CATO Institute Releases Paper Criticizing DMCA

flanksteak writes "The CATO institute has published a paper criticizing the DMCA entitled 'The Perverse Consequences of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.' From the article: 'The DMCA is anti-competitive. It gives copyright holders--and the technology companies that distribute their content--the legal power to create closed technology platforms and exclude competitors from interoperating with them. Worst of all, DRM technologies are clumsy and ineffective; they inconvenience legitimate users but do little to stop pirates.'" A report worth taking a look at that puts into words what most of us know already.

All aboard.

[killjoe]

I am glad the right wing is getting on board in the fight against DMCA. Organizations like Cato are very big players in the right wing movement and this will certainly have an impact on the republicans who control all branches of the govt and the supreme court.

Re:All aboard.

[stewie's deuce]

Its http://www.cato.org/about/about.html [cato.org] actually more of a libertarian group. And libertarians favor less goverment control (more so than republicans.)

Re:All aboard.

[AuMatar]

Republicans don't favor less government control by any means. Look who has been controlling Congress and the white house this decade.

Re:All aboard.

[bhirsch]

You do realize who signed the DMCA into law don't you? It was a very non-partisan law.

Re:All aboard.

[schon]

Republicans don't favor less government control by any means.

You do realize who signed the DMCA into law don't you?

So.. your point is that everybody who wasn't involved in enacting *one specific law* (which doesn't mention government size) is automatically for less government control?

Sorry, I don't think that parses.

Re:All aboard.

[bhirsch]

My point is that both sides want government control.

There is no need to apologize though. Hopefully this one parses.

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[troll -1]

True it was non partisan. But mostly democrats by a small margin IIRC. Though it was really bought and paid for by the entertainment industry.

And this man [house.gov] is guiltly of malfeasance. Between 1997 and 1998 he accepted over $50,000 [opensecrets.org] from the entertainment industry in exchange for indroducing the DMCA to Congress. It's what Ralf Nader calls legalized bribery. You give us money, we'll support your bill. Oh the madness of it!

Re:All aboard.

[bhirsch]

I actually recall it being pretty close to unanimous.

Re:All aboard.

[Urusai]

Perhaps you could call them right-wing, if you realize that the Republicans are NOT conservatives, and haven't been since Ronnie "let's run up the largest national debt in history" Reagan. They just like to pose as conservatives as a campaign strategy, since their real agenda wouldn't sell well to the public.

Re:All aboard.

[kimvette]

Hasn't Bush's deficit overtaken Ronnie Raygun's by now? I mean, fighting two undeclared wars concurrently AND increasing government bloat AND funding "economic development" abroad has to have incurred some amount of debt, and I can't fathom that Reagan spent more money than that, even after adjusting for inflation.

(no, I honestly don't know, this is a serious question, not a flamebait comment or anything of that ilk)

Re:All aboard.

[utlemming]

That is the problem with modern politics. The poltical parties have blurred the lines between what a conservative and liberal is, requiring them to align with a political party. When in fact, the politcal parties fluctuate so much, move left and right, that depending on where your politcal ideology actually lies, you might be more in line with the democrats on presidental term and the republicans the next. With each election the politcal parties attempt to capture the magical middle of the political spectrum, while at the same time pushing forward their left or right wing agendas. However, since it is all politics, the pure ideology of being a conservative or a liberal is usually lost. In the case of the current administration, Pres. Bush has pushed the country more towards the right, while pursuing a course that a lot of conservatives disagree with (for example, conservatitves are for less government, less regulation, and less government in their lives). Pres. Bush has done more to put the government in people's lifes than what a true conservative would have done. So when all is said and done, a politiian may claim to be a conservative to capture that voting base, but then abuse them and actually pursue a course that runs counter that ideology. The same holds true for a liberals and the democrats. And what we think of being oxymoronic, you can actually be a conservative democrat. The conservative and liberal are all just titles of the ideology. While the political parties are the method and the means to implementing that ideology. American politics are somewhat of an enigma in the world. With a two party system, somehow we loose the fact that the vast majority of Americans do not fit neatly in two parties. However, since third parties have proven to be ineffective and are ignored by the two other parties, then most American's simply say Democrat, Republican or Independant.

My personal feeling is that the politcal landscaping is going to start changing soon so that the Democrats and Republicans are going to have to acknowledge the independants. They are going to have to change their platform to be flexiable. The difference between a Republican and Democrat is so minimial that the rest of the world largely laughs at America. In other countries you have poltical parties that run from Communist to straight out facsist. But in the US you have two groups that are so close to the middle that they actually fight over capturing the middle ground.

Another interesting thing is that many self-labeled conservates and liberals may not actually be such. For example a conservative may actually be an economic or neoliberal and be a social conservative. Or libertarians for the most part are economic and social liberals. Or what many democratic politicans tend to be, which is economic conservatives and social liberals. The problem with the parties is that they mix and blur what the issues really are and they don't have clear policy statements about their parties positions.

