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Microsoft To Construct iPod/DS/PSP Killer

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the only-a-matter-of-time dept.

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Karsten writes "According to The Mercury News Microsoft is developing a PSP/DS/GBA/iPod-killer. J. Allard is leading the project." J. Allard is the man behind the Xbox, and from looking at the article it sounds like it's at least a year before this device, if it hits daylight, would be coming.

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killers (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956409)

Dammit, can't they make a Windows killer?

Re:killers (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956455)

No, they can't. They make products. You want a tool.

Re:killers (4, Interesting)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956564)

No, Microsoft doesn't make products, they make 'solutions'. Just look at Origami. The pre-announcement hype was about a PSP-killer/iPod-killer/whatever-killer and in the end, it turns out to be a slightly smaller formfactor for tablet PCs, obviously inspired by the Nokia 770. There isn't even a product; the only thing Microsoft will release WRT Origami is yet another stripped version of Windows, to fill the imagined gap between CE and Media center.

Re:killers (2, Funny)

fatduck (961824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956467)

They are; it's called Vista.

Re:killers (3, Funny)

mlk (18543) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956482)

A brick kills most windows

Re:killers (0, Offtopic)

terbo (307578) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956491)

Dammit, can't they make a Windows killer?

Why can't they just make something that goes around hugging everything ..

like trees ..

Re:killers (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956683)

Why can't they just make something that goes around hugging everything ..

They did. His name was Clippy.

Re:killers (2, Funny)

minginqunt (225413) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956502)

He's done it before, and he'll do it again.

Steve Ballmer's going to fucking kill Goog^H^H^H^HiPod^H^H^H^HPSP^H^H^HDS^H^HTHE WHOLE WORLD!!!

geez, i'm so bored i counted the ^Hs n/t (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956582)

eom

Re:killers (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956717)

"Dammit, can't they make a Windows killer?"

Windows Vista seems a good candidate for that.

killer... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956414)

Hold your breath while waiting, and it will be a people killer too!

Everything is a 'Killer' (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956415)

Microsoft To Construct iPod/DS/PSP Killer
Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who ...

I've said it before [slashdot.org] and I'll say it again--for the love of god, please stop printing mindless headlines of the form "[insert company name here] is [planning/making] a [insert industry-wide leading product name here] killer."

Replace 'Killer' with 'Competitor' please (3, Informative)

Xocet_00 (635069) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956440)

Yeah, seriously. Can we (the Slashdot community) officially retire the term 'killer' and replace it with 'competitor'? It is possible for multiple manufacturers and products to exist in a market space simultaneously. Competition is good! We don't need or want new products to kill anything.

Re:Replace 'Killer' with 'Competitor' please (3, Funny)

Bloke down the pub (861787) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956749)

We don't need or want new products to kill anything.
Speak for yourself. My bloody roses are covered with aphids.

Re:Everything is a 'Killer' (1)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956499)

Yeah tell me about it... and what is worse is when you start a project by comparing it to the iPod before there is even a glimer of information about it.

I think this Microsoft (insert clever code name here) is only going to kill it self.

In the end MS doesn't seem to add anything to the personal entertanment market... what they don't seem to get is that a successful game or media player needs to truely give the user what they want without making them jump through hoops.

Microsoft could make the industry do whatever they want, but they have choosen to make corporations happy and not customers, it's sad really.

Re:Everything is a 'Killer' (1, Offtopic)

G)-(ostly (960826) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956529)

Slashdot makes money through ad impressions. They're not here to uphold high journalistic standards and create intelligent, competent discussion threads, they're here to make money by getting as many goobers to click on a story as they can. In fact, they never claimed the former, not even before they were purchased and started focusing on the latter.

To that end, all that matters here is that the word "Microsoft" paired with a controversial claim is right in the headline. They're betting you'll click through and up their ad revenue.

Guess what? They were right.

That said, I have nothing relevant to the article to post, because the article wasn't really relevant to anything...

