real loss to see a brilliant creator pass. I surely hope that his legacy lives on in world domination of the mobile browser market.

Dennis Clarke from Blastwave.org
http://www.blastwave.org/ [blastwave.org]

Re:So long, and thanks (5, Informative)

lanc (762334) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948510)

sun4m, right.
but not only that - If you want to download it, ofcourse it exists for linux, but it is not merely usual that there is a prepackaged version for Debian, and highly unusual that you can choose packages for:

Debian Unstable (Sid)
Debian Testing (Etch)
Debian 3.1 (Sarge)
Debian 3.0 (Woody)
Debian 2.2 (Potato)


it exists for Mac, QNX, FreeBSD, it runs on a pile of mobiles. That I call userfriendly, supportive.


Re:So long, and thanks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948755)

Goes back three releases? I guess that'd just about cover the last decade and a half..

Re:So long, and thanks (1)

kubevubin (906716) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948534)

I use Opera as my primary Web browser, and I certainly appreciate the ability to choose. Most people believe that IE is the only Web browser, so it's definitely disappointing whenever a product such as Opera tends to go largely unnoticed by the general public. Opera 9 looks great.

Re:So long, and thanks (2, Informative)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948545)

What amazes me is its incredible speed. I wonder why Firefox programmers have not been able to make Firefox at least closer to Opera's speed. When it comes to memory, I wouldn't mind that much since memory itself is very cheap these days.

Re:So long, and thanks (3, Informative)

quanticle (843097) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949020)

Not only does Opera 9 look great, but it passes the Acid2 test as well, something that Firefox has not yet achieved.

Re:So long, and thanks (1)

TravisWatkins (746905) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949443)

Acid2 is about worthless. Passing just shows that they took the time to make that page work, it doesn't say anything about the standards support of the browser.

Re:So long, and thanks (1)

PrvtBurrito (557287) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948582)

Although many of us use different browsers than Opera, the influence of Opera on the browser war is (and was) undeniable. When Microsoft was telling the Dept. of Justice (and americans in general) that they were the real innovators, Opera was out there proving them wrong. Features that were introduced in Opera were later adapted into Mozilla and, I'm confident that many features in future versions of IE will have their roots in Opera.

I hope that Geir Ivarsoy is remembered as being an innovator well after the Opera project has left our collective minds.

Re:So long, and thanks (1)

msobkow (48369) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949104)

RIP, Geir.

It's grown a bit since the early releases, but Opera is still an example of tight old-school code in a world of bloat.

RIP ... Silent Post (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948450)

Silent Post

Amen, Agreed ... Silent Post (1)

FST777 (913657) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948870)

Silent Post II

Opera. (0, Troll)

fanblade (863089) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948455)

The show ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.

R.I.P. (nt) (1)

developer7 (940280) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948469)

nt

Ouch. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948477)

I read the summary, clicked the comments link, and saw this in the random fortune quote at the bottom of the page: "Someone is speaking well of you. How unusual!"

Poor guy.

damn (5, Insightful)

popeguilty (961923) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948479)

The alternative he provided created much-needed freedom to leave MSIE back when Netscape couldn't get its act together. Rest in peace.

We need to fight cancer. (2, Interesting)

elucido (870205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948513)

In general, we need to discuss what can be done, to improve cancer screaning, and treatment, using open source technology. We need a slashdot or similar site which deals with genetics, technology, medicine, and health research and related topics.

Cancer is a threat to us all, and while we discuss Netscape vs IE, or Linux vs Windows, we ignore the fact that we arent using open source technology or ideas in healthcare. I think we should discuss personalized-medicine, and ways to lower the cost of cancer screenings and treatments.

Re:We need to fight cancer. (3, Informative)

popeguilty (961923) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948541)

Have you ever seen the movie "And the Band Played On"? It's about the principal players who originally researched AIDS and discovered HIV. What's fascinating about the movie is not its depiction of popular reaction to AIDS but of the vicious infighting between the groups of researchers, particularly one doctor who lies, cheats, and steals to make sure his name is the one attached to "discovering HIV." It's a fascinating movie, and it's chilling to note that the same things are apparently happening surrounding "avian flu"- not to mention years of secret research in other medical areas.