Don't underestimate David Koch's money

[Valdrax]

Don't underestimate the political pull of the Cato Institute [sourcewatch.org] and other lobbying institutions founded by the Koch family. [sourcewatch.org] They are very influential to the other business-friendly, anti-regulation political think-tanks including those followed by more Republican than Liberatarian politicians. In addition, the David Koch donates an awful lot of money to Republicans. [newsmeat.com] If his think tank gets involved against the DMCA, we might see to chance of progress here.

Re:Don't underestimate David Koch's money

[arminw]

.......If his think tank gets involved against the DMCA, we might see to chance of progress here......

The French assembly may help kill the DMCA. They just passed a law mandating DRM interoperability of the various DRM schemes and making it legal to make DRM circumventing devices and software. If this finally becomes law in France, (and there is a good chance it will)the cat is out of the bag. There will be a thousand French websites that will allow the purchase of and downloading of DRM killing software.

Re:All aboard.

[chudnall]

Its actually more of a libertarian group.

Translation: I like what they're saying, so I don't want to associate them with conservatism.

I've talked to a lot of libertarians, to try to figure out what really motivates them, and found that by and large each of them is enthusiastic about one particular piece of the libertarian platform, and willing to go along with the rest of it. Some want smaller government, some want more privacy, some want legalized drugs, etc. My conclusion is that libertarians are made u

Re:All aboard.

[takeya]

The Cato people really are bonafide libertarians actually.

Anti-government, pro-consensual society.
As economists, they dislike the root causes for inflation, and the fact that the fed has one private bank print all our money.

Conservatives tend to love it when the government controls things like money and marriage and drugs.

Re:All aboard.

[Doc Ruby]

$3TRILLION a year Federal budget. $45TRILLION of committed US debt, largely to enemies like China.

The Republican transformation of government according to "Conservative" ideology: the least effective government at any price.

Re:All aboard.

[Doc Ruby]

You don't understand what committed debt is. It's the amount of debt that current budgets, in law, commit the US to.

The highly Conservative, and often machiavellian supporter of Bush, American Enterprise Institute produced a study of the "fiscal imbalance" to which we're committed [aei.org] for Paul O'Neill, then Secretary of the Treasury. That got O'Neill fired by Bush because it revealed the depths of catastrophe to which Bush has condemned us. Bush has since created only more debt.

$45 TRILLION in committed debt. $

Re:All aboard.

[Doc Ruby]

Bush is responsible for most of that debt, as it's been introduced in the last 5 years. Most of the rest of that debt was produced by Reagan/Bush in 1981-1993. Only a tiny fraction was produced prior to Reagan. Clinton produced a net surplus in his 8 year administration. So it's pretty clear that this is a "Bush debt". You want to run the country, you own the results you create. You break it, you own it.

We are currently paying out that debt, including huge (and only growing) interest. We just raised the (sn

Re:All aboard.

[Doc Ruby]

I don't know what you're getting at with Social Security. SS is a working program that is working. It pays not only for itself, but funds a lot of our debt. If anything, SS needs to be fixed to accomodate profligate Baby Boomers by getting interest from the rest of the Federal debt it supports. But as a Federal pension program, which invests in the steady huge productivity growth of American labor, it is a sound success.

Now, if you want to talk about the returns on our $1T annual military/intelligence inves

Re:All aboard.

[AxemRed]

I don't think that the CATO institute is really right-wing. They are more libertarian.

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[yurnotsoeviltwin]

Technically, Libertarian IS really right wing. The Republican party hasn't actually been acting all that right-wing lately, to be honest.

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[RsG]

The best summation of the two main American political parties I've seen goes something like this: Both parties are conservative reactionaries. The Democrats are conservatives who want to drag America back to the 1960's and the Republicans are conservatives who want to drag America back to the 50's.

Neither party is in favour of individual liberty or rights. Neither favours smaller government or reduced government spending. They differ only in what past era they wish to recreate.

Re:All aboard.

[AJWM]

Technically, Libertarian IS really right wing.

Nope, not that either. Libertarians are fond of pointing out that the whole "left-right" thing is an artificial constriction to one axis what is better measured by at least two axes.

There are a number of ways of presenting this, but a common one is the amount of government control (or conversely, freedom) of personal issues on one axis and economic issues on the other. Democrats tend toward more personal freedom (except in some areas, eg gun ownership) and les

Re:All aboard.

[Curunir_wolf]

So you have chosed to follow a facist track then a socialist one.

I see you have chosen to skip English class.

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[Valdrax]

Libertarianism and Communism both suffer from the same problem: they expect people to behave.

Communism fails because it expects people to work without much incentive. Libertarianism fails because it expects people not to do harm to each other. Both are unrealistic expectations and cause both extremist philosophies to lack credibility.

Re:All aboard.

[RsG]

The basic principal libertarians tend to apply when it comes to people hurting each other is "my right to swing my fist ends where your face begins". Essentially, the assumption is that an ideal government would still have law and order (based on protection people's rights), but would be expected not to interfere in people's live beyond that.

Now, if you meant that a libertarian government wouldn't be able to control things like corporate misbehavior, or that small, low-tax government wouldn't be able to provide policing as well as it can now, then perhaps you're right. But if you seriously thing that mist libertarians want zero government at all, then you need to check your facts. Like the other posters said libertarian =! anarchist.