Re:Everything is a 'Killer' (4, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956713)

Actually, I thought that the PSP was supposed to be the iPod/DS killer. So if MS kills the PSP before it gets a chance to kill the iPod and the DS, then it's just wasting energy, cause it'll have to go kill them itself. It'd be much more efficient and cheaper for MS to wait until Sony finishes killing the iPod and the DS, and then just go whack the PSP. And then wait for Google to release a small electronic device, and then go kill that too.

I think that the "* killer" tag has pretty much become one of those laughable buzzwords; where when a PR guy says it, you know he's got no idea about what's really going on, and when someone knowledgeable uses it, it's in a sort of sarcastic mocking tone. Basically, any time I see a slashdot headline talking about a "killer", I can be confident that the comments will 95% be people stating lots of reasons why it obviously won't work that way. Let the marketing people have their cute little terms, no one besides themselves is fooled.

Obligatory (4, Funny)

gentimjs (930934) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956418)

Not to troll but .. I'm sorry, its from Microsoft .. its surely going to have an Intel chip (Mobile EXTREEEEEEEEME Hunger Eddition) and run WindowsCE(meNT) loaded with more DRM than you thought possible from a mobile .. the only thing this is going to "kill" is batteries ...

Re:Obligatory (0, Flamebait)

moro_666 (414422) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956494)

well if the xbox team is behind it, it will probably overheat and scratch your cd's aswell (without using them).

Can't wait anymore, i'm too excited :D

Re:Obligatory (1)

gentimjs (930934) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956625)

You forgot that it would also be the size of a car tire ;-)

Re:Obligatory (2, Interesting)

releppes (829336) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956643)

Unfortunately, I can see Microsoft killing just about anything they set their minds to. All they have to do is throw money at it. Just look at the xbox. When I first heard about microsoft breaking into the game console buisness, I laughed and thought they wouldn't stand a chance. Well, sure enough there it is. And they were able to pour so much money into it that they even made good games. On top of all that, people actually went out and bought the product. Now the thought of owning an xbox is like a status symbol in the gaming community. Much like an iPod is a status symbol in the portable music community.


Can Microsoft pull it off? Absolutely! It's unfortunate, but true. Even if they don't pull it off, they have such a fat wad of cash, the they can afford to flop. And their flop will most likely have a devastating effect on the market as well. I absolutely hate buying microsoft stuff, but the truth is they do make some good products. I concider Office to be their flagship. All their hardware ventures are pretty good (mice,keyboards,...). It's just that their OS and their vision of what an OS should be that really sucks (in my opinion).


However, when microsoft tried to take over the PDA market, it's surprizing to see that they were unsuccessful. They made a big dent, but I'm surprized they didn't completely wipe out all competition. PalmOS was really the only contender. And their offering of an OS and device were pretty lacking (still is!). So, given that little history, maybe they won't be successful.

Today is March 20th (1)

1336.5 (901985) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956420)

This article should have been released April 1st.

kk

thx

Poor Wittle Billy (-1, Flamebait)

akheron01 (637033) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956421)

Poor little Billy! He wants to own everything but he just can't seem to win the portables market so he's having a hissy fit and calling all of his designers to make these crappy Origami and beyond products, ugh!

hmm... no (5, Insightful)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956422)

This won't work, but we should all know that already know that. You can't just stick all the available technology into something and hope it all works out, this will end up being as big as origami with about 2 hours of battery life. I like things to be seperate, which is why I have an MP3 player, and a DS (and a camera and phone and whatever else they'll probably try and throw in it) I like things to be excellent at the one thing that they do, not just "acceptable" at everything under the sun

Re:hmm... no (1)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956466)

This is not a convergence device as you seem to believe, it's just a portable game system with enough onboard storage to act as an MP3 and video player. Really nothing new, except that Microsoft will have another platform to launch exclusive titles, and get a finger in the music-store pie. The size doesn't have to be any larger than Nintendo's offerings, since the storage required for a useful MP3 player amounts to a couple of chips smaller than postage stamps.