Re:We need to fight cancer. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948761)

Yes, because Slashdot's done so much to advance the computer industry. If you want progress fighting cancer and other disease, then try removing some of the religious nutters that get in the way (particularly in the US). A bunch of geeks wittering about the latest cool development that they don't understand isn't going to help.

Sad News On Talk Radio (-1, Troll)

Poeir (637508) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948482)

And cue the search-and-replace Stephen King posts. Truly a Norweigan icon.

Thanks, dude! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948486)

For such a nice product and being there when I needed you.

God bless you!

My condolences to his family and friends (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948489)

Thanks for all your work, Mr. Ivarsoy. The innovative features in Opera have had a great amount of influence in the browser market and beyond.

In his memory, we need to launch a new movement. (-1, Offtopic)

elucido (870205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948494)

We need to launch an open source movement or foundation in his memory to find an open source cure for cancer. I think all of us have lost close friends and family to cancer and this is a problem we should unite to solve.

What does Opera have to do with Open Source? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948507)

Their product wasn't free (in either sense) until last year, and it's still not open source.

Re:In his memory, we need to launch a new movement (1, Insightful)

Bizzeh (851225) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948517)

your sick, using someones death, or the battle to cure cancer to push open source... shame...

Re:In his memory, we need to launch a new movement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948535)

I don't think this is the right time. I was going to use my mod points on you so feel lucky.

So Long... (0)

gerbalblaste (882682) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948505)

So long, and thanks for all the fish

Woot 7p (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948511)

Duce to the troubles another troubled FREEBSD AT ABOUT 80 su8e that I've they learn from our NetBSD user there are Declined in market

that sux (-1, Offtopic)

fftl4life (961774) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948516)

thats to bad, i like opera it is a good browser. though i use firefox, i have used opera and it has got some real cool features and ideas that other browsers should definatly consider integrating with their browser. i hope that opera can still continue to put out the quality browsers that they have been the past couple years.

Re:that sux (1)

linguizic (806996) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948527)

I've never used opera, but since it seems that this man's death is /. worthy, I'm thinking about trying it. Before I do though, I would like to know what some of the features that set it apart are. Could someone oblige me?

Re:that sux (2, Informative)

fftl4life (961774) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948548)

here is the url to goto and find info http://www.opera.com/products/desktop/ [opera.com] it supports almost every os and is a very small file size, if u like the features of firefox then opera might be right for u...

Why Opera? (5, Informative)

worb (935866) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948581)

Opera has lots of features [opera.com] in a small (and fast) package. By default, Opera looks any plain browser, but if you feel like it, you can dive below the surface and discover a lot of features that speed up browsing, such as mouse gestures and extensive keyboard support (both shortcuts and spatial navigation for using the keyboard to navigate pages).

If you search Google for "why Opera" you'll find pages like this one, with a nice list of reasons for why you should consider Opera [nontroppo.org] .

The best thing you can do is to simply download it and give it a fair go. If you surf around and read about Opera you'll discover lots of nice little touches that make browsing more convenient. Maybe you'll find that you love Opera. Maybe you won't. It's a slightly different approach than what Firefox is doing, but at least you won't have to rely on extensions for functionality. That can be both good and bad, I guess. (Opera seems to be a bit more efficient on the memory usage than Firefox, mind you.)

But Opera is actually also extensible in various ways, such as User JavaScript ("Greasemonkey"), and similar. There are lots of nifty things to discover, such as custom made toolbars [nontroppo.org] .

Anyway, the Search Engine Journal editor asked Opera users to convince him to use Opera [searchenginejournal.com] . He got quite a few useful replies. Maybe they will be of interest to you, too...

Re:that sux (1)

pilsner.urquell (734632) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948862)

I've never used opera, but since it seems that this man's death is /. worthy, I'm thinking about trying it.