Re:All aboard.

[AJWM]

If more libertarians were honest with themselves, they'd recognize that corporations are a government construct that shouldn't ought to exist in a true libertarian state. It's the government-granted limitation on corporate liability that helps cause what you call predatory behaviour.

If shareholders were as liable for the company's actions as the partners in a partnership are, they'd be a bit more concientious about said company's behaviour. At least after a few stockholders or fund managers went to jail or had their life savings sued out from under them.

Libertarianism is about personal responsibility -- the opposite of what a limited liability corporation is about.

Re:All aboard.

[NormalVisual]

Count me as a libertarian that agrees with your statements re: corporations - I've made these very same points here on /. before. If you want to remove limits on corporate regulation, fine, but you should also be willing to forgo the corresponding protections offered by the government. I don't know whether it would be practical to hold individual shareholders responsible, but it would certainly be possible to hold at least the board members personally liable.

Also, the threat of losing the corporate cha

Re:All aboard.

[Lehk228]

it's not that corporations shouldn't exist, but rhater they MUST be regulated by the government because no corporation is guided by a sense of right and wrong greater than a balance sheet. an artificial construct should not automatically gain the same freedoms that a person has.

Re:All aboard.

[bnenning]

the Liberatarian only sees direct violence as worth stopping

They also recognize fraud as a violation of rights. So in Libertopia there would be no FDA, but you still couldn't falsely claim that the drug you're selling cures cancer, and if it had known negative side effects you would probably be liable if you didn't disclose them. This would likely give rise to one or more private certification agencies.

I'm only a small-l libertarian so I don't necessarily advocate going this far, but it's not implausible.

Not really

[Gorimek]

Actually, Libertarians are less trusting of people than others, but in ways you may be unaccustomed to.

For example, we assume people are no more trustworthy because they've been elected or appointed to a government position. So having government officials overseeing some area to guard against crooked companies is not seen as a solution, since the officials are just as likely to be crooked - and if they are they can cause a lot more damage.

This perspective of deep distrust and cynicism is confusing to many, and can lead to the misunderstanding of the parent article, but once you get used to it, it can be quite productive and enlightening.

Re:All aboard.

[IgnoramusMaximus]

You mean, like a CEO getting a 400% higher wage than the poor slob who actually produces the wealth?

That is a clear indication of breakage in the supposedly capitalist system. Any de-coupling of an individual's "merit" to society and the rewards he receives is a failure of the free marketplace. Most Japanese companies' CEOs, for example, earn 10 times the median worker's salary. Not that the Japanese marketplace is by any means ideal, far from it, but it gives a clear indication that 10-fold increase in we

Re:All aboard.

[chanceH]

The fact is that CATO always stands up for big business against the public.

except here, where they are againt the DMCA. So your "fact" is wrong. [here is the part where I really want to insult you but am resisting]

Unfortunately for all of us, libertarianism is another example of a one-size-fits-all ideology

Now thats funny! You criticize a position paper (or just the authoring organization, completely ignoring what they are actually saying) on one specific piece of legislation, which goes out

Re:All aboard.

[arodland]

Whether they call themselves "libertarian" or just simply "corporatist" is irrelevant

To equate libertarianism with love for "corporations" is so blind as to be scary. You see, the only thing that makes a corporation is government power. A government edict says "Company XYZ, you have unaccountably come by some of the rights of a natural person, even though this makes no sense, and on top of that, you're covered by a sort of communist collective-responsibility arrangement that will protect those truly respons

Pirates

[Eightyford]

I wish people would stop calling people who share software, pirates.

Re:Pirates

[InfiniteWisdom]

I wish people would stop calling people who share software, pirates.
I agree. In fact, while we're busy insisting that words can't take on new meaning or have multiple meanings, I wish they'd stop referring to "executing" software unless they were killing it, or "running" it unless the softwere grew legs and ran away.

Re:Pirates

[interiot]

While we're at it, I hear there are people out there who spell things "colour" and "tyres". And the japanese use funny squiggles to spell those words!

Human language: it's unambiguous and somewhat inefficient. Get over it.

Re:Pirates

[MicktheMech]

While we're at it, I hear there are people out there who spell things "colour" and "tyres". And the japanese use funny squiggles to spell those words!

Human language: it's unambiguous and somewhat inefficient. Get over it.

That joke doesn't work when you use the right spelling. Remember, it's called "English", not "American".

Re:Pirates

[NeutronCowboy]

You missed the point of the original poster. Too bad. Otherwise you'd understand that insisting on calling copyright infringement "copyright infringement" and not "piracy" is so that the RIAA/MPAA can't create the emotional response of "hang 'em high!" when they ask what should be done with P2P downloaders.

This is not some academic exercise in language purity. This is a fight to keep the debate about copyright infringement right where it belongs - in the realm of copyright law, not violent takeover of personal property.

Re:Pirates

[Big_Al_B]

I've always wondered if, when a pirate's ship sinks, he can get a bank to float him a loan to get back on the high seas.