Re:hmm... no (4, Funny)

cowscows (103644) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956508)

Pfft, Quiet you naysayer! I don't think they're being ambitious enough! This is Microsoft we're talking about! The greatest of all great companies in the greatest of all great nations! Not only will this device accomplish all that has been listed, but following in the usual Microsoft tradition, incredible new features will likely be added between now and the eventual, ontime release of this device. Don't be surprised if this device solves our fossil fuel dependence problems. It may very well cure AIDS. And then we can give copies of the device to everyone in the middle east, so they'll stop being angry towards the USA.

Come on, we're not talking about a tiny hardware company like Apple, or a rowdy upstart like Google. We're talking about Microsoft, a hard working bunch of people who have, through sheer innovation and stringent quality standards, created the technological paradise which most of us live in every day. Show a little respect to the company that gave us marvels such as text editors, web browsers, and beautiful graphical interfaces.

If the Xbox has taught us anything, it's that Microsoft's hardware will be at least as slick as their software, and all of their products share an impressive efficiency in terms of resource usage. The future truly is now, and you're lucky to be alive during these exciting times.

Re:hmm... no (2)

110010001000 (697113) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956756)

Um, Microsoft owns most of the PDA market now (70%) and they are making large inroads in the cellphone market too. They also are the number 2 console maker in the world (unseated Nintendo a while ago). In case you guys missed it, MS has a lot of experience in both the game and mobile markets.

Re:hmm... no (3, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956615)

I beg to differ.

You CAN do that. but only if you add one more thing.

Make it 100% open and remove DRM.

People will flock to it like insane rabbits. If you can play ANY of your music on it, allow Wifi share-playing (music that other can listen to on your device but they cant copy) and all the other goodies without all the useless and worthless DRM and secrecy that simply limit a device as well as annoy users.

Then it will kill everything in it's path.

The chances of it existing? -12.4% Center of this planet must solidify first.

The killers.. (1)

minus_273 (174041) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956423)

ok, why is everything an ipod killer these days? I've seen everything from cell phones to game consoles labelled an ipod killer.

Re:The killers.. (1)

minginqunt (225413) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956527)

Meh.

That's why the iPod's dead.

No... wait. That can't be right.

Re:The killers.. (2, Funny)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956549)

The killers? hmm...

Somebody told me, that you had a handheld, that looked like a Newton, that I had in february of last year...

I'm sorry, it's early and wouldn't leave my head. Will it be stoning, or am I to be drawn and quartered?

Re:The killers.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956561)

I heard Gallagher was working on an iPod killer. He calls it Sledge-o-matic.

The killers..RMS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956562)

"ok, why is everything an ipod killer these days? I've seen everything from cell phones to game consoles labelled an ipod killer."

Open Source Software will be Proprietary's killer.

Hopefully (1)

gurutc (613652) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956424)

They won't be able to screw up power supply issues by using standard batteries.

Batteries mean you can only "kill" once. (2, Insightful)

Lave (958216) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956752)

Portable devices that replace multiple portables will only do so when one critical flaw has been addressed. The Battery.

I like my DS being separate to my phone because, I can play it and not worry about killing my battery and not being able to receive calls.

I can listen to songs on my mp3 player as I sight-see, and not have to worry that I'm going to kill the battery before I get to the big sights I want to take photos off.

If a business man is on the tube, he likes his blackberry an iPod to be separate because he won't miss any email after listening to music on his commute.

Unless your device can run for over a day - whilst doing everything - continually - then I don't want the stress of balancing battery needs. Portable devices are about reducing stress, "all-in-one" devices don't do that, no matter how many times you write "killer" in the title.

Re:Hopefully (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956758)

They won't be able to screw up power supply issues by using standard batteries.

Would that matter if they screw up usage with copious about of DRM and the 'we will only play DRMed' audio approach that Sony tried using,.

Well.. here's a toast.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956430)

May the new EverythingPortable-killer be as financially successful (*cough*4billion*cough*) as the first X-Box!

Cheers! :P

I don't think so (1)

protomala (551662) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956436)

Look at xbox 360, mainly in japan. I don't see it killing even PS2, even more Revolution or PS3. I don't see MSN search killing google. I don't see windows security better than Linux/Mac. Or I am blind, or microsoft hype machine is a lot of dry icq giving somke to press.