Much more that /. worthy, 2 hours after being posted /. is the only news agency to honor Geir Ivarsoy's memory. Google News: Results 1 - 1 of 1 for Geir Ivarsoy. (0.01 seconds)

Re:that sux (1)

tender-matser (938909) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948996)

1. It has an option to ignore the author's
stylesheets (shift-G). so many great
web-designed pages become readable on my
15'' monitor.
2. It's easy to change all key bindings
to make it feel like vi/less (for instance)
3. It's easy to turn on/off annoying
features on the fly (cookies, referrer
reporting, javascript, etc)

sigh... (1)

neurokaotix (892464) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948520)

Opera is a great browser, with many unique features. I use IE, Firefox, and Opera everyday. It is sad to see anyone go, let alone someone who you know had a huge part in something you come to take for granted.

Creativity is a legacy :) (4, Insightful)

tinkertim (918832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948532)

I hope, when I die I've left behind something that inspires. The desire to create I believe comes from somewhere deep within and is a capacity that clings within you despite what life tosses your way .. it never seems to fade. For him, it never will, people will take the best part of him, what he was able to dream together and make it their own.

I think that's truly immortality, when you stop and think about what shapes your creativity.

Didn't find his age on the blog? Wow he looked young. Opera hasn't seen the real fruits of his efforts and creativity (just yet, but starting to .. ) , I'm sad that he won't.

FSM (1, Funny)

TallMatthew (919136) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948533)

May His grace be with you alfredo.

Oh, and thanks for the great browser.

Oh, I guess you're dead and can't read this.

RE: FSM (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948712)

We need confirmation. Where is Netcraft when you need it?

Re:FSM (1)

GooglePlexity (959033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948791)

What, don't they have computers in heaven?

Re:FSM (1)

netkid91 (915818) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948936)

But I bet god has a strict, no /. policy, he thinks it's the root of all evil(besides Lucifer)

i guess that for him (1)

Miguel de Icaza (660439) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948547)

the fat lady just stfu

RIP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948550)

lucky bastard

And now... (5, Funny)

Atmchicago (555403) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948559)

He will be known as the Phantom of the Opera!

Sorry, that was in poor taste. My regards to someone who helped contribute to the diversity in web browsers.

Re:And now... (1)

Heembo (916647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948646)

It could have been worse, you could have asked if he was creamated (since he liked compact code), you could have asked if the funeral arrangements all fit on one floppy, or you could have asked if he passing was standards-based.

Either way, this dude was a maverick, a pioneer, and the dude obviously knew how to code. Where he is now, he can write raw assembly without ever compiling.... he's ok now. It's his family I send my well wishes and condolences to....

Re:And now... (1)

saboola (655522) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948649)

I was wondering how long it would take someone to get a 5 funny in a somber post like this. Twenty nine minutes is not bad. I take off my hat to you good sir.

Re:And now... (1)

zerocool^ (112121) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948769)


I bet his wake didn't pass the ACID2 test...

Re:And now... (0, Offtopic)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948826)

Yes, but will it be in time for HD-DVD?

Re:And now... (1)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948830)

Actually, if you wanted to be in bad taste, you should have used a "Netcraft/ICD confirms it..." style post.

But that would have just been sickening./p?

Paid their respects (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948578)

Did the ones who didn't pay have to watch an ad banner over the casket?

rest in peace (1, Interesting)

trybywrench (584843) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948583)

From too much love of living,
From hope and fear set free,
We thank with brief thanksgiving
Whatever gods may be
That no life lives forever;
That dead men rise up never;
That even the weariest river
Winds somewhere safe to sea.
- swinburne

Rest in peace, thanks for making a difference.

Why I'm not a funeral director (1)

murderlegendre (776042) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948597)

Beyond any doubt, I would have concluded the ceremony with a Fat Lady, singing.

That aside, this is pretty sad news. Better times on the other side, man.. and my personal condolences to his family, friends and colleauges at Opera Software.

Thanks for the Hope (5, Interesting)

Snap E Tom (128447) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948601)

I don't use Opera now, but I used it very briefly. Opera rose at a very dark time. IE had just won the browser war with Netscape 4 being a bloated, happy, piece of crap. Opera gave us hope when us anti-IEers were most down. Although I use Firefox now, the conditions for Firefox's success should be creditted to Opera.