And then I wonder if the loan officer has any pirated music or software on his work computer.

I get confused sometimes, but I do manage to keep my shoes laces tied in knots. How fast is that in mph?

Re:Pirates

[Jambon]

I wish people would stop calling people who share software, pirates.

But we YARRRRR pirates! I don't know about yerself, mate, but when I gets me music, I goes into the music store cutlass in hand, killing employees left and right before I make off with the latest Jessica Simpson!! Yarrr, she be a good-lookin' lass...if only I could plunder her.....

Re:Pirates

[Haeleth]

I wish people would stop calling people who share software, pirates.

People don't call people who share software "pirates". Nobody accuses RMS or Linus Torvalds of piracy. The people we call pirates are the people who make unlicensed copies of other people's software, which is not exactly "sharing" in the neighbourly sense.

As for calling people who make unlicensed copies of other people's work "pirates", well, according to the SOED in front of me, people have been using the noun "pirate" to mean "someone who infringes on the copyright of another" since 1701, and the verb "pirate" to mean "to appropriate or reproduce the work or invention of another without authority" since at least 1706. So, no - given that we've been using the word that way for at least 300 years, I rather doubt we're going to stop now.

Re:Pirates

[NeutronCowboy]

And you still missed the point why this fight to recenter the word is important. I won't plagiarize my own post from about 2 seconds ago, but the point is that piracy has an emotional baggage to it that the RIAA/MPAA are taking advantage of. Copyright infringement doesn't. Which is why its important that this gets repeated everywhere and everytime.

So - repeat after me. Copyright infringement is not piracy. Copyright infringement is not piracy. Copyright infringement is not piracy. Now, go forth and spread t

CATO?

[Umbral Blot]

Exactlty how important is CATO in the scheme of things. Will this report reach the ears of politicians / mass media, or will it go largely unnoticed except by slashdot? I don't think we are going to see the DMCA revoked unless the public cares enough to put pressure on their representatives, and honestly the public isn't informed enough to care. So will this report help mobize people or are they just preaching to the choir?

Re:CATO?

[hunterx11]

Exactlty how important is CATO in the scheme of things.

Perhaps not very, but they're certainly a lot more influential than the EFF, for example, so I would say this is a good thing.

Re:CATO?

[centie]

Well, according to http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A42525-20 05Feb21?language=printer [washingtonpost.com]

Nowadays, Cato alumni are everywhere in the Bush administration and in groups advancing the president's Social Security initiative. Former Cato analyst Andrew G. Biggs is an associate commissioner of the Social Security Administration. The director of the Alliance for Worker Retirement Security, Derrick A. Max, previously worked for Abdnor (when she was at Cato) and for Weaver (when she was at the American Enterprise Institute)...

..and theres several more. So I'd think this is at least likely to be noticed by politicians and the media, if they take any notice or not is a different matter though..

Re:CATO?

[hotdiggitydawg]

Cato is very important. He attacks when you least expect it, to keep your defences sharp. Unfortunately he usually winds up being beaten into submission.

In related news, the CEO of Disney started channeling Peter Sellers earlier today, and was heard to say "Cato! You imbecile! Not now!" and "Cato... Cato... Where are you my little yellow friend?"

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Re:CATO?

[Big_Al_B]

Generally speaking, Libertarians preach to a very dedicated, very small choir.

Occasionally one of their messages will get mainstream traction, but I'm betting that this is too esoteric to resonate with the mainstream.

Re:CATO?

[stlhawkeye]

Exactlty how important is CATO in the scheme of things. Will this report reach the ears of politicians / mass media, or will it go largely unnoticed except by slashdot? I don't think we are going to see the DMCA revoked unless the public cares enough to put pressure on their representatives, and honestly the public isn't informed enough to care. So will this report help mobize people or are they just preaching to the choir?

The CATO institute is a libertarian think-tank that is largely embraced by the Amer

Re:CATO?

[stlhawkeye]

Then I've met terribly few honest left-wing liberals, I'm sorry to say.... and I lived in the SF Bay Area for over two years, too.

I wish I could say differently... :-(

I've met very few honest people on either end of the political spectrum. Very few who actually listen to the argument of the opposition and either rebut it with facts and logic or, if they cannot do that, accept it as valid until they can. But when you get away from the mainstream media and politicians and armchair pundits and start di

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[Yartrebo]

CATO is very influential with the current administration. They're very powerful.

I generally hate their opinions, but in this case I guess they figured that even big business (their prime constituency) can get bitten by the DMCA.

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CATO is a MAJOR Washington DC think tank

[fortinbras47]

Exactlty how important is CATO in the scheme of things. Will this report reach the ears of politicians / mass media, or will it go largely unnoticed except by slashdot? I don't think we are going to see the DMCA revoked unless the public cares enough to put pressure on their representatives, and honestly the public isn't informed enough to care. So will this report help mobize people or are they just preaching to the choir?

They are THE libertarian think tank and one of the top think tanks in the nation.

translation...

[zen611]

translation:

I'm glad you can't sell content for my box! Oh, wait...You mean I can't sell content for your box either?