Might not be 'killers'... (2, Interesting)

baker_tony (621742) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956531)

Microsoft might not be producing any real 'killer' products (well, not until the 3rd iteration from history), but if they start throwing themselves at the competition, then the competition is gonna start freaking out and producing an even better product, one would hope. So stop dissing Microsoft for having a go.

Re:Might not be 'killers'... (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956661)

If you're a company that runs on cash cow monopolies, winning is nice, but not necessary.

It's good enough that the other companies lose, at least in the short run. Given your endless flow of cash, you may gradually squeeze off their air supply. Even if this doesn't happen, you don't want anybody else to have a cash cow in the barn where you keep your cash cow, because you understand the power that owning the cash cow brings.

Re:Might not be 'killers'... (2, Funny)

baker_tony (621742) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956695)

You were brought up on a farm, weren't you?! :-)

Re:I don't think so (3, Informative)

Darth Maul (19860) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956533)

Umm.... in Japan even the Gamecube is selling better than the 360.

Re:I don't think so (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956745)

Although Internet Explorer was a Netscape killer. :-)

Home Depot already have one (5, Funny)

Timo_UK (762705) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956438)

in the tools section. It's called sledgehammer and is guaranteed to kill all of those devices in one shot.

Time to... (4, Insightful)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956439)

...dust off all your jokes about how big the Xbox is!

Seriously though, with Xbox and Xbox Live MS has shown that they are capable of doing interesting, cool things with both consoles and gaming generally. I'll be interested to see what they come up with.

Don't think I want... (3, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956441)

I don't think I want an X-shaped console with a glowing green screen. I got enough objects in my pants that glow green in the dark.

I can feel the pain (5, Insightful)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956443)

I'm not a MS fanboy, but I do have very good experiences with Microsoft over my lifetime. I've had some terrible problems, too, but nothing that has affected me in a bad way. I believe Microsoft's Windows has been a big reason why PCs are so cheap -- a common operating system that was easy to use has helped to bring more people to computers. I think we'd be in the 80s still if it wasn't for Windows 3.0 -- Apple had no chance given their closed hardware.

My experience with MS in handhelds is terrible. I've owned about 30 PDAs in my life (I tend to use them for 3-4 months and then sell them to friends or family or give them away). All my Newtons were my favorite (from the original MessagePad through the 2100). I feel terrible that I sold all my Newtons years ago -- I think I'd still be using the beasts today.

Microsoft doesn't know how to downsize anything. The big complaints about Windows from the geek crowd is more appropriate for Microsoft in the small-PC crowd. I had a Microsoft car radio once -- Worst. Thing. Ever. My current PDA is Microsoft based and it works very well wirelessly -- yet I have to reboot it about 10 times a day to get it to run fast.

I have no faith in Microsoft in terms of an iPod killer. The X-Box is mostly a fluke to me -- a lot of money spent, very little profit made -- which means the item is NOT a success in terms of market viability. For me, the best products are those that make a profit, giving the manufacturer real reason to keep upgrading and supporting it.

If the Microsoft 'iPod' killer is another spend-a-ton-and-earn-none fluke, it won't last. Microsoft needs a happy customer, and a happy customer pays a happy profit. Without that incentive, Microsoft will be fighting battles on too many fronts, and we know what happens to the imperialists that have done that in the past.

Re:I can feel the pain (1)

Alioth (221270) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956743)

I don't think Windows 3.0 is what 'dragged us out of the 80s' - someone would have done it on open hardware sooner or later. OS/2 2.0 wasn't that far behind (and was arguably better than Windows 3.1, which was its contemporary). Even if OS/2 didn't exist, then the X Window System was already around under an open license - and would have given the PC a GUI under Linux. Linux wasn't predicated on anything Microsoft were doing at the time. There are others - how long would it have been until DesqView had a GUI?

e-sassination device (2, Funny)

fatduck (961824) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956447)

If you'd bother to RTFA you'd know that the device in question is in fact a full-spectrum multi-wavelength high-energy data scrambler that will actually melt the circuits of any iPod/DS/GBA/PSP or Pacemaker within 100 meters. Can't wait to hear about the military applications.