Re:Thanks for the Hope (1)

GreatBunzinni (642500) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948819)

Indeed. And let's not forget that it was Opera that embraced and kept alive the respect for standards compliance and openness in internet-related projects that we all admire, respect and appreciate so much. For that reason alone we owe Opera oh so very much.

My #2 Browser (2, Interesting)

chivo243 (808298) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948610)

The loss of a loved leader in a group can have either of two outcomes:

1. Everyone falls apart, and the group with it.
2. The group rallies, and is spurred on to greatness.

I use three browsers through out the work day, and personal night.

1. Camino-Super fast, great for our intranet php based apps.
2. Opera-Pretty fast, but has the option to open to last page viewed at launch.(The option that sets Opera apart really!)
3. Safari-Solid performer, secure.
4. Firefox-odd man out really, but do use it to test sites once in a while. useful. I do recommend Firefox to the common users I assist with their computers after virus, worm, malware etc climbed aboard via IE.

I love that all of these browsers offer tabbed browsing ;-)
There are tons of features I will never use on all of these browsers, but they are there for those who need the tools. I can't say enough about the browser choices available other that IE. They are the market of the future. IE will only be able to mimic the new features.

Remembering Geir (5, Informative)

Lawmune (260527) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948613)

Here is a remembrance of Geir Ivarsøy from someone at Opera Software who knew him: Death in the Family [opera.com]

sex wRith a nigga (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948632)

and exci7ing; [goat.cx]

Get his name right, please (5, Insightful)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948650)

It's probably not the right time to rant about this, but... could people *please* take care to actually spell names correctly? It's Ivarsøy, not Ivarsoy; you'd think that at *least* his Slashdot obituary would get this right.

It's not difficult, either. If you can't type the ø character directly, use a HTML entity, ø (ø), or ø (ø) - it's really simple.

But don't just substitute another letter that looks vaguely similar. Would you like it if somebody whose native language doesn't have a "d" substituted a "b" in your name for it because the two letters look quite similar? Of course not. So please, do the same thing and try to spell other people's names correctly. With HTML entities, it's not hard, and it's a sign of respect - doubly so on an obituary.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948668)

I thought grammar nazi's were bad. This takes the cake.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949396)

I think you mean cäké

Re:Get his name right, please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948691)

I don't know how to translate current Pope's name, but last Pope, when written about in English, was "John Paul", and when written about in Spanish "Juan Pablo". My point is that it is accetptable to adjust names to languages.

Re:Get his name right, please (2, Interesting)

Echnin (607099) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948840)

That's different. The pope is named after religious figures, who have completely different names in different countries. Ioannes in Latin, John in English, Juan in Spanish, Johannes in Norwegian. If you were to call the pope Ioannes Paulus most Christians wouldn't be able to associate that with the religious figures he's named after. English speakers do not call the king of Spain "John Carl"; they call him "Juan Carlos". Norwegian speakers are often linguistic purists, however, and can be quite pedantic; if you look at the Norwegian wikipedia article for Bluetooth, for example, it's under "blåtann", which is the Norwegian name for the king after whom the standard is named.

Re:Get his name right, please (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948845)

tss, some people won't even use sad moments to push their agenda. Everybody with a native language consisting of more than ASCII chars is definetely used to spelling variations.

I have no clue why this tactless behaviour is modded +4

Re:Get his name right, please (0, Offtopic)

JamMule (722000) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948908)

Everybody with a native language consisting of more than ASCII chars is definetely used to spelling variations.

As a Finn I must totally disagree. I find it extremely annoying when people misspell names or pronounce them completely wrong. It is not so difficult to use the correct spelling and to find out how the name is pronounced.

I find it extremely arrogant and self centered for English speaking people to totally ignore the rest of the world. I think that most of the problems we have nowadays with multiple character sets and other internationalization/localization issues could have been avoided without the "English alphabet is enough for everyone!"-mentality.