In the end, it won't make much difference

[tkrotchko]

In the end, this won't make a bit of difference in the U.S. until it costs corporations money.

Look at patents. People knowledgable about patents and software have almost universally criticized software & business method patents, but the only reason congress and the patent office is starting to look at it is because its costing big corporations money.

You see, the trouble is, when you have people like Alan Greespan saying more copyrights and patents are vital to the U.S.'s economic growth, when congress perceives the entertainment industry as being the growth engine for the U.S. economy, then its tough for congress to vote against these kinds of laws.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/BoardDocs/Speeches/2 003/20030404/default.htm [federalreserve.gov]
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2004/march3/ greenspan-33.html [stanford.edu]

Until these same companies feel a pinch from the DMCA, it doesn't matter what the real impact of the law is, it's the message that's carried by the press, by the fed chairman, by the heads of industry such as Bill Gates that will determine the fate of the DMCA.

You mean like Microsoft?

[SuperKendall]

In the end, this won't make a bit of difference in the U.S. until it costs corporations money.

DRM is costing Microsoft and plenty of other companies big time - by allowing Apple to have a strnglehold on the industry. Would Apple's position be as lofty if every online music store sold MP3's?

I'd probably still have an iPod but not ALL my online purchases would be going to Apple.

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[mdielmann]

I have to say, I read both pages you linked to (at least where they started talking about intellectual property), and I can't say I disagree with him, at least from an economic standpoint. If you have a moral objection to IP, he probably won't sway you much. Let's look at a few of his statements.

"Whether we protect intellectual property as an inalienable right or as a privilege vouchsafed by the sovereign, such protection inevitably entails making some choices that have crucial implications for the balance we strike between the interests of those who innovate and those who would benefit from innovation." A balance between the benefit of society and the benefit of the inventor? I can live with that. I have no problem with giving someone enough time to make good on their idea before all the me-toos jump on the bandwagon. Where that balance lies is the crucial thing, though.

"Of particular current relevance to our economy overall is the application of property right protection to information technology. A noticeable component of the surge in the trend growth of the economy in recent years arguably reflects the synergy of laser and fiber optic technologies in the 1960s and 1970s." Uh oh, he's talking about IP in the IT world, almost sounds scary. But his next statement is about hardware, and highly technical hardware no less. This is the closest he gets to talking about software patents. I'd love to hear him address that issue specifically, but so far, I can't disagree. IT has often piggy-backed on the IP of other areas, most notably because it's usually implemented as an abstract (virtual, if you prefer) version of a physical object. Other times it's because of the improvements of physical items that has increased the capacity of equipment used in the IT world.

"The dramatic gains in information technology have markedly improved the ability of businesses to identify and address incipient economic imbalances before they inflict significant damage. These gains reflect new advances in both the physical and the conceptual realms. It is imperative to find the appropriate intellectual property regime for each." That sounds suspiciously like "IP needs different protections for physical inventions versus conceptual inventions, and different rules may apply" to me. Again, an astute observation, and more obvious from an economic standpoint than most others. The IT world behaves differently than much of the physical world - why would we expect treating them the same to work without problems?

That's just a few of the things he has to say. I strongly recommend anyone who is concerned about IP, especially the economic impact of IP, read that speech. He's pointing the way to both criteria to test if IP law is effective, and means to formulate a solution to any problems found in IP law. If you can't get rid of IP law altogether (and I'm not sure I want to), at least arguments like his could guide us towards a more rational implementation. And all in an economic fashion, which matters far more to government than opinions, feelings, or ideals these days.

CATO conservative? Right-wing?

[Anonymous Coward]

CATO is libertarian. CATO's consistent criticism against interventionism and the drug war hardly puts them in the mainstream of right-wing conservatism.

"Left versus right."

[Captain Scurvy]

Cato is to the right. Cato promotes free market (i.e., classical) liberalism. Main stream conservatism, otherwise known as neoconservatism, is a mish-mash of collectivism with some vague lip-service to (classical) liberalism thrown in. Have a look at some of the writings by F.A. Hayek, Milton Friedman, et al. These are your right-wingers. Compare these writings to the writings of Irving Kristol, who started the neoconservative movement. They are ideologically incompatible.

Re:"Left versus right."

[eris23007]

Mod Scurvy's post up. It's about time more people understood that "conservative" is not a swear word. I suspect a whole lot more of you slashdotters lean for more libertarian than you realize. That has been the case frequently over conversations I've had with a number of liberal friends, once they actually started listening to my arguments instead of blindly reacting against the conservative bogeyman.

Incidentally, Cato is far more pragmatic and realistic than the Libertarian party. I know a number of folks who are trying to make the LP more Cato-like in its platform (as opposed to anarcho-capitalist), and if they are successful, the LP could very well become an intriguing, influential 3rd party in this country. Keep an eye on this, as it may turn out to be a tremendous way to escape the current domination of the Democans and the Republicrats.