Re:e-sassination device (1)

cyber_rigger (527103) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956551)


If you'd bother to RTFA you'd know that the device in question is in fact a full-spectrum multi-wavelength high-energy data scrambler that will actually melt the circuits of any iPod/DS/GBA/PSP or Pacemaker within 100 meters. Can't wait to hear about the military applications.

It's called "vapor-izing" the competition.

Wow (1)

incubus13 (948769) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956448)

and how will they call it? Terminator?

One thing it will kill for sure (0, Redundant)

gurutc (613652) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956450)

is batteries, judging by my Pocket PC's black hole of power.

Happy (1, Funny)

3CRanch (804861) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956451)

This should be a happy occasion!

Think about it...just another platform to port Linux to ;)

Y.A.K. (1)

SirCyn (694031) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956453)

Yet Another Killer. Does anybody believe these guys anymore?

1 problem with this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956457)

Apple has a such dominance into car and other aftermarket item integration, it's going to make it impossible for other vendors unless they can make use of that existing infrastructure.

It's all about timing... (1)

Byzandula (83077) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956463)

The iPod has been extremely successful for Apple and it continues to gain market share. Microsoft is giving competitors an additional year to gain popularity, so I doubt very highly that Microsoft will be able to grab a decent chunk of the pie. It will be yet another failed all-in-one device. Unless of course it can cool my beverage, warm my feet, and allow me to play GTA while scuba diving in Bermuda.

One Word (1)

Mr_Tricorder (910543) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956464)

vaporware

Ballmerstein? (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956472)

So, they gonna construct a Steve Ballmer replica?

Re:Ballmerstein? (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956663)

one question then a statement. . .
would it indeed be Ballmerstein, or would it be Ballmerstein's Monster?

but the only way they could improve on the real Ballmer is by splicing in Chuck Norris' DNA. Unfortunately, the LAZER eyes would only interfere with the round-house kicks!

Too little too late? (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956479)

Microsoft jumped into the console wars at the right time to grab a foothold. I'm not sure they'll pull off the same coup with handheld entertainment. iPods are so entrenched that the mainstream media doesn't seem to be aware that any other players exist. The PSP has had moderate success, but then we're talking about the handheld product from the console juggernaut.

MS making an attempt at the handheld market was inevitable, though. Sooner or later they had to do it.

Bloatware (1)

Ekarderif (941116) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956487)

And I thought the PSP had too many features...

*YAWN* (5, Insightful)

Karyyk (910994) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956488)

For all intents and purposes, the PSP should have killed the DS from a technical viewpoint. Fortunately, ingenuity in the gaming industry can still make up for somewhat lesser tech. Nintendo has rules the handheld market since 1989, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon. Besides, Microsoft, at best, will come up with a Windows-running, $400 handheld with a 3-hour battery lift. I'll pass.

Re:*YAWN* (2, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956658)

If you want to know why the DS is killing the PSP then you need to look at economics.

the DS is less t han 1/2 the price of a PSP and the games as well are near 1/2 the price as well.

This alone will guarentee much higher market share.

the PSP is a really nice device, it's pretty, elegant, and cool.

but adults make up a small portion of the Handheld games sales. preteens make up the bulk and parents would rather have little Jimmy break a $139.00 device than a $270.00 or more device. Parents will shell out $19.99 for a game readily and without a fight. Parents do NOT like paying $50.00 for a game for a portable.

Sony loses because they took a expensive device andthen crippled it and ensure that it's games would be expensive.

The PSP could have edged in if sony quit being asshats and not only allowed the hacking community to continue but encouraged them.

There's a tech cemetery filled with "iPod Killers. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956489)

Once again, people in the high-tech industry don't seem to understand why the iPod is so successful - it's because it's extremely easy to use, beautifully designed, and it does a handful of things that people really, really want, really, really well. Period.