Re:Get his name right, please (1)

kanani (882288) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949082)

find it extremely arrogant and self centered for English speaking people to totally ignore the rest of the world. I think that most of the problems we have nowadays with multiple character sets and other internationalization/localization issues could have been avoided without the "English alphabet is enough for everyone!"-mentality.

And yet....you responded in English

Re:Get his name right, please (1)

berj (754323) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949156)

Lemmie get this right. Say you're finnish (which, it seems, you are) and say your name is YRJÄNÄ or maybe YRJÖ (which would be an incredible coincidence because I picked those names at random). Now, let's say you go to, oh.. I dunno.. Nicaragua. And, being friendly, you introduce yourself to everyone you meet. Not a single person there is able to pronounce your name. You spell it for them, you pronounce it nice and slow and yet you can't get a single person, young or old, to get it right. In fact, they butcher it so badly that it hurts your ears to hear it.

You've got two choices here. You can get all whiny and indignant and call them arrogant and self centred for not taking the time and effort to get your name right.

OR

You can introduce yourself (in spanish) as Jorge.

Which do you think it more polite and likely to make you some friends?

Just to bring this to reality. My name (Berj) is thoroughly unpronounceable in Spanish. I tried. For months. No-one was able to get it right. Now, sadly, my name has no equivalent in Spanish. Luckily my middle name (Patrick) does... Patricio. Which is how I was known when I was down there for a year. I was also known as el Gringo Loco.. but that's another matter entirely.

In any case, I think it's entirely unfair of *you* you expect that an entire culture twist their tongues around your name rather than just dealing with it and finding a compromise that works.

Re:Get his name right, please (1)

Karma Farmer (595141) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949193)

I have no clue why this tactless behaviour is modded +4

There is a large group of slashdot users who routinely mod up trolls. I think it's tasteless that they would mod up a transliteration troll in an obituary, but that's just how the site works.

Re:Get his name right, please (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948963)

"Would you like it if somebody whose native language doesn't have a "d" substituted a "b" in your name for it because the two letters look quite similar?"

I bolded the part that explains why it wouldn't bother me.

Re:Get his name right, please (1)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949069)

It's probably not the right time to rant about this, but... could people *please* take care to actually spell names correctly?

Speaking as someone whose name is almost NEVER spelled correctly, and (almost) never pronounced correctly (I had exactly one person do it on that historic day), I've learned that it just doesn't matter.

And anyway, this is an English web site. We use the English alphabet. The spelling was correct as an anglicized version. Is a Chinese person supposed to be offended when we don't use Chinese characters for their name on this web site? Get over it.

RIP (1, Insightful)

endoplasmicMessenger (883247) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948708)

I love Opera!

Rest in Peace, Geir Ivarsoy.

Geir Ivarsoy RIP (0, Offtopic)

Telemachas (616756) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948710)

From Tom Rettig @ 1985 * REMEMBER.PRG * Sometimes we forget... * USE Yourself SET TALK OFF CLEAR * DO WHILE ALIVE STORE "Love" TO Heart STORE "Health" TO Body STORE "Peace" TO Mind STORE "Compassion" TO Others STORE "Esteem" TO Self STORE "Trust" TO Humanity STORE "faith" TO God REPLACE Negative WITH Positive,; Judgment WITH Acceptance,; Resentment WITH Forgiveness REPLACE Hopelessness WITH Choice,; Confusion WITH Clarity,; Procrastination WITH Participation REPLACE Separation WITH Connection,; Lack WITH Abundance,; Sorrow WITH Celebration @ all, times SAY your_truth IF its_time EXIT ENDIF ENDDO * SAVE TO Always CLEAR ALL RETURN * * EOF: remember.prg

How would you know? (1)

trifish (826353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948726)

While Opera hasn't had the same success as Firefox on the desktop

I'd like to see some trustworthy figures backing up this claim.

Re:How would you know? (1)

trifish (826353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948750)

By "figures" I mean numbers (statistics), not "persons".