One such individual is the guy I voted for Congress in 2004 when I used to live in Silicon Valley. Interesting fellow, software engineer at Yahoo. Holds a set of viewpoints broadly compatible with my own, despite a few disagreements over specifics. This is the guy who bet voters $2 that they could read his website and still decide they didn't want to vote for him or somesuch. He's pretty active in the Libertarian Party of CA trying to get them to come up with a platform that's somewhat practical, as opposed to purely ideological and idealistic. His website (a great read): http://marketliberal.org/ [marketliberal.org] - go check it out.

Re:"Left versus right."

[flood6]

Thanks for pointing out that site. I hadn't seen it before. But Jeebus, it's ugly as sin, you'd think there would be a Libertarian around there willing to donate some webmaster skills. At any rate, I always like to see minor party candidates taking a visible stand (especially Libertarians). Trying to bring some moderation to to Libertarians' sometimes extreme views should be attractive to a larger group of voters. But he comes across as pretty harsh; I wonder if the bottom-right cell of his site comes

Re:"Left versus right."

[argoff]

This is intentional, a standard divide and conquer tactic. Instead of people choosing economic freedoms AND personal freedoms, all to often the enemies of freedom try to force one to fignt against the other.

But now we have the internet, and dividing culture that way is becomming a lot harder. That most likely means that the contention and divisions are going to be more international (like islam vs the west), and that there will be a major shakeup in the two party system.

I wouldn't be supprised if the Demo

Misleading

[SuperKendall]

Worst of all, DRM technologies are clumsy and ineffective; they inconvenience legitimate users but do little to stop pirates.

I take exception to the woring this phrase, for the use of "little to stop pirates" implies that there might actually exist some for of DRM that would in fact ever stop piracy, especially the real pirates and not just mislabled fourty-year old women.

Re:Misleading

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I take exception to the woring this phrase, for the use of "little to stop pirates" implies that there might actually exist some for of DRM that would in fact ever stop piracy, especially the real pirates and not just mislabled fourty-year old women.

Actually, the phrase is clearly referring to "DRM technologies" in general. If it had said "current DRM technologies" you might have a legitimate concern about the wording.

Hurting Consumers in more ways than one

[Geekbot]

The DMCA hurts consumers in more than one way.

First, it hurts the end user or consumer by imposing government restrictions on how we use things that we "own". Or more to the point, we no longer own things that we buy.

It also hurts us that we don't see competition. This means higher prices, collusion, price gouging, and all the other nasties that come along with pseudo-monopolies.

We are further harmed by the lack of new jobs and opportunities. Real growth for our country is not in the 1000+ employee multinational corporations, but in the small companies employing 25 or less employees. The DMCA seriously harms innovation and prohibits companies that are more truly American companies from growing, making money, paying taxes, and employing more workers.

And we get the short end of the stick when these companies no longer need to innovate from the unnatural monopoly caused by the DMCA protects them from newer, more competent competitors. Not only do we not see the innovative, improved, products from fresher companies, we also see outdated technology from the companies that have lost the need to improve in a free market system.

Re:Hurting Consumers in more ways than one

[Harry Coin]

First, it hurts the end user or consumer by imposing government restrictions on how we use things that we "own". Or more to the point, we no longer own things that we buy.

The problem is not "government" restrictions, but government enforcement of private restrictions. The DMCA allows corporations to renegotiate the terms of a sale at their whim. There's a long and sound tradition of case law covering the purchase of goods. (doctrine of first sale, fair use, reverse engineering, etc..) This gets throw

A brief political science lesson...

[bhirsch]

Libertarians are effectively traditional conservatives and still share much of their political philosophy with the Republicans. They come out with many studies, traditionally siding with Republicans and Libertarians. Many leftist groups have labeled them as a right-wing group.

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Cage Match!

[overshoot]

Cato has clout. Especially in a Republican Congress, where any support from Hollywierd and the music industry is, shall we say, less than whole-hearted.

Looks like this is going to come around to a very interesting game of bedfellow swapping:

• On one side, the nominally populist Democrats supporting:
  • the fat cats of the Content Cartel (mainly because they get a lot of nonmonetary support from that quarter) and
  • the very biggest of tech firms (the biggest of big business) vs.
• The Republicans (who talk a better personal-liberty line than they deliver) supporting
  • The relatively libertarian thinktanks (Cato, etc.)
  • the smaller tech firms, and
  • Actual citizens (don't read too much into this.)

I'll get the beer if you bring the pretzels -- this should be fun to watch going into an off-year election. Wonder if any of our Ruling Class are going to make a campaign issue of it?

It's not CATO...

[posterlogo]

It's "The Cato Institute" http://www.cato.org/about/about.html [cato.org]. CATO doesn't spell out anything. It's "Cato", named after "Cato's Letters" -- used as anonymous treatises pro-American Revolution by some founding fathers, named after an ancient Roman "Cato", who wrote against tyranny and oppression in his day and age.

The pendulum swings

[a_greer2005]

Copyright, and fair use have been a pendulum swinging from consumers to creators and back over the last 100 years or more, it started with player pianos, and the phonograph, then radio/tv, then consumer recorders, and so on.