People are getting damn tired of electronics companies trying to cram every single capability into a hand-held device. When you do that, you invariably get something that's mediocre at EVERYTHING it does, and it fails. The first company to create a combination PDA/games player/music player/cell phone/pager/GPS/digital camera/laser pointer/nose hair trimmer/vibrator, all for only $499!... is almost certainly going to fail in the marketplace.

They can try... (4, Insightful)

Enselic (933809) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956496)

I doubt they will be able to create an iPod killer because that would mean they had to change the behaviour of hundreds of thousands of people.

A behaviour is exceptionally hard to change, especially if it is based on an already well working service.

"talented" individuals from microsoft (1)

x1101 (935647) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956503)

"And Microsoft has some of its most seasoned talent from the division that created its popular Xbox 360 working on it."

so it will be released is next to insignificant quantities, overheat horribly, be reacalled within weeks, and be replaced with a [insert handheld name] v2.0

For starters (1)

wobedraggled (549225) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956504)

Make a home console that doesn't have issues.

What it takes to kill an iPod (2, Insightful)

platypibri (762478) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956505)

Look. There are ALREADY portable digital players out there with more features for less price that work with Windows only. Killing the iPod involved creating a sleek, hip player with a simple, intuitive interface, and an integrated content provider which has all of the same characteristics. iPods look cool and work well; iTunes is easy to use and has the fairest DRM out there. And the way iTunes is blowing away everyone else shows we want to buy our music easily and own it, not rent it.

Someday there might well be a product that comes around that is more hip than the iPod. I'm pretty sure about two things, 1) It won't try to cram a bazillion features into an ugly product (Oragami?) and 2) Microsoft probably won't be responsible.

I wouldn't be worried. (1)

Philodoxx (867034) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956512)

Considering the XBOX has lost 4 billion dollars for Microsoft over the past four years and they don't have market dominance, I wouldn't be at all afraid of anything J Allard is going to be bringing to the table. p.s. I own an XBOX, I'm just saying that his track record making "killer" devices is somewhat spotty.

MS missing the point of iPod yet again (4, Insightful)

hcdejong (561314) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956515)

I don't want a brick that's large enough to play video/games on. I want a music player that's small enough to fit in a pocket and be generally unobtrusive.

Re:MS missing the point of iPod yet again (3, Insightful)

Angostura (703910) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956548)

Where's my insightful mod points when I want them.

Then again, I still use a Palm V because I want a PDA to be a simple, small cheap PDA. So I'm probably not the target demographic.

i'd be tempted to get one... (1)

revery (456516) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956523)

Microsoft is developing a PSP/DS/GBA/iPod-killer

I'd be tempted to get excited about this, if they would simply add "cell phone", "refrigerator", and "automobile" to the list of things this product kills.
That's the kind of hype I could actually get behind!!!

Re:i'd be tempted to get one... (1)

omega9 (138280) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956570)

That's the kind of hype I could actually get behind!!!

And he was like.. and she was like...

She's all.. he's all.. we're all....

I can't get behind any of that!

Microsoft iPod Killer (1)

astonishedelf (845821) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956525)

Guess these guys are incapable of learning from past mistakes. The size and form factor of the device is one thing I am sure that Microsoft will get right. The problem will be in the GUI. Gaming devices require a different GUI to MP3 players to work successfully. Compromises get you nowhere. Apple has learned that lesson as has Nintendo with their GBA, ec. I remain unconvinced that battery life, robustness, different user requirements of the various devices can be successfully married. Wish these guys luck though - would certainly make an interesting addition to the market.

Killah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956532)

Will it also spread Worms, Viruses and get infected by Trojans?

Calling it that. (1)

JPriest (547211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956538)

"Ipod Killer" has become a codeword for "Won't sell". Maybe they shouold call it an Xbox killer, those seem to be more successful :)

MS business plan (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956545)

1 - Obtain list of most popular gadgets. 2 - Tout latest MS product as "[names of all said gadgets]-Killer." 3 - Ignore collective groan of entire human race. 4 - Profit..?