Re:How would you know? (1)

wile_e_wonka (934864) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948770)

I don't know whether or not the parent was intended to be sarcastic, but it is a notable point. I keep Opera set to spoof IE (#5, not #3, for those who understand what that means). In fact, my cell phone provider's website won't let me on unless I'm spoofing (and then it works perfectly...).

But, on the other hand, the people that calculate such comparisons seem to be able to tell the difference somehow. Also, it is notable, the MSupdate is not fooled by the spoof (though, as I understand it, it used to be).

Re:How would you know? (1)

trifish (826353) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948822)

> I don't know whether or not the parent was intended to be sarcastic

No, no, I did not. Opera is a good browser and now it's even freeware.

Re:How would you know? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949359)

MSUpdate now requires ActiveX, which was just about dead until M$ ressurected it for just this one purpose. I still use google on Opera to search for security notices (ie "MS06-009") and manually find and download updates. This was how I downloaded and patched my servers and workstations.

However, the dicks at M$ made some updates IE only by forcing you to go to the ActiveX Windows Update site to download it. There really is no other reason for having ActiveX enabled on any computer except for this annoying bug that M$ requires. I now have one machine with IE exclusively where I can go download patches. Otherwise, there's no good reason to keep IE. Why should I waste bandwidth to download the same patch hundreds of times?

Re:How would you know? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948812)

Well, yeah... at least Opera got people to PAY for their product.

Writ in marble (1)

k1980pc (942645) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948729)

All your better deeds Shall be in water writ, but this in Marble... Thank you for Opera - Philaster, Beaumont and Fletcher, 1611

linux causes cancer!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948753)

The founder of Libranet (Debain-based linux distro) died of cancer too. Does linux cause cancer? In all seriousness, I think working in such close proximity electronic devices and electronic radiation does promote cancerous cell mutations.

You must be right (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948798)

Cancer didn't exist prior to the invention of the computer.

Truly an American icon (3, Funny)

mnemonic_ (164550) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948773)

Even if he was from Norway.

OT - I'd use Opera, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948784)

I'd like to use Opera. It feels nicer and more complete than Firefox, and the much smaller footprint & startup time are also plusses. However, the only thing keeping me from using Opera is that I couldn't find an Adblock-like feature/plugin for it. Does anyone know if such a thing exists? Bonus points if it's compatable with Filterset.G [nyud.net] .

Re:OT - I'd use Opera, but... (2, Interesting)

XO (250276) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949274)

Pick up one of the weekly builds at http://my.opera.com/desktopteam [opera.com] ..

The Content Blocker is still definitely work in progress, but every build has had some very nice improvements to it all.

Is this appropriate? (2, Insightful)

MimsyBoro (613203) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948818)

I know this is Slashdot (News for ners etc.) but someone passed away. Is it really appropriate to talk about the marketshare of his programming work?

I've had this discussion with people many times, but I personally think that people, even programmers, are worth more then the code they write. And I would personally perfer that people don't talk about my code when I pass-away.

Re:Is this appropriate? (1)

continuouslife (934428) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948879)

Don't worry, I'm sure that when you pass away nobody will be talking about you.

YES! 7p (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14948893)

Quaareled on teeth into when Worthwhile. It's tracJk of where

considerable success in the mobile phone market (2, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#14948911)

> While Opera hasn't had the same success as Firefox on the desktop, it has had
> considerable success in the mobile phone market due to its speed and small
> footprint, combined with excellent standards compliance and innovative
> features."

Plus the fact that there's a commercial organisation behind it, pushing it, as opposed to some other software being out there but with no motivation on the part of the programmers to actually get it put onto any devices...

Re:considerable success in the mobile phone market (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949055)

I think the fact that it actually runs properly and well on the devices is a little bit more important. It doesn't matter how many people you have pushing your product if you product doesn't work well where you're trying to put it (not to put down Firefox, but it's a desktop product, not a mobile product, nobody should expect it to work there).

Rest In Peace (1)

mortem (942244) | more than 8 years ago | (#14949122)

Thanks for the excellent browser. RIP

The Fat Lady has sung. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14949445)

"The opera ain't over until the fat lady sings."
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