This is a step in pushing the pendulum back, as is, I believe the forthcoming HDMI/HDCP time-bomb. Just stick to it and the pendulum will go back. When we win, the media comenies win too, look at radio, look at vinal/tape/CD...

Let not your heart be troubled and keep up the good fight.

Read the 28 page report

[Tsunayoshi]

To all you people screaming about how stupid CATO is, what is their political intent, etc, I suggest you read through the entire 28 page report. A lot of facts and examples are presented where the DMCA has been the trump card preventing a number of legitimate fair uses of copyrighted/DRM'd stuff.

Hell, there are even 2 or 3 reference to things like building LEGAL software DVD players for linux, or how Alan Cox resigned from an association because he didn't want to face the possibility of being arrested if he ever visited the US for a conference, since his kernel work sometimes involves reverse engineering.

Regardless of who wrote it or what the hell the political bent of the authors are, it all but says the the DMCA is a stupid act that was not needed since there were already legal means and precedents in existence to cover what the DMCA blanketly prohibits.

DRM Technology?

[rnd()]

First off, I am a huge fan of Cato, and I subscribe to several of its publications.

But, the blurb is misleading. The DMCA isn't DRM technology it's simply regulation.

I do not like the DMCA, but I do like legitimate DRM technology. If someone engineers a product to make it difficult to copy, that is their business. If you copy it and violate copyright, that's their business, but we don't need an intermediate law saying it's illegal to even attempt to crack the DRM scheme.

In other words, the technology should stand on its own.

On the topic of DRM circumvention

[From A Far Away Land]

I recently came into possession of a free iPod Shuffle, and since I was away from home I put it on my laptop at work. I learned a day later that you can only install iTunes onto one computer otherwise it will try to delete the music you've put on the iPod from the other computer.

Thinking that was a pretty crappy way to operate something that should be as easy to add music to as copying files though My Computer to the iPod removable drive, I did a google search that would be illegal in the United States of America.

I came up with this:
software that operates the Shuffle without running iTunes [agoraphobeus.free.fr] *
which allows me to copy music to my iPod and generate a playlist without iTunes messing up my life.
*Offer void in the United States of America. Turnabout from the infamous [at least in the Rest of the World] "Offer void outside of the USA" is pretty sweet I do say so myself.

France's recent bill

[Submarine]

I note that France's National assembly recently adopted a bill that balanced criminal and civil penalties for circumventing systems deemed to implement DRMs with a clause saying that publishers of DRM systems should be ready to give out specifications of these DRMs to anybody willing to implement a compatible player.

This move was derided in the US as some "anti-iPod law".

Well, the motivation for this was that the criminal and civil penalties initially envisioned by the DADVSI law would have de facto created a new kind of intellectual property around DRMs, with DRM companies potentially being able to prosecute competitors for making compatible players (which can be easily construed as facilitating the weakening of the protection).

The law was then balanced so as to avoid this.

Re:hehe

[InfiniteWisdom]

The CATO institute is a libertarian think tank. Libertarianism falls into the left wing of the traditional classification of politial thought in some ways and right wing in others.

Re:hehe

[Firethorn]

The CATO institute is a libertarian think tank.

They're still very much on the right wing side of many issues, but they are fairly libertarian on economic issues.

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Re:hehe

[drinkypoo]

My understanding is that there are four primary positions, and that libertarians occupy one of the outlying positions if you assume that reps and dems are the primary poles in this country - which they are. Reps (conservatives) want to control personal issues and not control the economy. Dems (liberals) are ostensibly the other way around. Libs would prefer not to control either. Populists want to control both. Do I have that right? Anyway, reps and libs have [primarily] the same economic views - free marke

Re:hehe

[bhirsch]

Actually, I've heard NPR refer to them as a tool for the Republicans on at least two or three occasions. And of course NPR is totally non-partisan, so they must be right.

Re:hehe

[stlhawkeye]

The CATO institute is a libertarian think tank. Libertarianism falls into the left wing of the traditional classification of politial thought in some ways and right wing in others.

The libertarians, on balance, have far more in common with the Republican part of the mid 1990's than any other major American political idealogy. The only major thinks they have in common with Democrats is they oppose having our military involved overseas and are generally pro-choice. And frankly the Democrats are only anti-Iraq because they're the opposition party and the opposition party traditionally opposes the leadership party's foreign policy. Foreign policies are almost necessarily interventionalist, even the most hands-off of foreign policies must sometimes be interventionalist (e.g., President Clinton), and such manuevers are easy targets for the opposition party. So you can take that one away and you're basically left with the pro-choice issue. Libertarians are also more likely to support gay marriage, but neither party wants to go anywhere near that one, uncharacteristically deferring it to state courts.

If you do a run-down on the issues you get a group of people who are intensely dedicated to private property and individual freedom issues, and other than gay marriage and abortion, Republicans overwhelming want the government out of people's lives and everyday decision making as much as possible. Well, in theory anyway. In practice they spend just as much money on pointless and worthless government programs that don't solve anything.

Re:hehe

[WindBourne]

In theorey, the republicans and democrats have a great deal more in common than does the libertarians. Get past the lip service of what republicans say. Look at what they do.