Let's do the vapourware boogie (2, Interesting)

Ginger Unicorn (952287) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956559)

Well well MS "announce" a "product" to preemptively compete in a market without actually having to enter that market. Perhaps one of the PSP-killing features will be the ability to download games over the Avalanche file sharing protocol.

Despite any pretences this thing is going to be 3 years late, the size of a shoebox, and it will be a slightly reconfigured WinVista PDA. It's primary function will be to "deliver" windows DRM. The ability to play some games will be secondary. MS will shore it up with an inexhaustible slush fund much like the xbox in order to subsidise the infiltration of windows DRM into common home appliances.

Microsofts Linux/OSX/BSD/AIX killer (3, Insightful)

mgblst (80109) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956565)

So this is to go with Microsofts Linux/OSX/BSD/AIX killer and Microsofts PS3/Revolution Killer and Microsofts Oracle/MySQL/PostgreSQL/PeopleSoft/Dbase Killer?

Sure a lot of killing going on.... supposedly.

Re:Microsofts Linux/OSX/BSD/AIX killer (1, Funny)

Pichu0102 (916292) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956754)

You forgot Microsoft's new product: The Chair Killer.

Why not just go the whole nine yards? (2, Funny)

tukkayoot (528280) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956603)

Microsoft should just go the whole nine and make it a cell phone killer as well. Also, include some scanners in the hardware so it can function as a preemptive tricorder killer.

Also, they should be sure to implement a fold-out cutting blade, screwdriver, corkscrew, can opener, toothpick and nail file so it can kill swiss army knives as well.

This is the product the global marketplace has been waiting for.

Drunk (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956605)

My Sharp SL-C3000 Zaurus does whatever Microsoft wants to do in a handheld already, therefore whatever MS comes up with is all hype and bollocks.

I'm drunk at the moment and even I could tell you that.

But wait... (1)

VxJasonxV (792809) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956631)

Wait a minute... didn't the Origami already get announced?

Re:But wait... (1)

martinmarv (920771) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956729)

Mod Parent up - surely this is just spurious late speculation about the Origami project? There was that video of someone playing Halo on an Origami-type device, and it's already been touted as a media player
TFA seems low on detail, high on "unnamed sources"...

Another one for the Ipod Killer Museum ... (2, Funny)

amelith (920455) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956633)

Exhibit no 2213 is housed in the west wing of the museum. This is a late (very late) 2007 Ipod Killer made by a now defunct company from Redmond that some people on the tour may remember. Like many of our other 3000 exhibits it suffered from being late to market, overhyped and having a battery life of approximately 27 seconds. The user interface also attracted severe criticism, based as it was on their then popular desktop operating system, that I believe was called "Panes XP" or something.

Move along please, there's always plenty to see in the Ipod Killer Museum. New Exhibits are arriving all the time!

What I don't get... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956635)

is why all these companies are out to build an 'iPod killer' when the iPod itself was an "MP3 player killer" that blew them all out of the water in the first place!

I have an RCA MP3 player from around 2002(I think? it was a gift) that has very little capacity, runs on AAA batteries and is basically the little MP3 player that couldn't. In order to make it really worth carrying around spare AAA batteries, you would have to purchase an SD card to expand the available storage, unless you have 4 songs that you absolutely love to hear over and over again. THAT kind of MP3 player is what the iPod was up against when it came out as an MP3 player with a harddrive.

Gee, let me think... $100 for a 32mb (maybe) MP3 player, and then another chunk of change for SD cards to listen to more than 20 minutes of decent sound quality music and changing AAA batteries every day, or $200-300 for an iPod with gigabytes of storage, a rechargeable battery and a great navigation menu that displays the name of the artist and song.

General Public: Hm, let me think about that one, and while I think about it, let me look at the designs of the "other" MP3 players vs the iPod..

/sarcasm a little help making the decision may be necessary.../end sarcasm

at a time when everyone else was creeping into the market and peeking through the doorway to see if there were enough people on the other side in the portable MP3 player market to make it worthwhile to go in, Apple busted down the door and slapped the iPod into the hands of 20-30 year olds and blew the roof off the market. And now everyone is playing catch-up, claiming their latest and greatest will dethrone the iPod.