The speak of balanced budgets. Well, the last republican to run a balance budget was Nixon. The last before that was Lincoln. Basically, they do not balance budgets. In fact, some 95% of the deficit is republican.

Republicans speak of competition. Yet, did you see any competition for servicing Iraq? How is hallibutron doing?

They spea

Re:Necessary?

[jackbird]

The United States' entry into World War 2?

Re:hehe

[MyNymWasTaken]

Libertarianism falls into the left wing [...] in some ways and right wing in others.

Or better put, it's completely tangential to both. Left (Liberal) vs. right (Conservative) isn't useful, much less accurate, when talking about the border case Libertarian & Statist philosophies. More appropriate is a 4-point diamond with Libertarian & Statist opposite of each other and perpendicular to Liberal & Conservative; with Centrists in the middle.

Take the World's Smallest Political Quiz [theadvocates.org].

Quiz & explanation [theadvocates.org] (PDF file)

Libertarians support a great deal of liberty and freedom of choice in both personal and economic matters. They believe government's only purpose is to protect people from coercion and violence. They value individual responsibility, and tolerate economic and social diversity.

Left-Liberals generally embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but support central decision-making in economics. They want the government to help the disadvantaged in the name of fairness. Leftists tolerate social diversity, but work for what they might describe as "economic equality."

Right-Conservatives favor freedom of choice on economic issues, but want official standards in personal matters. They tend to support the free market, but frequently want the government to defend the community from what they see as threats to morality or to the traditional family structure.

Centrists favor selective government intervention and emphasize what they commonly describe as "practical solutions" to current problems. They tend to keep an open mind on political issues. Many centrists feel that government serves as a check on excessive liberty.

Statists want government to have a great deal of control over individuals and society. They support centralized planning, and often doubt whether liberty and freedom of choice are practical options. At the very bottom of the chart, left-authoritarians are usually called socialists, while right-authoritarians are generally called fascists.

Re:hehe

[Mark_in_Brazil]

Libertarianism falls into the left wing of the traditional classification of politial thought in some ways and right wing in others.

I prefer to think of there being two perpendicular axes. This model is vastly superior to a single one-dimensional "left-right" scale. The Libertarian Party of the US uses one two-dimensional political scale, but I prefer the one used by The Political Compass [politicalcompass.org], because I like the axes it uses. One axis is the economic left-right axis, where left is more (ECONOMICALLY) soci

Seriously.

[Chmcginn]

http://www.homestarrunner.com/ [homestarrunner.com]

Re:more paper

[wiggles]

If you hold cordial discourse and publish papers, those in power will be more inclined to listen to you, especially if those in power have agreed with you in the past. If you arm yourself and demonstrate in the streets, you're branded a nut and hauled off to jail for weapons violations, and noone pays any attention to you.

The important thing with this story here is that we have a significant victory. We, the DMCA opposing people of the country, have succeeded in convincing an organization with considerable influence with those who disagree with us that we're right. Now, this gives our lobbiests, such as the EFF and FSF, some significant ammuntion when trying to convince congress that the DMCA is a bad thing. Maybe there's some hope after all.

Re:Like I always say...

[lheal]

Like I always say, the only way to prevent people from doing something is to make them to not want to do it.

There are two ways to say this, depending on a subtlety of your intended meaning. If you mean to describe them as actively against a thing, you would say "to make them want not to do it".

If you mean merely not to be for a thing, you would say "to make them not want to do it".

In any case, avoid splitting the infinitive ("to" + verb). Think of the infinitive form as a single word, and it's a l

Re:My comments...

[drinkypoo]

I work for the CATO institute and helped write this paper
[...]
Because some Slashdotters believe anything they hear.

I don't believe you. I did a google search and no one called "onymous hero" was credited for anything on CATO's site.

More seriously though, you just came off like a complete and total ass. If I believed that you worked for them, I would now have even less respect for CATO than I do now.

Luckily, I don't believe anything I read. Including, now, anything I see with your name on it.

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Re:CATO == dorks

[hsmith]

If you think about it for more than a second, you'd realize what they were talking about. When you heard that there would be a shortage, what happened? Everyone and their mother went out and filled up, topping off, thus causing a shortage and increasing prices. It wasn't the only reason, but it did help lead to a big shortage.

wow

[karb]

So what do you think happens when people go hog-wild on gas buying? Does it drive prices down?

Re:CATO == dorks

[Steve B]

Ever since I heard a CATO "expert" explain that gas prices were so high because a lot of people were topping off their tanks at the gas station, I kinda take whatever they say with a grain of salt.

You slept through the Economics 101 class where they explained "supply and demand", right?

Re:Highly Misleading

[Whoozit]

Has that exception ever successfuly been used? If I remember correctly, the DeCSS case argued exactly that, that the program fell into that exception. And look what happened -- it was deemed illegal even to link to the code, much less distribute it yourself.

Possibly because if you read the wording you quote, it permits circumventions by a person who has lawfully obtained a right to the work in question. Therefore, you are right, Joe Sixpack could claim that he is fully within his right to circumvent such pr