I'm sorry, but Apple already stormed the market with a great design, the best software for the job, and a legal method of getting the MP3s to the people. Just give up and start selling accessories for iPods and try to make a profit off of things that change color with the beat of the music.

Don't tell me... (3, Funny)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956636)

...Microsoft bought the rights to Gizmondo, didn't they?

Last successful X-killer? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956644)

When was the last time Microsoft successfully created any X-killer?

They killed Netscape... anything after that?

Not THAT ridiculous. (2, Insightful)

ZombieRoboNinja (905329) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956659)

Of course any portable game system MS makes would be hyped as a DS/GBA/PSP killer; those are the competing products in that category. The MS marketing department would have to be pretty braindead NOT to claim that their as-yet-unreleased system is better than the stuff that's currently on the market.

That leaves "iPod killer" as the only questionable assertion. Well, here's how I read it: the system will have either a hard drive or a decent amount of flash memory. This would be great on a portable for all sorts of reasons (e.g., you could download the games to the system rather than carrying around 50 tiny cartridges). A WMA/MP3 player would only be one fairly simple app on such a system, so they may as well stick it in there and add another tick on the checklist.

Will it be a better MP3 player than an iPod? No, but who cares? The PS2 is a pretty terrible DVD player (low quality, clunky controls, noisy as heck), but it was that feature that convinced me to buy it over a GameCube.

Sony already tried (4, Insightful)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956662)

And about the only thing the PSP seems to be killing is... the PSP.

If Microsoft wishes to do the same thing as Sony, making a "gaming" handheld that does everything but actually play games, they'll get the same results.

Granted, they may make a better movie player than the PSP (depending on the specifics), but Microsoft is already losing the format wars with Apple over music formats (much like Sony) and if they aim for squeezing the "latest and greatest" in graphics and sound technology into the gaming function, it certainly isn't going to be as small as the iPod (like Sony). And, finally, like Sony, there'll be little more than "portable" (i. e. watered-down) versions of console games (read "Halo Lite").

In other news (1)

MadJo (674225) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956664)

Steve Ballmer is overheard saying: "I'm going to f-ing kill Apple/Nintendo/Sony." while smashing chairs.

Mkay (1)

Strell (877448) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956668)

I take it this thing is going to be bald, but try to convince me it isn't with its nice leather case, Converse shoes, and indie music.

An x86 based portable gaming machine? (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956677)

I can't see Microsoft veering away from that aspect, this will be x86 based, unless they're planning on using Windows Mobile running on a next generation StrongARM + third party 3D graphics accellerator (ATI Imageon?).

In a year's time the PSP's hardware will have gone through at least one process shrink - it'll be cheaper and it will have a longer battery life.

It will be extremely hard for Microsoft to enter this market, never mind compete. They've got the resources, but unless they can somehow make it play XBox1 games it'll just be ignored. I suppose they could try the classic 'price it $150 under cost' technique.

price tag? (1)

maniac/dev/null (170211) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956680)

So, its going to combine an iPod (retail price ~$300) and a PSP (reatail price ~$200).
There is no way this thing will be able to reatil for less than ~$400.00. At that price point (for a handheld) they've priced themselves out of reach for all but the most hardcore, affluent gamers. /me clutches my DS

And I thought $150.00 was a bit much.

(Speaking of the DS, I need to buy Tetris tomorrow...)

uhuh (1)

Antimatter3009 (886953) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956687)

I'll believe it when I see it (even then...)

yes but... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#14956700)

will it run WoW?

Competition is good! (1)

ursabear (818651) | more than 8 years ago | (#14956709)

If they pull it off in a way that the worldwide public will really like it, then it can be a good thing if it provides decent competition... (without monopolization, of course).

But seriously, my only worry is how the portable's over-heating-giant-power-dongle-on-a-cord (borrowed from the 360) will fit in my iPod wristband...
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